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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3640 on: March 11, 2019, 11:16:55 AM »
I've been as impatient as anyone with him and his fitness issues and have thought he may be finished. Despite this I was disappointed to see the comments in the pre match thread. My view is that if Klopp and his team are OK with him, then we should be too.

Having said all that, when he's involved, that's the level he needs to reach consistently. It's no good having that game and then 3 or 4 poor ones. I think the whole Lallana thing could be a massive advantage to us in the run in because it will hopefully spur the likes of Keita, Oxlade and Shaqiri to better things.

Hendo, Milner, Gini, Fabinho, Lallana, Keita, Shaqiri, Oxlade all fit and firing doesn't half give us some midfield options.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3641 on: March 11, 2019, 11:23:06 AM »
Brilliant yesterday as I fully expected him to bebwhen he was fully fit. Hes been ravaged since Bayern Munich friendly

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3642 on: March 11, 2019, 11:39:15 AM »
Brilliant yesterday as I fully expected him to bebwhen he was fully fit. Hes been ravaged since Bayern Munich friendly

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 ;D Think that's slightly overboard, he was good but brilliant is pushing it and he's in absolutely no way vital to us. Our midfield with him in it will look better than the 3 water carrier type mids we often field though.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3643 on: March 11, 2019, 11:42:25 AM »
Brilliant yesterday as I fully expected him to bebwhen he was fully fit. Hes been ravaged since Bayern Munich friendly

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If plays like that against Bayern he'd cause their defenders and midfielders no ends of problems. They'd struggle with his skill on the ball and would find to hard to play out from their back 2.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3644 on: March 11, 2019, 11:48:02 AM »
I think the whole Lallana thing could be a massive advantage to us in the run in because it will hopefully spur the likes of Keita, Oxlade and Shaqiri to better things.

I've thought this too. Yesterday was an epitome of what we want from a No.8 in this system. It was immeasurably better than what we've seen on other occasions recently.

To be fair Milner was great against Watford in a similar position and Wijnaldum did really well against Bournemouth in an attacking sense. Keita did pretty well in that game also.

It's that inconsistency of performance of that 3rd midfielder that seems our biggest midfield issue. We just need someone to step up and contribute over the next 8-9 games. That could be Lallana. It could be Milner. It could be Keita. Could even be Shaqiri. We just need one of them to hit a rich vein of form and it could be the difference maker. Be great if we saw 2 or 3 of them really step things up since it could be a defining factor in our season.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3645 on: March 11, 2019, 12:09:32 PM »
Yesterday was just a frustrating reminder of what we've been missing out on whilst he's been injured.

He was absolutely top class for us during the first half of the 16/17 season, and he can still be that player for us when he's fit. If he can stay fit now until May, it'll make a big difference to our title push, because he's a brilliant player in Klopp's preferred 4-3-3.

All of that said, he'll get injured again before too long. Sorry, but it's the same as Sturridge. He's been injured too regularly for too long now, and there's no reason to think it'll stop. Real shame for the lad, and for us.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3646 on: March 11, 2019, 12:39:22 PM »
;D Think that's slightly overboard, he was good but brilliant is pushing it and he's in absolutely no way vital to us. Our midfield with him in it will look better than the 3 water carrier type mids we often field though.

I will concede maybe he himself is t vital but the 1 in there with 2 water carriers as you say IS vital

So him or Shaqiri. God knows what Shaqiris done wrong

And well have to agree to disagree about him being brilliant yesterday. He was
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3647 on: March 11, 2019, 12:41:51 PM »
It would not surprise me if he's given a start against Bayern although that game will be a lot more intense in midfield than against Burnley.

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« Reply #3648 on: March 11, 2019, 12:51:34 PM »
It would not surprise me if he's given a start against Bayern although that game will be a lot more intense in midfield than against Burnley.
Good, we'll probably see the return of geggenpressing which I think we all noticed disappeared to an extent this season - largely due to Adam not being around to lead the hunt.

