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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14000 on: July 10, 2019, 09:59:50 AM »
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14001 on: July 10, 2019, 10:05:12 AM »
Steve Bruce backed in to favourite :lmao

Man, that's like being knifed in the buttocks for 11 months.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14002 on: July 10, 2019, 10:51:27 AM »
Feel sorry for their fans to be honest.
This club should be top half of the league every season it’s that big
Can’t see how they won’t go down this year


Inclined to agree with you. It’s a shame that More of them haven’t spoke with their feet like Paul has on here and refused to go to games. All these little protests they have done have had fuck all affect.

Their squad is borderline championship standard after losing Perez and Rondon. They had probably one of the best managers in the league in Benitez (up there with Klopp, Guardiola, and Poch) and Ashley didn’t back him

Would he sell even if they went back to the Championship again? im not so sure

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14003 on: July 10, 2019, 11:00:01 AM »
Inclined to agree with you. It’s a shame that More of them haven’t spoke with their feet like Paul has on here and refused to go to games. All these little protests they have done have had fuck all affect.

Their squad is borderline championship standard after losing Perez and Rondon. They had probably one of the best managers in the league in Benitez (up there with Klopp, Guardiola, and Poch) and Ashley didn’t back him

Would he sell even if they went back to the Championship again? im not so sure

He won’t sell because it’s a money making asset that also gives him a ton of profile

And by the way I’m really shocked no ones bought them in the last 12 months .
I actually don’t think his valuation is unreasonable as it goes (if it really is 300 million) - although it probably involves a big upfront payment to pay off the clubs loans to him!!
There are only so many football clubs and very few with a 50k stadium in a city of 2 million people with no competition from other clubs

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14004 on: July 10, 2019, 12:22:27 PM »
They deserve to be relegated if they're replacing Rafa with Steve fucking Bruce!!!

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14005 on: July 10, 2019, 12:23:25 PM »
He won’t sell because it’s a money making asset that also gives him a ton of profile

And by the way I’m really shocked no ones bought them in the last 12 months .
I actually don’t think his valuation is unreasonable as it goes (if it really is 300 million) - although it probably involves a big upfront payment to pay off the clubs loans to him!!
There are only so many football clubs and very few with a 50k stadium in a city of 2 million people with no competition from other clubs

There should be people queuing up to buy them.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14006 on: July 10, 2019, 12:24:33 PM »
Be fucking hilarious if they got Steve Bruce
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14007 on: July 10, 2019, 12:27:05 PM »
There should be people queuing up to buy them.

Yeah - I wonder if when it actually comes to it Ashley is totally unreasonable, wants a ton of money up front, more than the publicised asking price etc - it doesn't make sense otherwise they're a really attractive proposition

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14008 on: July 10, 2019, 12:27:26 PM »
They deserve to be relegated if they're replacing Rafa with Steve fucking Bruce!!!
definitely

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14009 on: July 10, 2019, 12:31:26 PM »
definitely

Its like trading in a Ferrari for a wheelbarrow
That's actually harsh on the wheelbarrow.

Steve Bruce.  :lmao

From Rafa to ... Steve. Bruce.  :shocked
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14010 on: July 10, 2019, 12:45:36 PM »
definitely

Its like trading in a Ferrari for a wheelbarrow

More like trading in a Ferrari for a kick in the balls... and having to pay for the privilege.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14011 on: July 10, 2019, 01:29:27 PM »
He won’t sell because it’s a money making asset that also gives him a ton of profile

And by the way I’m really shocked no ones bought them in the last 12 months .
I actually don’t think his valuation is unreasonable as it goes (if it really is 300 million) - although it probably involves a big upfront payment to pay off the clubs loans to him!!
There are only so many football clubs and very few with a 50k stadium in a city of 2 million people with no competition from other clubs

Yes, that’s a huge sticking point.

From https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-paid-mike-ashley-33million-16146748:
“It leaves £111million in debt, which was accrued after Ashley bought the club. That money is “only repayable in the even of a sale of the club”.”

