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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101920 on: August 23, 2020, 11:55:11 AM »
Anyone got updates on Adam Lewis's loan?? I know he played, but did he play well??
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101921 on: August 23, 2020, 12:14:04 PM »
What about big Billy eh?

Heís got the makings of a star thatís for sure.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101922 on: August 23, 2020, 12:40:56 PM »
Can we keep out these youth players won't make int in this thread?

Don't want to hear it to be honest. It's tough enough for any youth player as it is. I just want to know how well they're doing etc.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101923 on: August 23, 2020, 12:54:19 PM »
Anyone got updates on Adam Lewis's loan?? I know he played, but did he play well??

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2020/08/adam-lewis-seals-french-football-bow-with-opening-day-victory/

Seemed to do OK, given his relative lack of playing time.  Good luck to the boy, taking a chance with French 2nd division football.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101924 on: August 23, 2020, 12:56:20 PM »
Iíve thought for a while that Swansea would be a good club for Woodburn. Wherever he ends up next season, hopefully he has much better luck with injuries than he did at Oxford.

Koumetio made the most of the minutes he was given yesterday and looked very comfortable stepping up against senior opposition for the first time. Definitely one to keep a close eye on.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101925 on: August 23, 2020, 12:58:00 PM »
What about big Billy eh?

That cameo certainly raised my eyebrow. Didn't expect him to be that big or gifted. Will be interesting watching him progress.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101926 on: August 23, 2020, 02:14:19 PM »
Leyton Stewart gets a hatrick, along with goals for Tom Hill and newbie Musialski in an U18 5-0 win v Crewe A.  Short report on the official website.  It may be that that Stewart and Hill move up but only after a number of those training with the U23s go out on loan

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« Reply #101927 on: August 23, 2020, 02:22:37 PM »
That cameo certainly raised my eyebrow. Didn't expect him to be that big or gifted. Will be interesting watching him progress.

I was really impressed with his desire to play the ball out from the back. And he can certainly head the ball.

Everton have been playing Branthwaite, who I think is 18, in the PL so the opportunity could be there for a talented 17 year old. ;)

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101928 on: August 23, 2020, 02:35:31 PM »
You are probably right but itís wrong to write off Woodburn at 20.  Remember Salah was only good enough by 24 for us.  Most donít make a direct path into the first team.  Coady took years away and is now a strong player in the Prem.  Ryan Kent may yet do the same.  Now Iím not saying they would get into the team now but that many players take some years gradually working their way back up but that doesnít mean LFC should offload if they cannot make squad standard so young.    Sadly I fear that Woodburnís problem may be more about being injury-prone.
Just because we decided to buy him at 24, doesn't mean he was only good enough for us at that age. We've bought plenty of players that could have made an impact before we bought them. Not really how it works. The problem with Woodburn and Wilson is pretty much purely about attributes. They are probably both talented enough to play for good teams in the Prem. But neither is suited to playing midfield, and as forwards, they simply don't have the physical profile to play for this team. As wingers they need to be athletic and quick, and I think even for a centre forward, ideally we'd also like someone with those physical attributes, but Firmino makes up for his lack of pace with supreme work rate, technical ability, vision, passing and the defensive ability of an actual midfielder. Curtis Jones is younger and can play the roles Woodburn plays, but is much more physically and technically gifted. Same with Elliot vs Wilson, but even there, I expect us to go and buy a player (i.e. Traore) that just fits the profile better.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101929 on: August 23, 2020, 02:48:35 PM »
Leyton Stewart gets a hatrick, along with goals for Tom Hill and newbie Musialski in an U18 5-0 win v Crewe A.  Short report on the official website.  It may be that that Stewart and Hill move up but only after a number of those training with the U23s go out on loan

