Topic: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here

[L666KOP]

now. I ask again have you ever, as a fan of this club, known Kenny Dalglish to take mediocrity from any of his players lying down.

and steel balls as well mate, first job this season was to bench Carra.
Neither Rafa nor Hodgson had the balls to do it.

[Mutton Geoff]

A few posters have tried to corner me into "saying" something i clearly didn't say too.

It's a bit sad, really.


I think it originates from some sort of mistaken belief that if you outwardly question things you must be either:

- A Manc WUM  (i've been called it few times)
- A Kenny hater
- Kneejerker
- Wanker
- Any combination of the above.

As opposed to seeing things ex-footballers, pundits, other highly intelligent fans and managers also see.  Imagine.

Well mate they can't all be wrong, so far you want Kenny out, you praise united little realising they are were they are because sadly they stuck with a manager despite his lack of success , you think Jose would be an option and now you bring in the hodgson's comparisons every one of your posts is designed for the reactions your getting, they are not coherent you say one thing in this thread something else in another thread , you contradict yourself all the time in order to get a response, and then you cry foul when challenged, given that what's one to think hey?

Sorry hinesy this was after your post, I will leave it at that now.

[Colin]

I'm sorry mate but I'm not havin this.

We have had a poor chance conversion rate this season. Which means that we have had a lot of poor results.

And?

This is such a fallacy.

How many clean chances do we actually even create?

Not as many as you'd think on here. 

Most of our chances are poor ones and even when the good ones are made, our players don't flood forward (this HAS to be the manager, sorry Kenny) whatsoever. 

When are we going to fix this conversation thingy?  It's not an entitlement.  This whole "well if we scored those times we'd be forth".  It's embarrassing logic.  We didn't, we continue not to and we show little sign of doing so.  Give it up.

However, to say that we have been poor is just not true. Apart from 3 games this season (Spurs where we ended up with 9, Bolton where we started with one, and Wigan where we played for 11 for a few periods of the game, none for the rest), our performances have been genuinely decent to watch. Performances that (if we had managed to convert 50% of our chances) most people, including the press, would be raving about.

If's and but's over 30 games. 

What started this mentality?  I can't have it mate.  I'm sorry.  It's all too familiar.  It's useless, it's futile and its desperate.

Sure, due to our lack of goals our performances havent got us the points those performances deserve.

So we can't score but we deserve to win?  The object of the game is to score - we can't - we deserve nothing. 

But to compare the level of football we've "mostly" played this season to the dregs that Hodgson served up is a complete misinterpretation of whats been going on this season. And its one that seems to be gathering pace around here.

True and false.

True because we have been better for the most part.

But false because whilst people like to remember our 1-0 loss to Wolves at Anfield as a new low, and a way to remember Hodgson, while at the same time ignoring the Bolton performance and many others this season.  We crumbled against QPR.  Tired.  We simply got beat by Wigan at home.  Tired and poor.   Sunderland?  I dunno, unlucky? 

I can empathise with people saying we're playing better than our results show but even under Rafa in his final year this was often the case.  If you cant convert that into results then it's not much good.

[Harinder]

Harinder, here i go:

One doesn't have to think he's went senile to have their concerns about whether he mightn't be the man for the job to take us back into the top 4 and the top 2 , top spot, thereafter.  It's a fucking massive job - as you well know. 

Damn right he can put the media in its place when necessary.  We all love Kenny, he's Mr.Liverpool.

The silverwear is great, but it is there Carling Cup and there is alot more going on than that (obviously).  It's a start.

Last season, he did.  Immensely. 

This season, without considering last season, we've been poor, very poor for large portions.   Hodgson poor, with a Carling Cup thrown in to soften our otherwise dire league form.  I'm grateful for small mercys, of course.

True for sure.  Chelsea have been awful themselves at times though.


Not sure where you're going with this?  You could use this to justify every footballing failure if you wished.

We've been shit against most teams and currently have a losing run unlike any winning run we've had all season.  THat's just how it is.

Instead of progressing over the course of the season we've got worse.  Teams love playing us right now.  Our expensive average players have been sorely exposed and have showed tragic little flair or ability.  Where is the magic?  Outside of Suarez and Gerrard, it's hard to find much flair in an expensive emsemblement of a team.


Still haven't made any sense of this last quote.

