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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54240 on: November 23, 2019, 07:40:53 PM »
Just put Emery out of his misery, he is tragic.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54241 on: November 23, 2019, 07:44:22 PM »
Just put Emery out of his misery, he is tragic.

Emery to Everton then
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54242 on: November 23, 2019, 07:50:31 PM »
It's not just the manager though, Emery is not a bad manager. My question was directed more at the club. What about them letting many key players run their contracts? what about their hiring strategy? All that was before Emery. Looks like there is no cohesion between club, manager, players, style...

A number of clubs looked like they had a sustainable model at their respective level, whether it is arsenal or even somebody like soton, the challenge is in not throwing away what you have when you try to progress beyond your level.

For us, the challenge will obviously be how well we manage to maintain the spirit and quality of the squad when we eventually start to bring in younger players who will eventually be replacing existing starters.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54244 on: November 23, 2019, 08:25:53 PM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54245 on: November 23, 2019, 08:47:16 PM »
AFTV and chill, although Troopz has become a parody of himself
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54248 on: November 23, 2019, 09:42:56 PM »
AFTV and chill, although Troopz has become a parody of himself

I have a visceral dislike of Troopz. Hes your typical guy that will start a fight if you try to argue with him. I’m guessing the next step on AFTV is staged WWE styled fights.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54249 on: November 23, 2019, 11:03:01 PM »
Just put Emery out of his misery, he is tragic.

I think he'll last the season and then get the sack when failure to make the top four is absolutely confirmed. Unless something catastrophic happens like a very long winless run or a series of terrible results where they might be forced to pull the trigger early. But they're obviously patient when it comes to managers so I think they'll give him this season. Pochettino to Arsenal isn't a bad shout at all you know.

Depends on how loyal Pochettino is, read an interview where he said he would never manage a team in Argentina (can't remember name, rival of Newell's old boys) Barcelona or Arsenal out of respect for his old clubs, would rather go and work on his farm in Argentina

Edit: it's been rehashed in some places this week but original interview was in January 18 https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/25/mauricio-pochettino-rather-work-farm-manage-arsenal-7261776/

Like Mourinho never managing Spurs? Or Dele Ali never wanting to play under Mourinho? £££££££ is the only way to buy loyalty these days. Football is a funny old game.

That and the fact that he might feel that he has unfinished business yet in the Premier League. Imagine him going to Arsenal and getting one over his former side that sacked him by making Arsenal better, which he's fully capable of doing.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54250 on: November 23, 2019, 11:08:49 PM »
Arsenal aren't a step up from Tottenham at this place in time. Why would he go there when they're an absolute mess.

He'll be able to get better jobs elsewhere, and by the looks of it Bayern are willing to hire him

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54251 on: November 23, 2019, 11:26:44 PM »
Arsenal aren't a step up from Tottenham at this place in time. Why would he go there when they're an absolute mess.

He'll be able to get better jobs elsewhere, and by the looks of it Bayern are willing to hire him

Arsenal are a much bigger club than Spurs. But like you say, why would you go there if you are Pochettino. He could potentially be approached by Madrid, Bayern, PSG and Man Utd and it wouldnt seem weird.


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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54252 on: November 23, 2019, 11:31:44 PM »
Arsenal aren't a step up from Tottenham at this place in time. Why would he go there when they're an absolute mess.

He'll be able to get better jobs elsewhere, and by the looks of it Bayern are willing to hire him

And Tottenham aren't a step up from any of the jobs that Mourinho has previously had or has been offered recently, at least according to him. And yet he still went there.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54253 on: November 23, 2019, 11:34:59 PM »
Arsenal are a much bigger club than Spurs. But like you say, why would you go there if you are Pochettino. He could potentially be approached by Madrid, Bayern, PSG and Man Utd and it wouldnt seem weird.

Bigger club sure, but right now they're light years behind them. And it's a worse situation for him to than it is at Tottenham

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54254 on: November 23, 2019, 11:35:39 PM »
And Tottenham aren't a step up from any of the jobs that Mourinho has previously had or has been offered recently, at least according to him. And yet he still went there.

