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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2520 on: April 12, 2012, 09:23:04 PM »
Has Achterberg gone or not?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2521 on: April 12, 2012, 09:24:08 PM »
One thing that sticks a little is the aspect of not feeling that we were going the right way (the owners that is)

To quote Werner

"...we've been dissatisfied, as most supporters have been, with the results so far. But we're also talking about the future - we have a strategy we need implemented and we felt Damien was probably not the right person to implement that strategy."

Now to come to that conclusion they could have been driven by the very metrics/stats etc that we've come to know Commoli loved so much. Could simply be the owners asked what the measures against the strategy were going and what the plan was to progress? The answers possibly left a lot to be desired and so, in effect, they acted to show the strongest rejection of this.

I base that off how many organisations will create roadmaps associated with strategic projects in the first quarter of the year (based off revisions from the end of the previous one). Thinking in line with a typical project management office then tracking this with lots of pictures (slides for the big boys) and the picture just not looking like what the owners expected. Could also be that Commoli couldn't spin/convince them otherwise

Don't know who we'll go for in the future but given the way our owners have been about what they want to see I expect more changes on and off the pitch. If the timing was truly to prevent a leak then granted I get that.
They probably dont trust Comolli making big signings (Downing and Carroll) so they want better value for money, this dosent necassarily mean we will sell either of them, just means we didnt get what we paid for but can both still be kept

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Re: Comolli sacked by mutual consent
« Reply #2522 on: April 12, 2012, 09:24:11 PM »
i strongly agree with you well said.. he just a glorfied scout thats all he is . now wonder he got ditched from tottenham. he wasted a lot of money on average players...but i will still give all the players another full season to prove their worth every one deserves a chance

Yea I should have qualified my post with that. In particular Carroll and Henderson who could turn out to be good players. No point in selling them on the cheap. That would be short sighted. They'll never be a Lucas type bargain but could be big players for us.  I actually agree with people who say we're just a little short of some first team quality players. Our squad is fairly strong.

Don't know if it's been said but in the recent Dion Fanning article that was on this site he said Commoli was being set up as the fall guy. Does anyone know if he was just speculating or did he have inside info. And why would he say set up.[at least I think that was the phrase].

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2523 on: April 12, 2012, 09:24:15 PM »
Just got home from work so I'm a bit late for where this thread is at, but fuck it nearly gave me a heart attack when I heard on dinner time radio news, 'and Liverpool football club have departed company with ............NOOOOOOOOOOOOO please NOOOOOOOOOOOO..... Damien Comolli', thank fuck for that, I tell you if I ever had even 1% of thought to Kenny going it all went in them few seconds, even though I have always supported him the old saying is defo true ' you don't know what you've got until its gone (or nearly in this case). Let's hope this change means we gone in fast for transfers instead of the usual 5 weeks of back and forth before we sign anybody.  Ps when Comolli left Spurs they started to get better, just a thought

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2524 on: April 12, 2012, 09:24:29 PM »
Of course they have diffrent methods, again you havent read the Roan tweet by the looks of it. The inferance is that Bruckner modern style didnt fit in with Kennys traditional ways. I think that is bollocks.

As for it being a typical RAWK response....thanks Mate I am going up in the world.

you mean the tweets that have been pulled?  says it all doesn't it?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2525 on: April 12, 2012, 09:25:13 PM »
Rawk has turned into an episode of Lost

Repetitive and shit?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2526 on: April 12, 2012, 09:25:53 PM »
O.K., I crashed for a few hours, back around page 43.  Has anyone else gotten the axe other than Comolli and Bruckner?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2527 on: April 12, 2012, 09:26:12 PM »
those are actually my numbers

They were Damien's numbers too!

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2528 on: April 12, 2012, 09:27:51 PM »
Of course they have diffrent methods, again you havent read the Roan tweet by the looks of it. The inferance is that Bruckner modern style didnt fit in with Kennys traditional ways. I think that is bollocks.

