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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #280 on: November 28, 2019, 05:59:49 PM »
There is something rotten at the centre of this country to be honest, I'm can't honestly say I'm surprised by the turn of events though. My heart goes out to the families though. Keep strong everyone.  :(
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« Reply #281 on: November 28, 2019, 06:00:34 PM »
I felt awful hearing him being found not guilty. But reading the guardian article I now feel empty and sick which feels even worse. I can't begin to think what the families feel who have attended daily.

I cannot comprehend how they have allowed this court case to be spun, making exceptions for duckenfield because he's sick, or suffered, and not once allowing family statements of there suffering.

The poor chap thing has left me feeling so bitter about this world. I don't even want to relay my true emotions to this.

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« Reply #282 on: November 28, 2019, 06:18:37 PM »
I have not really kept up with this. Just read the David Conn article and it is pretty shocking but at the same time not that surprising.

So what happens now? You mentioned there are still live criminal proceedings?
Two detectives are up for perverting the cause of justice, commencing next year so it remains important that we stay focused for now.
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« Reply #283 on: November 28, 2019, 06:19:48 PM »
Let's not forget in the first trial John Beggs QC, Duckenfield's barrister,  who blamed drunk fans - fans "in drink" as he put it to besmirch and repeat a lot of the lies and pull the wool over the Jurors eyes.

Beggs on his website boasts of the work he has done in defending the Police and he was the git who defended the army top brass when that poor lass committed suicide at Deepcut.


His website boasts that he is "the person police officers turn to when theyíre facing matters of serious reputational concern". !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :butt :butt :butt :butt :butt

https://www.serjeantsinn.com/barrister/john-beggs-qc/police/





As much as it grates, its his job to defend his client using whatever means necessary, thats how the court system is set up. But, once he started peddling the egregious falsehoods about drunk fans, thats when the judge should have stepped in, or the CPS objected. That is what is most dismaying about this.
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #284 on: November 28, 2019, 06:33:40 PM »
Please remember there are still live criminal proceedings ongoing.

The David Conn article in the Guardian succinctly illustrates what the families and survivors were up against, that should be shared as wide as possible.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/hillsborough-david-duckenfield-verdict



I've just read that. What the absolute fuck.

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #285 on: November 28, 2019, 06:35:51 PM »
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/374335-liverpool-fc-statement

Following today's verdict at Preston Crown Court, Liverpool Football Club would like to commend the bereaved families, survivors and campaigners for the remarkable courage, dignity and resilience they have shown during the past three decades.

With further related legal proceedings listed for April and the restriction for commentary, we share the reactions and frustrations by the families today and those affected by the Hillsborough tragedy.

The journey that reached todayís stage, and will continue, is testament to the perseverance and determination of all involved in the ongoing campaign for justice.

We also reiterate that the inquests in April 2016 concluded that the behaviour of Liverpool supporters did not cause or contribute to the Hillsborough disaster. We were disappointed that the allegations were raised again in this process.

We have immense admiration for the Hillsborough families, survivors and campaigners for what they have achieved and our thoughts remain with them and those 96 Liverpool supporters who went to watch their team and never came home.

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« Reply #286 on: November 28, 2019, 06:37:48 PM »
Just... fuck off.

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« Reply #287 on: November 28, 2019, 06:42:00 PM »
Two detectives are up for perverting the cause of justice, commencing next year so it remains important that we stay focused for now.
Our day will come.

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« Reply #288 on: November 28, 2019, 06:45:56 PM »
I am gutted. The flag will be there on Saturday and to Salzburg. Never Give Up.
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« Reply #289 on: November 28, 2019, 06:47:49 PM »
Guy who orders gate opened then lies and said fans forced it open is not guilty of manslaughtering said fans.

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« Reply #290 on: November 28, 2019, 06:59:56 PM »
A travesty of justice.

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« Reply #291 on: November 28, 2019, 07:03:30 PM »
Hard watch this.

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/374754-margaret-aspinall-on-hillsborough-retrial-conclusion?

