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Re: General ShitChat thread #2 - back for another round!
« Reply #5480 on: June 16, 2014, 08:41:19 PM »
Here comes the moaning.

I'm not moaning, Sevilla are good at negotiating premium prices for their most valuable assets so there's no way they'll let Moreno go for that price.  The report might not even be correct, the Spanish media have pretty much all reported that we've bid around  the £15-16 million region so Maddock might have it wrong.  But if he is right and we won't budge from that then we won't get Moreno. 

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« Reply #5481 on: June 16, 2014, 08:44:15 PM »
so RAWK network, what do we know about Rojo?
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« Reply #5482 on: June 16, 2014, 08:45:55 PM »
I'm not moaning, Sevilla are good at negotiating premium prices for their most valuable assets so there's no way they'll let Moreno go for that price.  The report might not even be correct, the Spanish media have pretty much all reported that we've bid around  the £15-16 million region so Maddock might have it wrong.  But if he is right and we won't budge from that then we won't get Moreno. 

It would of been around 13 plus add on's.

By all accounts it seems we've done all we can. We made a decent bid and now they want to play hard ball.

Fine we will move on.

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« Reply #5483 on: June 16, 2014, 08:48:09 PM »
Can I be devil's advocado and suggest we cannot always be miles out on "valuations" and sometimes will have to pay up for BR's chosen players?

Sevilla are asking far too much...20mil plus who knows how many juicy add-ons for unproven 20yr old kid... he's no Roberto Carlos, we should move on from this target
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« Reply #5484 on: June 16, 2014, 08:48:49 PM »
I don't think anybody reliable said that. Maybe i missed something. I think there were a few tabloids who ran with the reports coming from Spain rather than any genuine info on their side. I think the stance from the Echo, Times etc has always been we've been negotiating and nothings ever been imminent.
Yeah can't find anything on it now, I'm sure there were reports on here last week saying that Sevilla wanted a majority of the fee up front.

Anyway, if people are going to believe The Mirror article then why would Sevilla let us talk to the player if we were so far apart on the fee.
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Re: General ShitChat thread #2 - back for another round!
« Reply #5485 on: June 16, 2014, 08:51:59 PM »
Yeah can't find anything on it now, I'm sure there were reports on here last week saying that Sevilla wanted a majority of the fee up front.

Anyway, if people are going to believe The Mirror article then why would Sevilla let us talk to the player if we were so far apart on the fee.
They also have us after Markovic

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« Reply #5486 on: June 16, 2014, 08:53:05 PM »
Yeah can't find anything on it now, I'm sure there were reports on here last week saying that Sevilla wanted a majority of the fee up front.

Anyway, if people are going to believe The Mirror article then why would Sevilla let us talk to the player if we were so far apart on the fee.

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« Reply #5487 on: June 16, 2014, 08:54:05 PM »
It would of been around 13 plus add on's.

By all accounts it seems we've done all we can. We made a decent bid and now they want to play hard ball.

Fine we will move on.

I agree we have a limited budget. Although we may spend 50-60 mil net we need 5 signings which means we will only have minimum down payments for each player and the rest set over a few years. Thats where we suffer compared to the sugar Daddys .... We havent got the ability to pay bug bucks upfront.

Additionally buying players from clubs that dont need to sell is never cost effective. There are plenty of decent players out there with set buyout clauses or negotiations are made easier by the selling club wanting the sale.


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Re: General ShitChat thread #2 - back for another round!
« Reply #5488 on: June 16, 2014, 08:55:34 PM »

Sevilla are asking far too much...20mil plus who knows how many juicy add-ons for unproven 20yr old kid... he's no Roberto Carlos, we should move on from this target

Yeah interesting, would the scouting team (or BR) prefer Moreno over the alternatives though?

What happened to getting the deal done? We gonna walk away from Lallana too?

Then Shaquiri, I'm sure Bayern are going to want £20 million. We offer £15 mill.

Don't like it, fine, we walk away.

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« Reply #5489 on: June 16, 2014, 08:57:01 PM »
It would of been around 13 plus add on's.

By all accounts it seems we've done all we can. We made a decent bid and now they want to play hard ball.

Fine we will move on.

If the report is right then our bid is just too low, they won't accept that for a young, highly-rated Spanish international who's still got at least a couple of years left on his contract.  They're good negotiators and usually get very good deals for their homegrown players so if there are other clubs interested they might get what they want from elsewhere. 