Outside of the hardcore Kop , many supporters, even the most die hard fans are deeply concerned about the stat of the club on the pitch.  When i was over 7 weeks ago i got a solid feeling of that concern.  No doubt it's got alot worse since.  So i reject your implication that im a kneejerker (lol, seriously??) or a wanker.  I'm an honest fan who doesn't like what he sees and can honestly say i think we're going in a questionable direction this season HENCE the need for redirection in the summer.  My mind is open as to whether that'll be Kenny taking charge or not.

I'll make sense of the last quote for you. Your 90% is based at a point in time. The span of which seems to be small. That 90% breakdown as you stated is a straw poll at best. Teams that love playing us right now? So earlier this year Stoke came and played out a draw. If Pulis was rubbing his hands who had the last laugh? Who else do you think is sitting their and really thinking we fancy a bit of Liverpool right now? The Arsenal got lucky. They even admitted as such.

We haven't got worse. What we've done is be more like a sine wave. Up then down then up then down. The tipping point to stay up no-one denies is a finisher. There is a whole tread on the fundamentals.

Direction wise I feel it will change before the season is out. Simply because the man at the helm hurts more than others.

Do the same 90% you meet see that pain? No stream will show you that. No forum will translate that image. We do though know when Kenny hurts we hurt... Those that know what he's about. Those that trust that. That isnt blind. That's real faith.


And Hinesy. I've read what you've said so leaving it there.

[Colin]

Well mate they can't all be wrong, so far you want Kenny out, you praise united little realising they are were they are because sadly they stuck with a manager despite his lack of success , you think Jose would be an option and now you bring in the hodgson's comparisons every one of your posts is designed for the reactions your getting, they are not coherent you say one thing in this thread something else in another thread , you contradict yourself all the time in order to get a response, and then you cry foul when challenged, given that what's one to think hey?

I cant converse with someone who continues to put words in my mouth.

Never once did i recommend Jose. 

Any Hodgson references are in reference to facts (results, not opinion)

Did i fuck praise Utd - you simply choose to see what you want to see.

[Colin]

Direction wise I feel it will change before the season is out. Simply because the man at the helm hurts more than others.

Sentiment over objectiveness.

Seriously, is that your reasoning?  We'll improve because it hurts Kenny when we play bad?

Can't you see how barking mad this is?

We would never have got so fucking bad if it was based on the "how Kenny feels-omometer"

I wish i could live in coocoo land like this but i can't.

On the law of averages we're BOUND to improve a bit but i'd be shocked if we can stringe 3 consecutive wins together (dont think we have all season, either).

Do the same 90% you meet see that pain? No stream will show you that. No forum will translate that image. We do though know when Kenny hurts we hurt... Those that know what he's about. Those that trust that. That isnt blind. That's real faith.

If only pain made Carroll into a 35million pound player, Downing more than decent and Hendo into a Gerrard.  Sentiment, my friend, is oh so wonderful but it's a luxury.

[Shanks1965]

I once watched Kenny in a press conference, a broken man, stepping down from a club and a job he loved. In recent weeks I've seen the beginnings of a similar pressure growing on his face. I dont want this to end like it did before. I never again want to see him crushed by the job. He is doing this FOR US and he feels every dissapointment a thousand times more than any of us do. So how about from now until the end of the season we all take deep breath and put every ounce of our energy into getting behind him and giving him our full support. You never know.... it might make a difference.

[Harinder]

Sentiment over objectiveness.

Seriously, is that your reasoning?  We'll improve because it hurts Kenny when we play bad?

Can't you see how barking mad this is?

We would never have got so fucking bad if it was based on the "how Kenny feels-omometer"

I wish i could live in coocoo land like this but i can't.

On the law of averages we're BOUND to improve a bit but i'd be shocked if we can stringe 3 consecutive wins together (dont think we have all season, either).


If only pain made Carroll into a 35million pound player, Downing more than decent and Hendo into a Gerrard.  Sentiment, my friend, is oh so wonderful but it's a luxury.

Isn't sentiment what your 90% is on? You know? Those fans you asked who opined and therefore used their sentiments.

And no. My reasoning is a little more than just 3/4 games.

Does your stream show a ball going places or the team as a whole? If the latter thats quite some stream. One that only you have.

[Blade]

I once watched Kenny in a press conference, a broken man, stepping down from a club and a job he loved. In recent weeks I've seen the beginnings of a similar pressure growing on his face. I dont want this to end like it did before. I never again want to see him crushed by the job. He is doing this FOR US and he feels every dissapointment a thousand times more than any of us do. So how about from now until the end of the season we all take deep breath and put every ounce of our energy into getting behind him and giving him our full support. You never know.... it might make a difference.

