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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7360 on: June 14, 2019, 08:46:02 AM »
I read he hasn't scored since November in Japan. Not sure how much sympathy he'll get from other Reds (personally I forgave him years ago and look back on his time here very fondly now) but from a pure footballing point of view, very sad to see the decline of what was once arguably the best #9 on the planet.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7361 on: June 14, 2019, 10:20:02 AM »
Yeah, I have nothing against Torres, he was a great player for us.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7362 on: June 14, 2019, 12:35:32 PM »
Well, it should be time for Torres to hang up his boots sooner rather than later, he's had a great run, it was unfortunate he never won anything at Liverpool, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. Him never winning a league either was also tough luck given the clubs he played for.

Since 2007 his teams ended up 4-2-7-2-6-3-3-3-3-3-2. At least he won that Champions League medal and those tournaments with Spain, so I'm sure he'll be fine regardless.

I think he would make a really good coach or manager in the future too. Seems like he's intelligent and when his body was up for it he was really able to exploit weaknesses in opposition defences. Never really the most technically proficient player, but had a savage shot and great movement. When he went past players though, it was more about pace than technique. That's what separated him negatively from Messi and Ronaldo even back then and once the pace went away, he was a sitting duck.

Still, for me, I'd say as a centre-forward at his peak I'd hold him higher than Fowler and Owen. It's a shame it didn't last long enough, but that's life.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7363 on: June 14, 2019, 12:38:38 PM »
I read he hasn't scored since November in Japan.

To be fair the league only started again on 23rd Feb after finishing in late Nov and he's managed 519 mins over 10 games.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7364 on: June 14, 2019, 12:39:00 PM »
I read he hasn't scored since November in Japan. Not sure how much sympathy he'll get from other Reds (personally I forgave him years ago and look back on his time here very fondly now) but from a pure footballing point of view, very sad to see the decline of what was once arguably the best #9 on the planet.

Why would you be sad?

He didn’t go to Japan to further his career  ;D
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7365 on: June 14, 2019, 07:11:56 PM »
Why would you be sad?

He didn’t go to Japan to further his career  ;D
Yes, he went there for the money, but you'd still hope to see more from him in a weak league. But I wasn't just talking about Japan, I mean he's been a shadow of his former self for years now, probably since he went to Chelsea in the first place, with a few decent spells in between. He's the first great Liverpool striker of my lifetime (I was alive at the tail-end of Fowler and Owen's time here but too young to really appreciate them) and one of my favourite players of all time, so yeah - I do think it's sad how far he dropped.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7366 on: June 14, 2019, 11:23:51 PM »
I mean he's been a shadow of his former self for years now, probably since he went to Chelsea in the first place

The signs were there when he was still with us near the end.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7367 on: June 15, 2019, 02:50:23 AM »
He did well enough for Atletico when he came back, in the first couple of seasons and at least he won silverware with them by the time it was all said and done.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7368 on: June 18, 2019, 12:34:48 PM »
Yes, he went there for the money, but you'd still hope to see more from him in a weak league. But I wasn't just talking about Japan, I mean he's been a shadow of his former self for years now, probably since he went to Chelsea in the first place, with a few decent spells in between. He's the first great Liverpool striker of my lifetime (I was alive at the tail-end of Fowler and Owen's time here but too young to really appreciate them) and one of my favourite players of all time, so yeah - I do think it's sad how far he dropped.

I think I’d be sad if he was smashing it in Japan and still had ‘it’
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7369 on: June 18, 2019, 01:42:35 PM »
I think I’d be sad if he was smashing it in Japan and still had ‘it’

In the Richard Keys sense or just generally?
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7370 on: June 18, 2019, 01:54:23 PM »
The signs were there when he was still with us near the end.
It got glossed over because we had bigger problems on and off field, but by his final season here he was a shadow of the player he once was. The injuries took their toll, he went from electrifying to ponderous.

