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Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« on: July 8, 2012, 12:38:36 PM »
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Liverpool FC has agreed to being officially represented at Liverpool Pride 2012. As the first football club to support a Pride event, LFC will provide a banner featuring the club crest with LFC staff and LFC Ladies FC (the women's team) marching together with LFC LGBT and other supporters at Liverpool Pride.

LFC will also have a stall at the market place selling various LFC merchandise on the day at the Pier Head.

Other football supporters are also welcome on the march and Liverpool Pride may register other team's supporters if you don't want to march behind an LFC banner.

The march musters at William Brown Street from 11am, setting off at midday. We're registered in the march and Liverpool Pride Stewards will be able to direct you to the right part of the muster.

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This is something I spoke to Paul Amman of the Supporter's Committee about a couple months back, and I'm made up that the club have agreed to officially be a part of the celebrations. For a club of our stature to agree to be a part of it is huge. I realise that it's not the biggest commitment in the world from the club, but compared to what most top football clubs are doing for equality and really making an effort to include LGBT supporters, this is brilliant, and a credit to the club and to the city (who incidentally provide the largest free Pride event in the UK, outside of London). 

Anyone who wants to join the march is more than welcome - LGBT or non-LGBT! It's going to be a really good day out.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #1 on: July 8, 2012, 12:48:12 PM »
Good to see.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #2 on: July 8, 2012, 12:51:22 PM »
I think our new manager being in Garlands last night can only enhance the message of peace and love for one and all.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #3 on: July 8, 2012, 12:56:51 PM »
LGBT stand for Lesbian, Gay, Bi and Transexual I take it?

good luck, nice for the club to support equality.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #4 on: July 8, 2012, 01:00:23 PM »
Great to see.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #5 on: July 8, 2012, 01:06:39 PM »
With debates about gay marriage in the church this could be deemed very bold and political of LFC by some.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #6 on: July 8, 2012, 01:23:59 PM »
Great news. Don’t forget that no one walks alone.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #7 on: July 8, 2012, 01:34:02 PM »
Good to see.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #8 on: July 8, 2012, 02:40:05 PM »
Pleased to see this. delighted that intolerant knobheads everywhere will be incandescent... :)
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #9 on: July 8, 2012, 02:53:54 PM »
Reading this makes me proud to support Liverpool  ;D

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #10 on: July 8, 2012, 03:03:57 PM »
Great to see the club making a statement that we are a truly inclusive club. I think too many people who love football feel they will be teased and sniggered at if they support the LGBT cause. Same old backward mentality in football and it needs to be squashed. We are all humans and nobody should ever feel excluded. Well done LFC.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #11 on: July 8, 2012, 03:33:46 PM »
Good on them.

Would be nice to see a few of our male players marching too.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #12 on: July 8, 2012, 03:36:17 PM »
This is a good thing for the club to do and I hope they continue to do more things like this in the future.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #13 on: July 8, 2012, 03:58:51 PM »
This is fantastic news

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #14 on: July 8, 2012, 04:20:25 PM »
Good! It's nice to see the club doing something right for a change.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #15 on: July 8, 2012, 04:21:05 PM »
Well in, lfc. :)

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #16 on: July 8, 2012, 04:38:08 PM »
'As the first football club to support a Pride event, LFC will provide a banner featuring the club crest with LFC staff and LFC Ladies FC (the women's team) marching together with LFC LGBT and other supporters at Liverpool Pride.'

I like the way they clarify that LFC Ladies is actually the womens team  :D

Why is it only the womens team though?

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #17 on: July 8, 2012, 05:04:16 PM »
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But seriously, it's a great statement for the club to make.  Good to see us being pro-active.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #18 on: July 8, 2012, 05:10:32 PM »
Why is it only the womens team though?

Guessing will be busy preparing for the season given its on 4th August.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #19 on: July 8, 2012, 06:01:49 PM »
Very glad to see this news. Well done to all involved.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #20 on: July 8, 2012, 06:23:28 PM »
Very good news, in my opinion.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #21 on: July 8, 2012, 06:31:59 PM »

Why is it only the womens team though?
Would be better if they could send out the mens team too. Small steps though.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #22 on: July 8, 2012, 06:57:58 PM »
This is great!Our club define "YNWA" again!

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #23 on: July 8, 2012, 07:20:11 PM »
Well done to the club for this
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #24 on: July 8, 2012, 10:09:18 PM »
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #25 on: July 8, 2012, 10:51:39 PM »
Good stuff. Proud to be a fan of a club that's willing to take this step.

Stevie G can't go though, if the magazine polls are to be believed he'd get mobbed. :)
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #26 on: July 9, 2012, 09:44:15 PM »
Great gesture.

Would be better if they could send out the mens team too. Small steps though.

Might there possibly be a security issue with the first team?

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #27 on: July 9, 2012, 09:48:23 PM »
Great stuff, LFC. Stand with equality, not bigotry.  :)
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #28 on: July 9, 2012, 10:17:55 PM »
Feel very proud the club is willing to take a stance on this. Well done eveyone involved.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #29 on: July 9, 2012, 10:42:08 PM »
Excellent; a very nice gesture.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2012, 01:38:43 PM »

Why is it only the womens team though?

Because unfortunately there is a huge amount of fear within football surrounding homosexuality, probably for various reasons.