Thing is that Pochettino has spent years trying to get Spurs to the top table on a budget of sorts and having to build (or at least coach) from the foundations up. Going to Arsenal he would have to do it again.

He can get jobs where he puts some medals around his neck with some of the worlds biggest clubs and/or biggest chequebooks. No way does he go to a project again.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54255 on: November 23, 2019, 11:37:25 PM »
And Tottenham aren't a step up from any of the jobs that Mourinho has previously had or has been offered recently, at least according to him. And yet he still went there.

That's more to do with the clubs he's already managed, and the clubs he would like to manage aren't available. Chelsea have sacked him twice, and gave the job to Lampard. He was fired by United. Arsenal haven't fired Emery. He isn't managing us or City. Madrid brought back Zidane rather than him, and he's never managing Barca. Juventus are doing well, as are Inter and bayern don't want him.

So given all of that, it's no surprise he's taken Spurs. ''The big clubs'' are not available for him

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54256 on: November 24, 2019, 09:18:20 AM »
AFTV and chill, although Troopz has become a parody of himself

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54257 on: November 24, 2019, 09:28:45 AM »
Depends on how loyal Pochettino is, read an interview where he said he would never manage a team in Argentina (can't remember name, rival of Newell's old boys) Barcelona or Arsenal out of respect for his old clubs, would rather go and work on his farm in Argentina

Edit: it's been rehashed in some places this week but original interview was in January 18 https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/25/mauricio-pochettino-rather-work-farm-manage-arsenal-7261776/
Yeah, Rosario Central and Barcelona.
I suppose this means he can always manage Everton as it would feel like a farm anyways.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54258 on: November 24, 2019, 09:33:21 AM »
What are the odds on Rafa going to Arsenal now that it looks like Everton are keeping Silva? :D

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54259 on: November 24, 2019, 10:13:11 AM »
What are the odds on Rafa going to Arsenal now that it looks like Everton are keeping Silva? :D

Rafa should spare himself further misery, haven't he had enough of going to clubs with really poor ownership issues?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54260 on: November 24, 2019, 11:32:39 AM »
Had their arses absolutely handed to them yesterday haha should have been 4 or 5 goals at least for Southampton. Versus a 19th placed team to make things worse. He has to go.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54261 on: November 24, 2019, 07:11:29 PM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54262 on: November 24, 2019, 07:44:25 PM »
Just put Emery out of his misery, he is tragic.
He is but what's the alternative?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54263 on: November 24, 2019, 07:49:30 PM »
He is but what's the alternative?
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54264 on: November 24, 2019, 07:51:01 PM »
Emery to Everton then
Fucks sake, hasn't he suffered enough?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54265 on: November 25, 2019, 12:37:07 AM »
Going through their recent transfer history and they've been genuinely terrible for a good 5 years, maybe even 10. It's only really the Lacazette/Aubameyang deals that have been good recently, and even then buying both was a bit stupid when their defense is so bad.

Emery gets a lot of shit and probably rightly, but I doubt whoever comes in after him will fare much better.

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« Reply #54266 on: November 25, 2019, 12:38:02 AM »
Going through their recent transfer history and they've been genuinely terrible for a good 5 years, maybe even 10. It's only really the Lacazette/Aubameyang deals that have been good recently, and even then buying both was a bit stupid when their defense is so bad.

Emery gets a lot of shit and probably rightly, but I doubt whoever comes in after him will fare much better.

Hes terrible at organizing sides defensively.  Rafa did better with worse talent at Newcastle in that department

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« Reply #54267 on: November 25, 2019, 12:41:35 AM »
Hes terrible at organizing sides defensively.  Rafa did better with worse talent at Newcastle in that department

I'm not saying he's a good manager, it's just amazing how consistently bad they've been at signing players. That period a decade or so back when city/united poached all of their best players really destroyed them because they did such a poor job of replacing them. It's kind of surprising they even held that top four spot for as long as they did.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54268 on: November 25, 2019, 12:42:40 AM »
I'm not saying he's a good manager, it's just amazing how consistently bad they've been at signing players. That period a decade or so back when city/united poached all of their best players really destroyed them because they did such a poor job of replacing them. It's kind of surprising they even held that top four spot for as long as they did.

