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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101960 on: August 25, 2020, 08:14:55 PM »
Neil Jones saying Klopp has held two one-to-one training sessions with Koumetio, working on tactical understanding and positioning.
This sounds good, but it would be nice to know the context, ie does this happen with a lot of our young players or is Koumetio the only one Klopp's done this with? Not that it really matters, I'm just curious as it might provide an indication of just how highly Klopp rates him. As others have said, he does look really good, ridiculously good considering his age actually, but all I have to go on are these two preseason matches as I don't watch the youth sides these days.

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« Reply #101961 on: August 25, 2020, 08:59:51 PM »
I just love that this post is in this thread.   ;D

Yeah, Milner has been acting as both, a father figure and a teacher for the younger players.

Looks like heís trying to end Tsmikas though.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101962 on: August 25, 2020, 09:32:01 PM »
Milner seems to be making sure new players have a welcome to the club and also keeping everyone on their toes to make sure no one goes big time and lets standards drop because we have won a title. Looks like great leadership to me and will probably be mirrored by Hendo when he returns.

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« Reply #101963 on: August 26, 2020, 12:07:57 AM »
Looks like heís trying to end Tsmikas though.

Yeah he almost killed him and helped daka get a third! Lol.

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« Reply #101964 on: August 26, 2020, 12:20:18 AM »
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Liverpool complete signing of German youth international from Hoffenheim
Highly-rated 16-year-old Melkamu Frauendorf has completed his transfer to Liverpool

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-transfer-news-melkamu-frauendorf-18825038.amp
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101965 on: August 26, 2020, 08:42:06 AM »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101966 on: August 26, 2020, 08:50:13 AM »
This sounds good, but it would be nice to know the context, ie does this happen with a lot of our young players or is Koumetio the only one Klopp's done this with? Not that it really matters, I'm just curious as it might provide an indication of just how highly Klopp rates him. As others have said, he does look really good, ridiculously good considering his age actually, but all I have to go on are these two preseason matches as I don't watch the youth sides these days.

Pretty sure I read this was because the club didn't want to push him too much (as he is still developing physically) with the heavy sessions the seniors are doing so they pulled him out of one session a day. Klopp took him to one side to do something different instead of him just being sat around.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101967 on: August 26, 2020, 04:17:07 PM »
Liverpool complete signing of German youth international from Hoffenheim
Highly-rated 16-year-old Melkamu Frauendorf has completed his transfer to Liverpool

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-transfer-news-melkamu-frauendorf-18825038.amp
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Seems a fancy way of saying that we're giving them money? Or is James Milner flying to Germany for a day to yell at some Hoffenheim U-18s?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101968 on: August 26, 2020, 04:22:52 PM »
What exactly does this line mean?Seems a fancy way of saying that we're giving them money? Or is James Milner flying to Germany for a day to yell at some Hoffenheim U-18s?

Its basically compensation for them for "educating" him for however many years he's been there.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101970 on: August 27, 2020, 11:53:17 PM »
https://youtu.be/DUaaexoPfgs

Extended highlights of the u23s game

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101971 on: August 27, 2020, 11:57:19 PM »
What exactly does this line mean?Seems a fancy way of saying that we're giving them money? Or is James Milner flying to Germany for a day to yell at some Hoffenheim U-18s?

It's like when over here it goes to a tribunal, but it's a set fee that UEFA have set. Think it's only a few hundred thousand.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101972 on: August 28, 2020, 12:19:25 AM »
Isn't it a fixed fee of 250k when I youngster moves to a club in another country?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101973 on: August 28, 2020, 12:20:25 AM »
Isn't it a fixed fee of 250k when I youngster moves to a club in another country?