Shame if it is true because he's a good young player who be another prime target we won't get.  I don't know anything about Rojo so if he is who we go for next then I trust the club's judgement.
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« Reply #5490 on: June 16, 2014, 09:00:46 PM »
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« Reply #5491 on: June 16, 2014, 09:00:56 PM »
So we tried to lowball again?  ;D
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« Reply #5492 on: June 16, 2014, 09:04:51 PM »
What have I missed?

The bit that we agreed a deal in principle hence why we were allowed to talk to the player. However now they want more money.


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« Reply #5493 on: June 16, 2014, 09:05:08 PM »
I'm not moaning, Sevilla are good at negotiating premium prices for their most valuable assets so there's no way they'll let Moreno go for that price.  The report might not even be correct, the Spanish media have pretty much all reported that we've bid around  the £15-16 million region so Maddock might have it wrong.  But if he is right and we won't budge from that then we won't get Moreno. 
And they won't get our money. We're trying to run the club properly. The days of an extra 3/5 million more here and there are gone. That tallies up to 15-20million more spent before you know it. If that's our valuation, I'm inclined to agree with us- especially since there is no concrete interest from the market yet.

We're building a rep as a club that will only be in for so long and then we'll walk away, so in future we'll see less of this sort of thing. There is always the next player. Dime a dozen and so forth.
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« Reply #5494 on: June 16, 2014, 09:07:54 PM »
The bit that we agreed a deal in principle hence why we were allowed to talk to the player. However now they want more money.
It says we agreed a deal in principle with the player, not Sevilla.
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« Reply #5495 on: June 16, 2014, 09:08:35 PM »
And they won't get our money. We're trying to run the club properly. The days of a 3 million more here and there are gone. If that's our valuation, I'm inclined to agree with us- especially since there is no concrete interest from the market yet.

I'm not saying otherwise or that I don't agree with the club, just that our valuation in this instance isn't going to be acceptable to a club like Sevilla. 

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« Reply #5496 on: June 16, 2014, 09:09:26 PM »
but if they really want 20 mln it is insane for a left back

I never knew each position had an individual maximum buying price. The amount of times people last season said that we were struggling at right back when Johnson played and how many goals we conceded because of something that one of our full backs did wrong, that kind of puts your theory into doubt. If a quality full back was playing instead of player X or Y then those goals wouldn't have been conceded, therefore, we would have collected more points.

My point being: full backs are an ever growing important piece of the starting 11 puzzle and teams should not be put off from spending whatever they can to acquire a quality one.

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« Reply #5497 on: June 16, 2014, 09:10:27 PM »
It says we agreed a deal in principle with the player, not Sevilla.

But we must of done with them also to a able to talk to the player.

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« Reply #5498 on: June 16, 2014, 09:10:36 PM »
I'm not saying otherwise or that I don't agree with the club, just that our valuation in this instance isn't going to be acceptable to a club like Sevilla. 
And their's is not acceptable to our's. That's why no-one would budge and it's best for us to move on instead of wasting more time.
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« Reply #5499 on: June 16, 2014, 09:14:32 PM »
And their's is not acceptable to our's. That's why no-one would budge and it's best for us to move on instead of wasting more time.

I haven't said otherwise.  Hopefully we have better luck with our next target if we do move on from Moreno.

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« Reply #5500 on: June 16, 2014, 09:14:46 PM »
But we must of done with them also to a able to talk to the player.
We will have been close to agreeing a fee at the very least which is what I have been saying. People are believing a Mirror article that says we are £6m apart on valuation, and then in the next breath says we were allowed to talk to the player and agree a contract.

There is no way Sevilla would give us permission to talk to the player if we were so far apart on valuation. The report just sounds bollocks to me.
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« Reply #5501 on: June 16, 2014, 09:18:56 PM »
I agree we have a limited budget. 

Nothing to do with limitid budget. You just do not pay way too much or let them increase or move the goal posts...
We have been paying far too much too often in the past. Moreno is not worth more. He is not the next Roberto Carlos.
If he would be best left back in the world you would still be considering paying 18-20 mln.
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« Reply #5502 on: June 16, 2014, 09:19:08 PM »
We will have been close to agreeing a fee at the very least which is what I have been saying. People are believing a Mirror article that says we are £6m apart on valuation, and then in the next breath says we were allowed to talk to the player and agree a contract.

There is no way Sevilla would give us permission to talk to the player if we were so far apart on valuation. The report just sounds bollocks to me.

I think £13.5 million sounds low when you consider we paid them around £7 million for Alberto last summer.  Maybe Maddock is right but if he is then its dragged on for a long time if neither club is refusing to budge on a £6 million gap in valuations.

