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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99680 on: May 19, 2019, 06:18:34 PM »
He seems best at RB to me, plays very similar to TAA.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99681 on: May 19, 2019, 06:19:19 PM »
Hoever looks like he’s real quality

Was exciting to see him v wolves but he looks a lot bigger now but might be my imagination

Looks a great talent and between him and Gomez I’d see RB covered behind TAA

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99682 on: May 19, 2019, 06:22:43 PM »
Has Hoever actually signed his pro contract?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99683 on: May 19, 2019, 06:27:40 PM »
Has Hoever actually signed his pro contract?

Well the club have already shown their faith in him, so even if he hasn't he should know he has a good chance of games in the future.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99684 on: May 19, 2019, 06:29:07 PM »
Has Hoever actually signed his pro contract?

Already played on the FA cup,no ?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99685 on: May 19, 2019, 06:36:07 PM »
Already played on the FA cup,no ?

That doesn’t mean he has a pro contract
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99686 on: May 19, 2019, 06:43:54 PM »
That doesn’t mean he has a pro contract


Didn't think he'd get a squad number without having signed pro.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99687 on: May 19, 2019, 08:55:47 PM »
Has Hoever actually signed his pro contract?
No. He is not 18 yet

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99688 on: May 19, 2019, 10:39:15 PM »
No. He is not 18 yet
Can sign your first pro deal at 17

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99689 on: May 20, 2019, 04:02:23 AM »
Can sign your first pro deal at 17
He was signed at 16 and I dont believe we have signed him to a pro deal since then

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99690 on: May 20, 2019, 04:12:10 AM »
Can sign your first pro deal at 17

Yes but I've not idea if he has or not,just assumed because he got a squad number.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99691 on: May 20, 2019, 09:54:01 AM »
Hoever didn't quite look ready to me. Sure he did well for a 17-year old but I dont think he can really be considered a proper option just yet. His development is coming along nicely and if he can just kick on a bit more than maybe in a season or a couple of seasons he'd be there.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99692 on: May 20, 2019, 10:09:33 AM »
Last interview I saw with Klopp (think Jan or Feb time) he hadn’t yet signed a deal but he said there is plenty of time for that. I imagine we’ll give him a deal this summer.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99693 on: May 20, 2019, 07:39:17 PM »
Abdi sharif got his first call up to the england youth sides replacing jones for the u18s

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99694 on: May 20, 2019, 10:30:47 PM »
Looks like we're potentially signing a 16 year old Polish goalkeeper
https://m.legia.net/news/jakub-ojrzynski-o-krok-od-liverpoolu/74096

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99695 on: May 20, 2019, 10:38:57 PM »
Looks like we're potentially signing a 16 year old Polish goalkeeper
https://m.legia.net/news/jakub-ojrzynski-o-krok-od-liverpoolu/74096

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99696 on: May 21, 2019, 04:54:09 PM »
Has Hoever actually signed his pro contract?

Think he has and why we got him when his contract ran out at Ajax  for £90k compensation

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99697 on: May 21, 2019, 04:58:47 PM »
Abdi sharif got his first call up to the england youth sides replacing jones for the u18s
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99698 on: May 21, 2019, 05:12:27 PM »
Think he has and why we got him when his contract ran out at Ajax  for £90k compensation

He couldn't sign pro when we got him in Sept 18 as he wasn't 17 yet.


A recent article about how we signed him over other clubs..
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ki-jana-hoever-liverpool-transfer-15659510

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99699 on: May 22, 2019, 04:50:20 PM »
Liverpool are closing in on a £200,000 deal for highly-rated young Polish goalkeeper Jakub Ojrzynski.

The 16-year-old shot-stopper will make the move from Legia Warsaw this summer after the Reds won the race for his signature.


The Poland Under-16s international had also attracted interest from the likes of Manchester United, Valencia and Juventus.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99700 on: May 22, 2019, 05:26:39 PM »
Liverpool are closing in on a £200,000 deal for highly-rated young Polish goalkeeper Jakub Ojrzynski.

The 16-year-old shot-stopper will make the move from Legia Warsaw this summer after the Reds won the race for his signature.


The Poland Under-16s international had also attracted interest from the likes of Manchester United, Valencia and Juventus.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99701 on: May 23, 2019, 12:51:39 AM »
Joyce and Hunter are reporting that Ojo will be offered a new five year deal and then sent back on loan next season
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/liverpool-champions-league-spain-friendly-jurgen-klopp

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99702 on: May 23, 2019, 04:00:37 AM »
Joyce and Hunter are reporting that Ojo will be offered a new five year deal and then sent back on loan next season
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/liverpool-champions-league-spain-friendly-jurgen-klopp

I get the feeling that Klopp has a lot more patience then most when it comes to young players development

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99703 on: May 23, 2019, 06:54:44 AM »
Saw a headline on SSN that says Saints, Brighton and Newcastle interested in £25m rated Harry Wilson.
Really hope we keep this lad, looks a real talent, we can't just sell our best young players, even for good money.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99704 on: May 23, 2019, 07:26:50 AM »
Saw a headline on SSN that says Saints, Brighton and Newcastle interested in £25m rated Harry Wilson.
Really hope we keep this lad, looks a real talent, we can't just sell our best young players, even for good money.

