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« Reply #61600 on: March 25, 2020, 07:21:35 AM »

Trump-Owned Companies Banned From Virus Aid in Stimulus Bill

(Bloomberg) -- The $2 trillion stimulus plan agreed to by White House and Senate leaders would ban any company controlled by President Donald Trump or his children from receiving loans or investments from Treasury programs.

According to a summary circulated by the office of Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, businesses owned by the president, vice president, members of Congress or heads of executive departments would be excluded from receiving that aid. The block also would also extend to companies controlled by their children, spouses or in-laws.

Trump broke with the practice of previous presidents who either divested assets that could cause conflicts of interest or put those assets in blind trusts. Instead, Trump transferred his assets to a revocable trust administered by his elder son, Donald Trump Jr., and Allen Weisselberg, the chief financial officer of the Trump Organization.
Several Trump-branded properties have been affected by the virus-induced demand crash, as well as state and local restrictions on going out in public.

The package, agreed to early Wednesday morning, would roll out billions in assistance for companies and states and cities, checks to most Americans and loans to small businesses to maintain payroll. The Senate is expected to vote later Wednesday on the measure.

Read more: White House, Senators Strike Deal on Massive Stimulus Package

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« Reply #61601 on: March 25, 2020, 07:55:48 AM »
"According to the latest Gallup poll, his approval rating has risen five points this month to 49%, the best of his presidency."

HOW?!  :wanker :no :butt

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Read the same in The Times. Absolutely mad.

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« Reply #61602 on: March 25, 2020, 09:02:44 AM »
A "Rally 'round the flag effect". Probably similar here with Boris and his chancellor overlooking their past record and the policies that have led to an under-equipped public service sector.

Even the saudis have closed their religious sites, but the religious right have been having a word in his ear. Packed churches and big social groupings so soon into the pandemic is a nightmare.

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« Reply #61603 on: March 25, 2020, 09:20:51 AM »
The Washington Post
Senate, White House reach $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout
 Erica Werner, Mike DeBonis, Paul Kane, Jeff Stein
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Senate leaders and the Trump administration reached agreement early Wednesday on a $2 trillion stimulus package to rescue the economy from the coronavirus assault, potentially setting the stage for swift passage of the massive legislation through both chambers of Congress.

“Ladies and gentlemen, we are done. We have a deal,” White House legislative affairs director Eric Ueland told reporters around 1 a.m.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) were expected to discuss the breakthrough on the Senate floor shortly, after a long day of talks with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Ueland and others.

The agreement capped five straight days of intensive negotiations that occasionally descended into partisan warfare as the nation’s economy reeled from the deadly pandemic, with schools and businesses closed, mass layoffs slamming the workforce, and tens of thousands falling ill.

The legislation, unprecedented in its size and scope, aims to flood the economy with capital by sending $1,200 checks to many Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses, and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states.

Other provisions include a massive boost to unemployment insurance, $150 billion for state and local stimulus funds and $130 billion for hospitals, among numerous other provisions.

Tuesday began with all parties predicting a deal would be imminent, along with a vote by Tuesday evening. But as the hours dragged on multiple disputes arose and legislative language required close review.

Finally, as midnight neared Tuesday, the pace of shuttle diplomacy picked up on the second floor of the Capitol, as Mnuchin, Ueland and newly named White House chief of staff Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) met alternately with McConnell and Schumer, who was in frequent contact with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

The package would extend extraordinary taxpayer assistance to potentially millions of American and companies that have been hammered by the fast-moving economic crisis. The bill is being rushed through Congress without public hearings or formal review, and it’s unclear how effective the measures would be in arresting the economy’s sudden fall.

The stock market rose sharply Tuesday in anticipation of the deal, with the Dow Jones industrial average surging more than 2,100 points, or 11.4 percent. The government is dealing with a number of competing pressures, though, as President Trump declared that he’d like much of the country to be up and running by April 12 even though the number of people testing positive for the novel virus in the U.S. continues to climb.

The Senate bill would direct payments of $1,200 to most American adults and $500 to most children, create a $500 billion lending program for companies, states, and cities, and extend an additional $367 billion to help small companies deal with payroll problems. It would bolster the unemployment insurance system and pump $150 billion into U.S. hospitals. The bill more than doubled in size in just a few days.

White House National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow called it the “single largest Main Street assistance program in the history of the United States.”

The delay in finalizing a deal came, in part, because aides launched a painstaking scrub of the bill’s text, to make sure that one of the most ambitious pieces of legislation ever attempted by Congress — thrown together in little over a week — actually said what lawmakers wanted it to say.

Senate Republicans were being extra meticulous because they felt an earlier and much smaller coronavirus relief bill, which Mnuchin negotiated in a rush with Pelosi earlier this month, turned out to have provisions related to paid sick leave that GOP senators opposed – but which they reluctantly accepted. Now, they wanted to double- and triple-check Mnuchin’s work in brokering a deal with Schumer given the enormous stakes.

As lawmakers neared a deal, the White House made a significant concession to Democrats’ demands, agreeing to allow enhanced scrutiny over the massive loan program that is a centerpiece of the Senate’s $2 trillion coronavirus economic package.