Torres in his debut season might be the most I've ever enjoyed watching a single player. After years of failures in the transfer market I can't describe how exciting it was to have a genuinely world class centre forward who terrorised defences. By the time he left though he was heavy footed and unthreatening.

Never forgiven him for leaving us for Chelsea. That's not to say I have any grudge against him, I just have no connection.  He's in the same camp as someone like Suarez. In both cases the players considered Liverpool a stepping stone.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7371 on: June 18, 2019, 04:44:55 PM »
It got glossed over because we had bigger problems on and off field, but by his final season here he was a shadow of the player he once was. The injuries took their toll, he went from electrifying to ponderous.

Torres in his debut season might be the most I've ever enjoyed watching a single player. After years of failures in the transfer market I can't describe how exciting it was to have a genuinely world class centre forward who terrorised defences. By the time he left though he was heavy footed and unthreatening.

Never forgiven him for leaving us for Chelsea. That's not to say I have any grudge against him, I just have no connection.  He's in the same camp as someone like Suarez. In both cases the players considered Liverpool a stepping stone.

I think Suarez considered us a stepping stone more than Torres. Suarez was always going to end up Spain, where as I think Torres left out of frustration and the mess we were in at the time.

I haven't forgiven him for leaving for Chelsea, I think he panicked in the end.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7372 on: June 18, 2019, 09:42:31 PM »
Fernando Torres discusses Liverpool's appearance in the Champions League Final (in English);

Fernando Torres : "Klopp est génial"

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Fernando Torres, l'ancien attaquant de Liverpool, avoue dans un entretien exclusif pour Goal / DAZN qu'il aurait adoré évoluer sous les ordres de Jürgen Klopp chez les Reds. Et il explique pourquoi. #UCLfinal  🎬

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7373 on: June 19, 2019, 01:43:42 PM »
It got glossed over because we had bigger problems on and off field, but by his final season here he was a shadow of the player he once was. The injuries took their toll, he went from electrifying to ponderous.

Torres in his debut season might be the most I've ever enjoyed watching a single player. After years of failures in the transfer market I can't describe how exciting it was to have a genuinely world class centre forward who terrorised defences. By the time he left though he was heavy footed and unthreatening.

Never forgiven him for leaving us for Chelsea. That's not to say I have any grudge against him, I just have no connection.  He's in the same camp as someone like Suarez. In both cases the players considered Liverpool a stepping stone.

Torres was actually banging them in left, right and centre his final few games for us. Granted, it was against Bolton, Blackpool and Wolves, but a noticeable improvement was found there. I was really surprised when he dropped off right when switching teams.

Either way, as for the final statement, I think it's not true at all. Torres signed when we'd come from two Champions League finals in two years, explicitly to win the Premier League and the Champions League. Atlético were rather mediocre at the time, he'd never go to Real and Barcelona would also have been an unlikely transfer to someone as Madrileño as Torres is. Abroad was his only option for winning things and had the clowns not swindled the money and we'd been able to have the players Rafa wanted such as Villa partnering him up front, then it would've been a different story altogether. As it was, the trifecta of the Alonso/Mascherano departures, the Rafa departure and what to Torres felt like a lack of ambition broke the final straw of the camel. While it's easy to say that he shouldn't have gone to Chelsea, for us to sell him for £50 million at that time, the way we did, was one of the best moves ever.

The Torres + Babel sales paid for Suárez and Carroll and then we sold those for about £90 million in total - in other words crucial money later added to the balance that resulted in Firmino, Mané and Salah arriving here. They cost a total of £105 million or thereabouts, almost £90 million of which you could trace back to letting Torres leave. While Sterling was sold too cheap and should've had add-ons taking it to £75 million, Torres was a great deal for the club.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7374 on: June 21, 2019, 06:40:40 AM »
Retiring at the end of the season

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7375 on: June 21, 2019, 07:48:33 AM »
What a player he was
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7376 on: June 21, 2019, 07:49:18 AM »
On Torres..... he hadnt been any good for a while before he left

We got good money for him and yeah he coulda left without saying shit but

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7377 on: June 21, 2019, 09:16:13 AM »
those saying he had dropped a level before leaving, maybe he had but we were devastated when he left.