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« Reply #292 on: November 28, 2019, 07:03:50 PM »
'Duckenfield's lawyers fought to show jury "worst hooliganism ever filmed"':-

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/duckenfields-lawyers-fought-show-jury-17333335
That is absolutely disgraceful.
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« Reply #293 on: November 28, 2019, 07:43:10 PM »
I'll bow out of this thread for the time being.  I suspect I'll end up either wanting to scream or break shit, and neither is healthy for me.  I'll try to distract myself with other aspects of the forum.

Keeping you all in my thoughts. JFT 96
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #294 on: November 28, 2019, 08:00:36 PM »
I'm lost with this verdict.....

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« Reply #295 on: November 28, 2019, 08:33:43 PM »
Good interview from Margaret that, gutted obviously but resolute as ever.

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« Reply #296 on: November 28, 2019, 08:42:18 PM »
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« Reply #297 on: November 28, 2019, 08:47:05 PM »
Not that I think anyone else is as dumb as me but don't even think about peeking at the Daily Mail article + comments unless you want to feel even shitter. Just, fuck them

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #298 on: November 28, 2019, 08:48:07 PM »
Gutting that it turned out this way but can't say I'm surprised after what's gone on before, two steps forward, then three steps back.

I'm not sure what else the families can do to get justice for those they lost and those affected by the tragic events.

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« Reply #299 on: November 28, 2019, 08:53:26 PM »
I can not imagine what families must feel at this moment. All those people who have worked hard all their lives, paid their taxes and played by the rules only to repeatedly be denied justice, denied closure, after they could no longer deny the truth. Heartbreaking and so painful. Lost for words really.

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« Reply #300 on: November 28, 2019, 08:59:54 PM »
I mean, if they'd come to this verdict because there wasn't quite enough evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, or because it didn't quite meet the technical definition of 'manslaughter' or something, it might be more acceptable. But to read that all of the conclusions from the inquests were basically ignored and all the old arguments and disinformation came back into play, and the judge allowed such things to go unchallenged, is just beyond belief. It's like all the progress made in recent years was lost and the whole thing went back 30 years. Honestly that judge sounds like someone straight out of 1989.

The contrast between the process of the inquests - modern, open, thorough, professional and unbiased - and this trial - amateurish, ignoring important evidence, and vulnerable to the whims and prejudices of the judge - is really shocking. If the jury were not exposed to (or were told to ignore) the outcome of the inquests and all the facts that have been established recently, and were confronted instead with all the old arguments and disinformation, it's kind of understandable they would think there wasn't enough conclusive evidence to convict. But they should have had all the facts, and the defence should not have been able to dispute them. It had already been established that the fans were not to blame, so all they should've been considering here was how responsible Duckenfield was, and whether it could be classed as manslaughter. There's no way anyone should've been allowed to even suggest that the fans were to blame.
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« Reply #301 on: November 28, 2019, 09:07:40 PM »
Disgusting.

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« Reply #302 on: November 28, 2019, 09:21:34 PM »
Unbelievable verdict- how is it possible?

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« Reply #303 on: November 28, 2019, 09:23:40 PM »
Disgusted, the inquest exposed just how incompetent Duckenfield was, thought the inquest also proved why many more people should have been in the dock as well and am sure many of them did expect a knock on the door when the prosecutions were announced.
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« Reply #304 on: November 28, 2019, 10:27:59 PM »

'Hillsborough families voice outrage at not-guilty verdict':-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/hillsborough-families-outraged-david-duckenfield-not-guilty-verdict - by David Conn
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #305 on: November 28, 2019, 10:36:33 PM »
When the news came out I had to leave work. I pushed chair back, explained to them all that I was in no frame of mind for continuing and will see them tomorrow.

I can see people tomorrow. Today people for whom tomorrow never came are still awaiting justice. Survivors go into tomorrow knowing today let so many people down.

Itís all a very sinking feeling with an establishment yet again knocking truth down.   :'(
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« Reply #306 on: November 28, 2019, 11:18:03 PM »
Iím honestly at a fucking loss as to what I should say, Iím fucking gobsmacked to be honest.

96 people died at Hillsborough but itís impossible to count the number of people whoís lives have been destroyed because of it, and that fucking pig Duckenfield is responsible.

