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« Reply #1240 on: January 27, 2009, 11:12:52 AM »
There's a few clips on youtube that are worth watching. Some of his movment and passing around the box is fantastic. Cliche... but it looked well ahead of it's time, just simple give and go some of it but so effective and practically impossible for the other team to counter.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1241 on: January 27, 2009, 11:43:08 AM »
There's a few clips on youtube that are worth watching. Some of his movment and passing around the box is fantastic. Cliche... but it looked well ahead of it's time, just simple give and go some of it but so effective and practically impossible for the other team to counter.

Yeah that was the argument my old boy always had. You get a lot of 'great wide player' debates up here, as you do every place else no doubt, but with the older fellas up here it's usually "Jimmy Johnston, Willie Henderson, Jim Baxter, Davie Cooper...". Baxter had come in and that spelt the end of Stevenson from the Rangers side (which had been massively successful under Scott Symon during his time there and was only really knocked back into the doldrums when Stein took over at Celtic). Baxter was some player and everybody held him in the same regard as Johnston and Henderson, but Stevenson was a more subtle player who made the team play better.

Am I right in thinking he was pretty strong in the tackle and did a real box-to-box job?

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1242 on: January 27, 2009, 11:57:31 AM »
PS... I've watched him in the FA Cup final countless times. He was pure class in that game.

Wasn't he? I think it's the Inter game as well when he stands out. It's funny. When I fell in love with Liverpool in the early 70s and swotted up on its lore and legends, Willie Stevenson's name didn't loom very large. His photos didn't appear in Topical Times or Football Monthly and he couldn't compete in the fame stakes with Yeats, St John, Hunt, Smith, Thompson, Callaghan, Lawler. Just writing those names sends a shiver down the spine. They were phenomenal players in a phenomenal team. But I wonder if Stevenson wasn't up there with them. When you see old footage of that team it's Stevenson's beautiful, economical glide across the turf that catches the eye. He looks supremely comfortable on the ball and quick to do things.

I've got a pal who made his Kop debut in '58 and thinks Stevenson was the best of the lot. (I occasionally try and get him to post on RAWK but he's a lurker not a poster!). But I'd love to hear from anyone who saw Willie Stevenson in his pomp. 
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1243 on: January 27, 2009, 12:09:34 PM »
Auld fellas... Willie Stevenson is on my "All Time Draft" team. My old boy reckoned he was a silky player but obviously I've not seen much of him. Any memories?
I can tell you that Willie was the best player on the pitch in the '65 Final without question.

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« Reply #1244 on: January 27, 2009, 12:13:43 PM »
I can tell you that Willie was the best player on the pitch in the '65 Final without question.



I'd say the crunch deserves that honour.

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« Reply #1245 on: January 27, 2009, 12:20:34 PM »
Willie Stevo was a gem of a player. He was a managers dream and a name the other players would always want on the team sheet.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1246 on: January 27, 2009, 12:28:03 PM »
OK auldies.

Who scored the longest goal for Liverpool then?
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1247 on: January 27, 2009, 12:41:46 PM »
Wasn't he? I think it's the Inter game as well when he stands out.
That's one of the clips I meant on youtube. I won't ruin it by describing it here. Go and have a look. He's the proverbial dogs.

As for Baxter, I lived in Scotland for awhile. I was on the rigs back in the 80's. I can still hear the auld fellas going on about the game against England where Baxter sat on the ball, taking the piss. Don't know why they thought England getting showed up would bother me, but I believe he was one hell of a player.
OK auldies.

Who scored the longest goal for Liverpool then?
And what do you mean by longest? Is that like from the furthest out or in the last second's of time added?
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1248 on: January 27, 2009, 12:50:37 PM »
I'm doing some digging and I'll keep posting the stuff here. He played 73 games for Rangers between 58 and 62 under Scott Symon, and two of those seasons saw the emergence of Baxter.

In those years Rangers won the League in 1959, Scottish Cup in 1960, the League and League Cup in 61 (the year Stein's Dunfermline won the Scottish Cup), and both cups in 62.