07-8 torres was something else.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7378 on: June 21, 2019, 09:16:26 AM »
Still love him. Am over the way he left now and hold him in higher regard than I do Suarez.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7379 on: June 21, 2019, 09:24:46 AM »
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7380 on: June 21, 2019, 10:02:16 AM »
Good luck to him!

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7381 on: June 21, 2019, 10:15:05 AM »
He broke my heart
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7382 on: June 21, 2019, 10:48:46 AM »
Muchos gracias.

What a show he put on at his peak. While he might not have scored as many in one season as Suárez and Salah - he wasn't second to them in 2007-2008 and kept a standard at 99 % of that level the two following seasons even with all the injuries, until he got one too many. He was also one of the better defensive forwards in the world. I recall when we were one man down at Benfica and Torres alone kept the whole back four occupied while they tried to play the ball out. Fantastic player and all the best for him. For me, he'd be welcome as an LFC ambassador and playing for the LFC legends any day of the week.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7383 on: June 21, 2019, 11:00:49 AM »
Was absolutely gutted when he left. Can still remember seeing that picture of him posted on here of him training on his own one day while waiting for his move to go through. Very sad the way it all ended. Fantastic player for us though and scored some forever-memorable goals.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7384 on: June 21, 2019, 11:04:07 AM »
His partnership with Gerrard was telepathic at times. Great player for us and seemed like a calm family man off the pitch.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7385 on: June 21, 2019, 11:23:11 AM »
Yeah, I have nothing against Torres, he was a great player for us.
my kids adored Torres, their first real Liverpool superstar .
always loved watching him in red and loved the chant.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7386 on: June 21, 2019, 11:28:07 AM »
Absolutely adored him and he broke my heart, but I made peace with it all eventually and loved singing his song again at the charity game he played in.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7387 on: June 21, 2019, 11:56:33 AM »
Just re-watched a video of all his goals. Some of his individual play was unbelievable. Broke our hearts but will be remembered as a great.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7388 on: June 21, 2019, 12:38:09 PM »
As someone else said... as a defender for ANY team, when you saw a young Nando step out in a long sleeve Liverpool shirt, white T90's and a headband around his long bleached blonde hair.... this was your usual reaction:



It's a great shame the way he left us but he wanted to win something and he knew Liverpool at the time was not in a place to offer him that, we can say "what if" with Torres and Suarez up front but we still weren't good enough elsewhere... anywho I am over that and wish him all the best, Prime Nando at Liverpool will forever be class, he was pure ruthless, at the time Vidic was probably world's best defender or Top 3 anyway and he made him look like an amateur.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7389 on: June 21, 2019, 12:53:42 PM »
what a player he was!

 in his prime in team.. just imagine


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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7390 on: June 21, 2019, 01:13:57 PM »
Just rewatched the winning goal he scored in the Euro 2008 final for Spain against Germany. Amazing - he was electrifying at the time. The drop off from when he moved to Chelsea was astounding.

I just hated that he left for Chelsea and then the stuff he said immediately afterwards. We were like a dog that was being kicked when it was down. I am thankful for the likes of Agger that defended our honour at the time, because I felt like real shit as a Liverpool supporter around that period.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7391 on: June 21, 2019, 01:16:52 PM »
He was absolute world class, was performing almost at Messi and Ronaldo's level at times.

I know I'll be in the minority here but when he left, I felt nothing. He was playing like Voronin towards the later stages and it just wasn't working out for him. He even took that form to Chelsea so we made the right decision selling him and bringing in Suarez.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7392 on: June 21, 2019, 01:17:24 PM »
He won a few things at Chelsea. But was second fiddle to Drogba. He was finished the season he left us. £50m at time was great deal for us, just a shame we took £35m and spent it on a donkey with a pony tail.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7394 on: June 21, 2019, 01:26:48 PM »
Good luck to Fernando in whatever he does next - I wonder if he will consider coaching?