Started the season how he means to go on. Surely its only a matter of time before he moves up?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101930 on: August 23, 2020, 03:09:13 PM »
Leyton Stewart gets a hatrick, along with goals for Tom Hill and newbie Musialski in an U18 5-0 win v Crewe A.  Short report on the official website.  It may be that that Stewart and Hill move up but only after a number of those training with the U23s go out on loan
Thanks for the update. Hoping for a few more of these friendlies and maybe even some highlights soon.
Iíd definitely expect a Stewart and Hill call up to the u23 side full time soon (Norris likewise). The likes of Woodburn, maybe even Glatzel and a few others will be out on loan by January imo. Feel like stewart is primed for a massive season and heís already outgrown u18 football.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101931 on: August 23, 2020, 03:13:03 PM »
Started the season how he means to go on. Surely its only a matter of time before he moves up?
Nailed on imo Jill. Stewart will be spending most of his time with the u23s once the season gets going and loan moves take shape. Would love to see him partner Glatzel up top for a while, Clarkson and Cain pulling strings from midfield...should be a fun year. Glad Sharif is back fit as well, great athlete who can play in multiple positions

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101932 on: August 23, 2020, 03:25:39 PM »
Nailed on imo Jill. Stewart will be spending most of his time with the u23s once the season gets going and loan moves take shape. Would love to see him partner Glatzel up top for a while, Clarkson and Cain pulling strings from midfield...should be a fun year. Glad Sharif is back fit as well, great athlete who can play in multiple positions

Absolutely its pointless him staying in the u18's he needs to be tested a bit more. Him and Glatzel would be a really interesting partnership as each has different qualities. I liked what I saw from Sharif last season, he looks a very lively prospect and with Clarkson, Norris and Cain posssibly Hill too that u23 side would be well exciting.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101933 on: August 23, 2020, 04:01:03 PM »
Absolutely its pointless him staying in the u18's he needs to be tested a bit more. Him and Glatzel would be a really interesting partnership as each has different qualities. I liked what I saw from Sharif last season, he looks a very lively prospect and with Clarkson, Norris and Cain posssibly Hill too that u23 side would be well exciting.

I like Stewart a lot but he needs to stay with the under 18's for now and play the odd under 23's/under 19' games.

We've Glatel, Hardy and Millar plus I am sure Elliot will play plenty of under 23 games.

Let Stewart stay were he is a play games. No need to rush him.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101934 on: August 23, 2020, 04:16:45 PM »
Millar needs to be looking at a loan at the very least, heís played first-team football in Scotland and is a full international with Canada, playing under-23 football for us isnít going to do anything for his development.

Iíd be surprised if Stewart and Norris arenít involved regularly with the under-23s sooner rather than later, assuming the likes of Millar and Gallacher move on to play the regular first-team football that they need now.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101935 on: August 23, 2020, 04:19:20 PM »
I like Stewart a lot but he needs to stay with the under 18's for now and play the odd under 23's/under 19' games.

We've Glatel, Hardy and Millar plus I am sure Elliot will play plenty of under 23 games.

Let Stewart stay were he is a play games. No need to rush him.

No one is rushing Stewart. Itís just where many think heíll get the best quality competition for his development.Hardy and Millar are both expected to go on loan/sale. Elliot will play on the wing or in midfield. Itís not rushing Stewart to have him in the u23 setup. Heís 18 in a couple of weeks, scored at a goal-per-game rate last year and has the physical attributes to play older competition.

Heís closer in age to Cain and Clarkson (Who will be with the u23s) than the likes of Balagizi for example whoíll stay with the u18s. James Norris is 6 months younger than Stewart but played 5 times last season for the u23s, and heís likely first choice LB for them this year.

I think itís just where we are with our current academy personnel- both the u18 and 23 sides will be Ďyoungerí. Our back four at u23 level will likely be Hoever-Koumetio-VDB-Norris, all of whom are under 19. Cain, Clarkson, Dixon-Bonner will all feature regularly in midfield and are 18/19. Guys like Hardy and Millar (who were both brought in as stopgaps) are not going to prevent Stewart from getting valuable time in the PL2 year imo.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101936 on: August 23, 2020, 10:00:26 PM »
Musialowski has posted some grainy footage of his highlights from todayís U18 game on his instagram story, and I donít want to get ahead of myself but he looks mustard.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101937 on: August 23, 2020, 10:53:05 PM »
I like Stewart a lot but he needs to stay with the under 18's for now and play the odd under 23's/under 19' games.

We've Glatel, Hardy and Millar plus I am sure Elliot will play plenty of under 23 games.

Let Stewart stay were he is a play games. No need to rush him.

