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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53880 on: October 31, 2019, 05:44:20 AM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53881 on: October 31, 2019, 05:49:21 AM »
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« Reply #53882 on: October 31, 2019, 06:52:22 AM »
Never known a more deluded fan for any team than that Ty.  Could have won the game tens times over? Really? Give over soft lad. His team just been embarrassed by Liverpools reserves and he's trying to make out they were brilliant on the night. Dickhead! ;D

I agree about TY, he's a deluded idiot.

Don't know why you think our 2nd XI drawing 5-5 at Anfield with your reserves is embarrassing though?  ???

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« Reply #53883 on: October 31, 2019, 07:39:36 AM »
I agree about TY, he's a deluded idiot.

Don't know why you think our 2nd XI drawing 5-5 at Anfield with your reserves is embarrassing though?  ???
id guess it would be starting two World Cup winners when we have none in our squad and blowing two two goal leads and a lead in the 92nd minute

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« Reply #53884 on: October 31, 2019, 08:11:07 AM »
I agree about TY, he's a deluded idiot.

Don't know why you think our 2nd XI drawing 5-5 at Anfield with your reserves is embarrassing though?  ???

They were more experienced and established players, though. We gave 5 Anfield debuts to some young lads. Ox and Keita were taken off for Curtis Jones (18) and Chirivella. You brought on Ceballos and Ghendouzi. We also had a 17 yo and an 18yo in defence with a 20 yo in goal. We even had a 16yo playing.

Your young players were further forward and while one was 18, the other was 20.

Should have won this game really. Klopp knew we may not be able to play the next round, so just gave the kids a chance.
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« Reply #53885 on: October 31, 2019, 08:15:08 AM »
Never known a more deluded fan for any team than that Ty.  Could have won the game tens times over? Really? Give over soft lad. His team just been embarrassed by Liverpools reserves and he's trying to make out they were brilliant on the night. Dickhead! ;D

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53886 on: October 31, 2019, 08:21:37 AM »
id guess it would be starting two World Cup winners when we have none in our squad and blowing two two goal leads and a lead in the 92nd minute

Considering the League Cup isn't taken that seriously by most of the top teams and can be a bit of a lottery (unless your Man City), I'm still not sure how a club really struggling with confidence drawing after 90mins at the best team in the country's ground can be seen as as embarrassing?

Disappointing to lose from winning positions - yes, disappointed to lose a goal in injury time - yes, embarrassing - was more embarrassed by drawing at home to Palace by far.
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« Reply #53887 on: October 31, 2019, 08:35:11 AM »
They were more experienced and established players, though. We gave 5 Anfield debuts to some young lads. Ox and Keita were taken off for Curtis Jones (18) and Chirivella. You brought on Ceballos and Ghendouzi. We also had a 17 yo and an 18yo in defence with a 20 yo in goal. We even had a 16yo playing.

Your young players were further forward and while one was 18, the other was 20.

Should have won this game really. Klopp knew we may not be able to play the next round, so just gave the kids a chance.

I get that mate, I said in my earlier post our changed XI was more experienced than your changed XI.

If you analyse it, there's not that much difference between the front 6, Ox, Lallana, Keita in midfield vs Torriera, Willock & Ozil. Attack was Brewster, Elliot, Origi vs Maitland-Niles, Saka, Martinelli.

We had the more experience in defence by far but 2 of them are trying to find fitness after an ACL injury, and also Mustafi who's confidence is shot and proved last night quite literally that it's like playing with a goal down!  ;D

We had more experience on the bench compared to yours, but he took Ozil & Torriera off which were strange substitutions given the circumstances.

Should we have won the game given the teams, perhaps. Especially after having 2 goal leads twice in the game. Embarrassing is a very strong word though.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53888 on: October 31, 2019, 08:40:22 AM »
Considering the League Cup isn't taken that seriously by most of the top teams and can be a bit of a lottery (unless your Man City), I'm still not sure how a club really struggling with confidence drawing after 90mins at the best team in the country's ground can be seen as as embarrassing?

Disappointing to lose from winning positions - yes, disappointed to lose a goal in injury time - yes, embarrassing - was more embarrassed by drawing at home to Palace by far.

When I saw the teams and benches I don’t think we’d have a chance.

I reckon at least half of the ground won’t ever have heard of Williams, and there were players I’ve never heard of on our bench.  Even one of our U23s was away at an international tournament.

More arsenal players had played at Anfield than our own team had....


Still, it does show how culture is so important.  Liverpool just never gave up, just like their first team. Whereas arsenal just folded .....

I’ve thought it was madness to get rid of Emery, but seeing that... there’s some real issues you face in terms of mentality.
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« Reply #53889 on: October 31, 2019, 08:52:54 AM »
Considering the League Cup isn't taken that seriously by most of the top teams and can be a bit of a lottery (unless your Man City), I'm still not sure how a club really struggling with confidence drawing after 90mins at the best team in the country's ground can be seen as as embarrassing?

