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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16560 on: November 19, 2019, 09:38:27 PM »
Gini is not a nummer 6. He plays as one because that are the instructions from Klopp. He plays for NL at the moment and has 1 goal and 3 shots already. In total he has 15 goals in 60 games for Oranje and 11 in 48 for Newcastle.

Since he clearly has goals to his game - if asked to play further up - I’d say he is being asked to curtail his attacking instincts. So it is just as likely that if Liverpool continue with the same setup whoever plays in midfield will play in the same manner.

Wijnaldum hasn't played as a 6 in many a moons here.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16561 on: November 19, 2019, 09:42:09 PM »
Wijnaldum hasn't played as a 6 in many a moons here.

No, but he and Hendo are tasked with playing a relatively less attacking role in the team. I think that's what people mean - clearly only Fab is playing as a 6.

Meanwhile, he's just scored a hat-trick. So clearly the goals are there if we ask it of him. He's a goal machine for the national team.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16562 on: November 19, 2019, 10:21:41 PM »
No, but he and Hendo are tasked with playing a relatively less attacking role in the team. I think that's what people mean - clearly only Fab is playing as a 6.

Meanwhile, he's just scored a hat-trick. So clearly the goals are there if we ask it of him. He's a goal machine for the national team.

Oh I agree, it's clear his duties are different here, not disputing that. But he isn't playing as a 6.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16563 on: November 20, 2019, 08:05:42 AM »
I was replaying to a poster further up who referred to Gini and Henderson as “our nr 6’s”

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16564 on: November 20, 2019, 08:53:50 AM »
Oh I agree, it's clear his duties are different here, not disputing that. But he isn't playing as a 6.

He’s a false 6. A hipster 6.5.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16565 on: November 20, 2019, 09:54:33 AM »
Midfield has been doing great things has it is.
 
The closest thing our midfield has had to a problem is that
Two of them have been out for some time.

Our midfield can only get better with Chamberlain and Keita to choose from. Klopp has a plan for them and I doubt it's to warm the bench.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16566 on: November 20, 2019, 11:47:53 AM »
Just watched highlights of yesterdays Holland Estonia game. Wijnaldum, feck me, as complete a performance as a attacking midfielder you can get.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16567 on: November 20, 2019, 11:51:25 AM »
To add to the above.....When I see the performances our midfielders are putting in consistently, in particular Fab, Gini, Hendo, Ox. We have an unbelievably strong midfield.

Amazing that the rest of the world doesn't seem to appreciate that our midfield is right up there with the best.

I think it's a good thing  ;)

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16568 on: November 20, 2019, 12:27:54 PM »
Wijnaldum is surely one of the most underrated footballers around

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16569 on: November 20, 2019, 01:23:23 PM »
Just watched highlights of yesterdays Holland Estonia game. Wijnaldum, feck me, as complete a performance as a attacking midfielder you can get.

Many strings to his bow has Gini

When see you performances like this, albeit against Estonia, you have to admire the player's ability to put the team's results ahead of their own personal achievements. Someone like Wijnaldum could easily play attacking midfield for a top 4 club and get 10 assists and 10 goals a season in a big european league. However, he plays a more disciplined and less flashy role to aid this Liverpool team. Great credit to the player for doing this, bt also the manager and coaching staff for getting buy in. Not just from Gini but most of the players who play in our midfield positions.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16570 on: November 20, 2019, 01:34:25 PM »
To add to the above.....When I see the performances our midfielders are putting in consistently, in particular Fab, Gini, Hendo, Ox. We have an unbelievably strong midfield.

Amazing that the rest of the world doesn't seem to appreciate that our midfield is right up there with the best.

I think it's a good thing  ;)

The rest of the world? Lots of people on here don't appreciate them.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16571 on: November 20, 2019, 02:23:47 PM »
Weird how when Gini plays for us, he seems very hesitant to shoot. For example against Spurs, he had a big chance to get a shot away inside the box but instead spun around and played a pass out wide. This happens quite a lot when he's within shooting range. Always seems very hesitant to shoot. Don't know if that's to do with our front 3 where he knows they'll likely cause oppositions problems but when playing for the Dutch team, they don't have that sort of firepower uptop and takes it upon himself to be that creative/goalscorer.

