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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3360 on: October 30, 2018, 03:52:17 PM »
This more than anything was what i was disappointed in him in the last match where he failed to be aware of the space around him, spot a good run and held on to it too long for example. In fact in contrast i think Shaqiris appreciation for space and movement around him is exceptional, often seeing a run and releasing a pass quickly to utilize the space and movement around him. This is where Lallana should be excelling in, seeing the space early and playing the pass early but more often than not he misses it, does a Cryuff turn and the opportunity is gone. Frustrating as he is a favorite of mine. Maybe he just needs to build his sharpness of body and of mind back?

I'd put it down largely to match fitness and sharpness as well. I mean, De Bruyne came on late against Spurs last night and looked distinctly un-De Bryne like.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3361 on: October 30, 2018, 04:55:51 PM »
Fitness for sure but he's been out for a while and his age will play a factor. Not sure what his contract situation is like but I would imagine if it's up in 2020, then we'd look to move him on and get some cash rather let it run down. He could also look for one last big payday (see West Ham).

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3362 on: November 6, 2018, 08:08:23 PM »
He's one of my favorite players and I feel so bad for him that these injuries look to have absolutely shattered him and it's painful watching him play now. He'll be 31 next year and sadly it looks as though we're going to have to phase him out. If we are to achieve something this season, we can't afford to have passengers in the side and/or hope to play them into form. It's a cruel world and I've no doubt he'd be starting week in week out for us if he never got injured, but such is life.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3363 on: November 6, 2018, 08:17:21 PM »
He's done, put a fork in him.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3364 on: November 6, 2018, 08:18:27 PM »
Absolute shell of himself. Makes me a little concerned for Ox whenhe comes back. Being out for such a long time, when the sport is seemingly getting faster and faster, is a harsh penalty.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3365 on: November 6, 2018, 08:19:56 PM »
He's not good enough for us anymore. He looked it at one point but we've moved up and he's probably declined due to injuries. He needs moving on and we need to sign someone better. No clinging on and on for ages like we've done with Mignolet or others, go and get someone ASAP.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3366 on: November 6, 2018, 08:26:08 PM »
Sad to see it's over for him. He could still adjust to his new fitness limitations over the next year or so to possibly provide some value at this level. But I don't want to play wait and see. Too many of our star players are in their prime years, and they shouldn't be wasted trying to carry Lallana.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3367 on: November 6, 2018, 08:37:07 PM »
He's still playing his way back from multiple injuries.  Give him a chance.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3368 on: November 6, 2018, 08:39:22 PM »
Paisley would have sold him two seasons ago.

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« Reply #3369 on: November 6, 2018, 08:40:20 PM »
Paisley would have sold him two seasons ago.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3370 on: November 6, 2018, 08:41:30 PM »
I dunno... Once Keita and Shaqiri are ready. When is he going to play? Can he convince Klopp that he can contribute better than these two? A game like this would have been ideal for him if he could boss it as those two for various reasons can't contribute to this game, but he is not ready yet and when he is, so will Keita and Shaqiri, and I am not even counting Ox yet.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3371 on: November 6, 2018, 08:44:46 PM »

Tough situation, he may need the whole season to get match fit but we could give the same opportunities to Curtis Jones, woukd rather see him developed to be honest

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3372 on: November 6, 2018, 08:45:25 PM »
he may need the whole season to get match fit

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3373 on: November 6, 2018, 08:47:26 PM »
Paisley would have sold him two seasons ago.

Nothing shameful in saying injuries have done this to him. Should have sold him in summer. He's miles away.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3374 on: November 6, 2018, 09:01:46 PM »
Just not happening for him at the moment.

Don't know the answer other than game time but can we afford to be giving it to him at the moment? He probably needs a loan but at 30 that doesn't seem likely.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3375 on: November 6, 2018, 09:08:06 PM »
Given his performances since he came back from injury, he was a very weak link to rely on in such an important game. We should be patient, and see how he does when he has had more time.

It was the wrong decision to play him today, I would have thought that Shaqiri should have played, or drop Firmino into midfield and play Sturridge up front.

I just think the rest of the midfield and full-backs (excepting Gomez in the 2nd half) were so poor anyone would have struggled. Milner, TAA, Winajldum and Robertson I thought were all awful.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3376 on: November 6, 2018, 09:24:38 PM »
Given his performances since he came back from injury, he was a very weak link to rely on in such an important game. We should be patient, and see how he does when he has had more time.