As for it being a typical RAWK response....thanks Mate I am going up in the world.
Removing a top figure in that department is no doubt significant to reducing their role same as removing Comolli will effect the extent of the use of stats in our player recruitment.
Yes, all the top sports teams in the world do. We do now, and we will do going forward. Do you really think Kenny is stupid and naive enough to drop it? Do you really think FSG would be stupid and naive enough to let him?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2529 on: April 12, 2012, 09:28:27 PM »
Repetitive and shit?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2530 on: April 12, 2012, 09:28:32 PM »
I know Kenny said that he chose to sign those players but I believe that Comolli had a great say in who we targeted and who we signed. This belief is based on what I know of his time from Spurs as well.

For me, his record has been mixed-to-poor at us and Spurs and I think the decision to part ways is a good decision.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2531 on: April 12, 2012, 09:30:27 PM »
I know Kenny said that he chose to sign those players but I believe that Comolli had a great say in who we targeted and who we signed. This belief is based on what I know of his time from Spurs as well.

For me, his record has been mixed-to-poor at us and Spurs and I think the decision to part ways is a good decision.

Think it had more to do with the price we paid for certain players. We overpaid big time for most of the signings while DC was here.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2532 on: April 12, 2012, 09:31:47 PM »
a big thanks to Pete Bruckner. i hope his work stands us in good health for decades to come.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2533 on: April 12, 2012, 09:32:33 PM »
I don't think it's due to the nature of the signings or the way they turned out, but the lack of any real coups and the fact we overpaid ALOT on a few targets. They obviously want a better negotiator in the role and someone with a keen eye for up and coming talent across the globe.
Yes. Also probably means whoever comes in will want to bring there own scouts in or Kenny will want his own scouts, if he doesn't rate the current ones. Comolli's whole scouting network seemed to centre around England, Holland and Uruguay. Being French and coming from that League he shold have had his figure on the pulse in that League, yet Newcastle and Alan Carr's fucking Dad pissed all over it. Comolli and his scouting network and the deals he has overseen, are looking like a very expensive fuck up.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2534 on: April 12, 2012, 09:33:02 PM »
22, 35, 16, 7, 20, 6

the amounts we paid for players signings since january 2011  ;D

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2535 on: April 12, 2012, 09:33:06 PM »
I really don't know the answer to that.

I'd imagine it's not really a management decision and rather a decision (and hefty investment) coming from fairly high up.

It's not really a type of management phylosphy is it - it's actual proven science that improves both general fitness and injury recovery. What manager wouldn't want this?
It certainly does help but to what extent? Every club has injuries some more than others. If sports science was the miracle cure surely everyone would be doing it. Just to clarify I am not against its use in the same way I am not against using stats to judge players but it is not a perfect science and not all managers would put too much significance to them.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2536 on: April 12, 2012, 09:33:09 PM »
Heard 5 have been jibbed off. Comolli, Bruckner and who else?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2537 on: April 12, 2012, 09:34:30 PM »
I know Kenny said that he chose to sign those players but I believe that Comolli had a great say in who we targeted and who we signed. This belief is based on what I know of his time from Spurs as well.

I remember David Pleat commenting on Radio 5 just after we appointed Comolli, that Comolli had in fact had virtually nothing to do with buying the future 'stars ' of Tottenham at all (Bale etc) and that he was, 'slightly surprised' at his appointment here. Not sure who did do the buying at Spurs, but it wasn't, apparently, Comolli.

Whatever the case - bit bizarre no? Timing bizarre. Apparently, he just sorted out the targets on behalf of Kenny and yet he gets it in the neck going by the statements. That's surely got to be a heap of shit as why sack the middle man?

A typical fudge which is fast becoming the norm sadly. There'll be another massive fudge this summer.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2538 on: April 12, 2012, 09:35:40 PM »
Think it had more to do with the price we paid for certain players. We overpaid big time for most of the signings while DC was here.

That's an overstatement
We overpaid for Downing and Carroll (with Carroll being directly sanctioned by FSG it seems they were determined to get someone that window)
We underpaid for Suarez and Enrique
Probably about right on the rest (Henderson maybe slightly over)

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2539 on: April 12, 2012, 09:35:55 PM »
Think it had more to do with the price we paid for certain players. We overpaid big time for most of the signings while DC was here.

