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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #800 on: June 4, 2015, 10:47:03 AM »
Do we honestly think things are suddenly going to change next season without actual change? What football knowledge/Experience do those conducting these reviews have?



I agree with you. We need to know what the plan and the strategy is. One is certain, the owners need more senior football figures at the club, above the head coach level.

Personally, I will judge them based on what is happening with a Sporting Director appointment, and then after that the crucial transfers. I expect us to push hard for a top centre forward and another top class midfield, especially if Sterling is sold.




I support the manager and the club. But it is clear the LFC requires a much higher level of performance than what we saw last season, we must be ruthless to achieve this.
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #801 on: June 4, 2015, 10:47:35 AM »
'Dead man Walking'
There is absolutely no chance of Rodgers succeeding this next season. The current squad is not up to it and there is no prospect of enough quality signings to make the difference. Not sure where FSG are coming from, what their expectations are? It appears that their number one priority is financial stability and caution, as that can be the only explanation for persisting with the current set-up.
It is obvious to most that we do not have a team that is capable of competing with the top half dozen in the Premier League let alone with the better teams in Europe.
My guess is that FSG are persisting with Rodgers and Ayre while the balance sheet shows a profit to give them some time to concentrate on paying for the initial ground expansion. They are gambling that our reputational decline will will not be too great before they can release expenditure on the team.
Rodgers can take the flack for a season, then he can be sacked at little additional cost, releasing funds for a new manager and some new players.
Ayre will be moved on as soon as a negative imbalance appears in the club finances.

Look at Arsenal.  Making financial stability a priority has helped them in the long-run.  They have a set-up that should serve them well for a long time.   Blackburn chased a short-term goal, and look at them now. 

I stopped reading here, as your argument collapses immediately.  We finished 6th. 
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #802 on: June 4, 2015, 10:55:27 AM »
We finished 6th? That is the top half dozen. 2 reasons we finished 6th. Our best goalscorer was out for most of the season. And the players couldn't be arsed after 22nd March. This squad is very capable of finishing top 4.

With respect, every one of your points is hardly justification for the club.

Have our standards fallen so much that finishing 6th is now acceptable?!

The main reason why we finished 6th is because the manager and the transfer committee totally failed to replace the best goalscorer we had despite losing him and despite the 2nd highest transfer fee ever from the premier league, and failed to provide an alternative to our second best goalscorer who had already shown himself to be injury-prone.  All very foreseeable and preventable. Which means that the judgement of the manager and the transfer committee are questionable, at best, and inexcusably incompetent at worst. The same manager is now expected to lead us back to the CL qualification zone without the benefit of the CL qualification and having wasted more than 100M on unsuitable and inadequate players. Possibly with the same committee still installed.

Another germane question is why wasn't the squad bothered to fight for top 4 qualification when it was still possible? Instead they folded and imploded and seemed to give up. Why was the manager unable to motivate his team? Has the squad lost confidence in him? Is there discord? If this squad is well capable of top 4 then why did they fail in such spectacular fashion to the extent of being thrashed by Stoke City 1-6 in the last season game?!

The club and the squad are in a total diabolical mess and FSG really should be worried for next season if the issues are not resolved.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #803 on: June 4, 2015, 11:08:42 AM »
For those still in mourning after the 6-1 and other disasters, here's a crumb of comfort, a somewhat twisted and perverse crumb admittedly, but a crumb all the same. Remember how bad you felt this time last year? It can't be as bad as THAT feeling, surely?

Gutted as the next person with how it all went and yes another mind-bending goal-fest roller-coaster of a season would have been preferable to the shite-good-shite sandwich we had to swallow. BUT, despite all that, at least I'm not going to boot the neighbours cat, smash a few plates and headbutt the wall at the merest mention of the word "football" this June. Unlike last June.