What a player. That speed, strength and ruthless finishing is such a rare and deadly combination. I always had complete faith that whenever he was one-on-one with the goalkeeper, it was a goal, but what I'll remember the most is the goals he scored that he had absolutely no right to, like that volley against Blackburn or that bending shot against Chelsea... and the time he barged past Vidic like he was nothing. ;D He could do pretty much anything. I bet Jurgen would absolutely love him.

Amazing player and he'll always be a Red in my book. Said a page or so back, for fans of my age, he is the first great #9 we've ever watched. We've been blessed with some extraordinary forwards since - Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho, Mane, Salah, Bobby, Ings - but it's very hard to beat a peak Nando. Legendary Liverpool #9! :scarf

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7395 on: June 21, 2019, 01:32:13 PM »
His legacy will be that his last game for us was Keys and Gray's last game for Sky (3-0 win vs Wolves). What a legacy.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7397 on: June 21, 2019, 01:47:39 PM »
Good luck to Fernando in whatever he does next - I wonder if he will consider coaching?

What a player. That speed, strength and ruthless finishing is such a rare and deadly combination. I always had complete faith that whenever he was one-on-one with the goalkeeper, it was a goal, but what I'll remember the most is the goals he scored that he had absolutely no right to, like that volley against Blackburn or that bending shot against Chelsea... and the time he barged past Vidic like he was nothing. ;D He could do pretty much anything. I bet Jurgen would absolutely love him.

Amazing player and he'll always be a Red in my book. Said a page or so back, for fans of my age, he is the first great #9 we've ever watched. We've been blessed with some extraordinary forwards since - Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho, Mane, Salah, Bobby, Ings - but it's very hard to beat a peak Nando. Legendary Liverpool #9! :scarf

Always a red!? Seriously I don’t bear any grudges and wish him well, but he left us for Chelsea and said some shit about us afterwards. You’re getting blinded by the romance of the good times now time has passed. Let’s not jump to the extreme of saying “he will always be a red”. Just not true.

Only those that help us in the trenches and lift us when we are down, stick around in the bad times, don’t talk smack about the club ... they’re the ones that will always be a red.

As I said, zero hard feelings and I wish him well. He gave us some great times.
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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7398 on: June 21, 2019, 02:01:19 PM »
Always a red!? Seriously I don’t bear any grudges and wish him well, but he left us for Chelsea and said some shit about us afterwards. You’re getting blinded by the romance of the good times now time has passed. Let’s not jump to the extreme of saying “he will always be a red”. Just not true.

Only those that help us in the trenches and lift us when we are down, stick around in the bad times, don’t talk smack about the club ... they’re the ones that will always be a red.

As I said, zero hard feelings and I wish him well. He gave us some great times.
I did say in my opinion, I appreciate others won't feel the same.

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Re: Fernando Torres
« Reply #7399 on: June 21, 2019, 02:09:25 PM »
https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2017/04/fernando-torres-on-his-anfield-exit-a-complete-chapter-from-ring-of-fire-liverpool-into-the-21st-century-the-players-stories/

“Yes, Stevie in some ways is similar to me: more reserved and shy. On the pitch, it is different. There is an aura around him. You feel it as a team-mate. The opponent feels it because they know what is coming. He understood everything about me. I just needed to move into the space and the first thing he would try to do is find me. And he did, whether it was with a long or a short pass. Stevie was the player that completed my game. I will never find someone like him again.”


Nando & Stevie  :'( :'( :'( :'( not crying


Also that article is very interesting and very sad - like I said I get why he left, at 27 and that he didn't have the time to hang around for another rebuild job, as he said, he was getting on, his speed which was part of his "bite" was leaving him and the club didn't seem that intent on keeping him.


It's a great shame the way it all unfolded, I still like Torres mind, objectively if I think with a non-LFC head on I can see it's just a job and they go where they can win but as a supporter it hurt, especially for those shites.


Either way I still remember his time with us fondly and forgive him for wanting better than we could give him at the time.
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