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« Reply #3649 on: March 11, 2019, 01:05:26 PM »
It would not surprise me if he's given a start against Bayern although that game will be a lot more intense in midfield than against Burnley.

It would surprise me. I'm sure he still needs to be 'cultivated' a bit given his injury record. He'll start the next league fixture I reckon. Against Bayern it may be Keita though? Give those German lads something to think about.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3650 on: March 11, 2019, 01:07:36 PM »
It would surprise me. I'm sure he still needs to be 'cultivated' a bit given his injury record. He'll start the next league fixture I reckon. Against Bayern it may be Keita though? Give those German lads something to think about.

I agree with that, I think Keita should play in this one.

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« Reply #3651 on: March 11, 2019, 01:17:51 PM »
People raving about his pressing and his technique. Both are true.

But what really stood out is his off-the-ball movement. When we were building the play, he'd drop deep to make himself available for a pass and knit the play together. When we were in the final third, he was making runs in between the lines or down the wings (he found himself on the left wing with acres of space very early on the game). Just a marvelous footballer and honestly, the reason he hasn't shone this season is he hasn't played in the midfield. He's the perfect midfielder to complement any combination of Fabinho/Gini/Hendo/Keita/Milner.

Hope to see him a lot, lot more in midfield this season. Honestly feel it'll define our title challenge as our midfield has been problematic throughout the season (despite what our league position suggests).
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3652 on: March 11, 2019, 01:34:15 PM »
If Gareth Southgate picks him for England I hope Klopp chins him next time he sees him.
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« Reply #3653 on: March 11, 2019, 01:40:45 PM »
People raving about his pressing and his technique. Both are true.

But what really stood out is his off-the-ball movement. When we were building the play, he'd drop deep to make himself available for a pass and knit the play together. When we were in the final third, he was making runs in between the lines or down the wings (he found himself on the left wing with acres of space very early on the game). Just a marvelous footballer and honestly, the reason he hasn't shone this season is he hasn't played in the midfield. He's the perfect midfielder to complement any combination of Fabinho/Gini/Hendo/Keita/Milner.

Hope to see him a lot, lot more in midfield this season. Honestly feel it'll define our title challenge as our midfield has been problematic throughout the season (despite what our league position suggests).

I hope he doesn't become "that" player who is recognised for having off the ball movement. The last one was Borini.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3654 on: March 11, 2019, 01:56:14 PM »
It would not surprise me if he's given a start against Bayern although that game will be a lot more intense in midfield than against Burnley.

He's due a goal too.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3655 on: March 11, 2019, 01:58:25 PM »
I thought Klopp's comments about how well he trained in the week to justify his selection was interesting. Bit of a message to those outside the first team perhaps - show me I can trust you, show me you can fit in when it's asked of you sort of thing.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3656 on: March 11, 2019, 02:00:51 PM »
I hope he doesn't become "that" player who is recognised for having off the ball movement. The last one was Borini.
was borne out of a game against young boys i reckon. we won 5-3

few of the goals he was running and dragging players out of the way clearing the path

only game he did it though

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3657 on: March 11, 2019, 02:28:56 PM »
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« Reply #3658 on: March 11, 2019, 02:32:05 PM »
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3659 on: March 11, 2019, 03:09:31 PM »
I hope he doesn't become "that" player who is recognised for having off the ball movement. The last one was Borini.

I'm struggling to see the comparison or concern here. Borini was a forward with the ability of a wet fart once his admittedly sharp movement had helped him receive the ball. Lallana isn't exactly Mr. Clinical in terms of goalscoring or chance creation, but we've seen more than enough of him to know he's very talented with the ball at his feet. More to the point, he doesn't *need* to be clinical if he's progressing the ball to our forwards, because unlike Borini they are reasonably clinical.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3660 on: March 11, 2019, 03:21:29 PM »
Good, we'll probably see the return of geggenpressing which I think we all noticed disappeared to an extent this season - largely due to Adam not being around to lead the hunt.
Seems to myself that klopp alters our set up or maybe just the way we play with Lallana and imo it suits us much better with the attacking talent we have plus the much improved defense


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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3661 on: March 11, 2019, 03:23:26 PM »
If Gareth Southgate picks him for England I hope Klopp chins him next time he sees him.

