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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14880 on: August 26, 2018, 06:42:21 PM »
Yeah early days and the points tally looks nice and the points and hype will probably grow given their next few fixtures but performance wise I've not been impressed at all, Arsenal should have had 6 or 7 and today they were blunt as hell. The 3 names in midfield look nice on paper but there's no goals or creativity in there unless Jorginho gets very far forward, that's not so bad when you have an attack like ours but with theirs I just don't see it being successful. If Costa was still there it could be different. The new goalie looks dodgy as well. Maybe they can hang in there and do some January business or something.

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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14881 on: August 26, 2018, 06:45:30 PM »
They were quite toothless today, and not particularly impressive attacking a low block. Defensively they obviously can be got at, as demonstrated last week by a poor Arsenal side, plus Luiz is the usual calamity waiting to happen.

They have a good chance of finishing top 4, but we're ahead of them as a team, and it's not particularly close.

Considering their possession they were very unimaginative with the ball to be blunt. It was just side to side then back and back until Hazard decided to run in the box and make something happen. They also have some really lazy players like Pedro who is really reluctant to track back. They could be given a lesson by City or ourselves if we're ruthless enough.
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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14882 on: August 27, 2018, 12:44:32 AM »
They'll finish third or fourth, I think.
Yeah, fourth I think is about right for them just because United suck so much.
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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14883 on: August 27, 2018, 03:06:43 AM »
I’m wary of writing them off so soon, they have got 9 from 9 after all. They’re not playing superbly, but it could change. They’re so yo-yo, i find it hard to predict what they’ll do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the title is between us and them, or if they finish 6th.

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« Reply #14884 on: August 27, 2018, 04:10:34 AM »
And £3bn + with a new ground.

No way is that shitstain of a club worth £3bn
a new stadium wouldn't be a requirement though would it ?

To be honest unless your a fan (like that bloke who bid for it) it doesn't make much finiacial sense buying an established club like Chelsea, ourselves etc for that sort of money.

Much more sensible buying a Newcastle, Everton, West Ham style team and building them up.
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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14885 on: August 27, 2018, 09:10:11 AM »
Nah it'll be £2bn+ to include repaying the debt.

I get confused when the likes of Forbes value us at £1.4 billion with £67 million debt and then value Chelsea at £1.5 billion with £1.17 billion debt. I assume Forbes don't look at the debt then when they do their valuation, so if there's is correct, then he's going to be looking for around £2.7 billion for them.

a new stadium wouldn't be a requirement though would it ?

To be honest unless your a fan (like that bloke who bid for it) it doesn't make much finiacial sense buying an established club like Chelsea, ourselves etc for that sort of money.
 
Much more sensible buying a Newcastle, Everton, West Ham style team and building them up.

Is it though these days? Say you buy Everton for £500 million, you're looking at over a £1billion with the current transfer fees to attract the top players. You could go our route and get a Klopp who will build a great squad without breaking the bank, but who is out there to do it? With Chelsea, they are now established, the players are valuable assets (Evertons are worth a bag of crisps and a can of coke)  you may as well pay £1.5 billion and load the rest back onto the club as debt

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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14886 on: August 27, 2018, 10:19:26 AM »
I thought this was a really interesting piece by Ruud Gullit. I agree with his comments for all their possession Chelsea didn't make much from it.

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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14887 on: August 27, 2018, 10:42:00 AM »
I think they are title contenders this season. Their midfield looks pretty amazing, and that bastard Hazard is going to have the best season of his career. He's their x factor when they're about to struggle. However, i think they're one or two injuries away of getting fucked.
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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14888 on: August 27, 2018, 12:06:46 PM »
I’m wary of writing them off so soon, they have got 9 from 9 after all. They’re not playing superbly, but it could change. They’re so yo-yo, i find it hard to predict what they’ll do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the title is between us and them, or if they finish 6th.

This is so true, you look at their games and think ‘this lot are terrible’ and then the grind out the result.

2nd or 6th and nowhere in between
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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14889 on: August 27, 2018, 03:37:17 PM »
This is so true, you look at their games and think ‘this lot are terrible’ and then the grind out the result.