All the true LFC supporters know this and are firmly behind Kenny. As for the rest, fuck them.

[Mutton Geoff]

Sentiment isn't going to win us the PL that's for sure.

Like you, im not saying to sack Kenny but if we finish this season weekly things will certainly need to be reviewed and should be.  I think that's fair enough.

Man Utd would never settle for what the malaise that we've been through the past 20 years.  Someone needs to step up and change our path and so far everyone seems to have their fingers on their lips like little school boys. 

[Hij]

Sentiment over objectiveness.

Seriously, is that your reasoning?  We'll improve because it hurts Kenny when we play bad?

Can't you see how barking mad this is?

We would never have got so fucking bad if it was based on the "how Kenny feels-omometer"

I wish i could live in coocoo land like this but i can't.

On the law of averages we're BOUND to improve a bit but i'd be shocked if we can stringe 3 consecutive wins together (dont think we have all season, either).


If only pain made Carroll into a 35million pound player, Downing more than decent and Hendo into a Gerrard.  Sentiment, my friend, is oh so wonderful but it's a luxury.

Your beginning to fucking grate now. If you want success every single season fuck off and support the Mancs.

It's not all sentiment. But there's nothing wrong with having a little bit of faith that the manager will be able to fix things. And as for the chances, it's not a fallacy. I'm more and more convinced your here on the wind up.

[Red Cez]

I once watched Kenny in a press conference, a broken man, stepping down from a club and a job he loved. In recent weeks I've seen the beginnings of a similar pressure growing on his face. I dont want this to end like it did before. I never again want to see him crushed by the job. He is doing this FOR US and he feels every dissapointment a thousand times more than any of us do. So how about from now until the end of the season we all take deep breath and put every ounce of our energy into getting behind him and giving him our full support. You never know.... it might make a difference.

Amen.

[Hij]

Man Utd would never settle for what the malaise that we've been through the past 20 years.

Remind me of the duck Alex Ferguson broke and how long it took him you bellend. Jesus Christ.

[Colin]

Isn't sentiment what your 90% is on? You know? Those fans you asked who opined and therefore used their sentiments.

And no. My reasoning is a little more than just 3/4 games.

Does your stream show a ball going places or the team as a whole? If the latter thats quite some stream. One that only you have.

Mate, im sorry but my "sentiment" is based on LFC, not one man (iconic or not). 

[Hinesy]

Colin, you may have missed my post. Back on topic or I'll have to lock this topic or take other action. thanks.

[Colin]

Your beginning to fucking grate now. If you want success every single season fuck off and support the Mancs.

It's not all sentiment. But there's nothing wrong with having a little bit of faith that the manager will be able to fix things. And as for the chances, it's not a fallacy. I'm more and more convinced your here on the wind up.

Even if it's not a fallacy, unless we buy a van persie and a david silva, what do you expect to change?

[Mutton Geoff]

90% of neutrals, probably about 70% of LFC fans that i've spoke to.

RAWK is not a good representation of LFC fans, particularly when most candid threads get locked.

[Colin]

fuckin hell. Back on topic please. This is about Kenny's conferences and INTERVIEWS HERE, not blah blah you said this and you said that.

Sorry Hinsey, you're right.

[shelovesyou]

Yes, that's true.

I feel that even FSG have noticed this and this is why they want to back Kenny and have done.

Henry wanted us to come in the top 4 for obvious reasons.  We spent accordingly and we're missed out by a mile.  This is where my concern lies.  Not sure how this is impatience.  FSG will be equally unimpressed with our league form.  Anyone that isn't really isn't tuned in.

There is a huge difference in being dissapointed in our league performances and also realising the realities of not only our situation but the situation of the clubs we are trying to compete with.
Everyone is naturally dissapointed in our league form but its not as simple as that.
Giving up on the manager now is beyond ridiculous and extremely short sighted.
You want success NOW and if it doesnt come when it suits you, you want change.
Just wait. Wait and see.

[Hij]

Even if it's not a fallacy, unless we buy a van persie and a david silva, what do you expect to change?

Goals to go in. Draws to be converted into wins. Points levels to go up.

Though clearly not those two players. The squads ok, but it does need a couple of extra additions.

[Hinesy]

I've unlocked this but please keep it on the topic of Kenny's speeches etc. Not the potential of what might be.