Lallana needs to retire from international football at this stage

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3662 on: March 11, 2019, 03:29:30 PM »
He wakes up early every morning
Just to do his hair now
Because he cares y'all

His day oh wouldn't be right
Without some keepy ups
He's always doing keepy ups

He's just like you and me
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3663 on: March 11, 2019, 03:30:24 PM »
Good, solid game. Maybe its my imagination but he appeared a lot more confident (and hence productive) after he swept the ball right before our first goal.
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« Reply #3664 on: March 11, 2019, 03:33:45 PM »
Seems to myself that klopp alters our set up or maybe just the way we play with Lallana and imo it suits us much better with the attacking talent we have plus the much improved defense


It does but in big games this season against teams that are more likely to keep it on the floor we missed having both him and Bobby making those vital ball recoveries in opposition half from which we were known to cause some real damage as it played right down to our main strengths. We could really use having both of them on the pitch vs the likes of Bayern, Chelsea and Spurs.

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« Reply #3665 on: March 11, 2019, 03:54:56 PM »
He was really impressive yesterday and I think that was down to fitness. He looked the fittest he has been in a while since he came into the team - not sure if this is his longest run without an injury this season but he looked like someone who was confident in his fitness.

A fit Lallana is definitely a bonus to the squad for these last few months.
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« Reply #3666 on: March 11, 2019, 04:14:55 PM »
He wakes up early every morning
Just to do his hair now
Because he cares y'all

His day oh wouldn't be right
Without some keepy ups
He's always doing keepy ups

He's just like you and me
But he's Jurgen's, he's Jurgen's
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« Reply #3667 on: March 11, 2019, 04:14:58 PM »
Except he didn't just work 'real hard', did he? He played well in most facets of the game, exemplified by him touching and passing the ball more than Fabinho. That's pretty rare for any of our number 8's when we use the 1-2 midfield shape.

I don't think Lallana's performance was exceptional and I also don't think we should get too carried away as, unfortunately, an injury is only around the corner with fragile players like him. That said, it was definitely the type of 8/10 playmaking performance we've been lacking the majority of this season. You can't have three midfielders who only want to recycle the ball. At some point there needs to be a player in there who demands and keeps it.

To do this down as simply 'working hard' deliberately underplays how comfortable and proficient he is on the ball, and how carefully and cleverly he uses it. It also underplays how much emphasis Klopp places on his midfielders working hard. Next time you query why Keita isn't in the side, you should bare this in mind. He was dispossessed twice and had two unsuccessful touches in 14 minutes after replacing Lallana (who had one of each in 76 minutes), and our midfield represented the Grand Canyon at times.

Wow.  Do you work for a football club?  If not then you may need to find your true calling.  Your knowledge of game state, how substitutions can affect game state and how the team overall is then affected seems unsurpassed. 

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« Reply #3668 on: March 11, 2019, 04:23:54 PM »
You're fucking bonkers PoP. And when you finally pop your clogs you'll be melted down and turned into a waxwork model of Adam Lallana Colin Pascoe's Speedos.
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« Reply #3669 on: March 11, 2019, 04:30:14 PM »
Wow.  Do you work for a football club?  If not then you may need to find your true calling.  Your knowledge of game state, how substitutions can affect game state and how the team overall is then affected seems unsurpassed.

I just watch football matches and look at stats, rather than simply doing the latter. You should try it sometime.
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« Reply #3670 on: March 11, 2019, 04:44:27 PM »
I just watch football matches and look at stats, rather than simply doing the latter. You should try it sometime.

Yeah, I'd say it's more than that.  Being able to correctly interpret after both teams make personnel changes and the game state has changed what is working and not working in all of a 15 minute span is a skill most managers would kill for.  Does Klopp correspond with you before setting the line-ups or it just substitutions?  If he's not you may want to reach out to the club as you have a one in a million type of skill at minimum.  Could certainly be worth a lot of money to another club if they're too short sighted.