2nd or 6th and nowhere in between

The team they played so far offer very little resistance

Newcastle was barebones + underinvested. Arsenal was in transition and was unlucky not to win.

Their reality check will come when they meet Spurs, City and us where we could easily tear them a new one. Nothing about their play impressed me. Pretty standard football from the 90s

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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14890 on: August 27, 2018, 07:33:59 PM »
I think they are title contenders this season. Their midfield looks pretty amazing, and that bastard Hazard is going to have the best season of his career. He's their x factor when they're about to struggle. However, i think they're one or two injuries away of getting fucked.

I think they're making a big mistake pushing Kante way up the field.  Neither Azpi, Alonso or Jorginho are that mobile and Kante isn't there to put out the fires as he normally would.  Arsenal were tearing them apart as Kante is always behind the play on a turnover but completely changed tactics in the 2nd half which backfired on them.  Eventually you'd think they'll get the balance right.  Until then I think there's going to be some surprising results where they get turned over.  I could easily see our front 3 making a mockery of them if they played the same as they do now against us.

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« Reply #14891 on: August 27, 2018, 07:45:54 PM »
I think they're making a big mistake pushing Kante way up the field.  Neither Azpi, Alonso or Jorginho are that mobile and Kante isn't there to put out the fires as he normally would.  Arsenal were tearing them apart as Kante is always behind the play on a turnover but completely changed tactics in the 2nd half which backfired on them.  Eventually you'd think they'll get the balance right.  Until then I think there's going to be some surprising results where they get turned over.  I could easily see our front 3 making a mockery of them if they played the same as they do now against us.

I def see them as a threat next year for the league title, not this year, Sarri will need time to get them to play exactly like he wants.

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« Reply #14892 on: September 3, 2018, 05:00:01 PM »
What's the general consensus on here about these lot??
They seem to be sneaking under the radar a bit..
And they have history of hitting their straps every other year and under a new manager in his first season..
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« Reply #14893 on: September 3, 2018, 05:01:58 PM »
What's the general consensus on here about these lot??
They seem to be sneaking under the radar a bit..
And they have history of hitting their straps every other year and under a new manager in his first season..

They have another winnable game against Cardiff at home next after the break followed by the derby against West Ham. Too early to tell but a good start for them non the less.

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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14894 on: September 3, 2018, 05:13:02 PM »
Could be a real threat, a lot of folk are comforting themselves by imagining how badly us or city would destroy them, forgetting they could lose all 4 games 5 - 0 and still get 90+ points in this league.  If Morata gets amongst the goals, they could go all the way


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« Reply #14895 on: September 3, 2018, 05:25:10 PM »
Could be a real threat, a lot of folk are comforting themselves by imagining how badly us or city would destroy them, forgetting they could lose all 4 games 5 - 0 and still get 90+ points in this league.  If Morata gets amongst the goals, they could go all the way

IF they are pinning their hopes on Morata they're screwed.

Hazard,Pedro and Willian will get them goals, but will that be enough remains to be seen because neither Morata nor giroud are going to do more than what they've already shown.


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« Reply #14896 on: September 3, 2018, 05:28:36 PM »
They have another winnable game against Cardiff at home next after the break followed by the derby against West Ham. Too early to tell but a good start for them non the less.

Yeah..  they could easily go 7 for 7 and the defensive chinks we saw against Arsenal could well be ironed out by the time we play them..

I'm more concerned about our league game against them at The Bridge than I am about Spuds in 2 weeks..
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« Reply #14897 on: September 3, 2018, 06:31:37 PM »
Yeah..  they could easily go 7 for 7 and the defensive chinks we saw against Arsenal could well be ironed out by the time we play them..

I'm more concerned about our league game against them at The Bridge than I am about Spuds in 2 weeks..

I am not to be honest, they will play both an open game and it suits us most, they dont sit back so we have a good chance of winning. I am more concerned about Spurs than I am Chelsea because Chelsea are still learning how to play while Spurs have been the settle side for the last 3,4 seasons.

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« Reply #14898 on: September 3, 2018, 06:37:24 PM »
Just like us you can only play what's on your schedule and so far they've had everything break their way.  Will that continue?  Based on their underlying numbers you wouldn't think so but we'll see.  I wouldn't be concerned with them until it's Xmas and they are still in it.