It's easy to dismiss Scottish football these days but at that time it was one of the strongest leagues in Europe. Rangers got to the final of the Cup Winners Cup and the semis of the European Cup, and in 63 Dundee got to the semi final of the European Cup under one Bob Shankly of Glenbuck. Willie Stevenson held his place in the most successful side in the country at a time when Hibs were just falling into decline after their 'famous five' years, and Hearts, Dundee, Kilmarnock, and Dunfermline were all fighting for trophies. Celtic were having a hard time of it and ended up nabbing the young whippersnapper who was in charge of Dunfermline. He was ahead of his time aswell though, and they won 9 leagues in a row, and some diddy trophy in Lisbon ;D

The quote in the next article's interesting. Stevenson played in a side that was wedded to the idea of the wingers with paint on their boots - little skilful lads who could beat their man and get a cross in. It's a Brian Glanville obituary for a former Rangers right winger, but Stevenson's quoted. Interesting to see the stuff on their wide men - my Dad always said Willie Henderson was almost as good as Johnston on the right - very similar in stature and bravery on the ball.

Anyway, on the idea that Stevenson was maybe a little ahead of his time tactically, the quote in here's interesting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2001/sep/18/guardianobituaries.brianglanville

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"When you look back at that year, our lack of knowledge was laughable. Alex Scott, for instance, had tremendous ability to beat a man, but he was not allowed to stray from his touchline and intrude on other people's territory."

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1249 on: January 27, 2009, 12:52:12 PM »
Anyone been watching the Big Match Revisted on ITV 4? It's on at 11:30 of a morning. Gerald Sinstat with jet black hair and a porno-tach. Orange balls on a frosty snow covered pitch (Cue jokes). Brian Moore with hair. Beer bellies and combovers. Ahh football. Blazers for goal posts and all that. Fucking great.
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« Reply #1250 on: January 27, 2009, 12:52:33 PM »
OK auldies.

Who scored the longest goal for Liverpool then?

In the stone age, Donald McKinlay apparently scored from his own half in an Alonso-style moment of brilliance... can't remember where I read it, but it was either a Wooltonian article or on lfchistory.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1251 on: January 27, 2009, 12:54:35 PM »
OK auldies.

Who scored the longest goal for Liverpool then?
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« Reply #1252 on: January 27, 2009, 12:57:38 PM »
The Jockie Tams. Shame, fried Mars bars, can's of Heavy, drugs and play stations put an end to all that mate.
We all know what great footballers came out of there, but that's what I reckon put paid to it. Solving it's the problem, though. And that's not a dig. I'd love to see some decent Jocks back in our side. It's tradition.
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« Reply #1253 on: January 27, 2009, 12:59:06 PM »
As for Baxter, I lived in Scotland for awhile. I was on the rigs back in the 80's. I can still hear the auld fellas going on about the game against England where Baxter sat on the ball, taking the piss. Don't know why they thought England getting showed up would bother me, but I believe he was one hell of a player.

He was a natural, but he hit the bevvy too hard and didn't cope as well with it as some players did I think. A lot of Rangers fans reckon he's their best ever though. That 67 game was his little masterpiece really. People talk about the keepie ups but that was just a daft bit of showboating near the end. He'd been a constant threat the whole game. If he'd had the attitude or the constitution to deal with the booze better, he'd have been a giant of a player.

Anyway, Stevenson sounds like a good pick I reckon.

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« Reply #1254 on: January 27, 2009, 01:01:24 PM »
The Jockie Tams. Shame, fried Mars bars, can's of Heavy, drugs and play stations put an end to all that mate.
We all know what great footballers came out of there, but that's what I reckon put paid to it. Solving it's the problem, though. And that's not a dig. I'd love to see some decent Jocks back in our side. It's tradition.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1255 on: January 27, 2009, 01:01:28 PM »
would it be fair to say that Shanks bought Emlyn to replace Willie, whom i only remember seeing on the box...?
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« Reply #1256 on: January 27, 2009, 01:10:10 PM »
St John from Hunt's cross.

Ha...nice one Terry!
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« Reply #1257 on: January 27, 2009, 01:14:22 PM »
Anyone been watching the Big Match Revisted on ITV 4? It's on at 11:30 of a morning. Gerald Sinstat with jet black hair and a porno-tach. Orange balls on a frosty snow covered pitch (Cue jokes). Brian Moore with hair. Beer bellies and combovers. Ahh football. Blazers for goal posts and all that. Fucking great.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1258 on: January 27, 2009, 01:50:37 PM »
would it be fair to say that Shanks bought Emlyn to replace Willie, whom i only remember seeing on the box...?

Emlyn was actually bought as a full back. I don't think there was any intention of replacing Willie - it just happened! I dug out one of my old scrapbooks (yeah, still got 'em!) and this is from the report of the Liverpool v Arsenal game at the start of 67/8. "...it was difficult not to notice the impact Emlyn Hughes is making on the team's well-being. Beyond a shadow of a doubt manager Bill Shankly's hunch that wing half is the position in which Hughes will make good is accurate."