Hardy and Millar have zero chance of being Liverpool players for the first team, they deserve to go out on loan and find a decent club for themselves

Stewart is clearly a level or two better than u18s and it does him no good whatsoever to spend time beneath his true level, I would definitely like to see Glatzel and Stewart as a partnership

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« Reply #101938 on: August 23, 2020, 10:54:56 PM »
No one is rushing Stewart. Itís just where many think heíll get the best quality competition for his development.Hardy and Millar are both expected to go on loan/sale. Elliot will play on the wing or in midfield. Itís not rushing Stewart to have him in the u23 setup. Heís 18 in a couple of weeks, scored at a goal-per-game rate last year and has the physical attributes to play older competition.

Heís closer in age to Cain and Clarkson (Who will be with the u23s) than the likes of Balagizi for example whoíll stay with the u18s. James Norris is 6 months younger than Stewart but played 5 times last season for the u23s, and heís likely first choice LB for them this year.

I think itís just where we are with our current academy personnel- both the u18 and 23 sides will be Ďyoungerí. Our back four at u23 level will likely be Hoever-Koumetio-VDB-Norris, all of whom are under 19. Cain, Clarkson, Dixon-Bonner will all feature regularly in midfield and are 18/19. Guys like Hardy and Millar (who were both brought in as stopgaps) are not going to prevent Stewart from getting valuable time in the PL2 year imo.

Yep, makes sense for Balagizi and the new polish lad to develop at u18s, u23s is already shaping up to be a fearsome side

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101939 on: August 24, 2020, 10:53:26 AM »
Heís got the makings of a star thatís for sure.

That cameo certainly raised my eyebrow. Didn't expect him to be that big or gifted. Will be interesting watching him progress.

I couldn't believe the physicality of him. Remember Andre Wisdom coming through and people thinking he would maybe hack it OK in the senior game? Curtis and this lad look capable of actually dominating older guys from a raw strength point of view, the way Troy Deeney bragged about in relation to Lovren earlier in the year.

You wonder how hard we'll work to fill the Lovren gap given the talent coming through the ranks in defence. And Klopp has previous for promoting 'early' across the back four.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101940 on: August 24, 2020, 10:58:27 AM »
I couldn't believe the physicality of him. Remember Andre Wisdom coming through and people thinking he would maybe hack it OK in the senior game? Curtis and this lad look capable of actually dominating older guys from a raw strength point of view, the way Troy Deeney bragged about in relation to Lovren earlier in the year.

You wonder how hard we'll work to fill the Lovren gap given the talent coming through the ranks in defence. And Klopp has previous for promoting 'early' across the back four.

I was prepared for the height but not the overall size of him and I was certainly not prepared for how balanced and agile he was. Van den Berg looks clunky and awkward still, so I expected similar from Koumetio.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101941 on: August 24, 2020, 12:15:21 PM »
Has anyone seen Koumetio playing for the youth teams?  Couldn't get a good idea of how quick he is in that limited time on the pitch, pace is such a crucial part of our defensive approach.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101942 on: August 24, 2020, 12:48:28 PM »
I had said a few days ago that there was a 5th goalie training with the firsts and wondered if it was the new U18s Fabian mrozek (or similar).  Now the Echo reveal it is a 19 year old Spaniard, Javi Cendon, on trial.  We seem to be stockpiling goalies.

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« Reply #101943 on: August 24, 2020, 12:53:58 PM »
I was prepared for the height but not the overall size of him and I was certainly not prepared for how balanced and agile he was. Van den Berg looks clunky and awkward still, so I expected similar from Koumetio.

Is he taller than Van Dijk? Someone mentioned that but I have not seen the game.

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« Reply #101944 on: August 24, 2020, 01:05:54 PM »
Is he taller than Van Dijk? Someone mentioned that but I have not seen the game.

Koumetio is 2CM taller than Virgil

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101945 on: August 24, 2020, 01:20:20 PM »
I had said a few days ago that there was a 5th goalie training with the firsts and wondered if it was the new U18s Fabian mrozek (or similar).  Now the Echo reveal it is a 19 year old Spaniard, Javi Cendon, on trial.  We seem to be stockpiling goalies.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101946 on: August 24, 2020, 01:45:31 PM »
Can we keep out these youth players won't make int in this thread?

