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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3120 on: December 27, 2020, 11:53:38 pm »
Personally I think it is a combination of an unusual frame and a low pain threshold. Years ago he would have been described as all arms and legs. The most resilient players tend to be compact, flexible and have a high pain threshold.

Jocky played on for several seasons combatting excruciating pain. He had a similar build to Joel Matip. His knees were shot to bits when he won his last league titles, playing every minute of every game. 
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3121 on: December 27, 2020, 11:55:32 pm »
Now Aurelio feels neglected...

What a defence!


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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3122 on: December 28, 2020, 12:03:14 am »
What a defence!


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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3123 on: December 28, 2020, 12:15:07 am »
That wins you the Rehab Cup. Put Kewell on the wing, Sturridge uptop...

At the risk of me being totally kicked out of the Matip thread, here is my winning 11 for the Rehab Cup

          H.Kewell  D. Sturridge   
A.Lallana J. Redknapp  N.Keita J.Litmanen
F. Aurelio D.Agger J.Matip R.Jones
              C. Kirkland

Subs: A.Aquilani, A.O.Chamberlain, J. Gomez

A side so good, and everyone in this fantasy world beng so durable,  that it needs just 3 subs.
Edit: Added J. Gomez for good measure. Not sure he deserves it to be honest.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2020, 12:19:00 am by macmanamanaman »
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3124 on: December 28, 2020, 12:15:07 am »
Jocky played on for several seasons combatting excruciating pain. He had a similar build to Joel Matip. His knees were shot to bits when he won his last league titles, playing every minute of every game. 

I understand what you mean about playing through pain. Certain players can do it, certain players can't.

I know you were a massive fan of Agger like myself, however there is a lot to be said for the resilience of a Carragher even if he didn't reach the same heights.

The bit I am not sure of is the Hansen. He was like a thoroughbred race horse, Matip is like a giraffe on a skating rink.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3125 on: December 28, 2020, 12:43:49 am »
At the risk of me being totally kicked out of the Matip thread, here is my winning 11 for the Rehab Cup

          H.Kewell  D. Sturridge   
A.Lallana J. Redknapp  N.Keita J.Litmanen
F. Aurelio D.Agger J.Matip R.Jones
              C. Kirkland

Subs: A.Aquilani, A.O.Chamberlain, J. Gomez

A side so good, and everyone in this fantasy world beng so durable,  that it needs just 3 subs.
Edit: Added J. Gomez for good measure. Not sure he deserves it to be honest.

Unfair on Chamberlain. Replace with Tsimikas

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« Reply #3126 on: December 28, 2020, 12:50:01 am »
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3127 on: December 28, 2020, 12:55:24 am »
Fuckin' Hell! is Ox your new Charlie Adam Fordster?

unfair on Adam... and Chamberlain... and Fordy...
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3128 on: December 28, 2020, 01:14:28 am »
Fuckin' Hell! is Ox your new Charlie Adam Fordster?

No Ben White is.

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« Reply #3129 on: December 28, 2020, 01:29:58 am »
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3130 on: December 28, 2020, 02:36:38 pm »
I understand what you mean about playing through pain. Certain players can do it, certain players can't.

I know you were a massive fan of Agger like myself, however there is a lot to be said for the resilience of a Carragher even if he didn't reach the same heights.

The bit I am not sure of is the Hansen. He was like a thoroughbred race horse, Matip is like a giraffe on a skating rink.

All fair Al. Agger used to test my patience too, but with Agger I could tolerate anything since the alternatives weren't too great. Carra was reliable, but not good enough. Skrtel was a lamentable footballer. Therefore when Agger played it seemed like a heaven worth waiting for. With Joel it's different. We either have brilliant alternatives (VVD and Joe Gomez) or - at the moment - none at all. His frequent bouts of injury therefore either leave me indifferent or furious depending on the circumstances. He can clearly never be a first choice. But he lacks the basic fitness to be a second or third one either.
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« Reply #3131 on: December 28, 2020, 02:47:23 pm »
Is he out for the season?