It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99705 on: May 23, 2019, 07:40:40 AM »
Joyce and Hunter are reporting that Ojo will be offered a new five year deal and then sent back on loan next season
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/liverpool-champions-league-spain-friendly-jurgen-klopp
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99706 on: May 23, 2019, 07:42:19 AM »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.
Only one I can think of that would be worth it would be Gulacsi and he not good enough to start over Alisson. He also at the age where u want to start as a Goalie.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99707 on: May 23, 2019, 08:07:33 AM »
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career

Possibly but at the same time Football is not always full of stability. Any manner of things can go wrong and knowing you have a five year contract to fall back on at a club like ours is a huge incentive.

If he does well he will have clubs after and if not we are always there plus being at Liverpool will always attract attention of other clubs.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99708 on: May 23, 2019, 08:09:02 AM »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.

I do trust the manager, however whilst you can argue how much game time he will get I do feel Wilson is a cut above the likes of Brad Smith and Ibe.
He has an eye for goal, and is very good at set pieces, anyway I hope we keep him.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99709 on: May 23, 2019, 08:18:10 AM »
Saw a headline on SSN that says Saints, Brighton and Newcastle interested in £25m rated Harry Wilson.
Really hope we keep this lad, looks a real talent, we can't just sell our best young players, even for good money.

Klopp rates Harry and Harry said Klopp is always on the phone to him.

A lot of senior players will miss most of the pre season and Harry plus others will have a major part in this years pre season.

I doubt we would sell such talent at this early stage. I can see him on our bench next season or loaned out to a PL club.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99710 on: May 23, 2019, 08:22:21 AM »
Possibly but at the same time Football is not always full of stability. Any manner of things can go wrong and knowing you have a five year contract to fall back on at a club like ours is a huge incentive.

If he does well he will have clubs after and if not we are always there plus being at Liverpool will always attract attention of other clubs.
True, but the loan market makes it harder to get that chance to shine. A slow start and that's you pretty much done as the club look to their other loans or players they can actually profit off.

He signed a long term deal last summer so surprised we're already looking to extend it after an unsuccessful loan.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99711 on: May 23, 2019, 08:23:23 AM »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.

Conor Coady has probably kicked on more than what most expected.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99712 on: May 23, 2019, 08:24:40 AM »
After the article in the NYT, I feel as if any decision made by the club on players is grounded on valid inferential stats that accurately predict future success. Whoever is let go and signed, I am cool with it for now.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99713 on: May 23, 2019, 08:27:25 AM »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.

Suso and Coady might make our squad now.

We don't need to spend loads in the summer and I think it would be also pointless selling top talent that want to be at the club.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99714 on: May 23, 2019, 09:08:59 AM »
Klopp rates Harry and Harry said Klopp is always on the phone to him.

A lot of senior players will miss most of the pre season and Harry plus others will have a major part in this years pre season.

I doubt we would sell such talent at this early stage. I can see him on our bench next season or loaned out to a PL club.

That’s a big boost if the manager is always on the phone to him!!

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99715 on: May 23, 2019, 10:19:30 AM »
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career

Have to agree with that. He isn't getting a sniff here for the foreseeable not in midfield or as a forward at least. The only way I can see him working here is if he converts to full-back. He has the physical qualities, but does he have the tactical nous?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99716 on: May 23, 2019, 01:08:34 PM »
Suso and Coady might make our squad now.
Only because they've been getting valuable game time elsewhere.

There's no way either would be near the starting line-up.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99717 on: May 23, 2019, 01:12:31 PM »
Joyce and Hunter are reporting that Ojo will be offered a new five year deal and then sent back on loan next season
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/liverpool-champions-league-spain-friendly-jurgen-klopp
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career
Have to agree with that. He isn't getting a sniff here for the foreseeable not in midfield or as a forward at least. The only way I can see him working here is if he converts to full-back. He has the physical qualities, but does he have the tactical nous?
Makes total sense to sign the lad up and then hope he does enough on loan to bring in some money.

If he does amazingly well elsewhere and starts living up to the hint of potential he was showing a few years ago, then maybe there's even a route back for him. After all, we thought Origi's Liverpool career was dead and buried.

If he does quite well elsewhere, then we can sell him for a profit on what we sold him for.

If he bombs to shit, then we haven't really lost anything as long as the contract we've given him isn't too silly. He can just keep going out on loan until a permanent move materialises, or his deal runs out, whichever happens soonest.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99718 on: May 23, 2019, 02:11:22 PM »
Only because they've been getting valuable game time elsewhere.

There's no way either would be near the starting line-up.

But that's why it makes no sense selling top talent so early.

If they're willing sign a deal with the club and go out on loan then we bring them back as squad fillers to see how they get on.

As shown with Wilson and Kent we can still increase their value doing it this way.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99719 on: May 23, 2019, 02:24:58 PM »
Makes total sense to sign the lad up and then hope he does enough on loan to bring in some money.


Yes, from our POV. From his? Depends how good the money is I suppose.