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« Reply #307 on: November 28, 2019, 11:47:12 PM »
Iím a survivor who rarely posts on the main boards. Just want to agree with the poster above who slates the CPS and encourage everyone to read the David Conn article posted above. It is pretty much unheard of for a journalist to attack a judge in the manner David does here.
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« Reply #308 on: November 28, 2019, 11:59:07 PM »

https://twitter.com/joe_thomas18/status/1200186086292672512:-

'While Duckenfield used his condition as a reason to avoid scrutiny, brave #LFC supporters who survived the crush caused by his order stood up in court and gave powerful, emotive evidence. The contrast could not have been more stark'.

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« Reply #309 on: November 29, 2019, 12:27:55 AM »
An absolutely disgraceful decision and heartbreaking for both the families of the 96 and the survivors.The establishment can go tae fuck for all I care the corrupt twats.We are Liverpool and we will be there for all those affected.YNWA JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE 96.
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« Reply #310 on: November 29, 2019, 01:08:54 AM »
Establishment closing ranks, biased judiciary, incompetent legal representation and victim blaming..by all accounts it's still 1989 ffs.

Feel so sad for the survivors and families..as Margaret rightly but bewilderingly asks, how can an inquest determine that 96 people were unlawfully killed and then for the courts to find no one accountable!? Astonishing that this can be the verdict in this day and age, particularly with all the evidence presented.

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« Reply #311 on: November 29, 2019, 03:06:09 AM »
Fuck sakes what an utter travesty.

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« Reply #312 on: November 29, 2019, 07:45:18 AM »
Shocked but not surprised at the outcome, like most I suspect.

The ďitís not his fault, poor chapĒ comment from a prejudiced judge (who shouldnít have been presiding)  whatever the context, is disgraceful but says it all about the predetermined outcome. Having a feckless CPS counsel against a defence that engaged in the dark arts and took every advantage (unchallenged), however legally or morally reprehensible, didnít help either.

Itís one thing for that man to walk free, but itís the attempted erasing of past fact findings thatís most sickening of all.

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« Reply #313 on: November 29, 2019, 08:45:42 AM »
There is something rotten at the centre of this country to be honest, I'm can't honestly say I'm surprised by the turn of events though. My heart goes out to the families though. Keep strong everyone.  :(

Totally agree.

At best there was gross negligence by those in charge, followed by a major criminal cover-up involving many, many people to hide that negligence.

Our country is divided by design and this case is just one that shines a spotlight on that.

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« Reply #314 on: November 29, 2019, 09:03:14 AM »
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

Love to families/friends of the 96 and also to the survivors.

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« Reply #315 on: November 29, 2019, 09:31:51 AM »
I am so disappointed

being a dublin man there is a lot in the news lately about the stardust disco and comparisons can be made in terms of how the families have been left searching for answers for so long and their fight for justice.

I can only say how disappointed I feel for everyone after yesterday, i never saw that outcome coming. I really didnt.

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« Reply #316 on: November 29, 2019, 10:10:55 AM »
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

Love to families/friends of the 96 and also to the survivors.

JFT96

Nicely put Paul. Youíve always been very vocal on this and Iím sure more important people have thanked you but I truly appreciate the support youíve given over the years on here.

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« Reply #317 on: November 29, 2019, 10:23:38 AM »
Shocked but not surprised at the outcome, like most I suspect.

The ďitís not his fault, poor chapĒ comment from a prejudiced judge (who shouldnít have been presiding)  whatever the context, is disgraceful but says it all about the predetermined outcome. Having a feckless CPS counsel against a defence that engaged in the dark arts and took every advantage (unchallenged), however legally or morally reprehensible, didnít help either.

Itís one thing for that man to walk free, but itís the attempted erasing of past fact findings thatís most sickening of all.


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« Reply #318 on: November 29, 2019, 10:30:46 AM »
No words.

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« Reply #319 on: November 29, 2019, 11:00:11 AM »
Nicely put Paul. Youíve always been very vocal on this and Iím sure more important people have thanked you but I truly appreciate the support youíve given over the years on here.
It is my opinion that no person, anywhere, let alone here on RAWK is more important than the next.

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