Valid points but Emery has had the same defensive problems at Sevilla and in his last season there, his side didn't win one single away game in the league. Sound familiar?


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« Reply #54269 on: November 25, 2019, 01:01:12 AM »
Valid points but Emery has had the same defensive problems at Sevilla and in his last season there, his side didn't win one single away game in the league. Sound familiar?



At least they've become more consistent lately, they can't win at home or away now.

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« Reply #54270 on: November 25, 2019, 01:03:09 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqqoAZDaKXE

I feel like the reporter here was taking the piss with Emery's good evening :D

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« Reply #54271 on: November 25, 2019, 01:04:51 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqqoAZDaKXE

I feel like the reporter here was taking the piss with Emery's good evening :D
I think that’s pretty poor of the journalist. I’d like to see the average Sky presenter speak Spanish.

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« Reply #54272 on: November 25, 2019, 02:09:20 AM »
So papers tomorrow say Arteta or Allegri. Would either solve their defensive issues?
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« Reply #54273 on: November 25, 2019, 02:14:47 AM »
So papers tomorrow say Arteta or Allegri. Would either solve their defensive issues?
Arteta is a massive gamble. But Allegri would get them organized far better than what Emery can muster

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54274 on: November 25, 2019, 03:26:53 AM »
Going through their recent transfer history and they've been genuinely terrible for a good 5 years, maybe even 10. It's only really the Lacazette/Aubameyang deals that have been good recently, and even then buying both was a bit stupid when their defense is so bad.

Emery gets a lot of shit and probably rightly, but I doubt whoever comes in after him will fare much better.

Leno has been a good signing too. I know he's one on RAWK's shit player list like Pulisic, but he's been one of the few positives for them. The guy faces a shit-ton of shots every game too, far more than pretty much any goalie in the league, he's one of the least of their worries.

Gunedouzi is class. Tierney might turn out good for them, but otherwise i agree! Far to many misses, and strange big money splurges on players who surely where not priorities - like Auba at the time - although to be fair, he ended up being one of the few plus points. But also Pepe, they may have needed a winger, but the state of their defence, they could have spread the cash so much better, the contract for Özil too was so badly judged.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54275 on: November 25, 2019, 05:49:00 AM »
If Arsenal had any sense, they'd go for Rafa. He'd sort them out and get them back into the top 4 on a shit budget.

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« Reply #54276 on: November 25, 2019, 06:37:56 AM »
If Arsenal had any sense, they'd go for Rafa. He'd sort them out and get them back into the top 4 on a shit budget.
And if Rafa had any sense, he wouldn't touch that job with a 10-foot pole.
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« Reply #54277 on: November 25, 2019, 06:56:19 AM »
Arsenal’s next move couldn’t be more obvious now.  If they haven’t already reached out to Pochettino, hell mend them.

1. I can’t see how he’d ‘fix’ Arsenal. There are significant problems with the squad and the owners and management structure aren’t set up to sort that out.

2. Pochettino needs a job where he’s guaranteed a trophy for his own CV. Or at least take on a job for one of the main clubs in a two-horse race. And winning the FA Cup (or League Cup) for Arsenal wouldn’t satisfy the fans - Wenger did that a few times and it didn’t save him.

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« Reply #54278 on: November 25, 2019, 07:06:50 AM »
1. I can’t see how he’d ‘fix’ Arsenal. There are significant problems with the squad and the owners and management structure aren’t set up to sort that out.

2. Pochettino needs a job where he’s guaranteed a trophy for his own CV. Or at least take on a job for one of the main clubs in a two-horse race. And winning the FA Cup (or League Cup) for Arsenal wouldn’t satisfy the fans - Wenger did that a few times and it didn’t save him.



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« Reply #54279 on: November 25, 2019, 07:18:15 AM »
And Tottenham aren't a step up from any of the jobs that Mourinho has previously had or has been offered recently, at least according to him. And yet he still went there.

Like him or loathe him, Mourinho is one of the most successful managers in football and with his reputation he can take a job like Spurs knowing if it all goes tits up he’s still won leagues and cups across Europe.

He’s like Ancelotti in that respect. And Rafa. 
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