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« Reply #14899 on: September 3, 2018, 06:50:10 PM »
Annoying thing is they've been winning while Pedro being arguably one of their best players an despite Morata still being useless in finishing.

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« Reply #14900 on: September 4, 2018, 06:22:49 AM »
I am not to be honest, they will play both an open game and it suits us most, they dont sit back so we have a good chance of winning. I am more concerned about Spurs than I am Chelsea because Chelsea are still learning how to play while Spurs have been the settle side for the last 3,4 seasons.

Hope you are right.. just feel Spuds will be desperate not to fall 6 points behind us and would be desperate for the win after Watford and hopefully that plays into our hands..
Plus it's our first big test of the season and hopefully our players would be up for it..
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« Reply #14901 on: September 4, 2018, 01:49:16 PM »
I'm assuming Spurs don't lose two in a row often, so along with everything else, this would be a huge win. Hoepfully Kane plays 180 minutes on international duty. Whoever said he dropped off since his injury and didn't think he was recovered was spot on.

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« Reply #14902 on: September 4, 2018, 06:30:56 PM »
This won't end well.


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« Reply #14903 on: September 4, 2018, 07:44:30 PM »
I’m wary of writing them off so soon, they have got 9 from 9 after all. They’re not playing superbly, but it could change. They’re so yo-yo, i find it hard to predict what they’ll do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the title is between us and them, or if they finish 6th.

I remember the last time a newly appointed Italian managed them with David Luiz in defence and no European football...

My Chelsea loving landlord is a bit pessimistic ("We avvent got a decent centre back") but I think that because the lack of European football they should be pretty capable.

When we are sending our first string out against PSG at Anfield they'll be spending all week training for the weekend game.

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« Reply #14904 on: September 4, 2018, 08:05:47 PM »
I remember the last time a newly appointed Italian managed them with David Luiz in defence and no European football...

My Chelsea loving landlord is a bit pessimistic ("We avvent got a decent centre back") but I think that because the lack of European football they should be pretty capable.

When we are sending our first string out against PSG at Anfield they'll be spending all week training for the weekend game.
They're in the Europa. He may rest some, but it's still tricky.

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« Reply #14905 on: September 4, 2018, 10:02:34 PM »
I remember the last time a newly appointed Italian managed them with David Luiz in defence and no European football...

My Chelsea loving landlord is a bit pessimistic ("We avvent got a decent centre back") but I think that because the lack of European football they should be pretty capable.

When we are sending our first string out against PSG at Anfield they'll be spending all week training for the weekend game.

They had a good defensive set up under Conte with 3 at the back, they weren't conceding goals, and they had a top class striker up front. They don't have either this time around

They have Europa League, granted their group is crap, but that's up until December.

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« Reply #14906 on: September 4, 2018, 10:59:26 PM »
They're in the Europa. He may rest some, but it's still tricky.

yeah I was about to say - they will have the ugly thursday - sunday games coming along soon.

I don't know how deep their squad is - but like the rest of us - it will be tested soon.

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« Reply #14907 on: September 4, 2018, 11:45:30 PM »
The records may show they beat Newcastle 2-1 and they had 81% possession or whatever it was but I don't give a monkeys, they couldn't score against us in open play despite all that attacking.

Goal number 1 was a pen, given for Sweet FA
Goal number 2 was an own goal by a Toon player.

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« Reply #14908 on: September 5, 2018, 04:56:18 AM »
The records may show they beat Newcastle 2-1 and they had 81% possession or whatever it was but I don't give a monkeys, they couldn't score against us in open play despite all that attacking.

Goal number 1 was a pen, given for Sweet FA
Goal number 2 was an own goal by a Toon player.

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But you know what they say about winning without playing well..  ::)
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« Reply #14909 on: September 5, 2018, 05:50:32 AM »
The records may show they beat Newcastle 2-1 and they had 81% possession or whatever it was but I don't give a monkeys, they couldn't score against us in open play despite all that attacking.

Goal number 1 was a pen, given for Sweet FA
Goal number 2 was an own goal by a Toon player.