This pertains to the $500 billion loan and loan guarantee program that the Treasury Department would be tasked with administering for companies, states, and cities. Of that amount, $425 billion is supposed to go to businesses, cities and states. An additional $50 billion would go to passenger airlines, as well as $8 billion for cargo airlines, and $17 billion for firms that are deemed important to national security.

Trump has already said he wants some of the money to go to the cruise ship industry, and he also wants assistance for hotels. When he was asked Monday evening who would perform oversight of the program, Trump responded, “I’ll be the oversight.”

But during closed-door negotiations on Capitol Hill, White House officials agreed to allow an independent inspector general and an oversight board to scrutinize the lending decisions, senators said.

The most recent precedent for this is the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program that was created during the 2008 financial crisis. To oversee TARP, Congress created an independent inspector general, a regulatory oversight board and a congressional oversight panel. Over the course of several years, investigations uncovered numerous cases of fraud at large and small companies as firms sought to obtain taxpayer money through various programs.

Democrats welcomed the new oversight mechanisms.

“We got better oversight, better oversight,” Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) said as he left a Tuesday morning meeting with Schumer. “The oversight basically is saying that you know you can’t just ... exempt everybody and give all your corporate executives, based on the backs of the taxpayers, free carnival.”

Manchin has been critical of the bill being weighted more toward Wall Street than average America. Trump took a shot at the lawmaker when asked about his criticism during an interview Tuesday on Fox News.

“Does Joe Manchin want all of these, or many of these companies to go out of business? We’ll have an unemployment rate the likes of which nobody’s ever seen before,” Trump said. "We have to save these companies. These are companies that weren’t in trouble three weeks ago, and now they’re in trouble because of what happened. These are great companies, they’re in some cases triple A companies.”

On Twitter Tuesday morning, Trump called on Congress to “approve the deal, without all of the nonsense, today.”

The legislation would also significantly boost unemployment insurance, expanding eligibility and offering workers an additional $600 a week for four months, on top of what state unemployment programs pay.

Lawmakers of both parties are under extreme pressure from their constituents and health-care providers in their districts and states to act to provide desperately needed money and supplies amid widespread shortages and waves of layoffs. As of Tuesday night there were more than 55,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the United States, and the numbers were rising by the hour.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who negotiated the small business portion, said it had grown to $367 billion, with inclusion of six months of loan forbearance for all small businesses adding $17 billion to the original $350 billion price tag.

All parties would like to act swiftly, so if the Senate is able to pass a bipartisan package quickly the expectation is that the House would follow suit. House Democrats released their own larger and more generous stimulus package on Monday, stuffed with provisions that would be non-starters for Republicans such as a $15 minimum wage requirement for airlines and businesses that receive funds. But that legislation would be set aside and Pelosi would attempt to move the Senate bill through the House.

Final issues included a push by Democrats for a dramatic increase in food stamp benefits in exchange for accepting billions more in funding for the administration’s farm bailout that Republicans have included in the stimulus bill. Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.) said in a news release that the legislation would increase the amount the Department of Agriculture can spend on its bailout program from $30 billion to $50 billion.

Democrats were also seeking more money for Native American tribes. And there was dispute about whether Planned Parenthood affiliates and other non-profits offering reproductive services would be able to access the small business loans. It was not immediately clear how that issue had been resolved.

The House of Representatives is currently out of session, and it would be tricky for House members to return en masse to Washington to vote. Democratic aides said they were optimistic that a strong bipartisan Senate vote would make it possible to pass the bill by unanimous consent in the House — a process requiring only two members present in the House chamber. But that would require every lawmaker to agree — a tall order for a $2 trillion bill touching every part of the U.S. economy.

“The easiest way for us to do it is to put aside our concerns for another day and get this done," Pelosi said Tuesday on CNBC. "My goal always has been to bring this bill to the floor under unanimous consent.”

However, any lawmaker of either party could object, and in an early warning sign Tuesday, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) voiced concern about the legislation over Twitter, writing that despite “vague statements” no one had seen text of the legislation that “seems to give a *HALF TRILLION DOLLARS* away to big corporations, w/ few worker protections.”

Among House Republicans, there is similar reluctance to commit to approving a still-unseen bill, according to GOP aides familiar with internal conversations. Besides potential policy objections inherent in a $2 trillion bill, members might also resist passing a bill of that magnitude without a formal vote, the aides said — thus requiring most lawmakers to return to Washington.

If unanimous consent is not possible, aides of both parties said the most likely scenario would be a day-long vote where members would be encouraged to spread out their trips to the floor and not congregate as the vote is taken.

At least two House members and one senator have tested positive for the coronavirus, while others remained quarantined, and multiple lawmakers have voiced trepidation about returning to the Capitol.

Wednesday morning’s breakthrough on the massive legislation followed five straight days of negotiations on Capitol Hill, with a deal seemingly in reach each day only to elude completion. Tempers flared on the Senate floor Monday as senators got into a near shouting match over the delays.