Thus, on top of the new owner paying £300m to Ashley for his shares, they’d also need to loan enough to the company for the company to be able to return £111m to Ashley (which is separate from the shares tx). Effectively, £411m up front (but with the club owing the new owners £111m - unless they treated it as equity).
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14012 on: July 10, 2019, 01:38:17 PM »
Be fucking hilarious if they got Steve Bruce

Why would they go for him? I doubt Ashley for one would sanction the volume of player turnover he typically has. And then there is the Sunderland connection. Sanchez Flores is their best realistic option

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14013 on: July 10, 2019, 01:48:08 PM »
Why would they go for him? I doubt Ashley for one would sanction the volume of player turnover he typically has. And then there is the Sunderland connection. Sanchez Flores is their best realistic option

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14014 on: July 10, 2019, 02:15:57 PM »
Why would they go for him? I doubt Ashley for one would sanction the volume of player turnover he typically has. And then there is the Sunderland connection. Sanchez Flores is their best realistic option
Senseless as it might be, the Beeb reckon he's under consideration - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48938536
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14015 on: July 10, 2019, 02:28:36 PM »
So what exactly is going on with the sale to the sheikh?  I thought paperwork had been submitted to the PL some weeks ago, but is it yet again another false dawn and turnaround by Fat Mike?

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14016 on: July 10, 2019, 02:49:04 PM »
That's actually harsh on the wheelbarrow.

Steve Bruce.  :lmao

From Rafa to ... Steve. Bruce.  :shocked

Imagine going from Rafa Benitez  to Roy Hodgson Steve Bruce.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14017 on: July 10, 2019, 02:51:45 PM »
Why would they go for him? I doubt Ashley for one would sanction the volume of player turnover he typically has. And then there is the Sunderland connection. Sanchez Flores is their best realistic option

Because Ashley doesn't give a shit and Bruce would be happy for a job and multi million pound payoff when he got the sack?
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14018 on: July 10, 2019, 03:37:57 PM »
So what exactly is going on with the sale to the sheikh?  I thought paperwork had been submitted to the PL some weeks ago, but is it yet again another false dawn and turnaround by Fat Mike?

It was all bullshit. The sheikh couldn’t even show he had £25m when FSG wanted to vet him after he approached about investing in LFC.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14019 on: July 10, 2019, 03:49:23 PM »
Ashley and Bruce would be utopia, just what the scruffs deserve

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14020 on: July 10, 2019, 04:18:14 PM »
Yes, that’s a huge sticking point.

From https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-paid-mike-ashley-33million-16146748:
“It leaves £111million in debt, which was accrued after Ashley bought the club. That money is “only repayable in the even of a sale of the club”.”

Thus, on top of the new owner paying £300m to Ashley for his shares, they’d also need to loan enough to the company for the company to be able to return £111m to Ashley (which is separate from the shares tx). Effectively, £411m up front (but with the club owing the new owners £111m - unless they treated it as equity).

It is even worse than that Newcastle are tied into long term contracts with a variety of Ashley's companies on onerous terms. From Sports Direct, through security to catering virtually everything goes through Ashley's umbrella companies.

One thing does need to be said: in the post-Benitez era, there was media-led clamour (but also some politicking going on at the club) to make the club more English; the idea being that the club had lost the very essence of what it means to be ‘Liverpool’. Guillem Ballague 18/11/10

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14021 on: July 10, 2019, 04:30:07 PM »
It is even worse than that Newcastle are tied into long term contracts with a variety of Ashley's companies on onerous terms. From Sports Direct, through security to catering virtually everything goes through Ashley's umbrella companies.

Basically the same way Trump bills his own secret service for millions when he stays at Mar a Lago.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14022 on: July 10, 2019, 05:33:50 PM »
Basically the same way Trump bills his own secret service for millions when he stays at Mar a Lago.

Just for the record..I used to play golf with someone who was with the Secret Service. Who then went on to be a local Director of Homeland Security. ( and btw, he always had a suitcase packed in his boot with his necessary weapon as well, in case he got a call to report at any time)

They get paid regardless. What someone in the Secret Service prefers, is a job away from their home location. Then they get to claim expenses. If it's local, they receive very little in the way of expenses.

The President being based in Washington DC has a specialized Secret Service crew. Anytime the President moves out of the Capitol, regardless of whom that is, they get their expenses taken care of. Same with the Vice President.

Also, all Ex-Presidents and their families have Secret Service protection as well. So do the Senate and House of Representative majority leaders. ( Currently McConnell and Pelosi ).
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14023 on: July 10, 2019, 05:47:32 PM »
^^^ what I meant was that the Trump organisation bills the secret service for facilities they use at Trump's resorts or buildings - so he effectively profits from the US taxpayer via his own security detail.

In a similar manner, Newcastle are effectively paying Mike Ashley to be owned by him - in ways that go far beyond merely him taking a dividend.  Same as we had with the cowboys.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14024 on: July 10, 2019, 05:58:35 PM »
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14025 on: July 10, 2019, 06:01:24 PM »
^^^ what I meant was that the Trump organisation bills the secret service for facilities they use at Trump's resorts or buildings - so he effectively profits from the US taxpayer via his own security detail.