Yeah it's something like that unless it's changed recently. Really isn't like over here between clubs where it's decided on a case by cases basis and can be millions.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101974 on: August 28, 2020, 04:54:00 AM »
https://youtu.be/DUaaexoPfgs

Extended highlights of the u23s game

Thanks for this. From watching, I think I could identify:
Sepp Van den Berg
Remi Savage
Larouci
Woodburn
Elijah Dixon-Bonner
Jack Bearne
Liam Millar
Rhys Williams
Dal Varesanovic

Not sure who the #9 was (Awoniyi maybe? Didnít look tall enough) or the #7. Anyone have any ideas? Could be a trialist situation? The 9 scored and they didnít mention whoever it was on the official sites report, could support the trialist theory. The report on the site was so barebones it makes me wonder if we had a few involved that havenít officially signed yet.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101975 on: August 28, 2020, 11:09:59 AM »
Thanks for this. From watching, I think I could identify:
Sepp Van den Berg
Remi Savage
Larouci
Woodburn
Elijah Dixon-Bonner
Jack Bearne
Liam Millar
Rhys Williams
Dal Varesanovic

Not sure who the #9 was (Awoniyi maybe? Didn’t look tall enough) or the #7. Anyone have any ideas? Could be a trialist situation? The 9 scored and they didn’t mention whoever it was on the official sites report, could support the trialist theory. The report on the site was so barebones it makes me wonder if we had a few involved that haven’t officially signed yet.

Could be Awoniyi but pics of him suggest he is a much broader than the scorer on the vid.  I also saw Rhys Williams, Tom Clayton at CB in the second half (I recognised Rhys by his new hairstyle in the latest photo on the official website).  And Longstaff and Clarkson in the second half too.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101976 on: August 28, 2020, 11:19:14 AM »
Thanks for this. From watching, I think I could identify:
Sepp Van den Berg
Remi Savage
Larouci
Woodburn
Elijah Dixon-Bonner
Jack Bearne
Liam Millar
Rhys Williams
Dal Varesanovic

I thought Larouci was leaving/had left already?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101977 on: August 28, 2020, 02:34:14 PM »
Surprised SVDB was there. He's been sent to play with the kids, whilst Koumetio, Phillips stay with the firsts, or is there another reason?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101978 on: August 28, 2020, 02:39:31 PM »
Surprised SVDB was there. He's been sent to play with the kids, whilst Koumetio, Phillips stay with the firsts, or is there another reason?
I think Sepp is firmly in with the u23s for this season. Koumetio will be as well, but I think heís getting the extended look in with the first team that he hasnít had before. Phillips will get a move of some kind I would expect.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101979 on: August 28, 2020, 02:39:52 PM »
Surprised SVDB was there. He's been sent to play with the kids, whilst Koumetio, Phillips stay with the firsts, or is there another reason?

He didnít get any game time against Salzburg so maybe just for fitness?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101980 on: August 28, 2020, 02:40:09 PM »
I thought Larouci was leaving/had left already?

Heís said he isnít going to sign a new deal so heíll be getting a move. Hasnít materialized yet though.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101981 on: August 28, 2020, 02:42:22 PM »
Could be Awoniyi but pics of him suggest he is a much broader than the scorer on the vid.  I also saw Rhys Williams, Tom Clayton at CB in the second half (I recognised Rhys by his new hairstyle in the latest photo on the official website).  And Longstaff and Clarkson in the second half too.
Good eye, yeah. Didnít think it was Awoniyi either, must be a newbie of some kind (hence no name attributed to his goal). Itís been pretty quiet on the academy front so far in terms of news about coming and goings. Hopefully that changes soon and we get an idea of what the underage squads will look like.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101982 on: August 28, 2020, 02:50:00 PM »
5-0 win against Huddersfield for the u18s today. Frauendorf made his debut and scored. Harvey Blair with a brace (exciting prospect him), Sean Wilson and Tom Hill also scored.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101983 on: August 28, 2020, 03:31:38 PM »
5-0 win against Huddersfield for the u18s today. Frauendorf made his debut and scored. Harvey Blair with a brace (exciting prospect him), Sean Wilson and Tom Hill also scored.

Is Harvey a younger brother to Marley out of interest?   Marley appeared to join us a couple of years back then never played in the U18s, then left after a year.  He was also a forward/winger.  No idea why it didnít work out for Marley but if he is a brother I guess there are no hard feelings. 