Congress has already passed two much smaller coronavirus relief bills: an $8.3 billion emergency supplemental for the health-care system, and a $100-billion-plus bill to boost paid sick leave and unemployment insurance and provide free coronavirus testing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-white-house-reach-2-trillion-stimulus-deal-to-blunt-coronavirus-fallout/ar-BB11Dj7d?ocid=msedgntp
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« Reply #61604 on: March 25, 2020, 11:47:06 AM »
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1242777450662244352?s=21

The absolute irony of him calling Romney a republican in name only

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« Reply #61605 on: March 25, 2020, 12:02:23 PM »
Trump-Owned Companies Banned From Virus Aid in Stimulus Bill

(Bloomberg) -- The $2 trillion stimulus plan agreed to by White House and Senate leaders would ban any company controlled by President Donald Trump or his children from receiving loans or investments from Treasury programs.

According to a summary circulated by the office of Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, businesses owned by the president, vice president, members of Congress or heads of executive departments would be excluded from receiving that aid. The block also would also extend to companies controlled by their children, spouses or in-laws.

No fan of Chuck Schumer, but that was pretty nifty. Trump will be steaming about Crying Chuck on the ol' twitter machine when this is explained to him.
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« Reply #61606 on: March 25, 2020, 01:38:56 PM »
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« Reply #61607 on: March 25, 2020, 02:08:57 PM »
Why is he going on about being his special day? Does he get his annual fuck from Melania on Easter Sunday? Because clearly the religious stuff doesn't interest him...

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« Reply #61608 on: March 25, 2020, 02:36:39 PM »
Trumpism is a cult

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Whom do you trust for #coronavirus info:

Dems: CDC 87% Your governor 75% National media 72% Friends/family 72% Religious leaders 44% Trump 14%

Republicans: Trump 90% CDC 84% Friends/family 81% Religious leaders 71% You governor 65% National media 13%

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« Reply #61609 on: March 25, 2020, 02:50:02 PM »
Trumpism is a death cult

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Whom do you trust for #coronavirus info:

Dems: CDC 87% Your governor 75% National media 72% Friends/family 72% Religious leaders 44% Trump 14%

Republicans: Trump 90% CDC 84% Friends/family 81% Religious leaders 71% You governor 65% National media 13%

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« Reply #61610 on: March 25, 2020, 02:50:59 PM »
No fan of Chuck Schumer, but that was pretty nifty. Trump will be steaming about Crying Chuck on the ol' twitter machine when this is explained to him.

I suspected that Chuck wasn't clever enough to do this on his own. Just happy he got the best person to help him on this.

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« Reply #61611 on: March 25, 2020, 02:53:18 PM »
Trumpism is a cult

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Whom do you trust for #coronavirus info:

Republicans: Trump 90% CDC 84% Friends/family 81% Religious leaders 71% You governor 65% National media 13%

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Imagine having cancer, god forbid. "I get my advice from my mayor. He knows more about cancer than the oncologists at the hospital."

I mean, I generally liked Obama, and he was obviously a very smart man, but I'd trust the CDC regarding COVID-19 over him 100%.
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« Reply #61612 on: March 25, 2020, 02:56:51 PM »

I mean, I generally liked Obama, and he was obviously a very smart man, but I'd trust the CDC regarding COVID-19 over him 100%.

Thing about Obama is that he'd probably be telling you the advice the CDC have given rather than just his own moronic views.

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« Reply #61613 on: March 25, 2020, 03:36:08 PM »
Whats really upsetting Trump in all this, is that if anyone is looking presidential in the states right now its Andrew Cuomo.

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« Reply #61614 on: March 25, 2020, 03:52:10 PM »
Whats really upsetting Trump in all this, is that if anyone is looking presidential in the states right now its Andrew Cuomo.

He's been fantastic, my only hope in all of this.

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« Reply #61615 on: March 25, 2020, 04:01:50 PM »
He's been fantastic, my only hope in all of this.

His daily briefings have even become part of my day, very educational, even if you're not directly involved.

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« Reply #61616 on: March 25, 2020, 04:18:09 PM »
Reuters
Unprecedented $2 trillion U.S. coronavirus stimulus bill poised for Senate vote
 By David Morgan and Richard Cowan
20 mins ago


WASHINGTON — U.S. senators will vote on Wednesday on a $2 trillion bipartisan package of legislation to alleviate the devastating economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, hoping it will become law quickly.

Top aides to Republican President Donald Trump and senior Senate Republicans and Democrats said they had agreed on the unprecedented stimulus bill in the early hours of Wednesday after five days of marathon talks.

"We're going to pass this legislation later today," Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said after the deal was announced early on Wednesday.

It was unclear how quickly Congress could get the package to Trump to sign into law.

The Senate was due to convene at 12 p.m. EDT (1600 GMT), with a vote expected sometime in the afternoon. The Democratic-controlled House of Representatives is not expected to act before Thursday.

Trump supports the measure, the White House said.

"We're really looking forward to this vote today so that he can sign it into law," White House spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham said on Fox News.

The massive bill includes a $500 billion fund to help hard-hit industries and a comparable amount for direct payments of up to $3,000 apiece to millions of U.S. families.

It will also include $350 billion for small-business loans, $250 billion for expanded unemployment aid and at least $100 billion for hospitals and related health systems.