Yeah thats my taking on it too.  Kenny might have wanted the players but the amount paid was OTT
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2540 on: April 12, 2012, 09:36:01 PM »
Heard 5 have been jibbed off. Comolli, Bruckner and who else?
Hearsay.



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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2541 on: April 12, 2012, 09:37:03 PM »
Jeez. there's some f*cking guesswork going on in here tonight.


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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2542 on: April 12, 2012, 09:37:04 PM »
I think the best things Comolli achieved here was getting shut of the deadwood that was lingering around. I wont credit him with Suarez because his insulting low bids nearly sunk the deal.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2543 on: April 12, 2012, 09:37:20 PM »
It certainly does help but to what extent? Every club has injuries some more than others. If sports science was the miracle cure surely everyone would be doing it. Just to clarify I am not against its use in the same way I am not against using stats to judge players but it is not a perfect science and not all managers would put too much significance to them.

It's not just about getting injured players back fit, it's about identifying and preventing injuries, working in weaknesses in players, etc. I can't see how a manager can put too much significance on them as they can with stats.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2544 on: April 12, 2012, 09:38:13 PM »
I've been busy working today so never had the chance to read the tens of pages. The last two pages I did read but have been huge guessing work instead of judging the facts.

Decisions needed to be made over the recruitment of players and it seems like some choices have been made.

Hope FSG finally appoint a successful management structure that helps us be as successful as possible.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2545 on: April 12, 2012, 09:38:23 PM »
FSG showing their intent and letting people know they mean business. Funny thing but all I keep on hearing about is Brian Barwick and Rick Parry consulting FSG. Don't know if it's true or not.

Barwick is/was employed to review media output or something... he may have done it now though.... he was/is reporting to Ayre.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2546 on: April 12, 2012, 09:41:48 PM »
That's an overstatement
We overpaid for Downing and Carroll (with Carroll being directly sanctioned by FSG it seems they were determined to get someone that window)
We underpaid for Suarez and Enrique
Probably about right on the rest (Henderson maybe slightly over)

No we didn't underpay for Suarez and Enrique at all.

We overpaid for all the signings apart from Bellamy.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2547 on: April 12, 2012, 09:42:02 PM »
Hearsay.



Naaah, I just can't keep it up, am puzzled.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2548 on: April 12, 2012, 09:42:13 PM »
Yeah thats my taking on it too.  Kenny might have wanted the players but the amount paid was OTT

Yet had we not got them, Comolli would have been charged with failing to get the players Kenny wanted. Lose lose for him really. And price has clearly not been the issue, if Downing was a free signing he'd still been a major disappointment, he was definitely Kenny's signing. 

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Re: Telegraph - Comolli sacked
« Reply #2549 on: April 12, 2012, 09:47:13 PM »
That'll help our terrible form - As we all know, he gives the team talks as well as playing up front.

I wouldn't blame him. I'd blame the new tactics of Kenny and Steve Clarke or whoever. Why else have players turned bad who had brilliant seasons last year? Kuyt, Downing, Adam, not a coincidence.

Brilliant season? Downing? Kuyt? Adam?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2550 on: April 12, 2012, 09:47:17 PM »
No we didn't underpay for Suarez and Enrique at all.

We overpaid for all the signings apart from Bellamy.

Surely we got Charlie "£10 Million Quid Corners" Adam on the cheap?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2551 on: April 12, 2012, 09:47:27 PM »
It's not just about getting injured players back fit, it's about identifying and preventing injuries, working in weaknesses in players, etc. I can't see how a manager can put too much significance on them as they can with stats.
If they couldn't fix Carra hoofing then what good are they?

Seriously though, I think some managers may feel coach and training would fix weaknesses in players, and some players have weaknesses that just can't be fixed (Aurelio, Agger). It's definitely useful but it depends on how much the management want to rely on them.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2552 on: April 12, 2012, 09:49:29 PM »
My thoughts are thus: What you pay for a player is irrelevant, it's what you get from them. The fact remains that ON THE PITCH, Carroll has not looked like the player he was at Newcastle, Downing has been poor. Don't see anyone praising Comolli for getting Suarez in who, for me, is worth more than what we paid for him.