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« Reply #101984 on: August 28, 2020, 04:16:02 PM »
Is Harvey a younger brother to Marley out of interest?   Marley appeared to join us a couple of years back then never played in the U18s, then left after a year.  He was also a forward/winger.  No idea why it didnít work out for Marley but if he is a brother I guess there are no hard feelings.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101985 on: August 28, 2020, 04:19:08 PM »
https://youtu.be/DUaaexoPfgs

Extended highlights of the u23s game

Recognised #4 as VDB, #10 was Bearne I think. 22# Larouci? Which other players had which number?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101986 on: August 28, 2020, 06:02:07 PM »
He didnít get any game time against Salzburg so maybe just for fitness?

He started the second half against Stuttgart, but was then subbed off for Koumetio. Did he pick up a knock, dip his cock in Jurgen's Erdinger, or what?  ;D

I'm guessing they need 4 CBs for full 11v11 training - with Phillips covering Matip's role while he's injured, even though, like you said, he is likely to be sold if we get an offer, so I'm guessing Koumetio has leap-frogged SVDB for that fourth spot?

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« Reply #101987 on: August 28, 2020, 06:19:01 PM »
He started the second half against Stuttgart, but was then subbed off for Koumetio. Did he pick up a knock, dip his cock in Jurgen's Erdinger, or what?  ;D

I'm guessing they need 4 CBs for full 11v11 training - with Phillips covering Matip's role while he's injured, even though, like you said, he is likely to be sold if we get an offer, so I'm guessing Koumetio has leap-frogged SVDB for that fourth spot?

I donít think either of sepp or Koumetio are legitimately in the running for fourth cb status for us this season. With the fixture congestion and injury history of both Matip and Gomez, Iíd say we are nailed in to bring in a first team senior cb.

Neither are ready yet. Iíd say Koumetio has probably surpassed Sepp, but they both need consistent game time at u23 level.

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« Reply #101988 on: August 28, 2020, 08:52:44 PM »
I donít think either of sepp or Koumetio are legitimately in the running for fourth cb status for us this season. With the fixture congestion and injury history of both Matip and Gomez, Iíd say we are nailed in to bring in a first team senior cb.

Neither are ready yet. Iíd say Koumetio has probably surpassed Sepp, but they both need consistent game time at u23 level.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101989 on: August 28, 2020, 10:59:17 PM »
The details of the new U18s are now on LFC.  I find it interesting that there is only 10 new players.  Thatís the smallest number for years I think, so finally fitting in with inglethorpeís policy of reducing numbers and going for quality.  More to the point 3 of those have been bought in from abroad, so only 7 promoted from U16.  Thatís tough on the number released.  And of the 10, 2 are goalies.  Why we need that many and LFC are still considering offering a contract to the 19 year old Spaniard making up the numbers to 5 training with the firsts in Austria, goodness only knows.  Goalies are becoming a bit of an obsession. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101990 on: August 28, 2020, 11:07:40 PM »
VdB's had his settling-in period, hopefully he kicks on this season. Looking back at his PEC Zwolle highlights, I'd say that he's yet to show those attributes at LFC, the English game is tougher and more intense, so it's understandable.

Once he's adapted we'll see more confident displays and his reading of the game should blossom. We'll see what Sepp is made of this season, I believe.

Koumetio and players blessed with his physique, athleticism and flair will often jump the queue as they've already got a part of the game youngsters struggle with.

Personally, alongside these two, I'm really interested in seeing Rhys Williams' development. He's impressed me almost every time I've seen him.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101991 on: August 29, 2020, 03:16:40 AM »
VdB's had his settling-in period, hopefully he kicks on this season. Looking back at his PEC Zwolle highlights, I'd say that he's yet to show those attributes at LFC, the English game is tougher and more intense, so it's understandable.

Once he's adapted we'll see more confident displays and his reading of the game should blossom. We'll see what Sepp is made of this season, I believe.

Koumetio and players blessed with his physique, athleticism and flair will often jump the queue as they've already got a part of the game youngsters struggle with.

