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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99720 on: May 23, 2019, 02:31:07 PM »
But that's why it makes no sense selling top talent so early.

If they're willing sign a deal with the club and go out on loan then we bring them back as squad fillers to see how they get on.

As shown with Wilson and Kent we can still increase their value doing it this way.

How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99721 on: May 23, 2019, 07:16:44 PM »
But that's why it makes no sense selling top talent so early.

If they're willing sign a deal with the club and go out on loan then we bring them back as squad fillers to see how they get on.

As shown with Wilson and Kent we can still increase their value doing it this way.
Yeah, I guess that's right.

As long as the player is playing games and advancing their career, then we might as well hold the registration and be in position to make some money.

But I do think a player is more likely to bed in and excel at a club if they know it's their permanent home.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99722 on: May 23, 2019, 07:17:38 PM »
How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)
They left before Edwards was in charge of such things, but you're right, we don't know for sure what the situation was.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99723 on: May 23, 2019, 09:19:52 PM »
How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)

I think you're right, they actually was.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99724 on: May 23, 2019, 10:30:59 PM »
I think you're right, they actually was.

Suso certainly either ran it down or bought it out a few months early.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99725 on: May 30, 2019, 03:14:51 AM »
Seems like Tagseth is leaving, sadly...

Read it on Paul Glatzel Insta-story.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99726 on: June 1, 2019, 02:36:46 PM »
Really sad to hear about Tagseth.  Loved his tenacity in his first season in the U18s under Gerrard.

It seems we have 2 kids from Sunderland joining us next season according to the Echo. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99727 on: June 1, 2019, 06:20:51 PM »
Gutted if Tagseth is off, love his playstyle and think he could become a wonderful talent. Really smart player

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99728 on: June 5, 2019, 04:09:06 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/05/premier-league-youth-teams-reality-brighton-coach-simon-rusk

“I can’t blame [Hughton] for not giving younger players an opportunity,” says Rusk. “To play a young player you’ve got to put three, four or five noses out of joint in the dressing room. So, unless it’s an absolute screaming talent, it’s a hard thing to do. You need to keep all your squad happy as you are going to war once or twice a week. It’s incredibly tough in the Premier League as there’s millions of pounds resting on every finishing position.”

Imagine it's the same at LFC, except more so.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99729 on: June 5, 2019, 04:20:09 PM »
Any updates on Ojo, has that contract extension been mentioned ?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99730 on: June 5, 2019, 04:25:28 PM »
How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)

Suso was the mistake but he was badly managed by Rodgers. When he did start he'd be hauled off early because Rodgers had got his tactics wrong rather than anything Suso had done wrong particularly. When he came off the bench he'd usually make a big impact but he was rarely used off the bench at all and went months and months without minutes. He could have easily been developed into a good squad player. It's no wonder he ran his contract down.

Coady maybe the same but it wasn't until Nuno came in at Wolves and built a system that worked for him and he really matured as a player. Before that he was an average Championship player in terms of his standing. I always thought he could come good though, he reminded me of Carragher who also took time to mature but got the minutes here to do it. The difference now though is Carra wouldn't have got the years at full back to do it because the nature of the position has changed.

Rossiter was another one I thought could come back to bite us but he's been absolutely battered by injuries at Rangers.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99731 on: June 5, 2019, 11:07:54 PM »
Once Klopp comes back from his well earned break, plans will inevitably turn to the pre-season. I am wondering who has a good chance of making the pre-season tour. The African players may still be away or at least on their hols, which youngsters will make the cut this season. There has been some good performances at both under 18's and the under 23's who does everyone want to see on the tour?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99732 on: June 5, 2019, 11:18:20 PM »
Once Klopp comes back from his well earned break, plans will inevitably turn to the pre-season. I am wondering who has a good chance of making the pre-season tour. The African players may still be away or at least on their hols, which youngsters will make the cut this season. There has been some good performances at both under 18's and the under 23's who does everyone want to see on the tour?

Curtis Jones, Larouci maybe?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99733 on: June 6, 2019, 12:25:00 AM »
Curtis Jones, Larouci maybe?