If I was a shopkeeper and I ordered my stockist to get the items in I wanted and they didn't sell, why would I fire the bloke who just did the negotiating?

The problem is, the results meant there needed to be a scapegoat and Comolli was the easiest one to take the bullet. Kenny is just as culpable in my eyes and I find it absolutely amazing that nobody spotted the flaws in the Best of British transfer policy.

Enrique and Suarez have been the best value for money in my opinion and both foreign. You tell me when was the last English player to justify his price tag?

As much as Kenny is a legend, he is not immune from criticism and he has dropped a major rick in the transfer market. Rafa got accused of bringing in shite, but at least it was cheap.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2553 on: April 12, 2012, 09:50:38 PM »
I assume dc was working within a budget.

If the players were bought within that budget and as with most signings you would give them some time to settle I don't think he got the sack due to the signings directly.

 If Kenny wanted those players and dc bought them within the framework set out then why the sack? I mean haven't we only spent 40 million net and reduced the wage bill?

If he overspent it is because they allowed it and Kenny agreed it.

There must be more to it than downing is shite or whatever.  These are business people in a multi million pound industry. Maybe the perceived value of the assets bought and the prices paid at that time in comparison to now shows a loss if we were to sell the players bought in the morning but that's not very long term thinking is it?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2554 on: April 12, 2012, 09:53:43 PM »
No we didn't underpay for Suarez and Enrique at all.

We overpaid for all the signings apart from Bellamy.
Oh goodness no



Suarez was about par....
Carroll, way over par
Adam was cheap because of his contract situation
Enrique was cheaper than he should have been because of other issues.
Henderson..... Depends what we actually paid for him, £20m is way too much, £13m probably isn't too bad
Downing.... Yeah too much
Coates.... Maybe we could have got him a wee bit cheaper. ... But may be the link up with national will pay dividends...

But I don't think this is about overpaying.... It's about getting value .... They're not the same thing.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2555 on: April 12, 2012, 09:54:56 PM »
Oh goodness no



Suarez was about par....
Carroll, way over par
Adam was cheap because of his contract situation
Enrique was cheaper than he should have been because of other issues.
Henderson..... Depends what we actually paid for him, £20m is way too much, £13m probably isn't too bad
Downing.... Yeah too much
Coates.... Maybe we could have got him a wee bit cheaper. ... But may be the link up with national will pay dividends...

But I don't think this is about overpaying.... It's about getting value .... They're not the same thing.

Adam wasn't cheap mate, he was on the last year of his contract and stated he wanted out.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2556 on: April 12, 2012, 09:55:08 PM »
Oh goodness no



Suarez was about par....
Carroll, way over par
Adam was cheap because of his contract situation
Enrique was cheaper than he should have been because of other issues.
Henderson..... Depends what we actually paid for him, £20m is way too much, £13m probably isn't too bad
Downing.... Yeah too much
Coates.... Maybe we could have got him a wee bit cheaper. ... But may be the link up with national will pay dividends...

But I don't think this is about overpaying.... It's about getting value .... They're not the same thing.

Bit soon to judge value though isn't it?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2557 on: April 12, 2012, 09:55:12 PM »
and Coates - probably will end up a steal.
Henderson in the end might be worth the money, but not yet
People in south America thought we could have got coates cheaper..... Still probably a snip in years to come though...
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2558 on: April 12, 2012, 09:56:14 PM »
I'm glad he's gone and even when things were going well in the league towards the end of last season I was hearing stories that all wasn't well with him & Kenny.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2559 on: April 12, 2012, 09:56:39 PM »
Bit soon to judge value though isn't it?
I think we can be pretty certain downin wasn't good value can't we?

We paid £20m for him and he's delivered very little and is now 28 and we would never get £20m back for him....
He's not value which ever way you look at it is he?
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