Disappointing to lose from winning positions - yes, disappointed to lose a goal in injury time - yes, embarrassing - was more embarrassed by drawing at home to Palace by far.
Emery’s post match interview told the story.
He wanted to win that. He saw the opportunity to tell everyone that things were on the up.
No amount of post match rationalisation from you will change that.
He was gutted, and so were your lot in the ground.
We were delighted for our kids, but unlike your lot we have bigger fish to fry
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« Reply #53890 on: October 31, 2019, 08:54:37 AM »
When I saw the teams and benches I don’t think we’d have a chance.

I reckon at least half of the ground won’t ever have heard of Williams, and there were players I’ve never heard of on our bench.  Even one of our U23s was away at an international tournament.

More arsenal players had played at Anfield than our own team had....


Still, it does show how culture is so important.  Liverpool just never gave up, just like their first team. Whereas arsenal just folded .....

I’ve thought it was madness to get rid of Emery, but seeing that... there’s some real issues you face in terms of mentality.

If you go through Arsenal fans, I doubt many thought our fans would get a result at Anfield either, regardless of the team. Again, that might tell you a lot about the state of our club. Also, it was at Anfield, probably the hardest ground in Europe to get a result at just now, regardless of level.

In terms of the front 6, I'd say these are both our teams direct replacements for the first XI. So if you think we should be embarrassed, I could perhaps flip that and say if you think that, are you worried about your own strength in depth then?
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« Reply #53891 on: October 31, 2019, 08:58:38 AM »
Emery’s post match interview told the story.
He wanted to win that. He saw the opportunity to tell everyone that things were on the up.
No amount of post match rationalisation from you will change that.
He was gutted, and so were your lot in the ground.
We were delighted for our kids, but unlike your lot we have bigger fish to fry

Of course he wanted to win the game. Of course he'd be gutted losing a 2 goal lead twice, and losing a late equaliser. I'd be disappointed if he wasn't. It didn't stop him making XI changes before the game though? And, like you, the League Cup with be 4th on a priority list. The difference is, and it's easy for me to admit, you guys are in another level. Of course you are, your the best team in Europe currently.

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« Reply #53892 on: October 31, 2019, 09:00:56 AM »
If you go through Arsenal fans, I doubt many thought our fans would get a result at Anfield either, regardless of the team. Again, that might tell you a lot about the state of our club. Also, it was at Anfield, probably the hardest ground in Europe to get a result at just now, regardless of level.

In terms of the front 6, I'd say these are both our teams direct replacements for the first XI. So if you think we should be embarrassed, I could perhaps flip that and say if you think that, are you worried about strength in depth then?
Your team last night featured
Ozil, Holding, Mustaphi, Bellerin, Maitland-Niles, Gendouzi, Torreira, Kolasinac and Ceballos.
That’s 9 players who are experienced first team squad members.
Says a lot about you currently that you are dismissing them as not good enough to be in your first team.
That’s a lot of dead wood
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« Reply #53893 on: October 31, 2019, 09:11:05 AM »
Emery’s post match interview told the story.
He wanted to win that. He saw the opportunity to tell everyone that things were on the up.
No amount of post match rationalisation from you will change that.
He was gutted, and so were your lot in the ground.
We were delighted for our kids, but unlike your lot we have bigger fish to fry

Of course he wanted to win that. Wenger was winning this trophy week in and week out. It's not much, but it's good to shut down some fans - from Emery's point of view.
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« Reply #53894 on: October 31, 2019, 09:20:55 AM »
Your team last night featured
Ozil, Holding, Mustaphi, Bellerin, Maitland-Niles, Gendouzi, Torreira, Kolasinac and Ceballos.
That’s 9 players who are experienced first team squad members.
Says a lot about you currently that you are dismissing them as not good enough to be in your first team.
That’s a lot of dead wood

Yep, we do have more deadwood, hence the reason we can put out a more experienced team, I don't mind admitting that. Ozil and Mustafi they are actively trying to get rid of. Maitland-Niles is a centre midfielder by trade who has played everywhere but there, but isn't really good enough anyway. If Tierney stays fit Kolasinac will just be back up. Torriera can't get in the team ahead of Xhaka, even though all the support want him to. Bellerin & Holding are just just recovering from an ACL injury and it will take time, like it has with the Ox. Guendouzi is only 20 and will continue to improve, Ceballos I'm not sure will be with us long term anyway.