A silver lining, no? Just me then.

p.s. just checked my final points tally on the fantasy footy and the current league table was alongside my team as usual......and we're level on points with Chelsea, Arsenal & Man City again! Chin up. Anything can happen in the remaining 38 games.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #804 on: June 4, 2015, 11:13:57 AM »
With respect, every one of your points is hardly justification for the club.

Have our standards fallen so much that finishing 6th is now acceptable?!

The main reason why we finished 6th is because the manager and the transfer committee totally failed to replace the best goalscorer we had despite losing him and despite the 2nd highest transfer fee ever from the premier league, and failed to provide an alternative to our second best goalscorer who had already shown himself to be injury-prone.  All very foreseeable and preventable. Which means that the judgement of the manager and the transfer committee are questionable, at best, and inexcusably incompetent at worst. The same manager is now expected to lead us back to the CL qualification zone without the benefit of the CL qualification and having wasted more than 100M on unsuitable and inadequate players. Possibly with the same committee still installed.

Another germane question is why wasn't the squad bothered to fight for top 4 qualification when it was still possible? Instead they folded and imploded and seemed to give up. Why was the manager unable to motivate his team? Has the squad lost confidence in him? Is there discord? If this squad is well capable of top 4 then why did they fail in such spectacular fashion to the extent of being thrashed by Stoke City 1-6 in the last season game?!

The club and the squad are in a total diabolical mess and FSG really should be worried for next season if the issues are not resolved.

This is my concern. I think Rodgers will have lost the trust of the players. The results after the united game were just symptomatic of a team that had given up.

I see no renewed hope from the transfer window either. It's going to take a herculean effort from Rodgers to turn all this around.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #805 on: June 4, 2015, 11:22:44 AM »
Again mate, I won`t labour the point now because I`m probably getting boring but if you think there`s no deeply self obsessed fans out there in amongst us who see life that way then we can agree to disagree.

Most of those people will be thinking that it is unlikely that rodgers WILL prove them wrong. So even as we top the league in December those fans will be expecting a turn round in fortunes. So they will cheer every goal and celebrate every win whilst waiting for the fail. They won't change and won't impact anything so why worry about them. The same can be said of those fans who are just incredibly upbeat and congratulatory about everything (beyond being supportive and wanting things to turn out well, these fans can turn a run of defeats into a masterplan to lower expectations and take the rset of the league by surprise!!)

I would be surprised if rodgers does not see out the season. Regardless of some sentiments this is rodgers' 3rd season in charge, we all expected some judgement on progress at this point, but in context with a 5 year plan. We don't know where we are expected to be for fsg to be satisfied after 5 years, but progress is rarely linear. 2013/14 would not raise expectations with the owners too much. And a bad season has totally balanced that out and i reckon rodgers WILL be judged at the end of the coming season. The targets should be clear to everyone, so i think everyone knows what is expected. The comments about improvements mean little outside the review. Nothing appears to have changed structurally but i would expect clarity at all levels.
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #806 on: June 4, 2015, 11:27:25 AM »
Probably the correct decision. However, I don't want to go about stating the obvious of what's required of him. He needs immediate improvement, starting from where he fucked it up last summer: the transfer window.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #807 on: June 4, 2015, 11:40:15 AM »

Yes.  Look at what the country has voted for lately:  the end of the Human Rights Act, NHS privatisation, massive cuts in public services, demonisation of the poor/disabled/addicted, etc, and all for low taxes.  It's the age of the narcissist, the me-me-me generation.   I'm not surprised about the change in fanbase.  It would be more surprising if we still had a socialist, pragmatic and autodidactic fanbase.  It's reflected in society and, unfortunately, football fans.   

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #808 on: June 4, 2015, 11:53:25 AM »
The owners don't pick the players. They have spent money, loads of it. So any criticism of them not spending money, or "they're only trying to make money to sell us for profit" is nonsense.
I never tried to intimate anything like that. Everything we earn they put right back into the squad nobody can deny that.