Personally, alongside these two, I'm really interested in seeing Rhys Williams' development. He's impressed me almost every time I've seen him.
I thought Sepp looked a bit off the pace in his first few games for the first team last season, but he really stepped it up in the FA Cup replay against Shrewsbury. He was really impressive that day.
Yeah, hope he kicks on this season. It would be nice for him and Koumetio if we feel we can trust those two enough (along with Fabinho in bigger games) to not bring in another senior cb.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101992 on: August 29, 2020, 03:58:23 AM »
Thanks for this. From watching, I think I could identify:
Sepp Van den Berg
Remi Savage
Larouci
Woodburn
Elijah Dixon-Bonner
Jack Bearne
Liam Millar
Rhys Williams
Dal Varesanovic

Not sure who the #9 was (Awoniyi maybe? Didnít look tall enough) or the #7. Anyone have any ideas? Could be a trialist situation? The 9 scored and they didnít mention whoever it was on the official sites report, could support the trialist theory. The report on the site was so barebones it makes me wonder if we had a few involved that havenít officially signed yet.
#9 is Awoniyi and #7 is Ojo I think.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101993 on: August 29, 2020, 05:53:22 AM »
#9 is Awoniyi and #7 is Ojo I think.
That was my first thought, but then I thought they looked too small. 7 especially seemed too squat to be Ojo, but maybe it was just the camera angle or the new kits?

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« Reply #101994 on: August 29, 2020, 05:58:34 AM »
The details of the new U18s are now on LFC.  I find it interesting that there is only 10 new players.  Thatís the smallest number for years I think, so finally fitting in with inglethorpeís policy of reducing numbers and going for quality.  More to the point 3 of those have been bought in from abroad, so only 7 promoted from U16.  Thatís tough on the number released.  And of the 10, 2 are goalies.  Why we need that many and LFC are still considering offering a contract to the 19 year old Spaniard making up the numbers to 5 training with the firsts in Austria, goodness only knows.  Goalies are becoming a bit of an obsession.
The keeper thing is a bit odd, but Iím sure thereís a master plan. Train them in our style of play from an early age, hope one becomes good enough to be the heir apparent. No more need to spend 70 million on a keeper, and can likely turn a good profit on the others.

I do like our quality over quantity policy now. Especially with the new training complex opening soon, I think it gives a real sense of one team with one style of play/expectations etc. It should give the young lads something to really strive for and allow them more opportunities to work closely with their senior peers and coaches.

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« Reply #101995 on: August 29, 2020, 08:06:27 AM »
Regarding the debate on no9. It is interesting that he is the only scorer not mentioned on the official site report. Makes me think it was a trialist?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101996 on: August 29, 2020, 11:02:48 AM »
#9 is Awoniyi and #7 is Ojo I think.

Good call.  I think

2. Quansah?
3. Norris?
4. Sepp
5 Savage
6. Dixon-Bonner
7. OJo
8. Woodburn
9. awoniyi
10.  Bearne
11. Millar
12.  Rhys 2
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15.  Clayton
17.  Clarkson
18.  Cain
19. Glatzel
20. Sharif
21.  Longstaff
22. Larouci
23.  Varonesavic?

Couldnít see the goalies but reckon it was Jaros in the first half and Winterbottom in the second.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101997 on: August 29, 2020, 03:11:17 PM »
Pretty sure I read this was because the club didn't want to push him too much (as he is still developing physically) with the heavy sessions the seniors are doing so they pulled him out of one session a day. Klopp took him to one side to do something different instead of him just being sat around.
Ah, that makes sense, cheers man.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101998 on: August 30, 2020, 12:19:35 AM »
Itís disappointing that the Huddersfield and Carlisle highlights havenít made it on to LFC TV GO.

I may even fire off a strongly worded letter.

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« Reply #101999 on: August 30, 2020, 04:00:25 PM »
Itís disappointing that the Huddersfield and Carlisle highlights havenít made it on to LFC TV GO.

I may even fire off a strongly worded letter.
Youíd have to think at least the U18 highlights will be up today.