Don't want to hear it to be honest. It's tough enough for any youth player as it is. I just want to know how well they're doing etc.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101947 on: August 24, 2020, 05:06:52 PM »
Has anyone seen Koumetio playing for the youth teams?  Couldn't get a good idea of how quick he is in that limited time on the pitch, pace is such a crucial part of our defensive approach.
I watched all of his games that were On LFCTV last year, had his moments where he really looked like a kid in a mans body but overall very solid. Itís easy to forget sometimes when you see a lad that size that heís 17 and in a new country, so you can forgive him a few brain fart moments (had a tendency to tune out/lose focus occasionally). Plus, itís tough to stand out as a CB at u18 level as the games can be a tad...chaotic. Still dominated in the air and looked very comfortable on the ball.
It seems clear that heís made pretty staggering progress over the past year.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101948 on: August 24, 2020, 05:21:43 PM »
Highlights of the U18 5-0 win over Crewe now on the web sight for those interested in catching glimpses of the new first year U18s cohort

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101950 on: August 24, 2020, 07:04:34 PM »
Highlights of the U18 5-0 win over Crewe now on the web sight for those interested in catching glimpses of the new first year U18s cohort
Made for some fun viewing that! Stewart just too good for this level, but great to get a glimpse at some of those who will be major players for the new look 18s.

Balagizi is really looking like he could be a Yaya Tourť type midfielder, what a unit he is. Very skilled and always plays with his head up as well. Weíve played him in a number of different roles, from out wide to #6 and everywhere in between, but he definitely looks like he could be an incredible 8 if he stays fit and continues to develop at this rate.

Harvey Blair will be one to watch this year. We oddly enough have very few wide forward types in our academy setup, even though they are obviously a major feature in our first team. He looks like heís got the pace and skill set to play that role though, has grown as well.

The new boy Musialowski could have bagged a hat trick in his second half cameo. The way he rolled those two massive Crewe defenders for his goal was wild. Looks like we could have a good one on our hands. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101951 on: August 24, 2020, 07:40:41 PM »
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« Reply #101952 on: August 24, 2020, 07:46:28 PM »
Frauendorf has LiverpooolFC on his Insta profile according to Twitter (looks like it but I donít do insta, snapchat, tiktok or other shite)

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101954 on: August 25, 2020, 11:06:10 AM »


The new boy Musialowski could have bagged a hat trick in his second half cameo. The way he rolled those two massive Crewe defenders for his goal was wild. Looks like we could have a good one on our hands.

You could say they were Muscleoffski


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101955 on: August 25, 2020, 11:10:21 AM »
Are those U18 highlights knocking about anywhere for free?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101956 on: August 25, 2020, 12:17:37 PM »
Neil Jones saying Klopp has held two one-to-one training sessions with Koumetio, working on tactical understanding and positioning.

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« Reply #101957 on: August 25, 2020, 05:56:23 PM »
Neil Jones saying Klopp has held two one-to-one training sessions with Koumetio, working on tactical understanding and positioning.

Absolutely amazed at this lad, I have to say. You think of young talents at that age who have impressed over the years and honestly I can only think of Kompany having looked anywhere near as physically able at that age, combined with composure between the ears. That was in Champions League group games though - that's your caveat I guess - Koumetio's playing for us in pre-season. 

It's a funny one - when a young player breaks through and has that kind of power - Micah Richards was 17 and raw as could be, wasn't he?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101958 on: August 25, 2020, 06:12:08 PM »
Absolutely amazed at this lad, I have to say. You think of young talents at that age who have impressed over the years and honestly I can only think of Kompany having looked anywhere near as physically able at that age, combined with composure between the ears. That was in Champions League group games though - that's your caveat I guess - Koumetio's playing for us in pre-season. 

It's a funny one - when a young player breaks through and has that kind of power - Micah Richards was 17 and raw as could be, wasn't he?

You have to remember that Koumetio was playing in a makeshift defence. Put him in with VVD and Robertson to guide him and you should get a better idea of his ability.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101959 on: August 25, 2020, 06:49:45 PM »
Milner has been very aggressive lately.
I just love that this post is in this thread.   ;D

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