Thing is , people need to discern from investing in your striker department on one side and investing in the rest of the team on the other side. We learned a very harsh lesson this season which is that your forwards define your season. And they have allowed our manager to start with two of them that he didn`t want, one that was bought for the bench and an injury prone one.

What we invested in the rest of the team is somewhat irrelevant as they are not the difference makers - our 4 strikers that scored 8 goals are - though this time they made the negative kind of a difference. When you`re selling someone like Suarez and you`re negotiating with the same people who have Alexis you need to move heaven and earth , do whatever it takes to at least get Alexis even if it means threatening not to release Suarez till the last day of the window or whatever.

I never felt they went that extra yard to get that top class striker we so vitally needed. Instead when they bought Mario and forced him on BR they were briefing info along the lines of `he`s only 16m it`s a good gamble to have`. They should have done considerably more to deliver where it truly matters which is the striker department - Wenger gets Alexis, Mourinho gets Costa and who does Lfc manager get? A striker who scores 1 goal the entire season. If you can`t buy a top class striker then don`t sell the one you already have.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #809 on: June 4, 2015, 12:10:35 PM »
You [Timbo] have been on this for 9 months now and I've been right behind you every step of the way. I would be lying if I said I had no new-found doubts about Brendan after the past several months, but there's also no need for me to add my 2 pence to the cacophony on that score.

Looking at that team that drunkenly stumbled into sixth place and trying to evaluate much of anything is a fool's errand. It was a patchwork of pieces stitched together, taken out, and stitched into a different pattern again and again - all the while missing a third of the picture. We had no functioning strikers to call on. None. That's not a football team - that's, at best, 10/11ths of a football team. In short, a miasma.

For those who say he should have used Balotelli and Borini more, I can only say this: the good lord only gave you the two eyes (with a possible third eye whose mystic properties will do sweet fuck all for your considerations on football). If you can't see what those two lack on every single level by any reasonable criteria, you are doing your sense of sight a sore disservice. One of them has a workrate that grandfathers would mock - the other runs around as if he's in a track and field squad, having seemingly forgotten the need to get on the actual ball at any point.

This season was all about last summer. I didn't see how badly we fucked up at the time - I was full of pie-eyed excitement over most of the signings (bar Balo, whose capture I was never in favour of). More fool me, but it's neither the first nor the last time I'll be completely wrong about something. We can't truly evaluate this season because we weren't playing with a full deck, literally and figuratively. We can't afford to do that again.


So this particular thread is on its 21st page and the foregoing post is the only one thatís actually reflected fully upon what's happened this past season in context with the two seasons prior. Moreover, itís one of scarcely a handful that have not allowed perspective to be jaundiced by an underlying, at best distrusting at worst poisonous, agenda against the manager.

Note particularly the wisdom and insightfulness that leaps out of the highlighted paragraph. Compare it to the agenda driven content in so many of the posts in this thread which completely blank out the pivotal reality of last season's debacle in order to use the overriding failure of the season and in particular the rear end collapse as a massive stick with which to beat the manager.

There can be no doubts as to the obvious shortcomings in the managerís own performance levels but the degree of their impact on the overall debacle of the season is inestimably overstated by all who seek as if on some crusade to hold him totally accountable.

At the heart of it all lies the shameful fact that we were a team without an attack and such a team is not a team at all, no matter who the manager may be, no matter what errors of judgement or strokes of inventive genius that manager might happen to make

But what a fucking sorry state we're in supporter-wise if we have a huge swathe of our fan base who either cannot see or refuse to admit to this reality. The barrage of frustration in this thread ignoring the underlying reality is an embarrassment..

Folks these days may well have their libraries of statistical references but my god so many of them cannot actually bring to bear the remotest rationale, reflection and insight to accompany such reference.

And so it goes on and on. People actually attempting to convince themselves and others of the legitimacy of their judgement on Rodgers culpability and unsuitability when all along staring them full in the face is the risible entire season long fiasco of witnessing a team without a striker/attacking outlet worthy of the name.