I perhaps seem to be giving out the wrong message. I know exactly the state of our club just now, especially in comparison to your club, that's the reason I don't see last nights result as embarrassing. Think about it. Your the best club currently in the league, and the best club currently in Europe, with the best home form. The majority of these (well your front 6, Gomez & Milner) are your replacement players if your first XI get injuries. Is it that much of a stretch to think given how far your first team are ahead of ours, that your replacements could actually beat our replacements at home as well?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53895 on: October 31, 2019, 09:26:47 AM »
That dickhead who jumped in on claudes video, god I hope he’s fucking flawless in his life

Seriously what a dickhead. How the hell is it justified to abuse his wife?

Completely agree with what Claude says at the end, if you are going to give it you should learn to take it.

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« Reply #53896 on: October 31, 2019, 01:18:20 PM »
I remember before the home league game with Arsenal last year their fans were going crazy sending out prayers and such like that Mostafi would be fit and available.  It felt like desperate clutching at straws.

Then for the past nine months it's all hinged on Holding being back and available.

Well, both played last night at the heart of an Arsenal defence that shipped five goals and both looked a bit rubbish.  In Holding's defence he's returning from that injury (I still very much enjoyed the instant karma when he refused to give the ball to Lallana and within two minutes was trying to untie his legs after Origi spun him and spanked in his first goal).

I'm so happy with our defenders as there seems to be a real shortage of quality defenders and prices are horribly inflated because of it.  If it's any consolation to Arsenal I think Spurs are going to be in the same boat soon enough when Alderweireld and Vertonghen move on.

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« Reply #53897 on: October 31, 2019, 01:23:13 PM »
Yep, we do have more deadwood, hence the reason we can put out a more experienced team, I don't mind admitting that. Ozil and Mustafi they are actively trying to get rid of. Maitland-Niles is a centre midfielder by trade who has played everywhere but there, but isn't really good enough anyway. If Tierney stays fit Kolasinac will just be back up. Torriera can't get in the team ahead of Xhaka, even though all the support want him to. Bellerin & Holding are just just recovering from an ACL injury and it will take time, like it has with the Ox. Guendouzi is only 20 and will continue to improve, Ceballos I'm not sure will be with us long term anyway.

I perhaps seem to be giving out the wrong message. I know exactly the state of our club just now, especially in comparison to your club, that's the reason I don't see last nights result as embarrassing. Think about it. Your the best club currently in the league, and the best club currently in Europe, with the best home form. The majority of these (well your front 6, Gomez & Milner) are your replacement players if your first XI get injuries. Is it that much of a stretch to think given how far your first team are ahead of ours, that your replacements could actually beat our replacements at home as well?
Some of them weren't replacements, though. Brewster and Elliott have barely played in the squad. Shaqiri is out. Keita has barely played this year, got injured and was replaced by another barely-played youngster.

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« Reply #53898 on: October 31, 2019, 01:56:25 PM »
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« Reply #53899 on: October 31, 2019, 02:34:19 PM »
Their away kit is proper nice.

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« Reply #53900 on: October 31, 2019, 02:51:48 PM »
Some of them weren't replacements, though. Brewster and Elliott have barely played in the squad. Shaqiri is out. Keita has barely played this year, got injured and was replaced by another barely-played youngster.

Your front 3 is Salah, Mane & Frimino. Who would be the 3 behind them if they all didn't play?

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« Reply #53901 on: October 31, 2019, 02:57:31 PM »
How the hell that Martinelli kid doesn't start for them? He seems special.

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« Reply #53902 on: October 31, 2019, 03:15:39 PM »
How the hell that Martinelli kid doesn't start for them? He seems special.

They have Aubameyang, who's basically been carrying them this season. (And Lacazette too). It's the one area they are strong in basically!
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« Reply #53903 on: October 31, 2019, 03:23:35 PM »
Living in London, nearly all of the Arsenal fans I know have openly admitted that they are forever in debt to us for beating Spurs in Madrid.

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« Reply #53904 on: October 31, 2019, 03:24:46 PM »
Their away kit is proper nice.
The top was smart, just thought the navy shirt with black shorts looked odd.

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« Reply #53905 on: October 31, 2019, 03:26:39 PM »
Living in London, nearly all of the Arsenal fans I know have openly admitted that they are forever in debt to us for beating Spurs in Madrid.

They can repay some of that debt by losing to us in the league and getting points of City twice.

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« Reply #53906 on: October 31, 2019, 04:05:18 PM »
Your front 3 is Salah, Mane & Frimino. Who would be the 3 behind them if they all didn't play?

Probably Origi and Shaqiri would be two of them, if the Barcelona game is anything to go by.
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« Reply #53907 on: October 31, 2019, 04:13:44 PM »
Living in London, nearly all of the Arsenal fans I know have openly admitted that they are forever in debt to us for beating Spurs in Madrid.
They can repay us by not singing ''sign on'' and the rest of their disrespectful lower-league shite at Anfield.
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« Reply #53908 on: October 31, 2019, 04:30:31 PM »
Probably Origi and Shaqiri would be two of them, if the Barcelona game is anything to go by.