Then you watch him play for the Dutch and he's scoring all different sort of goals. Would love to see him replicate that for us.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16572 on: November 20, 2019, 04:51:57 PM »
Weird how when Gini plays for us, he seems very hesitant to shoot. For example against Spurs, he had a big chance to get a shot away inside the box but instead spun around and played a pass out wide. This happens quite a lot when he's within shooting range. Always seems very hesitant to shoot. Don't know if that's to do with our front 3 where he knows they'll likely cause oppositions problems but when playing for the Dutch team, they don't have that sort of firepower uptop and takes it upon himself to be that creative/goalscorer.

Then you watch him play for the Dutch and he's scoring all different sort of goals. Would love to see him replicate that for us.

Yes. I think that a lot, too. I get that he's playing a different role, but he gets into positions where you know he should be taking the shot on, and doesn't. Or misses. I cannot imagine that the team instructions go that far! Plenty of goals in the team, so it's just one of those curious things rather than a problem.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16573 on: November 20, 2019, 09:56:08 PM »
Yes. I think that a lot, too. I get that he's playing a different role, but he gets into positions where you know he should be taking the shot on, and doesn't. Or misses. I cannot imagine that the team instructions go that far! Plenty of goals in the team, so it's just one of those curious things rather than a problem.

I think he just gets into better positions for the national team and is encouraged to carry the attack more. I think Gini more than most players internalises his role in how he plays.

That's why I expect that if he's asked to play a more attacking midfield role, he'd have no problem getting into positions to score and to score a decent number of goals. He tends to contribute to the goalscoring when it's asked of him.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16574 on: November 21, 2019, 11:08:17 AM »
I think he just gets into better positions for the national team and is encouraged to carry the attack more. I think Gini more than most players internalises his role in how he plays.

That's why I expect that if he's asked to play a more attacking midfield role, he'd have no problem getting into positions to score and to score a decent number of goals. He tends to contribute to the goalscoring when it's asked of him.

What we're saying though, is that he does get into the positions for us.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16575 on: November 21, 2019, 02:19:18 PM »
Wijnaldum is surely one of the most underrated footballers around

He is selected for the ballon dor. Not that great a secret anymore.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16576 on: November 27, 2019, 09:55:02 PM »
Really need Klopp to help the team out by selecting balanced midfields. A lack of progressive 8s is pretty inexcusable when Trent isn't starting given Trent is usually the justification given for the midfields we play. I said in the pre game thread this would be painful viewing with our team selection and it really, really was.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16577 on: November 27, 2019, 09:57:29 PM »
Really need Klopp to help the team out by selecting balanced midfields. A lack of progressive 8s is pretty inexcusable when Trent isn't starting given Trent is usually the justification given for the midfields we play. I said in the pre game thread this would be painful viewing with our team selection and it really, really was.

Cross cross and more crosses, drums home how special Trent is if anything, it makes that tactic a way more viable option.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16578 on: November 27, 2019, 09:57:44 PM »
Really need Klopp to help the team out by selecting balanced midfields. A lack of progressive 8s is pretty inexcusable when Trent isn't starting given Trent is usually the justification given for the midfields we play. I said in the pre game thread this would be painful viewing with our team selection and it really, really was.

Shame Klopp doesn't read your posts, then we'd be much better off.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16579 on: November 27, 2019, 10:00:16 PM »
Shame Klopp doesn't read your posts, then we'd be much better off.