I fucking weep for our club if such meagre and skewed thinking calibre of fan represents its future.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #810 on: June 4, 2015, 12:24:05 PM »
This squad is very capable of finishing top 4.
Some people are in for a massive shock.
nor will we plumb the lows of last season.
That run we went on after January...I don't seeing us doing that again any time soon. I've got a feeling last season might just be the hors d'oeuvres. I think people are underestimating some of the clubs we'll be competing with next season.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #811 on: June 4, 2015, 12:28:42 PM »
Some people are in for a massive shock.That run we went on after January...I don't seeing us doing that again any time soon. I've got a feeling last season might just be the hors d'oeuvres. I think people are underestimating some of the clubs we'll be competing with next season.

I'm not convinced we'll be challenging for a top four finish with the squad we have or the signings we've been linked with myself mate.

Saying that, I was convinced we'd comfortably finish in the top four with the signings we made last summer. So what the the fuck do I know eh? :D

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #812 on: June 4, 2015, 12:32:13 PM »
Some people are in for a massive shock.That run we went on after January...I don't seeing us doing that again any time soon. I've got a feeling last season might just be the hors d'oeuvres. I think people are underestimating some of the clubs we'll be competing with next season.

And that's the exact reason I'd not be telling Brendan it's top4 or you're sacked.

I'd be telling him 72 points is the minimum acceptable. And an amount we should be getting every season.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #813 on: June 4, 2015, 12:38:26 PM »
Every fellow fan I've spoken to about whether they're happy or not with Rodgers being kept on has (to generalise) pulled a face and said "Not sure"

This is exactly my thought, too.

I think he has potentially the ability to craft another 2013/14 - but then I look at the way he's persisted in playing certain players out of position where it's obvious to all that they're so not suited. I look at how it appears stubbornness that sees him freeze players out of the team, sometimes for no discernible reason. I recall how he stumbled on the 3-at-the-back formation and, at the first sign of it being countered (by Arsenal), tore the whole formation up instead of adjusting it.

I'm far from convinced he's the best option - but I'm equally fearful of changing & getting something worse.


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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #814 on: June 4, 2015, 12:43:30 PM »
Only the word of my source who has been right on everything he has told me from someone in the club. Klopp is defo taking a break but we were right in for him and contacted Carlo the eyebrow too.

Klopp? Carlo? Interesting. Our people have at least managed to put together a good list.

But if we've been in touch with them, it only highlights just how important it is for us to support Rodgers now. Give him what he needs. Because it appears we're tempted to look elsewhere.

I know I've often said that we should scout managers in advance. We should. It shouldn't be a blank piece of paper, with us wondering what to do, if/when we change managers. We need to know what we want. But we also need to support the one we have and decide which way we go. When we hired Rodgers, we had a beauty parade and decided he was the man. That wasn't very good. It made us look undecisive and it was hard to say "he's the best, we only wanted him" afterwards. If/As we've contacted Klopp and Carlo, it's a similar situation now. They were not available, so we'll stick with Rodgers, that's not very convincing support. We need to bury this quickly now and show that we intend to support Rodgers.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #815 on: June 4, 2015, 01:05:53 PM »
Some people are in for a massive shock.That run we went on after January...I don't seeing us doing that again any time soon. I've got a feeling last season might just be the hors d'oeuvres. I think people are underestimating some of the clubs we'll be competing with next season.

Maybe but i doubt it'll be that interesting
Given how bad things were for the well documented reasons and we finished 6th I just don't see anyway we don't finish 5th ...exactly 5th
It's extremely hard for us to break into the top 4 - they'll all have stronger squads than us. And it's almost equally hard for any of the other teams to finish above us again.
so there we are... 5th. Somewhere between 63-67 points.
Think I'll go and put a large bet on it now and then not bother watching the season....