It would be the largest rescue package ever approved by Congress and the third such effort to be passed this month. The money at stake amounts to nearly half of the $4.7 trillion the U.S. government spends annually.

"We have greatly strengthened the bill and we're proud of what we've done," Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer said on CNN.

The package aims to flood the U.S. economy with cash in a bid to stem the impact of a pandemic that has killed more than 730 people in the United States and infected more than 53,650.

The governors of at least 18 states, including hard-hit New York, have issued stay-at-home directives affecting about half the U.S. population. The sweeping orders are aimed at slowing the pathogen's spread, but have upended daily life as schools and businesses shutter indefinitely.

U.S. stocks were mixed in choppy trading after a strong rebound on Tuesday and a rise in early trading on Wednesday, as optimism about the coronavirus package waned, with investors still concerned about the lasting economic hit from the pandemic.

The bill is expected to pass the Republican-led Senate easily, more so because Republican Senator Rand Paul, the only senator to vote against an earlier round of emergency virus funding, may be unable to vote after testing positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

It also must pass the Democratic-led House of Representatives. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who proposed a more far-reaching rescue package, did not say whether she would support the Senate version.

"We'll see the bill and see how the Senate votes. So there's no decision about timing until we see the bill," she told reporters.

House members left Washington 10 days ago, but the lower chamber could quickly pass the bill without requiring them to return if all members agree to do so.

If just one of the chamber's 430 current members objects, that could require them to return to Washington to vote in person at a time when several members are self-quarantining. Any changes made by the House would also require Senate approval — leading to further delays.

Trump said on Tuesday he wanted Americans to end "social distancing" restrictions intended to slow the spread of the virus and return to work by Easter, April 12.

That concerned health officials, who fear ending the lockdown too soon could bring more virus-related deaths.

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« Reply #61617 on: March 25, 2020, 04:20:37 PM »
Whats really upsetting Trump in all this, is that if anyone is looking presidential in the states right now its Andrew Cuomo.
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« Reply #61618 on: March 25, 2020, 05:04:27 PM »
According to last nights news 60% of Americans approve his handling of the virus. There's no justice when a con man gets away with incompetence mate.

Do you think sometimes people need to convince themselves their leader/HOS is doing a good job, as the alternative is too stressful?
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« Reply #61619 on: March 25, 2020, 06:35:28 PM »
Unsurprisingly this is a lie

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Just reported that the United States has done far more “testing” than any other nation, by far! In fact, over an eight day span, the United States now does more testing than what South Korea (which has been a very successful tester) does over an eight week span. Great job!

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« Reply #61620 on: March 25, 2020, 07:44:27 PM »
According to last nights news 60% of Americans approve his handling of the virus. There's no justice when a con man gets away with incompetence mate.
probably because they haven’t had death tolls in the thousands, once that happens he’s in the shit, even if he did one good thing which was block flights from China a while ago

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« Reply #61621 on: March 25, 2020, 08:38:31 PM »
Unsurprisingly this is a lie

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Ivanka's coochie waxer Just reported that the United States has done far more “testing” than any other nation, by far! In fact, over an eight day span, that's almost a week, the United States now does more testing than what South Korea (which has been a very successful tester -- all of those Asians are good in school you know) does over an eight week span in a year when there isn't a pandemic. Great job I've conned my incredibly stupid base again!
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« Reply #61622 on: March 25, 2020, 09:24:11 PM »
The Washington Post
Trump needs governors to reopen the economy. Even Republican ones aren’t on board.
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The man in charge of making that decision in Texas, though, has a very different take. As he confronts imposing even stricter measures for the Lone Star State, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) responded Tuesday to a question about Patrick’s comments.

“I will base my decision as governor of the state of Texas on what physicians say,” Abbott said. “If the goal is to get the economy going, the best thing we can do to get the economy going is to get covid-19 behind us.”

President Trump has leaned hard into the idea of reopening the economy in recent days, but as has been noted, he only has so much power to do so. It’s the governors who issue stay-at-home orders and decide what opens and what doesn’t in their states.

Few of them are echoing Trump right now, which suggests that even if Trump decides he wants to reopen things — on Tuesday, he set a target date of Easter, April 12 — he won’t be able to do it in any large measure.

Another Republican governor, Maryland’s Larry Hogan, had some choice words for Trump’s idea on Tuesday, referring to an “imaginary clock.”

“We don’t think that we’re going to be in any way ready to be out of this in five or six days, or whenever this 15 days is up from the time that they started this imaginary clock,” Hogan said on CNN. “Most people think that we’re weeks away from the peak, if not months.”

South Dakota Gov. Kristi L. Noem (R), whose state matches the description of less-affected areas that Trump has suggested could see reopenings in relatively short order, also indicated that she’s looking at a longer time frame.

“This situation is not going to be over in a week,” said Noem, whose state has just over two dozen cases. “… We have another eight weeks until we see our peak infection rate.”

She added, “Any changes we make for how we conduct our daily lives have to be sustained.”