Or he could read Babu's Twitter threads, which is where I get my opinions from, and listen to him. But yes on this topic Klopp could do with listening to those who'd like midfield to look different.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16580 on: November 27, 2019, 10:02:08 PM »
Or he could read Babu's Twitter threads, which is where I get my opinions from, and listen to him. But yes on this topic Klopp could do with listening to those who'd like midfield to look different.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16581 on: November 27, 2019, 10:06:20 PM »
I haven't looked at his twitter feed in a while but his match commentary feed from the game this eve articulates everything that is wrong with this team selection and tonight's performance. Donut midfields aren't great.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16583 on: November 27, 2019, 10:13:36 PM »
I haven't looked at his twitter feed in a while but his match commentary feed from the game this eve articulates everything that is wrong with this team selection and tonight's performance. Donut midfields aren't great.
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« Reply #16584 on: November 27, 2019, 10:14:44 PM »
Donut forum contributions not great either 😉

Agree with this, but I get all my opinions from Bolrick
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16585 on: November 27, 2019, 10:21:37 PM »
Agree with this, but I get all my opinions from Bolrick

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
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« Reply #16587 on: November 28, 2019, 06:05:11 AM »
hmmmmmmmmmmm.................

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16588 on: November 28, 2019, 07:50:24 AM »
Really need Klopp to help the team out by selecting balanced midfields. A lack of progressive 8s is pretty inexcusable when Trent isn't starting given Trent is usually the justification given for the midfields we play. I said in the pre game thread this would be painful viewing with our team selection and it really, really was.
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« Reply #16589 on: November 28, 2019, 07:54:22 AM »
Strewth.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16590 on: November 28, 2019, 08:04:17 AM »
Or he could read Babu's Twitter threads, which is where I get my opinions from, and listen to him. But yes on this topic Klopp could do with listening to those who'd like midfield to look different.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16591 on: November 28, 2019, 09:01:37 AM »
Really need Klopp to help the team out by selecting balanced midfields. A lack of progressive 8s is pretty inexcusable when Trent isn't starting given Trent is usually the justification given for the midfields we play. I said in the pre game thread this would be painful viewing with our team selection and it really, really was.

Champions of Europe and lost once in about 50 odd league games.

What I find 'pretty inexcusable' is fans criticising the manager and saying his decisions are 'inexcusable' after a single draw. Saying you predicted this before the game makes it seem like this is a continued flaw in the team. For me, that doesn't correlate with our results and performances over the last few seasons. How can there be a continued flaw but we are the best team in Europe and have lost 1 league game in about 18 months. Surely if you can see this glaring flaw then Klopp can. Or most other manager's out there can see it.

What would need to happen for some fans to not complain about some aspect of the team?

To be honest I didn't agree with Klopp's team last night. But he probably had reasons to make it. I wonder how much Keita being ill changed things. He obviously wanted to rest Wijnaldum and TAA. I think we may have gone Milner at RB and Keita in midfield if they were both available. It's a long time since Gomez has played RB and Milner has been preferred there ahead of Gomez this season. Maybe the plan was to play a progressive midfielder in Keita but him being unavailable again made this difficult.
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« Reply #16592 on: November 28, 2019, 09:12:34 AM »
Champions of Europe and lost once in about 50 odd league games.

What I find 'pretty inexcusable' is fans criticising the manager and saying his decisions are 'inexcusable' after a single draw. Saying you predicted this before the game makes it seem like this is a continued flaw in the team. For me, that doesn't correlate with our results and performances over the last few seasons. How can there be a continued flaw but we are the best team in Europe and have lost 1 league game in about 18 months. Surely if you can see this glaring flaw then Klopp can. Or most other manager's out there can see it.

What would need to happen for some fans to not complain about some aspect of the team?

To be honest I didn't agree with Klopp's team last night. But he probably had reasons to make it. I wonder how much Keita being ill changed things. He obviously wanted to rest Wijnaldum and TAA. I think we may have gone Milner at RB and Keita in midfield if they were both available. It's a long time since Gomez has played RB and Milner has been preferred there ahead of Gomez this season. Maybe the plan was to play a progressive midfielder in Keita but him being unavailable again made this difficult.