I think Curtis is a given Larouci is someone I would really like to see out there really enjoyed watching him this season. I will throw in a few more names, Ki-Jana Hoever, Adam Lewis, Edvard Tagseth, Luis Longstaff, Paul Glatzel and Bobby Duncan perhaps a couple from that group as well. I would really like a few to go on this tour especially with possibly some familiar faces missing, be fascinating to see who makes an impression.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99734 on: June 6, 2019, 07:17:17 AM »
Doubt Tagseth, Jill, if it's true he's leaving. I'd love to see Larouci and Hoever on this tour.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99735 on: June 6, 2019, 07:31:22 AM »
Unless they have a loan already sorted wilson, ojo and kent will be going. Then with those who usually train up in Jones, hoever, phillips, woodburn, camacho if he stays, Herbie Kane as well if hes not on loan. Don't think there is going to be many new faces initially.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99736 on: June 6, 2019, 10:31:42 AM »
Rhys Williams might be in with a shout.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99737 on: June 6, 2019, 01:38:24 PM »
What kind of player is this Larouci? Remember hearing good things when we signed him and thats continued in his time here but i haven't seen him play. Whats his playstyle and am i right in thinking he came in as a winger but is playing as more of a fullback or have i completely made that up?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99738 on: June 6, 2019, 02:39:17 PM »
What kind of player is this Larouci? Remember hearing good things when we signed him and thats continued in his time here but i haven't seen him play. Whats his playstyle and am i right in thinking he came in as a winger but is playing as more of a fullback or have i completely made that up?

Judging by the final, he's a LB with a lot of energy and aggression. Was our best player on the day. I'd imagine he's some way off being given an opportunity with the first team as he hasn't even progressed fully from the U18s to the U23s yet.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99739 on: June 6, 2019, 02:53:02 PM »
Judging by the final, he's a LB with a lot of energy and aggression. Was our best player on the day. I'd imagine he's some way off being given an opportunity with the first team as he hasn't even progressed fully from the U18s to the U23s yet.

Cheers mate, sounds good. I'm not too worried with the whole first team thing as i'd assume he's behind Lewis in that pecking order anyway

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99740 on: June 6, 2019, 07:20:45 PM »
Unless they have a loan already sorted wilson, ojo and kent will be going. Then with those who usually train up in Jones, hoever, phillips, woodburn, camacho if he stays, Herbie Kane as well if hes not on loan. Don't think there is going to be many new faces initially.

Not even Adam Lewis or Hoever?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99741 on: June 6, 2019, 07:22:37 PM »
Curtis Jones, Larouci maybe?
Jones was on the tour last year would expect him to be on the tour again.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99742 on: June 6, 2019, 07:30:11 PM »
Mentioned hoever in my post. Would be surprised if he doesnt go as hes always training with the first team and seems to travel regularly. Lewis probably depends how many bodies they need.  Removing moreno, sturridge,copa and afcon playerd from the champions league final 23 would only give 6 places. Dont think we'd take much more than that to a friendly. Wilson, kent, ojo, jones, woodburn, hoever?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99743 on: June 7, 2019, 03:27:01 AM »
Jones seems to have been slightly overshadowed by the success of Glatzel&Duncan and the excitement around Brewster’s imminent return this season, but he’s perhaps my favourite prospect in our pool. Thought he was excellent last preseason in his first go round with the senior side and he has real game changing abilities from midfield or out wide. Really hope he shines again this summer and starts to force his way in to the team.

Also, I believe today is the day we may start hearing more about departures from the academy. Always interesting to see what kind of turnover takes place.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99744 on: June 7, 2019, 10:06:37 AM »
Has Jones signed a new contract yet? I thought it was due to expire in 2020.  Presumably will be keen to sign up.  I think he could really do with a loan.  Rangers?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99745 on: June 7, 2019, 10:35:51 AM »
Has Jones signed a new contract yet? I thought it was due to expire in 2020.  Presumably will be keen to sign up.  I think he could really do with a loan.  Rangers?

If his contract is due to expire next summer then his willingness to sign a new deal will be key to what happens next. I'm sure there were rumours that Bundesliga clubs were interested in him - may have been from a Si Hughes article

I rate Jones though he had a difficult season in 2018/19. Hopefully he signs a new contract and then gets a good loan deal.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99746 on: June 7, 2019, 11:08:43 AM »
Apparently we've signed two unnamed kids from Sunderland. Sunderland's chairman Stewart Donald revealed it on the Roker Report podcast

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99747 on: June 7, 2019, 11:14:53 AM »
Jones seems to have been slightly overshadowed by the success of Glatzel&Duncan and the excitement around Brewster’s imminent return this season, but he’s perhaps my favourite prospect in our pool. Thought he was excellent last preseason in his first go round with the senior side and he has real game changing abilities from midfield or out wide. Really hope he shines again this summer and starts to force his way in to the team.

Also, I believe today is the day we may start hearing more about departures from the academy. Always interesting to see what kind of turnover takes place.