In a similar manner, Newcastle are effectively paying Mike Ashley to be owned by him - in ways that go far beyond merely him taking a dividend.  Same as we had with the cowboys.

So you think hotel properties should allow the Secret Service to stay for free?

My son and I were in New Orleans when VP Biden was there. We stayed 2 blocks away. The Hotel he stayed at, per a pub across the street where hotel staff drank, cleared the entire property of unrelated guests. Biden was in his suite. The Secret Service had the entire floors above and below to themselves. Everyone was vetted who were there.

Mar a Lago is nothing more than a resort. Who would lose money giving away rooms for free.

If Trump chose to stay somewhere else, the government still has to pay for Secret Service protection.


Edit: Had to go look at the map, but VP Biden stayed at the Waldorf Astoria.

https://www.therooseveltneworleans.com/health/waldorf-astoria-spa.html

I suggest you check out room prices there. Especially the Presidential Suite.

He was there two nights.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14026 on: July 10, 2019, 06:08:55 PM »
Ashley and Bruce would be utopia, just what the scruffs deserve

Yep,perfect mix, fatbelly & fathead, & if Bruce get's the job, how the hell does he keep getting jobs. :butt

Oh & that'll be 6 points guaranteed to Man Utd as well, a fathead managed team has never beaten Man Utd. :no
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14027 on: July 10, 2019, 06:47:11 PM »
The fans who sing "Feed the scousers" are picking up scraps.  The irony is beautiful.   ;D
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14028 on: July 10, 2019, 06:58:32 PM »
So you think hotel properties should allow the Secret Service to stay for free?

My son and I were in New Orleans when VP Biden was there. We stayed 2 blocks away. The Hotel he stayed at, per a pub across the street where hotel staff drank, cleared the entire property of unrelated guests. Biden was in his suite. The Secret Service had the entire floors above and below to themselves. Everyone was vetted who were there.

Mar a Lago is nothing more than a resort. Who would lose money giving away rooms for free.

If Trump chose to stay somewhere else, the government still has to pay for Secret Service protection.


Edit: Had to go look at the map, but VP Biden stayed at the Waldorf Astoria.

https://www.therooseveltneworleans.com/health/waldorf-astoria-spa.html

I suggest you check out room prices there. Especially the Presidential Suite.

He was there two nights.

You are spectacularly missing the point he's making  ;D
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14029 on: July 10, 2019, 06:59:00 PM »

'Rafa Benítez: "I've had more meetings in China than in three years at Newcastle"':-

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14030 on: July 10, 2019, 07:02:01 PM »
You know what. maybe he's just thought "Fuck it, I'm fed up with all the bullshit I've had to deal with in my last couple of jobs. Here's a job that pays very well, gets me away from the fucking media here, will allow me some decent team funds without all the behind the scenes shit, and you know what I might even get to manage and build a team like I want to."

And I think he fucking deserves to take whatever so called cop out job he wants. He earned that right for me years ago.

Can we not just stop beating around the bush and say ‘he’s gone purely for the money’. And move on.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14031 on: July 10, 2019, 08:30:20 PM »
So you think hotel properties should allow the Secret Service to stay for free?

My son and I were in New Orleans when VP Biden was there. We stayed 2 blocks away. The Hotel he stayed at, per a pub across the street where hotel staff drank, cleared the entire property of unrelated guests. Biden was in his suite. The Secret Service had the entire floors above and below to themselves. Everyone was vetted who were there.

Mar a Lago is nothing more than a resort. Who would lose money giving away rooms for free.

If Trump chose to stay somewhere else, the government still has to pay for Secret Service protection.


Edit: Had to go look at the map, but VP Biden stayed at the Waldorf Astoria.

https://www.therooseveltneworleans.com/health/waldorf-astoria-spa.html

I suggest you check out room prices there. Especially the Presidential Suite.

He was there two nights.

My point is that there was a very bad stink over this when it started,  as it was seen as the president was personally enriching himself. There were plenty of articles about it at the time if you want to look them up.

EDIT: not only does it potentially violate the emoluments clause (and let's face it, violating stuff is Trump's M.O.), but there was also talk that the Trump organisation was deliberately hiking the prices to ridiculous levels so it was costing the secret service far more than it otherwise should.  And I think we can both agree that Trump Tower is no Waldorf Astoria.