And I'd imagine the next in line would be Brewster looking at your squad list.

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« Reply #53909 on: October 31, 2019, 04:40:43 PM »
They can repay us by not singing ''sign on'' and the rest of their disrespectful lower-league shite at Anfield.
Don't know if it was the bigger allocation, but they seemed a completely different fanbase yesterday. I've always had them down as one of the few that support their team and don't resort to the tired anti-scouse small time stuff, so beloved of smaller clubs and Utd, but it was all there last night.

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« Reply #53910 on: October 31, 2019, 04:45:43 PM »
Yep, we do have more deadwood, hence the reason we can put out a more experienced team, I don't mind admitting that. Ozil and Mustafi they are actively trying to get rid of. Maitland-Niles is a centre midfielder by trade who has played everywhere but there, but isn't really good enough anyway. If Tierney stays fit Kolasinac will just be back up. Torriera can't get in the team ahead of Xhaka, even though all the support want him to. Bellerin & Holding are just just recovering from an ACL injury and it will take time, like it has with the Ox. Guendouzi is only 20 and will continue to improve, Ceballos I'm not sure will be with us long term anyway.

I perhaps seem to be giving out the wrong message. I know exactly the state of our club just now, especially in comparison to your club, that's the reason I don't see last nights result as embarrassing. Think about it. Your the best club currently in the league, and the best club currently in Europe, with the best home form. The majority of these (well your front 6, Gomez & Milner) are your replacement players if your first XI get injuries. Is it that much of a stretch to think given how far your first team are ahead of ours, that your replacements could actually beat our replacements at home as well?

I agree with you completely, I don't think the result was embarrassing at all, but I would say given the experience in your team, you should've won the game.
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« Reply #53911 on: October 31, 2019, 04:47:40 PM »
Don't know if it was the bigger allocation, but they seemed a completely different fanbase yesterday. I've always had them down as one of the few that support their team and don't resort to the tired anti-scouse small time stuff, so beloved of smaller clubs and Utd, but it was all there last night.

Being in bad places brings the worst out of people. Not surprised given the state their club is in at the moment. Even their players resorted to the same shithousery that spurs did when they were ahead at the weekend.
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« Reply #53912 on: October 31, 2019, 04:50:58 PM »
I agree with you completely, I don't think the result was embarrassing at all, but I would say given the experience in your team, you should've won the game.

Can't argue with that. With the experience in defence especially, you would hope that we wouldn't concede the goals we did.

But, it is Arsenal. We played Mustafi. Holding looked really rusty. It is Arsenal. Kolasinac has never been a great left back in a 4. There were some top goals last night. Oh, and its Arsenal.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53913 on: October 31, 2019, 05:01:38 PM »
And I'd imagine the next in line would be Brewster looking at your squad list.

Nah, Wijnaldum or Ox probably would come ahead of Brewster. No guarantee we would play 3 forwards either if Salah, Firmino and Mane were out.

Despite that Brewster does fit in our 2nd XI, despite not being 6th in line to play as a forward, assuming that the 2nd XI must be made up of no 1st XI players.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53914 on: October 31, 2019, 05:10:29 PM »
Nah, Wijnaldum or Ox probably would come ahead of Brewster. No guarantee we would play 3 forwards either if Salah, Firmino and Mane were out.

Despite that Brewster does fit in our 2nd XI, despite not being 6th in line to play as a forward, assuming that the 2nd XI must be made up of no 1st XI players.

Yeah. We could do likewise with Ozil, or playing Ceballos or that further forward. I'm more thinking in the way you list your 1st choice team, then the next choice team after.

It's about the only advantage to playing in the Europa League. Players like Martinelli, Saka, Nelson, Willock, Smith-Rowe can be blooded and get them game time, and if there's good performances, it helps integrate them into proper first team reckoning.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53916 on: October 31, 2019, 07:52:27 PM »
Statement from Granit Xhaka.

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1189985747580936192

The state of some of those replies as well. A minority thankfully

Feel very sorry for him. Some terrible comments that kicked it all off and something people should never have to deal with

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53917 on: October 31, 2019, 07:58:26 PM »
Statement from Granit Xhaka.

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1189985747580936192

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53918 on: October 31, 2019, 08:27:29 PM »
Didn't realise he's had those types of comments. Although fans can do what they want, I still felt a little sorry for him at the time and the more I've thought about it, the more I think it's understandable how he reacted, moreso now after that statement.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #53919 on: October 31, 2019, 08:38:15 PM »
A good statement for him....

If people spew vile abuse onto him, why are they surprised when they get a negative reaction...  footballers are human too..
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