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CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« on: June 5, 2008, 12:59:35 PM »
Beeb's sports page tracker is reporting that Bulgarian Champions CSKA Sofia have been excluded from next season's competition. More details to follow.
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Re: CSKA Sofia kicked out of Champions League
« Reply #1 on: June 5, 2008, 01:06:19 PM »
Will we have any teams left at this rate?
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Re: CSKA Sofia kicked out of Champions League
« Reply #2 on: June 5, 2008, 01:09:29 PM »
Isn't it their FA that asked them to be excluded, some news on it a few days back. Milan are going to take their spot

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Re: CSKA Sofia kicked out of Champions League
« Reply #3 on: June 5, 2008, 01:10:39 PM »
Isn't it their FA that asked them to be excluded, some news on it a few days back. Milan are going to take their spot

yep was rumored a while ago

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Re: CSKA Sofia kicked out of Champions League
« Reply #4 on: June 5, 2008, 01:12:39 PM »
Isn't it their FA that asked them to be excluded, some news on it a few days back. Milan are going to take their spot
Surely it should go to the second best team in the league?

If we, for whatever reason, were unable to compete in the CL the place would go to everton not milan?

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #5 on: June 5, 2008, 01:13:24 PM »
Will we have any teams left at this rate?
I was thinking in the same thing   ;D
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #6 on: June 5, 2008, 01:14:54 PM »
So if Milan take Sofia's spot, who will have Porto's? Will it be the next team with the highest coefficient not in the comp or will they do the right thing and give it to Benfica?
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #7 on: June 5, 2008, 01:17:15 PM »
So if Milan take Sofia's spot, who will have Porto's? Will it be the next team with the highest coefficient not in the comp or will they do the right thing and give it to Benfica?
The right thing would be to give Sofia's spot to whoever finished below them.

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #8 on: June 5, 2008, 01:17:47 PM »
Isn't it their FA that asked them to be excluded, some news on it a few days back. Milan are going to take their spot

Fairy muff, I hadn't heard that to be honest.

But my friend Google & Reuters confirms this to be the case:
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SOFIA (Reuters) - Bulgarian champions CSKA Sofia have been excluded from next season's Champions League after failing to meet licensing criteria, the Bulgarian Football Union (BFU) said on Thursday.

"CSKA will not participate in the 2008-2009 UEFA's Champions League as this is a final decision," the BFU said in a statement. CSKA won their 31st Bulgarian league title this season and earned a place in the Champions League's third qualifying round but could not meet the BFU's Licensing Commission conditions.

UEFA, European soccer's governing body and organisers of the Champions League, were unavailable for comment. The Balkan country's most successful club, who marked their 60th anniversary last month, owe money to the National Social Security Institute, National Revenue Agency and creditors.

CSKA president Alexandar Tomov accepted responsibility for his team's failure and announced his resignation. "I have to do that," Tomov told reporters. "It is me and only me who is to blame. I'm not going to blame any of my subordinates because I'm the leading figure and everyone stares at me."

Tomov said in a statement on CSKA's official Web site (www.cska.bg) he would be replaced by the chief executive Emil Kostadinov, a former CSKA player. "I will continue helping the club in the future," Tomov said.

Many CSKA supporters have blamed Tomov for not getting the club's finances in order and he was insulted by fans during a chaotic news conference on Tuesday and hit by a thrown bottle outside the club's Bulgarska Armiya stadium. CSKA fans will gather at a meeting in Sofia on Friday to protest against the club's policies.

"It's a disgrace," Dimitar Angelov, the chairman of the fan club told reporters. "It's a stunning blow not only to CSKA supporters but to all Bulgarian citizens."

CSKA could be also expelled from the domestic premier league and forced to play in the country's amateur third division. The BFU said it would discuss the issue at an Executive Committee meeting.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyid=2008-06-05T111146Z_01_SP197310_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SOCCER-UEFA-CSKA.xml
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #9 on: June 5, 2008, 01:18:16 PM »
The right thing would be to give Sofia's spot to whoever finished below them.

thats it

if they had beaten milan in a qualifier then yes but those losing out by sofia and portos issues are domestic teams

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #10 on: June 5, 2008, 01:23:24 PM »
The right thing would be to give Sofia's spot to whoever finished below them.

Yeah that's what I mean. Porto have been kicked out, so their place should go to Benfica who finished 4th and not to the team with the highest UEFA coefficient.
 