Democrats had even more choice words for Trump’s proposal, with Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker saying Trump was “not taking into account the true damage that this will do to our country if we see truly millions of people die.” Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said Trump’s “off-the-cuff statements are really going to undermine our ability to protect people.” California Gov. Gavin Newsom said he and Trump are “clearly operating under a different set of assumptions.”

New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) said: “If you ask the American people to choose between public health and the economy, then it’s no contest. No American is going to say accelerate the economy at the cost of human life. Job one has to be save lives. That has to be the priority.”

But plenty of Republicans also made their differences rather clear.

“The truth is that protecting people and protecting the economy is not mutually exclusive,” said Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R). “In fact, one depends upon the other. The fact is we save our economy by first saving lives, and we have to do it in that order.”

DeWine added, “When people are dying, when people don’t feel safe, this economy is not coming back.”

DeWine, though, maintained that he was generally “aligned” with Trump on coronavirus, and he wasn’t the only one declining to completely distance himself from the president. Democratic Oregon Gov. Kate Brown said she felt she understood Trump’s inclination.

“I am not interested in unnecessarily closing down businesses and taking jobs if we don’t need to do that,” said Brown, who issued tough restrictions on Monday. “The goal of my executive order was to balance those competing demands. … While I don’t agree with what the president said and how he said it, I think that’s what he was trying to say.”

Brown added: “When I was on the phone with him earlier this week, he clearly said that these difficult decisions are in the hands of governors. So I would expect that it to stay that way.”

That’s the key takeaway. However much Trump wants to reopen the country, he’ll need governors to cooperate with that. The governors listed above represent five of the seven biggest states and more than 40 percent of the U.S. population, and they’re just the ones who have weighed in so far. Most of the other biggest states are also run by Democrats, who wouldn’t be as inclined to align themselves with Trump on a controversial proposal.

As president, Trump can change the federal guidance, but it’s just that: guidance. Experts say he doesn’t have many legal tools to override the precautions taken by state and local officials.

These governors also have to deal with problems on a more micro level and are more directly held responsible for what happens in their states. Any of them who would begin opening things up would put themselves in line for whatever criticism might follow from the fallout, and it would be much easier to readily quantify the effects of those decisions in their states — particularly if they can be compared with other states that took tougher stances.

If Trump truly wants to set the ball in motion on this, he’s got about 50 people he should be talking to about it. Right now, they seem pretty skeptical.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-needs-governors-to-reopen-the-economy-even-republican-ones-aren-t-on-board/ar-BB11GF6z?ocid=msedgntp
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« Reply #61623 on: March 25, 2020, 11:05:02 PM »
He’s surpassed even himself with this. He needs removing from office immediately.

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« Reply #61624 on: March 26, 2020, 12:29:56 AM »
POLITICO
Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook
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17 mins ago


The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk. But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago.

“Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.

Tom Bossert, who was formerly Trump’s homeland security adviser, expressed enthusiasm about the playbook's potential as part of the administration’s broader strategy to fight pandemics, two former officials said.

“Each section of this playbook includes specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels” within the national security apparatus, the playbook urges, repeatedly advising officials to question the numbers on viral spread, ensure appropriate diagnostic capacity and check on the U.S. stockpile of emergency resources.

The playbook also stresses the significant responsibility facing the White House to contain risks of potential pandemics, a stark contrast with the Trump administration’s delays in deploying an all-of-government response and President Donald Trump's recent signals that he might roll back public health recommendations.
               
“The U.S. government will use all powers at its disposal to prevent, slow or mitigate the spread of an emerging infectious disease threat,” according to the playbook’s built-in “assumptions” about fighting future threats. “The American public will look to the U.S. government for action when multi-state or other significant events occur.”

The guide further calls for a “unified message” on the federal response, in order to best manage the American public's questions and concerns. “Early coordination of risk communications through a single federal spokesperson is critical,” the playbook urges. However, the U.S. response to coronavirus has featured a rotating cast of spokespeople and conflicting messages; Trump already is discussing loosening government recommendations on coronavirus in order to “open” the economy by Easter, despite the objections of public health advisers.

The NSC devised the guide — officially called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents, but known colloquially as “the pandemic playbook” — across 2016. The project was driven by career civil servants as well as political appointees, aware that global leaders had initially fumbled their response to the 2014-2015 spread of Ebola and wanting to be sure that the next response to an epidemic was better handled.

The Trump administration was briefed on the playbook’s existence in 2017, said four former officials, but two cautioned that it never went through a full, National Security Council-led interagency process to be approved as Trump administration strategy. Tom Bossert, who was then Trump’s homeland security adviser, expressed enthusiasm about its potential as part of the administration’s broader strategy to fight pandemics, two former officials said.

Bossert declined to comment on any particular document, but told POLITICO that “I engaged actively with my outgoing counterpart and took seriously their transition materials and recommendations on pandemic preparedness.”

The playbook was designed “so there wasn’t piecemeal thinking when trying to fight the next public health battle,” said one former official who contributed to the playbook, warning that “the fog of war” can lead to gaps in strategies.

“These are recommended discussions to be having on all levels, to ensure that there’s a structure to make decisions in real-time,” said a second former official.

An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.