[trigger]

I once watched Kenny in a press conference, a broken man, stepping down from a club and a job he loved. In recent weeks I've seen the beginnings of a similar pressure growing on his face. I dont want this to end like it did before. I never again want to see him crushed by the job. He is doing this FOR US and he feels every dissapointment a thousand times more than any of us do. So how about from now until the end of the season we all take deep breath and put every ounce of our energy into getting behind him and giving him our full support. You never know.... it might make a difference.

great post

[Pistolero]

All the true LFC supporters know this and are firmly behind Kenny. As for the rest, fuck them.

very much this....sick of reading undiluted shite from clueless ungrateful gloryhunting tools ....they can all get to fuck...the club would be far better off without them.


In King Kenny we trust.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

fuckin hell. Back on topic please. This is about Kenny's conferences and INTERVIEWS HERE, not blah blah you said this and you said that.

I know that song

[bigbear]

Our DNA isn't that different than Arsenal's.  In fact we have consistently outspent them, haven't we?

I think 3-4th would be fair.  A well run LFC would be consistently around there without a shadow of a doubt mate.  The odd season maybe 5th but a good season - 1st or 2nd, under a good, well backed, manager.

I think that's fair, yeah? 

You mean where we were 3 years ago in 2009 before the club got ripped apart.

We lost really good players since then in Alonso, Mascherano, Torres as well as Champions League football which Rafa always had to sell to his potential targets.

Kenny took over a broken group of players who had just been embarrassed and outplayed totally by Blackburn and lifted expectations. Maybe he lifted expectations too much but whether you value it or not from your live streaming, I've beento Wembley this year and seen us lift a cup, secure a European spot and I'm going back there in a few weeks to hopefully see us book another final place.

I've also witnessed some good performances especially in the first half of the season with some decent football played and promising signs. I do want things to get better and was gutted on the way home on Saturday but then I was gutted at half time v Olympiakos, gutteda at half time in Istanbul, gutted at Wembley in 2006 with a minute to go - get the picture.

It's called supporting and anybody who isn't prepared to give Kenny a decent amount of time is for me, not a supporter.

[vagildi]

There is a huge difference in being dissapointed in our league performances and also realising the realities of not only our situation but the situation of the clubs we are trying to compete with.
Everyone is naturally dissapointed in our league form but its not as simple as that.
Giving up on the manager now is beyond ridiculous and extremely short sighted.
You want success NOW and if it doesnt come when it suits you, you want change.
Just wait. Wait and see.

Kenny needs time - he has not had a full season yet.
When you saw the mess we were in under Hodgson he has got us further than I expected in just about 12 months, but there is a way to go.

[Colin]

Anyone who wants to continue this debate take it to http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=291641.200   as I've already agreed to Hinesy not to lock the thread on the proviso that we don't derail it any further.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

You mean where we were 3 years ago in 2009 before the club got ripped apart.

We lost really good players since then in Alonso, Mascherano, Torres as well as Champions League football which Rafa always had to sell to his potential targets.

Kenny took over a broken group of players who had just been embarrassed and outplayed totally by Blackburn and lifted expectations. Maybe he lifted expectations too much but whether you value it or not from your live streaming, I've beento Wembley this year and seen us lift a cup, secure a European spot and I'm going back there in a few weeks to hopefully see us book another final place.

I've also witnessed some good performances especially in the first half of the season with some decent football played and promising signs. I do want things to get better and was gutted on the way home on Saturday but then I was gutted at half time v Olympiakos, gutteda at half time in Istanbul, gutted at Wembley in 2006 with a minute to go - get the picture.

It's called supporting and anybody who isn't prepared to give Kenny a decent amount of time is for me, not a supporter.

I have to say that while I may not always agree with the older supporters, they will do well to learn from you and how you explain things to people on here. I have never met you but I have alot of respect for you and they way you engage people who have different views from yours without hostility but instead try to encourage people to be positive.

There are some people on here who are no doubt just trying to wind people up some have genuine concerns, some are just frustrated and want to let off some steam. The sooner some people on here realize that greeting them with hostility because they say something about Kenny you deem out of order will only make things worse the better it will be for everyone.

[muyuu]

I trust KK to have the judgement to decide when he wants/should go. He should never be hounded out and definitely not when the team is undergoing reconstruction.

4th was out of the question 2 weeks ago already, now relax.

[Blade]

You mean where we were 3 years ago in 2009 before the club got ripped apart.

We lost really good players since then in Alonso, Mascherano, Torres as well as Champions League football which Rafa always had to sell to his potential targets.

Kenny took over a broken group of players who had just been embarrassed and outplayed totally by Blackburn and lifted expectations. Maybe he lifted expectations too much but whether you value it or not from your live streaming, I've beento Wembley this year and seen us lift a cup, secure a European spot and I'm going back there in a few weeks to hopefully see us book another final place.