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #816 on: June 4, 2015, 01:24:52 PM »
We do know that Rodgers ran out of ideas towards the end - as did the team inevitably. He spoke too much and to date hasn't shown himself capable of managing simultaneous respectable European and League campaigns (probably my biggest criticism of him).

That said, the club made such an unholy balls of recruitment last season, it's hard to apportion blame properly.
Worse again was that even when it became clear that we only had one brittle striker, no other was purchased. The It just might work defence was used - as it was to hire Staunton as the Irish manager, to bring Walcott to a world cup in utero etc.

Yes there were some dodgy tactical decisions and mistakes made on the pitch, attempts at alchemy which resulted in molten shite.... but given that the tools were wrong in the first place, the only conclusion we can draw from that is that Rodgers isn't an alchemist.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #817 on: June 4, 2015, 01:31:43 PM »
'Dead man Walking'
There is absolutely no chance of Rodgers succeeding this next season. The current squad is not up to it and there is no prospect of enough quality signings to make the difference. Not sure where FSG are coming from, what their expectations are? It appears that their number one priority is financial stability and caution, as that can be the only explanation for persisting with the current set-up.
It is obvious to most that we do not have a team that is capable of competing with the top half dozen in the Premier League let alone with the better teams in Europe.
My guess is that FSG are persisting with Rodgers and Ayre while the balance sheet shows a profit to give them some time to concentrate on paying for the initial ground expansion. They are gambling that our reputational decline will will not be too great before they can release expenditure on the team.
Rodgers can take the flack for a season, then he can be sacked at little additional cost, releasing funds for a new manager and some new players.
Ayre will be moved on as soon as a negative imbalance appears in the club finances.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #818 on: June 4, 2015, 01:37:13 PM »
What am I trying to say? Rodgers & his players have just delivered the worst result in over 50 years & for me the most depressing season in my 42 year supporting history. (Hodges half season was worse but mercifully Kenny took over & Suarez arrived).

I genuinely fear we're on a downward spiral . How many teams will look at what Palace & Stoke did to us & will see no Gerrard there either.  The fear factor has gone.

How are we on a downward spiral? We have finished lower and with lower points in the last few years and last season we had one of the best seasons for ages with the same manager. It was a crap season towards the end but prior to the Man United game we were on a fantastic run and being lauded as the form team in England.

And I hate to say it but Gerrard wasn't a 'fear factor' last season.

This season has raised real questions about whether Brendan has the wherewithal to win the big games and win trophies but if he doesn't succeed next season FSG will replace him.
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #819 on: June 4, 2015, 01:38:48 PM »
'Made up bollocks...'



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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #820 on: June 4, 2015, 01:44:13 PM »
So this particular thread is on its 21st page and the foregoing post is the only one thatís actually reflected fully upon what's happened this past season in context with the two seasons prior. Moreover, itís one of scarcely a handful that have not allowed perspective to be jaundiced by an underlying, at best distrusting at worst poisonous, agenda against the manager.

Note particularly the wisdom and insightfulness that leaps out of the highlighted paragraph. Compare it to the agenda driven content in so many of the posts in this thread which completely blank out the pivotal reality of last season's debacle in order to use the overriding failure of the season and in particular the rear end collapse as a massive stick with which to beat the manager.

There can be no doubts as to the obvious shortcomings in the managerís own performance levels but the degree of their impact on the overall debacle of the season is inestimably overstated by all who seek as if on some crusade to hold him totally accountable.

At the heart of it all lies the shameful fact that we were a team without an attack and such a team is not a team at all, no matter who the manager may be, no matter what errors of judgement or strokes of inventive genius that manager might happen to make

But what a fucking sorry state we're in supporter-wise if we have a huge swathe of our fan base who either cannot see or refuse to admit to this reality. The barrage of frustration in this thread ignoring the underlying reality is an embarrassment..

Folks these days may well have their libraries of statistical references but my god so many of them cannot actually bring to bear the remotest rationale, reflection and insight to accompany such reference.