Trump has claimed that his administration could not have foreseen the coronavirus pandemic, which has spread to all 50 states and more than 180 nations, sickening more than 460,000 people around the world. “Nobody ever expected a thing like this,” Trump said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.

But Trump’s aides were told to expect a potential pandemic, ranging from a tabletop exercise that the outgoing Obama administration prepared for the president’s incoming aides to a “Crimson Contagion” scenario that health officials undertook just last year and modeled out potential risks of a global infectious disease threat. Trump’s deputies also have said that their coronavirus response relies on a federal playbook, specifically referring to a strategy laid out by the Centers for Disease Control.

It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.

The document rested with NSC officials who dealt with medical preparedness and biodefense in the global health security directorate, which the Trump administration disbanded in 2018, four former officials said. The document was originally overseen by Beth Cameron, a former civil servant who led the directorate before leaving the White House in March 2017. Cameron confirmed to POLITICO that the directorate created a playbook for NSC staff intended to help officials confront a range of potential biological threats.

But under the Trump administration, “it just sat as a document that people worked on that was thrown onto a shelf,” said one former U.S. official, who served in both the Obama and Trump administrations. “It’s hard to tell how much senior leaders at agencies were even aware that this existed” or thought it was just another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy.

The NSC playbook would have been especially useful in helping to drive the administration’s response to coronavirus, given that it was intended to guide urgent decisions and coordinate the all-of-government approach that Trump so far has struggled to muster, said people familiar with the document.

The color-coded playbook contains different sections based on the relative risk — green for normal operations, yellow for elevated threat, orange for credible threat and red once a public health emergency is declared — and details the potential roles of dozens of departments and agencies, from key players like the Health and Human Services department to the Department of Transportation and the FBI. It also includes sample documents intended to be used at coordinating meetings.

“While each emerging infectious disease threat will present itself in a unique way, a consistent, capabilities-based approach to addressing these threats will allow for faster decisions with more targeted expert subject matter input from federal departments and agencies,” the playbook reads.

The playbook lays out different strategies for policymakers based on the severity of the crisis and shares lessons gleaned from past outbreaks. For instance, one section is devoted to addressing 34 “key questions” and 21 “key decisions” as soon as there is a “credible threat” — which in the case of coronavirus would have been early-to-mid January, as it raged in China and as the first U.S. case was detected on Jan. 20 — and calls on officials to move quickly.

“We recommend early budget and financial analysis of various response scenarios and an early decision to request supplemental funding from Congress, if needed,” the guide urges. But the Trump administration waited more than a month to ask for emergency funding after the timeline laid out in the playbook.

The playbook also repeatedly urges officials to question official numbers about the viral spread. “What is our level of confidence on the case detection rate?” reads one question. “Is diagnostic capacity keeping up?” But across January and much of February, Trump administration officials publicly insisted that their diagnostic efforts were sufficient to detect coronavirus. Officials now privately concede that the administration’s well-documented testing problems have contributed to the outbreak’s silent spread across the United States, and health experts say that diagnostic capacity is only now in late March catching up to the need.

In a subsequent section, the playbook details steps to take if there’s evidence that the virus is spreading among humans, which the World Health Organization concluded by Jan. 22, or the U.S. government declared a public health emergency, which HHS Secretary Alex Azar did on Jan. 31.

Under that timeline, the federal government by late January should have been taking a lead role in “coordination of workforce protection activities including… [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment.” Those efforts are only now getting underway, health workers and doctors say.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-team-failed-to-follow-nsc-s-pandemic-playbook/ar-BB11IjMW?ocid=msedgntp
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« Reply #61625 on: March 26, 2020, 02:33:25 AM »
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Donald Trump isn’t much of a doctor or scientist. He isn’t much of a diplomat or general. His leadership skills match his business skills. There’s a reason his companies went bankrupt so many times.

But he might just be a pioneer with this idea of letting people die for the sake of the country. Only a once-in-a-century leader has the guts to say out loud what the worst among us are really thinking: everyone other than me is expendable.
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Being a fundamentally religious man, albeit one with a love of paying off porn stars, Trump has a full resurrection in mind for the country in all of two weeks. “I would love to have it open by Easter,” he told the normally diligent hoax-busters at Fox News. “I will, I will tell you that right now. I would love to have that. It’s such an important day for other reasons, but I’ll make it an important day for this too.”

Pray tell: what are those other reasons that Easter is important? Perhaps if we could discuss those reasons, you might rethink this one. It seems – how to put this diplomatically? – a little perverse to kill large swaths of the population to celebrate Jesus Christ rising from the dead. The White House comms team might think it’s confusing to mix one message of rebirth with another about mass death.
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« Reply #61626 on: March 26, 2020, 08:06:29 AM »
Trump knows US won’t be over this by April but he also knows the economy is tanking. In future when he’s blamed for the economy he’ll claim he tried to reopen at Easter but (insert enemy of the week) wouldn’t allow it. Had they opened at Easter the economy would’ve been tremendous.

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« Reply #61627 on: March 26, 2020, 08:36:28 AM »
Trump knows US won’t be over this by April but he also knows the economy is tanking. In future when he’s blamed for the economy he’ll claim he tried to reopen at Easter but (insert enemy of the week) wouldn’t allow it. Had they opened at Easter the economy would’ve been tremendous.

