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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7360 on: June 14, 2019, 08:46:02 AM »
I read he hasn't scored since November in Japan. Not sure how much sympathy he'll get from other Reds (personally I forgave him years ago and look back on his time here very fondly now) but from a pure footballing point of view, very sad to see the decline of what was once arguably the best #9 on the planet.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7361 on: June 14, 2019, 10:20:02 AM »
Yeah, I have nothing against Torres, he was a great player for us.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7362 on: June 14, 2019, 12:35:32 PM »
Well, it should be time for Torres to hang up his boots sooner rather than later, he's had a great run, it was unfortunate he never won anything at Liverpool, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. Him never winning a league either was also tough luck given the clubs he played for.

Since 2007 his teams ended up 4-2-7-2-6-3-3-3-3-3-2. At least he won that Champions League medal and those tournaments with Spain, so I'm sure he'll be fine regardless.

I think he would make a really good coach or manager in the future too. Seems like he's intelligent and when his body was up for it he was really able to exploit weaknesses in opposition defences. Never really the most technically proficient player, but had a savage shot and great movement. When he went past players though, it was more about pace than technique. That's what separated him negatively from Messi and Ronaldo even back then and once the pace went away, he was a sitting duck.

Still, for me, I'd say as a centre-forward at his peak I'd hold him higher than Fowler and Owen. It's a shame it didn't last long enough, but that's life.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7363 on: June 14, 2019, 12:38:38 PM »
I read he hasn't scored since November in Japan.

To be fair the league only started again on 23rd Feb after finishing in late Nov and he's managed 519 mins over 10 games.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7364 on: June 14, 2019, 12:39:00 PM »
I read he hasn't scored since November in Japan. Not sure how much sympathy he'll get from other Reds (personally I forgave him years ago and look back on his time here very fondly now) but from a pure footballing point of view, very sad to see the decline of what was once arguably the best #9 on the planet.

Why would you be sad?

He didn’t go to Japan to further his career  ;D
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7365 on: June 14, 2019, 07:11:56 PM »
Why would you be sad?

He didn’t go to Japan to further his career  ;D
Yes, he went there for the money, but you'd still hope to see more from him in a weak league. But I wasn't just talking about Japan, I mean he's been a shadow of his former self for years now, probably since he went to Chelsea in the first place, with a few decent spells in between. He's the first great Liverpool striker of my lifetime (I was alive at the tail-end of Fowler and Owen's time here but too young to really appreciate them) and one of my favourite players of all time, so yeah - I do think it's sad how far he dropped.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7366 on: June 14, 2019, 11:23:51 PM »
I mean he's been a shadow of his former self for years now, probably since he went to Chelsea in the first place

The signs were there when he was still with us near the end.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7367 on: June 15, 2019, 02:50:23 AM »
He did well enough for Atletico when he came back, in the first couple of seasons and at least he won silverware with them by the time it was all said and done.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7368 on: June 18, 2019, 12:34:48 PM »
Yes, he went there for the money, but you'd still hope to see more from him in a weak league. But I wasn't just talking about Japan, I mean he's been a shadow of his former self for years now, probably since he went to Chelsea in the first place, with a few decent spells in between. He's the first great Liverpool striker of my lifetime (I was alive at the tail-end of Fowler and Owen's time here but too young to really appreciate them) and one of my favourite players of all time, so yeah - I do think it's sad how far he dropped.

I think I’d be sad if he was smashing it in Japan and still had ‘it’
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7369 on: June 18, 2019, 01:42:35 PM »
I think I’d be sad if he was smashing it in Japan and still had ‘it’

In the Richard Keys sense or just generally?
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7370 on: June 18, 2019, 01:54:23 PM »
The signs were there when he was still with us near the end.
It got glossed over because we had bigger problems on and off field, but by his final season here he was a shadow of the player he once was. The injuries took their toll, he went from electrifying to ponderous.

Torres in his debut season might be the most I've ever enjoyed watching a single player. After years of failures in the transfer market I can't describe how exciting it was to have a genuinely world class centre forward who terrorised defences. By the time he left though he was heavy footed and unthreatening.

Never forgiven him for leaving us for Chelsea. That's not to say I have any grudge against him, I just have no connection.  He's in the same camp as someone like Suarez. In both cases the players considered Liverpool a stepping stone.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7371 on: June 18, 2019, 04:44:55 PM »
It got glossed over because we had bigger problems on and off field, but by his final season here he was a shadow of the player he once was. The injuries took their toll, he went from electrifying to ponderous.

Torres in his debut season might be the most I've ever enjoyed watching a single player. After years of failures in the transfer market I can't describe how exciting it was to have a genuinely world class centre forward who terrorised defences. By the time he left though he was heavy footed and unthreatening.

Never forgiven him for leaving us for Chelsea. That's not to say I have any grudge against him, I just have no connection.  He's in the same camp as someone like Suarez. In both cases the players considered Liverpool a stepping stone.

I think Suarez considered us a stepping stone more than Torres. Suarez was always going to end up Spain, where as I think Torres left out of frustration and the mess we were in at the time.

I haven't forgiven him for leaving for Chelsea, I think he panicked in the end.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7372 on: June 18, 2019, 09:42:31 PM »
Fernando Torres discusses Liverpool's appearance in the Champions League Final (in English);

Fernando Torres : "Klopp est génial"

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Fernando Torres, l'ancien attaquant de Liverpool, avoue dans un entretien exclusif pour Goal / DAZN qu'il aurait adoré évoluer sous les ordres de Jürgen Klopp chez les Reds. Et il explique pourquoi. #UCLfinal  🎬

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7373 on: Yesterday at 01:43:42 PM »
It got glossed over because we had bigger problems on and off field, but by his final season here he was a shadow of the player he once was. The injuries took their toll, he went from electrifying to ponderous.

Torres in his debut season might be the most I've ever enjoyed watching a single player. After years of failures in the transfer market I can't describe how exciting it was to have a genuinely world class centre forward who terrorised defences. By the time he left though he was heavy footed and unthreatening.

Never forgiven him for leaving us for Chelsea. That's not to say I have any grudge against him, I just have no connection.  He's in the same camp as someone like Suarez. In both cases the players considered Liverpool a stepping stone.

Torres was actually banging them in left, right and centre his final few games for us. Granted, it was against Bolton, Blackpool and Wolves, but a noticeable improvement was found there. I was really surprised when he dropped off right when switching teams.

Either way, as for the final statement, I think it's not true at all. Torres signed when we'd come from two Champions League finals in two years, explicitly to win the Premier League and the Champions League. Atlético were rather mediocre at the time, he'd never go to Real and Barcelona would also have been an unlikely transfer to someone as Madrileño as Torres is. Abroad was his only option for winning things and had the clowns not swindled the money and we'd been able to have the players Rafa wanted such as Villa partnering him up front, then it would've been a different story altogether. As it was, the trifecta of the Alonso/Mascherano departures, the Rafa departure and what to Torres felt like a lack of ambition broke the final straw of the camel. While it's easy to say that he shouldn't have gone to Chelsea, for us to sell him for £50 million at that time, the way we did, was one of the best moves ever.

The Torres + Babel sales paid for Suárez and Carroll and then we sold those for about £90 million in total - in other words crucial money later added to the balance that resulted in Firmino, Mané and Salah arriving here. They cost a total of £105 million or thereabouts, almost £90 million of which you could trace back to letting Torres leave. While Sterling was sold too cheap and should've had add-ons taking it to £75 million, Torres was a great deal for the club.
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