Edit - Ignore this post, it’s Twitter hearsay at the minute.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3132 on: December 28, 2020, 02:49:52 pm »
An abductor injury? it doesn't take  5 months does it?  ::) ???

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3133 on: December 28, 2020, 03:09:10 pm »
2-6 weeks you would assume.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3134 on: December 28, 2020, 03:18:50 pm »
White below Kell right?  :D

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« Reply #3135 on: December 28, 2020, 03:37:26 pm »
Rolls Royce of a defender when fit, fit being the operative word. Surprising that he was given a long term contract till 2024, given his record with us.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3136 on: December 28, 2020, 03:42:30 pm »
I am not a sport scientist but wasn’t all the warm up before the start of the game supposed to reduce the risk of muscle injury?

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3137 on: December 28, 2020, 03:45:07 pm »
I am not a sport scientist but wasn’t all the warm up before the start of the game supposed to reduce ]the risk of muscle injury?

And it does.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3138 on: December 28, 2020, 04:00:23 pm »
I am not a sport scientist but wasn’t all the warm up before the start of the game supposed to reduce the risk of muscle injury?

It does, you can't eliminate injuries by warming up! Especially well Iver an hour later!

An abductor injury? it doesn't take  5 months does it?  ::) ???

Depends on the severity...seems too innocuous to be a grade 3 for me though but who knows, best to wait for official news

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« Reply #3139 on: December 28, 2020, 04:14:29 pm »
All fair Al. Agger used to test my patience too, but with Agger I could tolerate anything since the alternatives weren't too great. Carra was reliable, but not good enough. Skrtel was a lamentable footballer. Therefore when Agger played it seemed like a heaven worth waiting for. With Joel it's different. We either have brilliant alternatives (VVD and Joe Gomez) or - at the moment - none at all. His frequent bouts of injury therefore either leave me indifferent or furious depending on the circumstances. He can clearly never be a first choice. But he lacks the basic fitness to be a second or third one either.

Going a bit far to be honest. Skrtel was a pretty good player for us. A consistent player, rarely injured, and would pop up with goals from corners which made him a threat. Granted, he was a bit of an old-fashioned defender and not really a ball playing defender so not exactly easy on the eye, but you don't get 300+ games for Liverpool by being lamentable. To be honest, in the midst of our injury crisis, we could do worse than have a player like that in the squad for us through a tough period.

We are very much after the Rolls Royce defenders in the game - pacy, athletic, good on the ball, good tactical intelligence and anticipation. They are definitely hard to find in the game. Hopefully our first 3 choice defenders come back fully but to be honest I'm not holding my breath over Matip (or Joe to be honest)

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3140 on: December 28, 2020, 11:02:33 pm »
6 weeks is what’s being said on Twitter

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« Reply #3141 on: December 28, 2020, 11:04:02 pm »
6 weeks is what’s being said on Twitter
He’s not gong for a scan until tomorrow is what the journalists are saying
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3142 on: December 28, 2020, 11:32:27 pm »
He’s not gong for a scan until tomorrow is what the journalists are saying

Already had it according to the ‘insiders’.

6 weeks is what I’ve read too.
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« Reply #3143 on: December 28, 2020, 11:58:59 pm »
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« Reply #3144 on: December 29, 2020, 01:35:21 am »
We need to sign a CB, not doing so would be extremely risky given his injury history and given who we have available.


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« Reply #3145 on: December 29, 2020, 02:28:34 am »
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3146 on: December 29, 2020, 06:10:16 am »
An abductor injury? it doesn't take  5 months does it?  ::) ???

Definitely more likely an adductor than an abductor looking at where he was holding. Seems to be some.confusion in the media, most of whom don't seem to understand that these are two distinct muscle groups.
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« Reply #3147 on: December 29, 2020, 07:54:37 am »
We need to sign a CB, not doing so would be extremely risky given his injury history and given who we have available.