To be honest he’s by far the most talented alongside Hoever, i think Glatzel and Duncan will struggle to make it here long term, neither have the stand out qualities like pace, dribbling, Brewster for example has, Jones Hoever and possibly Larouci are the prospects I would back the most.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99748 on: June 7, 2019, 11:32:32 AM »
I agree Jones is a great prospect but from what I saw of the U23 games, he was hugely inconsistent, though getting much better towards the end of the season.  Only to be expected at his age but he’ll need to increase that consistency to get a good loan or he will spend it on the bench. 

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« Reply #99749 on: June 7, 2019, 03:07:12 PM »
Liverpool FC's Premier League retained list was released on Friday, confirming the departures of several first team and Academy players after the 2018-19 season.

As announced earlier this week, Alberto Moreno and Daniel Sturridge are set to leave the Reds upon the expiry of their contracts this summer having helped the club clinch its sixth European Cup.

Academy graduate Connor Randall, who made eight senior appearances under Jürgen Klopp, and goalkeeper Adam Bogdan, who played six games for the first team, will depart ahead of 2019-20 too.

Academy players Juanma, Conor Masterson, Glen McAuley, Corey Whelan and Ben Williams are also set to leave the club.

Contract offers have been made to Bobby Adekanye, Daniel Atherton, George Johnston, Abdi Sharif and Edvard Tagseth.

Everybody at Liverpool FC thanks the departing players for their contributions and wishes them the best of luck for the future.

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/353300-liverpool-confirm-premier-league-retained-list?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99750 on: June 7, 2019, 03:09:48 PM »
Contract offers have been made to Bobby Adekanye, Daniel Atherton, George Johnston, Abdi Sharif and Edvard Tagseth.

Sign or bugger off?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99751 on: June 7, 2019, 03:11:09 PM »
Apparently we've signed two unnamed kids from Sunderland. Sunderland's chairman Stewart Donald revealed it on the Roker Report podcast
We signed one last summer as well. Think they're getting picked apart by a few clubs, always the problem for clubs lower down who put together good youth sides

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99752 on: June 7, 2019, 03:11:48 PM »
Sign or bugger off?

Their contracts expire end of this month, but Liverpool want to keep them. So it's their call! Sign, or leave and go to another club.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99753 on: June 7, 2019, 03:14:58 PM »
Sign or bugger off?

I find it interesting we've offered Adekanye one given it's publicly intimated that he wants out with various links to clubs in Italy/Spain

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99754 on: June 7, 2019, 03:16:28 PM »
I find it interesting we've offered Adekanye one given it's publicly intimated that he wants out with various links to clubs in Italy/Spain
Sometimes it's just to gurantee we get money from clubs they end up signing for

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99755 on: June 7, 2019, 03:27:25 PM »
I find it interesting we've offered Adekanye one given it's publicly intimated that he wants out with various links to clubs in Italy/Spain
Means we’ll get compensation if he signs elsewhere

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99756 on: June 7, 2019, 03:29:57 PM »
Apparently we've signed two unnamed kids from Sunderland. Sunderland's chairman Stewart Donald revealed it on the Roker Report podcast

There were talks of Luca Stephenson earlier this season.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99757 on: June 7, 2019, 03:35:06 PM »
Means we’ll get compensation if he signs elsewhere

Ah thought so

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99758 on: June 7, 2019, 05:23:29 PM »
I suppose we don't know whether the "contract 5" - Bobby Adekanye, Daniel Atherton, George Johnston, Abdi Sharif and Edvard Tagseth - are all looking to leave or whether some of them may have been offered contracts late with this deadline approaching...

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« Reply #99759 on: June 7, 2019, 07:48:35 PM »
I suppose we don't know whether the "contract 5" - Bobby Adekanye, Daniel Atherton, George Johnston, Abdi Sharif and Edvard Tagseth - are all looking to leave or whether some of them may have been offered contracts late with this deadline approaching...

I’ve read before that decisions are made tend to be made by March.   I think we first heard Bobby was refusing to sign before that.  So I imagine they were all offered a while back but either have no intention of signing or are keeping their options open.  Coming through our academy has become harder for sure and the waste of promising early talent, eg Masterson, is going to impact on others’ decisions.  When you look at some of those we released (not contract offered) from our academy a few years ago, some have made it to regular first team football elsewhere in the lower leagues by still developing at academy age elsewhere.  Leave it too late with little football in the wretched U21s system and the chances of success seem to fall, perhaps because they become to used to playing technical football the ‘right way’.