And so it goes on and on. People actually attempting to convince themselves and others of the legitimacy of their judgement on Rodgers culpability and unsuitability when all along staring them full in the face is the risible entire season long fiasco of witnessing a team without a striker/attacking outlet worthy of the name.

I fucking weep for our club if such meagre and skewed thinking calibre of fan represents its future.


Well said.
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #821 on: June 4, 2015, 01:52:46 PM »
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Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #822 on: June 4, 2015, 01:58:58 PM »

There is absolutely no chance of Rodgers succeeding this next season.

Give me 100/1 on a top four finish and I'll bet £100. Easy money mate.
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #823 on: June 4, 2015, 02:06:03 PM »
Well I won't be harbouring any hopes of a top 4 finish for a while.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #824 on: June 4, 2015, 02:12:34 PM »
We finished 6th, in what fucking universe is that the worst season in 50 years?
Maybe most depressing would be more accurate in my fucking universe mate but obviously not yours.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #825 on: June 4, 2015, 02:19:32 PM »
You know what I've been very vocal against BR this season but even last season we've all seen if things click we're very good. From Dec to Mar we didn't lose. Why we downed tools after the Utd game I will never know but the guy is a good coach, we can play good football too. He just needs to get rid of his fucking annoying inconsistencies. I do hope he's learnt A LOT.

Next season will be a clean slate and his last one. Hopefully we get people other than Ings and Benteke for the attack. If not he'll be gone and rightly so. Get some GOOD strikers in and we'll be OK. The only thing will be how much the rest of the top 4 will improve by.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #826 on: June 4, 2015, 02:23:22 PM »
Given how bad things were for the well documented reasons and we finished 6th I just don't see anyway we don't finish 5th ...exactly 5th
Yeah I remember going into Hodgson's reign after finishing 7th the year before not very happy but thinking 'well it will surely be better than last season'. 6 months later the manager was gone. Thinking everything will be ok because it has to be is a dangerous way of thinking. We have a manager who is now under intense pressure and has had his position severely weakened. We have a group of players disaffected, out of form, loads of them still have to prove their worth, contract wranglings, who all know the manager's position is precarious. We've lost all of our major influences and there are no signs whatsoever that Rodgers or the players know how to shore up our extremely leaky and vulnerable defence. When the team has had to dig in and show character (no pun intended) we've been found wanting time after time. It's a recipe for calamity and we are swimming against the tide right now. Meanwhile most of the teams above and around us appear to be on upward trajectories. Anyone making bold claims like "we should be challenging for top 4" and "5th place guaranteed" needs a psychiatric evaluation.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #827 on: June 4, 2015, 07:38:48 PM »
So, given everyone's knowledge (on here at any rate) of how our transfers work, and that Lovren is a Rodgers signing, but Balotelli is a TC signing (or vice versa)....     what's the view regarding the signing of James Milner?  Manager or committee?

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #828 on: June 4, 2015, 07:39:51 PM »
So, given everyone's knowledge (on here at any rate) of how our transfers work, and that Lovren is a Rodgers signing, but Balotelli is a TC signing (or vice versa)....     what's the view regarding the signing of James Milner?  Manager or committee?

I'd say Rodgers.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #829 on: June 4, 2015, 07:41:14 PM »
So, given everyone's knowledge (on here at any rate) of how our transfers work, and that Lovren is a Rodgers signing, but Balotelli is a TC signing (or vice versa)....     what's the view regarding the signing of James Milner?  Manager or committee?

If you believe Tony Evans, and do that Twitter thing you'll see that he thinks Brendan isn't driving the recruitment.
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #830 on: June 4, 2015, 07:43:05 PM »
So, given everyone's knowledge (on here at any rate) of how our transfers work, and that Lovren is a Rodgers signing, but Balotelli is a TC signing (or vice versa)....     what's the view regarding the signing of James Milner?  Manager or committee?
Common sense. We lost Gerrard and if we get someone like Milner in theory we should be able to redirect those 15-20m we saved by going for a player out of contract towards more pressing needs like goalscorers.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #831 on: June 4, 2015, 07:56:25 PM »
Common sense. We lost Gerrard and if we get someone like Milner in theory we should be able to redirect those 15-20m we saved by going for a player out of contract towards more pressing needs like goalscorers.