Oh, and remember he's had over 100 golfing days at Mar o Lago.  Even if you're VERY conservative over what that costs - say, $500k a time - that's stupid money that's going directly to the Trump organisation.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14032 on: July 10, 2019, 09:00:02 PM »
Can we not just stop beating around the bush and say ‘he’s gone purely for the money’. And move on.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14033 on: July 10, 2019, 10:06:00 PM »
My point is that there was a very bad stink over this when it started,  as it was seen as the president was personally enriching himself. There were plenty of articles about it at the time if you want to look them up.

EDIT: not only does it potentially violate the emoluments clause (and let's face it, violating stuff is Trump's M.O.), but there was also talk that the Trump organisation was deliberately hiking the prices to ridiculous levels so it was costing the secret service far more than it otherwise should.  And I think we can both agree that Trump Tower is no Waldorf Astoria.

Oh, and remember he's had over 100 golfing days at Mar o Lago.  Even if you're VERY conservative over what that costs - say, $500k a time - that's stupid money that's going directly to the Trump organisation.

Well, i've not missed your point, as someone suggested.

The President can stay wherever he likes. Don't think for one minute that previous Presidents didn't enrich their campaign donors by staying at their properties. So it may not have been part of their own empire but part of someone else's who just happen to enrich their coffers another way. Dirty laundry abounds.

I doubt the Waldorf gave Biden or the secret service a discounted rate for staying there just because he was a Democrat. I do know, per staff, that other guests had to be accommodated elsewhere to clear floors and make room for his stay. I'm going to suggest the government was billed full rate for all rooms. Although I don't know for a fact but based on staff, the Waldorf wasn't doing things on the cheap.


Personally, I don't care where any of the Presidents stay on their travels. There's more important things to worry about.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14034 on: July 10, 2019, 10:15:03 PM »
Well, i've not missed your point, as someone suggested.

The President can stay wherever he likes. Don't think for one minute that previous Presidents didn't enrich their campaign donors by staying at their properties. So it may not have been part of their own empire but part of someone else's who just happen to enrich their coffers another way. Dirty laundry abounds.

I doubt the Waldorf gave Biden or the secret service a discounted rate for staying there just because he was a Democrat. I do know, per staff, that other guests had to be accommodated elsewhere to clear floors and make room for his stay. I'm going to suggest the government was billed full rate for all rooms. Although I don't know for a fact but based on staff, the Waldorf wasn't doing things on the cheap.


Personally, I don't care where any of the Presidents stay on their travels. There's more important things to worry about.

Guess what?

Or he could read Babu's Twitter threads, which is where I get my opinions from

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14035 on: July 10, 2019, 10:15:16 PM »
Well, i've not missed your point, as someone suggested.

The President can stay wherever he likes. Don't think for one minute that previous Presidents didn't enrich their campaign donors by staying at their properties. So it may not have been part of their own empire but part of someone else's who just happen to enrich their coffers another way. Dirty laundry abounds.

I doubt the Waldorf gave Biden or the secret service a discounted rate for staying there just because he was a Democrat. I do know, per staff, that other guests had to be accommodated elsewhere to clear floors and make room for his stay. I'm going to suggest the government was billed full rate for all rooms. Although I don't know for a fact but based on staff, the Waldorf wasn't doing things on the cheap.


Personally, I don't care where any of the Presidents stay on their travels. There's more important things to worry about.

Remember when you thought Trump would become presidential upon taking office  ;D How you can't see anything wrong with a President enriching his family so brazenly at the cost of tax payers is insane.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14036 on: July 10, 2019, 10:19:51 PM »
Well, i've not missed your point, as someone suggested.
Will you just fuck off with this shit so we can go back to facepalming the Newcastle?

Start a Trump-blowing thread or something in the appropriate place; please ensure it's clearly-titled so I for one can ignore it
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14037 on: July 10, 2019, 10:22:03 PM »
Remember when you thought Trump would become presidential upon taking office  ;D How you can't see anything wrong with a President enriching his family so brazenly at the cost of tax payers is insane.

Well, no.

Prove it to me.

You've got me confused with someone else. As one, never voted for him. Two, could give a damn about him.


My original point was about the Secret Service as I had a pretty good idea  how that works when it comes to expenses and charges due to actually knowing someone who was in that department.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14038 on: July 10, 2019, 10:22:42 PM »
Will you just fuck off with this shit so we can go back to facepalming the Newcastle?

Start a Trump-blowing thread or something in the appropriate place; please ensure it's clearly-titled so I for one can ignore it

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitezless
« Reply #14039 on: July 10, 2019, 10:36:27 PM »
Can we not just stop beating around the bush and say ‘he’s gone purely for the money’. And move on.

Think he's gone there for a rest cure. Much less pressure, can just enjoy football for a season. Good on him.