It was the wrong decision to play him today, I would have thought that Shaqiri should have played, or drop Firmino into midfield and play Sturridge up front.

I just think the rest of the midfield and full-backs (excepting Gomez in the 2nd half) were so poor anyone would have struggled. Milner, TAA, Winajldum and Robertson I thought were all awful.

Few of our players were good. We were sloppy? jaded? We are capable of much better than this. We were a bit better after half time, but by then the damage had already been done

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3377 on: November 6, 2018, 11:42:37 PM »
Well I had no problem with him playing tonight. I thought it was potentially a good move. He's a frustrating player to play against as his close control and quickness of thought makes getting the ball off him a very awkward and difficult thing. I liked the look of the midfield and I thought the plan was coming along very nicely, the game was turning, I was quite relaxed, daniel skied a biggie, no worries, a goal was coming.
Then we gave away 2 goals and that was that. In fairness Lallana, at this stage of his match fitness, would look good in a team playing well, trying to control a game and exploit space. That is not what transpired. Not his fault. We threw it away and collectively we were shit*.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3378 on: November 7, 2018, 12:05:28 AM »
Easy to say in hindsight, but Sunday was probably the game to get him more minutes in. A maximum against this lot was imperative.

Still have a lot of time for Adam and he was clearly a key cog in Klopp's machine in his early days. Have we progressed on? Time will tell but I hope he has a part to play still

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3379 on: November 7, 2018, 12:11:01 AM »
Easy to say in hindsight, but Sunday was probably the game to get him more minutes in. A maximum against this lot was imperative.

Yep.

Lallana has always battled well but given his current state of match fitness this was the wrong war to throw him into. We had a couple too many passive players for such a hostile environment to be honest.

It's too early to declare his Liverpool career over. He really struggled physically for the first 10 but after that here were still a few magic touches in the first half (including in the build up to Sturridge's sitter; different ball-game if that goes in). Not enough, but he was far from alone in that regard.

A change in shape may help him (and others) as I personally don't know if he's still got the legs to play deep in midfield when the game isn't on our terms
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3380 on: November 7, 2018, 12:19:05 AM »
Would love it if he can be sharp/match fit and be an important member of the squad but it is really cut throat and ruthless at this level.
To the poster above who said he has only performed for 6 months out of 5 years, in fairness he was also the first names on Southgates teamsheet. To touch those heights and just roll down from there because of that "England injury", guy must feel gutted.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3381 on: November 7, 2018, 12:30:14 AM »
To the poster above who said he has only performed for 6 months out of 5 years, in fairness he was also the first names on Southgates teamsheet.

It's also not true. He was hugely important throughout the Europa League run in 2015/16 for example.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3382 on: November 7, 2018, 01:57:47 AM »
Sorry to say that but Lallana career here is all but over.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3383 on: November 7, 2018, 08:21:23 AM »
He's not done. But he shouldn't have been playing in that game. Fulham on Sunday was the game to get minutes in his legs.

He needs games and minutes to come back but not in this team at this time.

I would say put him in the U23's til Christmas but the last time we did that he nearly ripped the throat off a player.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3384 on: November 7, 2018, 08:45:28 AM »
I don`t think he`ll get the playing time to get back up to the level we require of him.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3385 on: November 7, 2018, 08:49:34 AM »
He struggled, obviously. At times I thought his touch was still there (except, as usual, in the penalty area  ;D) but in terms of the pace of the game and giving the ball away, it was not good. But the worst moment was letting his man go for their first goal and assuming someone else would pick him up.

For him to remain as an option for us I think he needs, obviously, match fitness before we can really see what level he's at now. After that I think he needs to focus primarily on being a central midfielder in a supporting role, working hard on his understanding of the defensive phase and making sure that first and foremost he retains possession for us. I don't see him, at 30 with a long injury record, being a front three option now.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3386 on: November 7, 2018, 08:49:53 AM »
He looks very much out of place all over the pitch.

Klopp found him a role in midfield and he had that purple patch but I look at him now and I'm not sure what position he plays or what he's trying to do.

He's also part of that turgid midfield where for me Gini is the only one stepping up to the plate.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3387 on: November 7, 2018, 08:53:10 AM »
Still has great feet but the fact he has never been quick and coming back from a bad injury then last night was not the game for him and in hindsight knowing they would try and be aggressive in midfield then always a risk Adam is likely to be easily muscled off the ball.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3388 on: November 7, 2018, 09:39:58 AM »
He looks very much out of place all over the pitch.