He'll blame Jesus for dying.

"we were doing tremendous folks, a great jab, I love easter, everyone loves easter, Jesus didn't have to die when everyone was having a great time, very selfish folks, baad"

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« Reply #61628 on: March 26, 2020, 09:13:15 AM »
 
   :rant

Rapaport bringing the fire after this tweet.

Trump:   "The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP.  We will be stronger than ever before!"

https://www.twitter.com/MichaelRapaport/status/1242931495460671489

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« Reply #61629 on: March 26, 2020, 09:34:00 AM »
"we were doing tremendous folks, a great job, I love easter, everyone loves easter, Jesus didn't have to die when everyone was having a great time, very selfish folks, baad"

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« Reply #61630 on: March 26, 2020, 09:37:39 AM »
NBC News
Americans don't know what to do about coronavirus. Neither does the president.
 Jonathan Allen
3 hrs ago


Trump: 'Certain people' want virus to hurt economy (Democrats hate America?)

President Donald Trump has told Americans that he's taking bold moves to fight the coronavirus crisis , but his actions and messages have been muddled by uncertainty about public health, the economy and politics.

All across the globe, regardless of the form of government or political ideology, foreign leaders are issuing edicts to shut down society to slow the spread of the deadly disease. Governors and mayors are doing the same, heeding the warnings of epidemiologists who say there's no way of telling when it will be safe for people to congregate. And most of Congress is expected to flee Washington for weeks — available to return when needed — if an emergency $2 trillion rescue bill is sent to Trump in the next few days.

But the president, the leader of the free world, is acting as if he's smarter than the rest of them — suggesting that he can save lives and salvage fortunes by encouraging America to get back to work sooner rather than later. He's even chosen a day with great symbolic but little scientific value as his target for people to congregate again: Easter Sunday, April 12.

"President Trump is balancing two huge responsibilities — to safeguard the physical and the economic health of the country," said Boris Epshteyn, a member of the Trump 2020 advisory board and former special assistant to the president. "It is vital for Americans to remain healthy and safe while it is also critical for the American economy to not be crippled by the fight against the coronavirus, which we will win."

Many of Trump's allies and critics see a commander-in-chief who is actually torn by competing instincts, advice and political pressures, which helps explain why he is delivering confusing messages to the American public while using only some of the powers available to him to fight the spread of the disease. Trump, who has seen his approval numbers rise during the crisis, will ultimately be judged by the outcomes for public health and the economy come November's election.

The Gallup polling organization concluded the boost in Trump's favorability among independents and Democrats suggests a "rally effect" in recent weeks.

"Historically, presidential job approval has increased when the nation is under threat," Jeffrey M. Jones wrote on Gallup's website. Those gains do not always last long — George H.W. Bush saw approval around the 90 percent mark during the first Iraq War before he lost re-election — and they have tended to show much smaller swings in the recent era of partisan polarization.

Health experts in the Trump administration have said that failing to slow the virus would have catastrophic consequences both in terms of deaths and in the resulting economic calamity. Until recently, Trump was listening to them enough that he said on March 16 that his focus was on "this virus problem" because "everything else is going to fall into place" once the public health crisis is dealt with.

Since Trump hasn't actually ordered anyone to stay at home or frozen economic activity, it's not clear that word from him would encourage Americans to leave their houses or force state, local and business officials to lift bans on gatherings. Moreover, some warn that the economy could be harmed even more if the president calls for the resumption of normal activities and the health crisis gets worse as a result.

On Tuesday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, followed up Trump's talk about an Easter timeline by noting that "no one is going to want to tone down things" when they see how badly New York and other cities are being overwhelmed by the disease.

"Trump needs to resist the urge to listen to economists until we have defeated the virus," said Dan Eberhart, a major Republican donor and CEO of Canary, an oilfield services company. "If Trump tries to restart the economy too soon and the pandemic continues to spread, that will be his legacy and it will be a legacy of failure."

Eberhart supports Trump and believes the president should listen to medical professionals now and economists later.

There will be plenty of time for political considerations, said Chris Kofinis, a Democratic strategist, who warned that efforts by partisans to turn Trump's handling of the crisis to his benefit or detriment are risky.

"The reality here is that voters are paralyzed by a crisis defined by two powerful fears: the fear of a worsening pandemic and fear of a coming depression," Kofinis said. "President Trump and Democrats should be extremely careful about trivializing either fear or trying to exploit either one for political gain." He added that few Americans care about partisan politics at the moment.

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, has been countering the president in interviews from the basement of his home while political action committees that support him are attacking Trump in ads.

And Jim Messina, who ran President Barack Obama's 2012 re-election campaign, told MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports" on Wednesday that Trump's various remarks over the course of the crisis lend themselves to political ads that will be "very difficult for him to rebut in the fall of this year."

No one is in a more precarious political position than the president, who wavers between appealing to a Republican base that is increasingly pushing him to put economic considerations ahead of slowing the spread of the virus and bowing to the reality that the disease is a growing threat.