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« Reply #5503 on: June 16, 2014, 09:19:42 PM »
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« Reply #5504 on: June 16, 2014, 09:24:48 PM »
I think £13.5 million sounds low when you consider we paid them around £7 million for Alberto last summer.  Maybe Maddock is right but if he is then its dragged on for a long time if neither club is refusing to budge on a £6 million gap in valuations.

You could better say we paid way too much with 7 mln for Alberto where we only ask 3 mln for Suso (although 1 year left on contract).
Alberto was worth probably half but we are Liverpool and in the Premier League so they ask and we pay 7 where someone else pay 3.5
I know I am a Dutch cheapskate still used to 20th century transfer fees but hey. Everyone knows we have money and often just paid what someone asks .. that has to stop. 
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« Reply #5505 on: June 16, 2014, 09:28:25 PM »
Quite like Caulker, shame if he goes to them. Have to imagine we're planning on trying for Lovren now.
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

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« Reply #5506 on: June 16, 2014, 09:30:24 PM »
Quite like Caulker, shame if he goes to them. Have to imagine we're planning on trying for Lovren now.

Goes to who?

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« Reply #5507 on: June 16, 2014, 09:31:34 PM »
^^^ quoted you in the Everton thread to keep this one on topic
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

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« Reply #5508 on: June 16, 2014, 09:31:42 PM »
You could better say we paid way too much with 7 mln for Alberto where we only ask 3 mln for Suso (although 1 year left on contract).
Alberto was worth probably half but we are Liverpool and in the Premier League so they ask and we pay 7 where someone else pay 3.5
I know I am a Dutch cheapskate still used to 20th century transfer fees but hey. Everyone knows we have money and often just paid what someone asks .. that has to stop.

Maybe so but the flip side from a Sevilla perspective is if we paid so much for Alberto who hadn't yet made the breakthrough there then why would they accept less than half for a first-team regular who has helped them to win a European trophy and been called into the Spanish squad?

Either way, as long as we sign a quality first-team left-back then I'm not too bothered who it is.  If its Moreno then great but I'm sure our manager has a few quality targets in mind for that position.

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« Reply #5509 on: June 16, 2014, 09:32:30 PM »
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« Reply #5510 on: June 16, 2014, 09:32:33 PM »
Quite like Caulker, shame if he goes to them. Have to imagine we're planning on trying for Lovren now.

Hope we get Lovren though, bargain buy by Southampton last season, still young, bags of experience and a leader of the defence.
Has he really put in a transfer request or just a rumour? (he is at the World Cup so...)
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« Reply #5511 on: June 16, 2014, 09:34:03 PM »
Right, the Everton thread is closed, so i'll pop it here

Di Marzio is saying he's close to signing for Everton.
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

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« Reply #5512 on: June 16, 2014, 09:35:17 PM »
Right, the Everton thread is closed, so i'll pop it here

Di Marzio is saying he's close to signing for Everton.

Fuck. I think he could be good for them.
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« Reply #5513 on: June 16, 2014, 09:36:19 PM »
Isn't DiMarzio a journalist in Italy?
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« Reply #5514 on: June 16, 2014, 09:37:13 PM »
Isn't DiMarzio a journalist in Italy?

yeah, he said they're trying to sign Cerci but he doesnt think it'll happen as they're lowballing them, and they're close to signing Caulker.
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« Reply #5515 on: June 16, 2014, 09:37:16 PM »
I did think the mooted £20m was a bit on the pricey side. May well be us just reminding Sevilla that there are plenty of LB options out there in a bid to encourage them to compromise. Something like £15-16m sounds fair and would probably suit all parties.

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« Reply #5516 on: June 16, 2014, 09:40:05 PM »
I did think the mooted £20m was a bit on the pricey side. May well be us just reminding Sevilla that there are plenty of LB options out there in a bid to encourage them to compromise. Something like £15-16m sounds fair and would probably suit all parties.

But do they need to sell?
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« Reply #5517 on: June 16, 2014, 09:41:39 PM »
But do they need to sell?
Yes....even with the rakitic money from Barça, they probably need the money
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« Reply #5518 on: June 16, 2014, 09:42:29 PM »
Maddock saying we're turning our attentions to Marcos Rojo.
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« Reply #5519 on: June 16, 2014, 09:47:42 PM »
Maddock saying we're turning our attentions to Marcos Rojo.

Wouldn't be too happy with that to be honest.
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

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