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« Reply #1259 on: January 27, 2009, 01:54:28 PM »
Great stuff about 'Stevo' lads. Keep up the good work.

Found this:

From 'The Liverpool Football Book'  edited by Derek Hodgson 1970:

'The test was to come in the First [Division] where, as one famous manager put it, 'they don't give you room to spit'. Shrewd observers not blinded by allegiance to the Liverpool flag, had dark reservations about the side's re-entry into the top flight.

Such was the background to the arrival, via Australia, of Willie Stevenson in October 1962, for a transfer fee variously reported at £20,000 and £35,000....whatever the price, it turned out to be a gilt-edged investment....

...Shankly wanted blend - that hard-to-define aspect of every successful side. He found it, possibly to a finer degree than the most successful manager of the Sixties had dared to hope for in one of his most optimistic moods.

Stevenson brought a new element to the side. He gave Liverpool an extra finesse in a hard-working side which allowed him to express his talent and flair for attack from midfield. Often Stevenson took his game to and even beyond that of any midfield player imported from Scotland since the war.....

...A lesser character than Stevenson would have developed permanent doubts about his ability. After two 'glorious years' which saw the Rangers of Glasgow win both League and Cup, Stevenson drifted into a dispute with his club.

He emigrated, perhaps impulsively, to Australia, where he agreed to join the Apia club in Sydney. A wage of £30 for playing and £30 as a storekeeper, plus sunshine, sounded like paradise regained until a technical difficulty over his registration with FIFA...exploded about him.

In three months, Stevenson did not play. He had not kicked a ball in serious competition for six months when he decided to pay his fare of £326 for the 12,000 mile flight and headed back towards Glasgow.

It was time for Stevenson to take stock of himself after what he admits was a 'nightmare experience', now knowing that Liverpool were to be the winners among a horde of English clubs willing to sign him. Shankly had not forgotten the slim youngster whose only club attachment used to be Hibs in Edinburgh.

Life had been good at Rangers....'like walking on air'. The sky was Rangers' blue only to be suddenly clouded. 'I lost form,' recalled Stevenson. 'They dropped me. I was playing terribly. I struggled even in the reserve side. In the end I came to the conclusion that I was burned out by the years at the top as such a young player  among so many great names like Jimmy Millar and Ralph Brand, to name but two'.

The talent, however, was still there waiting to be roused. Shankly did it with his own special brand of inspiration and leadership. Despite Stevenson being desperately short of training, Shankly and the Liverpool delegation swooped.

Stevenson repaid the confidence in full, making his debut (in a losing side) at Anfield against Burnley to begin a prosperous reign that lasted until the start of the 1968/69 season when Emlyn Hughes exploded on the scene after his transfer from Blackpool.'

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« Reply #1260 on: January 27, 2009, 01:55:31 PM »
Beyond a shadow of a doubt manager Bill Shankly's hunch that wing half is the position in which Hughes will make good is accurate."

What's a wing-half Dad?
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« Reply #1261 on: January 27, 2009, 02:02:15 PM »
What's a wing-half Dad?

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« Reply #1262 on: January 27, 2009, 02:03:36 PM »
St John from Hunt's cross.

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« Reply #1263 on: January 27, 2009, 02:05:28 PM »
Plays just in front of the custodian...

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1264 on: January 28, 2009, 01:09:26 PM »

St John from Hunt's cross.


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« Reply #1265 on: January 28, 2009, 02:44:20 PM »
Stevenson was the silent type of player. Never got flustered, rock solid and rock hard. Was know as the granite kin, being from Aberdeen. Had a rocket like shot, but could also place a ball into the back of the net from outside the box. Great tackler and passer of the ball. Very really did Willie give away stray passes.

Being the quiet type he never received the credit he often deserved.

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« Reply #1266 on: January 28, 2009, 02:48:20 PM »
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1267 on: January 28, 2009, 02:52:47 PM »
Great stuff about 'Stevo' lads. Keep up the good work.

Found this:

From 'The Liverpool Football Book'  edited by Derek Hodgson 1970:

'The test was to come in the First [Division] where, as one famous manager put it, 'they don't give you room to spit'. Shrewd observers not blinded by allegiance to the Liverpool flag, had dark reservations about the side's re-entry into the top flight.

Such was the background to the arrival, via Australia, of Willie Stevenson in October 1962, for a transfer fee variously reported at £20,000 and £35,000....whatever the price, it turned out to be a gilt-edged investment....

...Shankly wanted blend - that hard-to-define aspect of every successful side. He found it, possibly to a finer degree than the most successful manager of the Sixties had dared to hope for in one of his most optimistic moods.