I've also witnessed some good performances especially in the first half of the season with some decent football played and promising signs. I do want things to get better and was gutted on the way home on Saturday but then I was gutted at half time v Olympiakos, gutteda at half time in Istanbul, gutted at Wembley in 2006 with a minute to go - get the picture.

It's called supporting and anybody who isn't prepared to give Kenny a decent amount of time is for me, not a supporter.

Considering how much damage has been done to the club by the cowboys, Cecil and Roy, our recovery under Kenny has actually been ahead of schedule. Of course, we are still very inconsistent, but that was to be expected with 9 players arriving over the last year, and with both Gerrard and Lucas missing a big part of the season. At the same time, I think that Kenny has been a little overprotective of his players in his public appearances. Of course, no-one wants for him to rip the players apart after a poor performance, but they should definitely feel their share of the heat when they are not performing at the required level.

[Suareznumber7]

I can't believe anyone would want Mourinhio.

This is the fella who moves from club to club whenever the mood takes him and depending on what will look good on his cv, who runs off at the mouth just to boost his own ego, who has shown no allegiance whatsoever to any club, who hides in laundry baskets and think s it is amusing.

He's a egotistical buffoon and I wouldn't want him anywhere near us.

I wouldn't want one of the two or three best managers in the game today to manage us either. 

[Suareznumber7]

Id rather be worried about the players rather than the manager.Id want kenny to remain in charge,but get rid of the expensive deadwood that we've got now.If we can transform the side with 2-3 15m players after getting rid of a few underperformers,Kenny will be the man to guide us to success in the long term.But with this squad no.Not even Mourinho can do a thing.Not that Id ever want him.Rafa ahead of anyone else.

Sounds an awful lot like what everyone was saying last summer.  yet it seems we have brought in more of the same. 

[Suareznumber7]

In all fairness Newcastle have had some cracking games. And luck. Where we drew against smaller teams they won. They've taken a fair few spankings too.

We didn't get that luck. We made the opportunities but then just plain didn't get the luck where a ball instead of hitting a post actually goes in.

And that much we all know needs fixing.

now. I ask again have you ever, as a fan of this club, known Kenny Dalglish to take mediocrity from any of his players lying down.

Ahhhh....the good ole luck excuse

[Suareznumber7]

Your beginning to fucking grate now. If you want success every single season fuck off and support the Mancs.

It's not all sentiment. But there's nothing wrong with having a little bit of faith that the manager will be able to fix things. And as for the chances, it's not a fallacy. I'm more and more convinced your here on the wind up.

WHAT!!!!!!   

[nocturnalvin]

For once, i'd like a thread to get locked. Kenny deserves better than to have his words dissected, and to be even mentioned along that attention-seeking prat.

I wouldn't want one of the two or three best managers in the game today to manage us either. 

I do, when Kenny decides its time to step down. I'd want Rafa, I'd want Guardiola. Men with class. Proper values.
This is what the Club stands for. Until you figure that out, do yourself a favour. Find another team to cheer for.

[Red Crown]

You know him do you?

Of course Rafa would come back - he has said as much in previous interviews and is 'the elephant in the room' while Kenny or anyone else has the job.

It is one reason why some are not willing to give kenny the time he should have.

 

Rafa has gone to many extraordinary lengths to make it clear in no uncertain terms that he is not gunning for Kenny's job.  Implying otherwise is lying.

[montysmum]

Rafa has gone to many extraordinary lengths to make it clear in no uncertain terms that he is not gunning for Kenny's job.  Implying otherwise is lying.

I am not lying at all, neither am I saying he is actively gunning for the job, just that he would come back if asked.  In a recent interview with the BBC he said -

“To be manager of Liverpool is a dream for me. This time, I know that Kenny is doing really well.
“I have to wait and keep watching games, but if you say to me in the future would you like to be manager, for sure, no doubt about this. When, that is the question."

As I said in my post, there is no doubt that Rafa would come back and it is one reason why some people are unwilling to give Kenny the time he needs

[DangerScouse]

He's done the right thing in my opinion. Giving the players a hiding in public would do more harm than good at this point. What exactly is that going to accomplish? If we aren't playing well because players are bereft of confidence (which is the largest problem in my opinion), going to the horrible press and lashing out at them surely won't instill any in them.

We still have a cup to go win.

Is the correct answer.

[Zlen]

This thread was great when only Mostar posted clips in it.
Now it's a bit shit and very predictable.