While an openly gay footballer may be accepted by his team-mates he would be open to widespread ridicule from opposition fans, even if there is a general 'we don't tolerate....' statements from all clubs.

The media too would have field day and the player would undoubtedly be hounded by press trying to grab the latest pic of him and his latest beau.  It would take a brave man to put himself in that situation and maintain his on field levels of performance.

While this is a brilliant step by the club, I imagine that many gay footballers remember only too well all the hype and criticism that surrounded Justin Fashinau when he came out, and few would want to repeat that experience.

Fortunately for the women they don't hold the same level of interest for either public or press and so it is easier for them to make their support for this public.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2012, 01:47:58 PM »
Because unfortunately there is a huge amount of fear within football surrounding homosexuality, probably for various reasons.

While an openly gay footballer may be accepted by his team-mates he would be open to widespread ridicule from opposition fans, even if there is a general 'we don't tolerate....' statements from all clubs.

The media too would have field day and the player would undoubtedly be hounded by press trying to grab the latest pic of him and his latest beau.  It would take a brave man to put himself in that situation and maintain his on field levels of performance.

While this is a brilliant step by the club, I imagine that many gay footballers remember only too well all the hype and criticism that surrounded Justin Fashinau when he came out, and few would want to repeat that experience.

Fortunately for the women they don't hold the same level of interest for either public or press and so it is easier for them to make their support for this public.

I think things have changed a lot for the better since Justin Fashanu's day. He came out in 1990, when even Freddie Mercury wasn't publicly admitting to being gay. A high-profile gay footballer will come out in the next two years, I'd put money on it. (Not that I'm claiming to know anything!)
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2012, 02:29:41 PM »
I don't think the problem is within football but outside it.  I hope you are right though.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2012, 02:36:39 PM »
I don't think it would be a problem for first team players to offer support publicly, or join in the parade. Surely that wouldn't make them targets? I agree though we are still a long way to go for male players to come out while playing without fearing the consequences. Hopefully it will change soon though.

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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2012, 02:47:41 PM »
Funny thing is, probably the two most famous gay Englishmen, Stephen Fry and Elton John, have a very deep involvement with the game.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2012, 02:52:04 PM »
I don't think it would be a problem for first team players to offer support publicly, or join in the parade. Surely that wouldn't make them targets? I agree though we are still a long way to go for male players to come out while playing without fearing the consequences. Hopefully it will change soon though.
Don't think supporting the parade would be a problem for the players. Think the problem would more be that if they actually took part, there'd be tons of people wanting pictures and things signed, which might disrupt the march.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2012, 02:53:42 PM »
Don't think supporting the parade would be a problem for the players. Think the problem would more be that if they actually took part, there'd be tons of people wanting pictures and things signed, which might disrupt the march.

Not if they were on a float...

That said, it could then look like football trying to hijack the pride event, which might not go down well.
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2012, 03:01:17 PM »
I think the day of a current player publicly coming out is a few years off yet.

Undoubtedly, who ever that player is, they will always get stick from opposing fans, as thats just how fans are. they will do almost anything to wind up the opposition.

It will take someone with a very strong will, though, as the barracking will unmerciful in some quarters, regardless if the clubs involved have a zero tolerance policy, or as it has and will become more excepted by widespread football society, and the numbsculls are shouted down.

I'm of the opinion though that it would be a lot easier if it's a player who is more widely respected by football fans of all clubs, than one who is just loved by his own club.

Fans will always have hate figures from other clubs, and players that they have more respect for.  If someone like a Gerrard came out, as apposed to a Suarez, or a Lampard instead of a Terry, it would be a lot easier for a player of that calibre, than of a player who is a hate figure, or an undesirable anyway.

It's going to take a player with some balls to be the first to openly come out though (and no pun intended).
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2012, 03:07:05 PM »
I think the FA/PL would just have to announce a zero tolerance policy with penalty of point deductions and banning supporters from travelling. Then the crowd would police itself. The first player would be in the headlines for a couple of weeks, but it would blow over very quickly, and there would probably then be a spate of them.

More likely that a player at the end of his career might come out just as his autobiography hits the shelves...
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Re: Liverpool FC to march at Liverpool Pride 2012
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2012, 03:18:23 PM »
I think the FA/PL would just have to announce a zero tolerance policy with penalty of point deductions and banning supporters from travelling. Then the crowd would police itself. The first player would be in the headlines for a couple of weeks, but it would blow over very quickly, and there would probably then be a spate of them.

More likely that a player at the end of his career might come out just as his autobiography hits the shelves...
Never going to happen, zero tolerance policy or not.

The authorities still can't stop individuals throwing objects, using racially abusive chants, or inflamatory chants and songs such as Hillsborough, Heysel, or even the likes of Millwall fans having a pop ot Spurs fans and using chants about the Holocaust etc.

If they can't fully police that kind of shit now, what makes you think they'll do any better policing homophobia.


On a wider note, why should there be banning orders and points deductions for homophobia when there isn't for the other gobsh*te behaviour?


The footballing authorities have it within them to deal with all such things, but there doesn't seem to be the political will within the sport to do so.  They will pay it lip-service and make an example of, every now and then, when there's a high profile incident or two, but once it dies down, it's very mutch put on the back burner.
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