When Trump is riffing in front of a microphone, he is often pitting Americans against each other along political, ideological and geographical grounds — picking winners and losers, casting blame and patting himself on the back for winning a "war" against a virus that doesn't respond nearly as much to unpredictability in strategy and tactics as his language might imply.

Behind the scenes, members of his administration are working to deliver resources to states, negotiating a rescue package with Democrats in Congress and listening closely to scientists on how to handle the public health part of the pandemic. At the same time, those efforts have been constrained by Trump's reluctance to deploy the full power of the federal government to allocate medical supplies to states and to force private companies to replenish them.

Vice President Mike Pence has hinted at the ideological underpinning of the administration's decision not to invoke the Defense Production Act to do more to manage the crisis, leaving more responsibility and accountability at the state and local level.

"It’s extremely important that the American people recognize that one of the things that makes America different is that we have a system of federalism," Pence said Sunday .

"We want states to be able to manage the unique circumstances in their states," he said.

Governors, particularly Andrew Cuomo of New York, have said that the help isn't coming fast enough from the federal government.

What may be coming too fast are the twists, turns and lurches in Trump's thinking fucked-up brain.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/americans-don-t-know-what-to-do-about-coronavirus-neither-does-the-president/ar-BB11HK08?ocid=msedgntp
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« Reply #61631 on: March 26, 2020, 10:57:52 AM »
He'll blame Jesus for dying.

"we were doing tremendous folks, a great jab, I love easter, everyone loves easter, Jesus didn't have to die when everyone was having a great time, very selfish folks, baad"
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   :rant

Rapaport bringing the fire after this tweet.

Trump:   "The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP.  We will be stronger than ever before!"

https://www.twitter.com/MichaelRapaport/status/1242931495460671489

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« Reply #61632 on: March 26, 2020, 11:24:52 AM »
Trump knows US won’t be over this by April but he also knows the economy is tanking. In future when he’s blamed for the economy he’ll claim he tried to reopen at Easter but (insert enemy of the week) wouldn’t allow it. Had they opened at Easter the economy would’ve been tremendous.

The Democrats won't let people go to church! And on one of the 2 holy days that part-time Christians go!
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« Reply #61633 on: March 26, 2020, 11:45:56 AM »
Here's the MAGA agenda:

1. Let some people die - it's ok
2. Listen to Trump over the scientists and doctors...and your own fucking eyes.
3. Blame Pelosi for inserting oversight into the emergency relief
4. Ignore the Senate delay in passing the bill
5. Blame everyone else for the economy
6. Call it a hoax/not as bad as it could be/etc.

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« Reply #61634 on: March 26, 2020, 12:02:58 PM »
I'm still half expecting him to veto the bill because his own businesses aren't included.
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« Reply #61635 on: March 26, 2020, 02:10:33 PM »
I'm still half expecting him to veto the bill because his own businesses aren't included.
You might well be right about that. If he cannot benefit, his businesses might as well stay open. This could be thing which finally splits the GOP down the middle (when its supporters reap what they have sown).

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« Reply #61636 on: March 26, 2020, 02:35:48 PM »
You might well be right about that. If he cannot benefit, his businesses might as well stay open. This could be thing which finally splits the GOP down the middle (when its supporters reap what they have sown).
i am looking forward to fox getting joe exotic on to defend trump vetoing the deal because him and his families business interests won’t be covered

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« Reply #61637 on: March 26, 2020, 04:21:27 PM »
I don't want to get ahead of myself here in the UK, but our outlook has improved slightly in the last day or so. I'm hoping that continues so we can get more media focus here on what Trump is doing.

But here is my worry. The modern, post-Brexit, post-Trump world is so callous and unfeeling that I genuinely do think that all Trump supporters wouldn't care if >500k people died over there so long as the DOW got back to even by Christmas. I genuinely believe that. Most Trump supporters either don't know whats happening, or don't care so long as it doesn't affect them personally. It might take something catastrophic like the way this epidemic could pan out over there to put an end to that.

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« Reply #61638 on: March 26, 2020, 05:00:29 PM »
Trump's job is to make as many Yanks happy as he can.

Choosing between 5-10% collateral damage vs the economy/his re-election is a no brainer to him.
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« Reply #61639 on: March 26, 2020, 05:20:48 PM »
Trump's job is to make as many Yanks happy as he can.

Choosing between 5-10% collateral damage vs the economy/his re-election is a no brainer to him.

While I have mentioned hundreds of times that I think Trump is an idiot, we have to factor in that he, just like any leader of a nation, needs to consider lots of things. You mention the economy vs lives and it's a real situation. But it's not an easy call.

Everyone can try it. What if someone gave you the numbers and said either you close the country, we limit it to 5k people that die from the virus, but we get 30% unemployment, or we have 50k dead and unemployment is 5%. Basically, how many dead vs how big unemployment do you accept? It's not an easy call to make. Whatever you choose you will be burned alive by the media. I can't stand Trump, but the decision is not simple.

In the case of Trump, I think his actions have been terrible. He doesn't treat the situation with the respect it deserves. That makes him look incompetent. He can play this kind of game with other topics, but not this one. I'm surprised he hasn't realised it yet as it may well be what brings him down.

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