I would like to think the first order of business for the club in 2021 would be to sign a new centerback to partner Fab at the back.  Given the injuries we have to VVD, Gomez n Matip, we would be taking a huge risk having to depend on either Rhys Williams or Nat Philips for both the premier league and Champions games in the coming months

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« Reply #3148 on: December 29, 2020, 07:56:25 am »
We need to sign a CB, not doing so would be extremely risky given his injury history and given who we have available


To be honest, I think we need to sign 2. Joel is a really underrated and good CB, when he's fit. Unfortunately he seems to have rotten luck with injuries and it doesn't help that our fixture schedule is always very congested and the league is a demanding place physically. We're coming up through a crucial period in the season, and going into it without any recognised CB's, and just Fab, Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams as well as the able stand-ins like Gini and Hendo, will be asking for trouble in my opinion.

Part of the reason that we are an attacking force is that we have such good defenders, and we have great recovery pace and ability to defend one v one with our best players. Joel, in particular, can pick a pass (as we have seen) and also carries the ball forward particularly well too, which is a big bonus against teams that park the bus. When we lose that, we also lose a bit of dynamism in attack because players can't bomb forward as confidently as before, and we lose that additional depth in distribution from the back.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3149 on: December 29, 2020, 08:09:24 am »
Abductor? You could always risk that injury while making Close Encounters with other players.

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« Reply #3150 on: December 29, 2020, 08:16:57 am »
A centre back is a must considering our injury list. I think Rhys has done really well and Nat is promising too, however an established CB would provide experience and leadership as well as future proof the position.
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« Reply #3151 on: December 29, 2020, 11:09:29 am »
Abductor? You could always risk that injury while making Close Encounters with other players.

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« Reply #3152 on: December 29, 2020, 11:18:50 am »
Abductor? You could always risk that injury while making Close Encounters with other players.

There's only person to call when it comes to an abductor.

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« Reply #3153 on: December 29, 2020, 06:17:20 pm »
Abductor? You could always risk that injury while making Close Encounters with other players.

I am sorry but this concept is alien to me.

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« Reply #3154 on: December 29, 2020, 06:26:16 pm »
To be honest, I think we need to sign 2. Joel is a really underrated and good CB, when he's fit. Unfortunately he seems to have rotten luck with injuries and it doesn't help that our fixture schedule is always very congested and the league is a demanding place physically. We're coming up through a crucial period in the season, and going into it without any recognised CB's, and just Fab, Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams as well as the able stand-ins like Gini and Hendo, will be asking for trouble in my opinion.

Part of the reason that we are an attacking force is that we have such good defenders, and we have great recovery pace and ability to defend one v one with our best players. Joel, in particular, can pick a pass (as we have seen) and also carries the ball forward particularly well too, which is a big bonus against teams that park the bus. When we lose that, we also lose a bit of dynamism in attack because players can't bomb forward as confidently as before, and we lose that additional depth in distribution from the back.

We won't sign 2 cb in Jan. Even though we could probably do with 2. Would be a odd not to sign one. We don't have a fit senior cb.
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« Reply #3155 on: December 29, 2020, 06:51:28 pm »
We won't sign 2 cb in Jan. Even though we could probably do with 2. Would be a odd not to sign one. We don't have a fit senior cb.

They need to be good enough to play for us, but economical enough to be worth a punt.  They'd also have to be happy knowing they're a short term fix.  That's a delicate line to walk.
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« Reply #3156 on: December 29, 2020, 08:06:34 pm »
What's Steven Caulker up to these days?

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« Reply #3157 on: December 29, 2020, 08:10:32 pm »
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« Reply #3158 on: December 29, 2020, 08:43:43 pm »
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« Reply #3159 on: December 29, 2020, 08:53:00 pm »
We needed another CB pre van dijk’s injury, let alone, Gomez’s injury. A Matip injury was just a matter of time.