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Re: Chelsea Football Circus
« Reply #14910 on: September 23, 2018, 05:48:58 PM »
I haven’t watched them this season, apart from the second half today. Have they been as good as their start suggests?

A good result for us today, puts a little more pressure on them, a little less on us.

Fairly pathetic from the manager, unable to go 90 minutes without a ciggy substitute!

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« Reply #14911 on: September 23, 2018, 05:52:17 PM »
I haven’t watched them this season, apart from the second half today. Have they been as good as their start suggests?

A good result for us today, puts a little more pressure on them, a little less on us.

Fairly pathetic from the manager, unable to go 90 minutes without a ciggy substitute!

We'll be their first real test next weekend.

To be fair on him, he's trying to quit smoking and getting rid of an addiction is always a good thing.

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« Reply #14912 on: September 23, 2018, 05:59:38 PM »
Alonso is only rated because he scores goals, which is mainly due to the fact that he’s constantly out of position and never tracks-back. No positional awareness at all.

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« Reply #14913 on: September 23, 2018, 06:06:17 PM »
I haven’t watched them this season, apart from the second half today. Have they been as good as their start suggests?

A good result for us today, puts a little more pressure on them, a little less on us.

Fairly pathetic from the manager, unable to go 90 minutes without a ciggy substitute!

Yes and no. It certain games more so than others. They have a good midfield and with Hazard and Pedro/Willian they always have a chance to beat most sides. Their defending still needs improving.

Sarri said that the game against us is a bit early for them, they need to improve [his words] and that will need a year of working together to be at our level.

Make of that what you will

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« Reply #14914 on: September 23, 2018, 06:34:28 PM »
Yes and no. It certain games more so than others. They have a good midfield and with Hazard and Pedro/Willian they always have a chance to beat most sides. Their defending still needs improving.

Sarri said that the game against us is a bit early for them, they need to improve [his words] and that will need a year of working together to be at our level.

Make of that what you will

It means that their system isn’t quite up and running yet...  but they’ve still got some terrrific players so they’re always a threat...

They’ve just won five and drawn one, so they’re hardly struggling for form either..

On the flip side, I’m definitely still confident.
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« Reply #14915 on: September 23, 2018, 06:36:05 PM »
It means that their system isn’t quite up and running yet...  but they’ve still got some terrrific players so they’re always a threat...

They’ve just won five and drawn one, so they’re hardly struggling for form either..

On the flip side, I’m definitely still confident.

I agree, they will be in the top four, but a lack of a proper consistent goal-scorer and a back four that works for Sarri will probably derail them from a title challenge. But stranger things have happened.

I am confident because Sarri plays attacking football and that suit's us more than having to play against Conte and his methods.


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« Reply #14916 on: September 23, 2018, 07:45:36 PM »
Can't remember when was the last time that we won against this circus of a club. I believe this time we've got all the tools to get a positive result. If we win the battle in the midfield, we can truly embarrass them, because their defence isn't that great.
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« Reply #14917 on: September 23, 2018, 07:56:07 PM »
Can't remember when was the last time that we won against this circus of a club. I believe this time we've got all the tools to get a positive result. If we win the battle in the midfield, we can truly embarrass them, because their defence isn't that great.

We won in 2016 at the Bridge, Henderson scored a screamer to double our lead after Lovren scored from a volley to give us the lead. They pulled one back via Costa.

We also beat them in 2015 3-1 there during Mourinho's last year.

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« Reply #14918 on: September 23, 2018, 07:56:16 PM »
Can't remember when was the last time that we won against this circus of a club. I believe this time we've got all the tools to get a positive result. If we win the battle in the midfield, we can truly embarrass them, because their defence isn't that great.

It was in 2016, out of the last five we've won one, lost one and drawn three.


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« Reply #14919 on: September 23, 2018, 08:00:36 PM »
Can't remember when was the last time that we won against this circus of a club. I believe this time we've got all the tools to get a positive result. If we win the battle in the midfield, we can truly embarrass them, because their defence isn't that great.

Easy, the season before last at the Bridge with Hendo scoring a screamer. How could anyone forget that?  :o

Last season, they got a flukey equaliser from Willian at Anfield.