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« Reply #3671 on: March 11, 2019, 04:46:49 PM »
Yeah, I'd say it's more than that.  Being able to correctly interpret after both teams make personnel changes and the game state has changed what is working and not working in all of a 15 minute span is a skill most managers would kill for. Does Klopp correspond with you before setting the line-ups or it just substitutions?  If he's not you may want to reach out to the club as you have a one in a million type of skill at minimum.  Could certainly be worth a lot of money to another club if they're too short sighted.

Most managers have that. Even at semi-pro levels. Being able to do something about it is another story, though.
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« Reply #3672 on: March 11, 2019, 04:56:06 PM »
Yeah, I'd say it's more than that.  Being able to correctly interpret after both teams make personnel changes and the game state has changed what is working and not working in all of a 15 minute span is a skill most managers would kill for.  Does Klopp correspond with you before setting the line-ups or it just substitutions?  If he's not you may want to reach out to the club as you have a one in a million type of skill at minimum.  Could certainly be worth a lot of money to another club if they're too short sighted.

I'm not quite sure why this observation has upset you so much.

Did we look more open after Lallana and Wijnaldum were subbed? My opinion is yes, absolutely.

Why?

I would suggest Fabinho being booked around 70 minutes did not help. I don't think he had his best game yesterday regardless, but obviously that limited his ability to compete man-to-man. But I'd also suggest Henderson and Keita coming onto the pitch with fresh legs and - you would assume - a mindset to impress the manager ahead of Wednesday inadvertently made us more open, too. Both put themselves about a fair bit accordingly, winning a few tackles, but I don't personally believe they were doing so in the 'right' areas as Lallana and Wijnaldum had. Henderson failed to protect Trent as well as Wijnaldum had, giving them even more joy down that side, and Keita played in his usual lackadaisical way, giving the ball away cheaply a couple of times and doing very little to protect the edge of our box when they crossed the ball from the flanks. Ultimately we were less compact.
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« Reply #3673 on: March 11, 2019, 05:11:18 PM »
Most managers have that. Even at semi-pro levels. Being able to do something about it is another story, though.

You say that yet I have seen very little evidence that managers do.  Otherwise you'd find that substitutions would be much more effective than they typically are no? 

I'm not quite sure why this observation has upset you so much.

Did we look more open after Lallana and Wijnaldum were subbed? My opinion is yes, absolutely.

Why?

I would suggest Fabinho being booked around 70 minutes did not help. I don't think he had his best game yesterday regardless, but obviously that limited his ability to compete man-to-man. But I'd also suggest Henderson and Keita coming onto the pitch with fresh legs and - you would assume - a mindset to impress the manager ahead of Wednesday inadvertently made us more open, too. Both put themselves about a fair bit accordingly, winning a few tackles, but I don't personally believe they were doing so in the 'right' areas as Lallana and Wijnaldum had. Henderson failed to protect Trent as well as Wijnaldum had, giving them even more joy down that side, and Keita played in his usual lackadaisical way, giving the ball away cheaply a couple of times and doing very little to protect the edge of our box when they crossed the ball from the flanks. Ultimately we were less compact.

You're the one responding to my comment about fan reaction as if I'm viewing it as a personal affront to Keita or something?  The fact that you then even explained why player X was worse is even weirder still.  I'm just laughing but keep writing whatever you wish.

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« Reply #3674 on: March 11, 2019, 05:16:19 PM »

You're the one responding to my comment about fan reaction as if I'm viewing it as a personal affront to Keita or something?  The fact that you then even explained why player X was worse is even weirder still.  I'm just laughing but keep writing whatever you wish.

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« Reply #3676 on: March 11, 2019, 05:22:50 PM »
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Another one billllllion dollar response.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3678 on: March 11, 2019, 06:00:13 PM »
think having him on the pitch gets the best out of Bobby too as it allows Bobby to press higher up the pitch
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« Reply #3679 on: March 11, 2019, 06:05:16 PM »
He was good, wasn't he.
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