Agree with you 100% about the complaining!! Some people on this forum are ridiculous. Do they expect to win every single game now. We are in such a good place that yesterdays draw didn't affect me at all. We are still in the competition, we depend on ourselves to go through, we are flying in the league. A draw to a big team is acceptable every now and again. We win all the games that we should be winning against the midtable teams and occasionally draw to big teams which results can go either way. Similar to when we drew against united away and people were livid. Unbelievable.

If people are upset now I could only imagine how they felt when we use to lose and draw random games that we should have been winning with Houllier and Benitez.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16593 on: November 28, 2019, 09:26:56 AM »
It was dogged game in the 1st half, Napoli gave us nothing at all and had 8 men constantly behind the ball to nullify our front 3 and the full backs. What that did meant that the midfield had no one to pass to in any dangerous positions so we looked blunt. 2nd half we were much better

Thought Henderson played well and put some excellent balls into the box. Gini and Milner were alright but couldn't create much (apart from Milner nearly scoring one of the goals of the season). Teams will bog us down because they know it can slow us down. Ox was brought on to try and make that easier but even then they were so deep we couldn't create anything

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16594 on: November 28, 2019, 09:53:28 AM »
Really need Klopp to help the team out by selecting balanced midfields. A lack of progressive 8s is pretty inexcusable when Trent isn't starting given Trent is usually the justification given for the midfields we play. I said in the pre game thread this would be painful viewing with our team selection and it really, really was.

To be fair, I don't think we would have done much better if Trent had started. Although Ox was good when he came on, I don't think he was enough to change the game on his own either.

We were just off our best and Napoli were very organised. They slowed the game down a lot, and we struggled to dictate the tempo of the match. We're much easier to deal with as a team if you slow the game down and especially slow down the transitions.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16595 on: November 28, 2019, 10:01:04 AM »
hmmmmmmmmmmm.................

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« Reply #16596 on: November 28, 2019, 10:19:38 AM »
Or he could read Babu's Twitter threads, which is where I get my opinions from, and listen to him. But yes on this topic Klopp could do with listening to those who'd like midfield to look different.

This is up there with the worst posts I've ever seen on here

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16597 on: November 28, 2019, 10:54:23 AM »
This is up there with the worst posts I've ever seen on here

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16598 on: November 28, 2019, 12:41:05 PM »
Ok nah I changed my mind, I’m gonna start getting my opinions from Jookie

That’s a bold, and I would say foolish, plan.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #16599 on: November 28, 2019, 01:31:08 PM »







 
Whether it was babu, suzie Q or betty boo, I think the point stands
Champions of Europe and lost once in about 50 odd league games.

What I find 'pretty inexcusable' is fans criticising the manager and saying his decisions are 'inexcusable' after a single draw. Saying you predicted this before the game makes it seem like this is a continued flaw in the team. For me, that doesn't correlate with our results and performances over the last few seasons. How can there be a continued flaw but we are the best team in Europe and have lost 1 league game in about 18 months. Surely if you can see this glaring flaw then Klopp can. Or most other manager's out there can see it.

What would need to happen for some fans to not complain about some aspect of the team?

To be honest I didn't agree with Klopp's team last night. But he probably had reasons to make it. I wonder how much Keita being ill changed things. He obviously wanted to rest Wijnaldum and TAA. I think we may have gone Milner at RB and Keita in midfield if they were both available. It's a long time since Gomez has played RB and Milner has been preferred there ahead of Gomez this season. Maybe the plan was to play a progressive midfielder in Keita but him being unavailable again made this difficult.

Unless a team is perfect it will have flaws

But I agree with you I think Keita might have played, OX may have started as well if he hadn't of had something like 4 starts in about 10 days going into yesterday.

With Fabinho likely out a few games, many will get what they have wanted for a while, as I imagine Ox, keita or lallana will come into the team , in the short term.  I would prefer Gini plays no.6 so that the left sided no.8 can be the attacking option, as Trent might need Jordan infront of him still