Have we really saved the full 15-20mil? Won't he be getting a signing on fee?
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #832 on: June 4, 2015, 07:58:44 PM »
I'd say Rodgers.

If you're correct, I fear for Rodgers.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #833 on: June 4, 2015, 07:59:41 PM »
If you believe Tony Evans, and do that Twitter thing you'll see that he thinks Brendan isn't driving the recruitment.


If you're correct, I fear for Rodgers.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #834 on: June 4, 2015, 08:02:02 PM »
Have we really saved the full 15-20mil? Won't he be getting a signing on fee?
It doesn`t make much of a difference as we`re just handing him over Stevie`s wages. We`re lucky he decided to run his contract down or that City didn`t sell him with 2 years to go when he refused to sign a new deal. A midfielder good enough to play for us would cost us 15m minimum so overall it`s a great deal and we`re lucky he rejected City and Arsenal and CL football they could offer.

It`s gonna be ultra expensive for us trying to sign those 2 goalscorers we desperately need let alone needing to sign a top class midfielder on top of that.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #835 on: June 4, 2015, 08:02:37 PM »
Well I won't be harbouring any hopes of a top 4 finish for a while.

Harbouring any hopes for a while. You'd think we finished 17th. Going on like we've just had the season that Everton have had.

I can understand people who might say "We're going to find it extremely difficult" or "the season will be taxing and we may just fall short" or "Based on the last season I'm not sure Rodgers has it in him" - but all of those imply some sort of chance no matter how small. And of course there absolutely is a chance at the start. This sort of defeatism is sickening.

Personally I think Rodgers can get us up to 72 points if we can get started well- but I am more of an optimist, so accept others may not feel that way. But really and truly I can't be dealing with "there is absolutely no chance" and "I won't be harbouring any hopes". Fuck sake.

The manager deserves more support than that simply for the upturn in form once we signed Coutinho and Sturridge and how all of the team beyond just Suarez played at times last season, especially the likes of Sturridge, Coutinho and Flanagan despite some of the fair criticisms of how his teams have defended.

No chance, no hope, impossible. What utter shite.
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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #836 on: June 4, 2015, 08:37:16 PM »
He just wants a break is what I've been told. He can then cherry pick the jobs that will be going when someone gets the bullet.

No doubt we showed him our cherry and he said "nah". The fact that he'd prefer to do nothing than manage us is pretty damning.

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #837 on: June 4, 2015, 08:45:28 PM »
If you believe Tony Evans, and do that Twitter thing you'll see that he thinks Brendan isn't driving the recruitment.


That suggests that Brendan is being stitched up already and he won't like that - he'll be wondering who the club are signing players for - him or his replacement.

Reminds me of Rafa's quote "I am here to manage and train the team".

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #838 on: June 4, 2015, 08:46:36 PM »
Some journalists say they are his signings and some say they are not. Then again according to Tony Evans, Rodgers thinks Sakho and Mignolet and Can are shite

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Re: Re: Brendan Rodgers to remain at LFC after positive talks with owners
« Reply #839 on: June 4, 2015, 08:52:21 PM »
No doubt we showed him our cherry and he said "nah". The fact that he'd prefer to do nothing than manage us is pretty damning.

Or he was given a look and told that Rodgers is on a final warning and it might be worth keeping himself free in case Rodgers goes. Maybe the reason he's not taken another job is because he would really love the chance to manage one of the great names in football and thinks it's worth hanging on for a bit.

See? When you speculate based on no information whatsoever you can make the 'facts' fit any story.

Or maybe he actually wants a rest? I know it's hard to believe but sometimes people actually mean what they say.
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