Stevenson brought a new element to the side. He gave Liverpool an extra finesse in a hard-working side which allowed him to express his talent and flair for attack from midfield. Often Stevenson took his game to and even beyond that of any midfield player imported from Scotland since the war.....

...A lesser character than Stevenson would have developed permanent doubts about his ability. After two 'glorious years' which saw the Rangers of Glasgow win both League and Cup, Stevenson drifted into a dispute with his club.

He emigrated, perhaps impulsively, to Australia, where he agreed to join the Apia club in Sydney. A wage of £30 for playing and £30 as a storekeeper, plus sunshine, sounded like paradise regained until a technical difficulty over his registration with FIFA...exploded about him.

In three months, Stevenson did not play. He had not kicked a ball in serious competition for six months when he decided to pay his fare of £326 for the 12,000 mile flight and headed back towards Glasgow.

It was time for Stevenson to take stock of himself after what he admits was a 'nightmare experience', now knowing that Liverpool were to be the winners among a horde of English clubs willing to sign him. Shankly had not forgotten the slim youngster whose only club attachment used to be Hibs in Edinburgh.

Life had been good at Rangers....'like walking on air'. The sky was Rangers' blue only to be suddenly clouded. 'I lost form,' recalled Stevenson. 'They dropped me. I was playing terribly. I struggled even in the reserve side. In the end I came to the conclusion that I was burned out by the years at the top as such a young player  among so many great names like Jimmy Millar and Ralph Brand, to name but two'.

The talent, however, was still there waiting to be roused. Shankly did it with his own special brand of inspiration and leadership. Despite Stevenson being desperately short of training, Shankly and the Liverpool delegation swooped.

Stevenson repaid the confidence in full, making his debut (in a losing side) at Anfield against Burnley to begin a prosperous reign that lasted until the start of the 1968/69 season when Emlyn Hughes exploded on the scene after his transfer from Blackpool.'

Awesome stuff. Thanks Redsnappa mate!

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1268 on: January 29, 2009, 12:58:08 AM »
Does anyone  remember the

"flying high up in the sky"

"we'll keep the Red flag flying high"

"out of work and on the doll"



Last time I remember us singing the same song...



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« Reply #1269 on: January 29, 2009, 01:39:01 AM »
Does anyone  remember the

"flying high up in the sky"

"we'll keep the Red flag flying high"

"out of work and on the doll"



Last time I remember us singing the same song...

Can't remember us singing that mate.
We probably started singing it first though and the Mancs pinched it, like they've done with many of their songs over the years.
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« Reply #1270 on: January 29, 2009, 01:42:44 AM »
Awesome stuff. Thanks Redsnappa mate!
NP Roy, glad to be of help. I've got a few old Liverpool books, so if you ever want me to do a search on something, give us a shout.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1271 on: January 29, 2009, 01:47:34 AM »
There's a few clips on youtube that are worth watching. Some of his movment and passing around the box is fantastic. Cliche... but it looked well ahead of it's time, just simple give and go some of it but so effective and practically impossible for the other team to counter.

Do you use the same
Can't remember us singing that mate.
We probably started singing it first though and the Mancs pinched it, like they've done with many of their songs over the years.

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« Reply #1272 on: January 29, 2009, 01:51:02 AM »
Am i classed as an auld arse?
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« Reply #1273 on: January 29, 2009, 01:52:36 AM »
Am i classed as an auld arse?
No.. 40 and over, so piss off.. ;)
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1274 on: January 29, 2009, 01:53:57 AM »
No, 40 and over, so piss off.. ;)

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1275 on: January 29, 2009, 01:54:49 AM »
Am i classed as an auld arse?
Anyone over 25 these days according to my lad who is deffo middle aged at 22.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1276 on: January 29, 2009, 01:57:02 AM »
Anyone over 25 these days according to my lad who is deffo middle aged at 22.

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I would answer you but i have left this thread because i'm under 40.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1277 on: January 29, 2009, 01:59:09 AM »
I would answer you but i have left this thread because i'm under 40.
I was jesting, yer moody fecker.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1278 on: January 29, 2009, 02:00:10 AM »
I would answer you but i have left this thread because i'm under 40.
Who said that?

There's no one else in here beside us codgers. Eerie or what.....

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #1279 on: January 29, 2009, 02:05:57 AM »
I was jesting, yer moody fecker.

So was i you senile old git.

Who said that?

There's no one else in here beside us codgers. Eerie or what.....

It was Terry he is a bully.
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