Klopp found him a role in midfield and he had that purple patch but I look at him now and I'm not sure what position he plays or what he's trying to do.

He's also part of that turgid midfield where for me Gini is the only one stepping up to the plate.

That's the thing, i'm not sure what his role is in this midfield?
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3389 on: November 7, 2018, 09:42:45 AM »
That's the thing, i'm not sure what his role is in this midfield?

He changes the momentum of our play by doing cruyff turns.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3390 on: November 7, 2018, 09:44:55 AM »
He changes the momentum of our play by doing cruyff turns.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3391 on: November 7, 2018, 11:05:24 AM »
Yep.

Lallana has always battled well but given his current state of match fitness this was the wrong war to throw him into. We had a couple too many passive players for such a hostile environment to be honest.

It's too early to declare his Liverpool career over. He really struggled physically for the first 10 but after that here were still a few magic touches in the first half (including in the build up to Sturridge's sitter; different ball-game if that goes in). Not enough, but he was far from alone in that regard.

A change in shape may help him (and others) as I personally don't know if he's still got the legs to play deep in midfield when the game isn't on our terms

Can't really disagree with any of this.

I don't think his Liverpool career is over but it's becoming increasingly more difficult to see where he fits in the current set up.

He'll still get some chances though. Even as probably 5th/6th choice in midfield. Our fixture list in December will dictate that him and Fabinho get game time. Think we need to choose their games wisely though. In hindsight last night felt like a game that would have suited Fabinho and maybe Sunday would have been better for Lallana.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3392 on: November 7, 2018, 11:21:46 AM »
I just find him incredibly frustrating to watch.
While he didn't have his best game yesterday he showed flashes of the ability he has. What drives me mad is holding on for too long which slows us down, he then has this infuriating habit of rash challenges which either give away a dangerous free kick and / or earn a booking, or end up in another injury.

Off the pitch - and he's done it again today- are the confident pronouncements of what we are going to do. Just say nothing until you've delivered something.

I know lads like playing for their country, but given his injury record and how much we've paid for so little, he surely must have the awareness to knock the whole England thing on the head. It would demonstrate a bit more intent than the usual interviews.



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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3393 on: November 23, 2018, 12:54:49 PM »
Injured again.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3394 on: November 23, 2018, 01:06:02 PM »
He was probably optimistic of a start this weekend with people coming back injured/knackered from int duty but he can't even stay fit himself. Sums it up really. Got to the stage where it's pointless him being here sadly, we are getting nothing out of him. If he's not injured he's either playing crap v someone shit because he's not long back from injury so is rusty and then not trusted in bigger games because understandably he has no recent performances due to the injuries. If he was some astonishing talent like Sturridge you'd put up with it but although very good in patches he's not that special. Time to move him on.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3395 on: November 23, 2018, 01:09:49 PM »
At this stage I'd move him on and bring Wilson into the fold if he continues to impress at Derby. One of those bottom feeder teams will give us circa £20m and we can use that in other positions

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3396 on: November 23, 2018, 01:18:14 PM »
He was probably optimistic of a start this weekend with people coming back injured/knackered from int duty but he can't even stay fit himself. Sums it up really. Got to the stage where it's pointless him being here sadly, we are getting nothing out of him. If he's not injured he's either playing crap v someone shit because he's not long back from injury so is rusty and then not trusted in bigger games because understandably he has no recent performances due to the injuries. If he was some astonishing talent like Sturridge you'd put up with it but although very good in patches he's not that special. Time to move him on.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3397 on: November 23, 2018, 01:23:41 PM »
Sad stuff but he's reached Sturridge's levels of reliability but time we moved him on. His appearances this season have been below the standards he did reach but age and his injury record here are against him.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3398 on: November 23, 2018, 01:43:35 PM »
Injured again.

It's the cycle that doens't end. He's available for a week out for a month. Then he'll play bad and people say it's only his first game back. When in reality it's his last game back before being injured again.

Missed an opportunity in the summer to let him go and get someone like James Maddison. Ah well.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3399 on: November 23, 2018, 01:45:02 PM »
Frustrated for him. He just canít seem to get any injury-free run going. A really talented player prior to these injury issues, and it doesnít appear that we will be able to rely on him going forward considering his age and the nature of his problem.