In full agreement that Sofia's place should only go to another team from the Bulgarian league.
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #11 on: June 5, 2008, 01:24:53 PM »
The bulgarian football federation has asked that CSKA Sofia[/b] will be excluded from the next Champions League preliminary round cause of their financial situation; if UEFA will accept this request, the club that would replace the Bulgarian team would be the one wit the highest UEFA coefficient, that means AC Milan[/b]. The Italian club was involved in the opposite situation in 2006, when Lens[/b]asked to be admitted to the Champions League instead of Milan tha was involved in a corruption scandal.

http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=17615

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #12 on: June 5, 2008, 01:26:17 PM »
Technically shouldn't it be the next Bulgarian team ?  I smell a rat here.
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #13 on: June 5, 2008, 01:27:00 PM »
Yeah that's what I mean. Porto have been kicked out, so their place should go to Benfica who finished 4th and not to the team with the highest UEFA coefficient.
 
In full agreement that Sofia's place should only go to another team from the Bulgarian league.

absolutely, and you can bet a million quid that if liverpool, roma, or barca got kicked out, the place would go to someone in their league.

as CSKA are from a smaller league though, they'll see a chance to appease the big boys and put them in. aswell as making more money for themselves ofc.


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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #14 on: June 5, 2008, 01:31:15 PM »
Surely if Sofia's spot doesn't go to another Bulgarian team, and Porto's spot doesn't go to another Portuguese team, then they should go to the top two teams in the UEFA coefficient ranking from a country who doesn't have the maximum 4 teams already in the competition.

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #15 on: June 5, 2008, 01:39:04 PM »
I was thinking in the same thing   ;D

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #16 on: June 5, 2008, 01:44:20 PM »
your picture is the worst ugly piece of shite ever mate.
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Technically shouldn't it be the next Bulgarian team ?  I smell a rat here.
Is it? I had thought it was the coefficient thing myself!
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #17 on: June 5, 2008, 01:45:02 PM »
your picture is the worst ugly piece of shite ever mate.

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« Reply #18 on: June 5, 2008, 01:45:48 PM »
your picture is the worst ugly piece of shite ever mate.
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #19 on: June 5, 2008, 01:54:43 PM »
your picture is the worst ugly piece of shite ever mate.

Haha

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #20 on: June 5, 2008, 01:55:53 PM »
I said it in another thread and I will say it again.  Berlusconi will find a way in.  Expect to see Kaka lifting the thing in 12 months time.  ::)

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #21 on: June 5, 2008, 01:56:19 PM »
Is it? I had thought it was the coefficient thing myself!


No, I'm not sure either.  I've heard some conflicting reports on this issue and was wondering too.  I heard that Porto would be replaced by Benfica and if that was the case, shouldn't CSKA be replaced by the next Bulgarian team ?
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #22 on: June 5, 2008, 02:02:20 PM »
I said it in another thread and I will say it again.  Berlusconi will find a way in.  Expect to see Kaka lifting the thing in 12 months time.  ::)
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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #23 on: June 5, 2008, 02:25:18 PM »
I think it would be shocking if Milan were allowed in. I know a place was found for us in 2005/6, but we were holders and the situation only came about because our FA played silly buggers and changed the system that they would have applied the previous year if necessary and which the Spanish FA have previously followed of demoting the fourth placed team in the league to the UEFA Cup.

According to Article 1, para 1.07 of the Regulations for last season's competition, a club which is not admitted to the competition shall be replaced by the next best-placed club in the top domestic league championship of the same national association, provided it fulfils the admission criteria.

Possible ways round this for Milan?
1. Change the Rules. We know this can be done! And next season's Regulations aren't on the UEFA website yet, although they are referred to in an article about Porto.
2. Show that para 1.07 does not apply. You only have to find that the next best-placed club does not fulfil the criteria and then rely on Article 30 (do-as-you-like clause - see below) because the rules do not say that the next best-placed eligible club will be admitted, only that the next-based club will be admitted if eligible.
3. Argue force majeure (see Article 30 again), because obviously Milan failing to qualify for the CL is on a par with war, earthquake and the second coming.  :P


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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #24 on: June 5, 2008, 02:32:19 PM »
LOL the same transfermarketweb.com bollocks again :D

For the last time, CSKA will be replaced by Levski, Porto will be replaced by Guimaraes (group stage), and Benfica get Guimaraes' place in the 3rd qualifying round.

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #25 on: June 5, 2008, 02:32:47 PM »
ac will be a bigger tv draw than the next best Bulgarian team, thats all uefa care about, whatis right has got nothing to do with it.

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #26 on: June 5, 2008, 02:54:32 PM »
The right thing would be to play the competetion with 2 less teams,so long as they have 32 teams in for the group stage ,I don't see why they have to let anyone else in.Although it's obviously another UEFA ploy bending over backwards to let Milan back in.

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Re: CSKA Sofia excluded from Champions League
« Reply #27 on: June 5, 2008, 04:08:42 PM »
I want Milan back in, as we agreed with their fans  after the game in Athens that we would see them again in Rome.

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