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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #400 on: April 2, 2019, 01:51:48 PM »
Chorizo alone is the biggest argument against veganism.

Fuck yeah. What else is a butcher meant to do with lips, ears and anuses?
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #401 on: April 2, 2019, 03:28:23 PM »
Fuck yeah. What else is a butcher meant to do with lips, ears and anuses?

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #402 on: April 2, 2019, 03:35:23 PM »
They also have nuts. So what's your point?

My nuts have skin and have plenty of feeling when our lass sticks the knee in
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #403 on: April 2, 2019, 03:37:44 PM »
Fuck yeah. What else is a butcher meant to do with lips, ears and anuses?

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #404 on: April 4, 2019, 08:25:06 PM »
Fuck yeah. What else is a butcher meant to do with lips, ears and anuses?

I haven't eaten pork sausages since I heard that Walls have ears.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #405 on: April 4, 2019, 10:44:49 PM »
Jainism is your answer to the tree thing. They even check for inscects before before they sit down . Proper Consciousness that.

This thread has given a lot of insight to people for me. Not their diet as I'd never judge anyone on what they feel that their body needs and all that but some of youse are shallow and childish as fuck and yep..  that old group mentality and bullying on here again. The nail that stands out is the first to be hit and all that.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #406 on: April 5, 2019, 11:51:42 AM »
snowflakes.


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Re: Arguments against being vegan
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #408 on: April 5, 2019, 06:51:24 PM »
A dead animal is a dead animal. And a piece of meat is a piece of meat.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #409 on: April 5, 2019, 07:37:08 PM »
That's Cold.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #410 on: April 5, 2019, 08:56:50 PM »
Let's not drift into puns ay mate.
You're right. Veganism is snow joking matter.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #411 on: April 5, 2019, 10:14:47 PM »
You're right. Veganism is snow joking matter.
It certainly isn't; that's been made absolutely chrysalis clear.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #412 on: April 6, 2019, 12:20:52 AM »
You lot are hilarious. Iím balling.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #413 on: April 7, 2019, 03:53:58 PM »
My lad had a 9.15 start for a 10 o clock kick off this morning

So Iíve got this shoulder of lamb thatís already out of date by a day (yes, I know, the sell by dates are classic works of minor fiction) which I need to cook for lunch. Iíve also got an old oven with a busted timer that switches itself off after 2 hours.

My daughters away and my wife has to leave the house at 10.15, we have to set off for his game at 8.45. I wake up at 7.30 , get up at 7.45. I halve a few large shallots , brown the lamb shoulder in a large crueset which releases a nice amount of fat, nestle the shallots under the shoulder then at 8.15 add a cup of boiling water, cover it and place in the oven, pre-heated to 165c. Tell the wife - donít do anything, Iíll finish it off when I get home , thinking that itís probably going to be underdone when I get back at about 12

I get back after a cracker (3-1 down at half-time, they won 5-4) to be greeted by the best lamb shoulder I have ever tasted. I quite literally pulled the bone out of the joint like it was a 99 flake sliding out of a Mr Whippy. The secret was in the very long resting of the joint - itís a meat epiphany!

Fried some sweet potato , chilli , ginger and garlic , added the diced lamb shoulder with the reserved stock and enjoyed with a nice Shiraz

You canít do that with a nut cutlet
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #414 on: April 7, 2019, 04:27:32 PM »
My lad had a 9.15 start for a 10 o clock kick off this morning

So Iíve got this shoulder of lamb thatís already out of date by a day (yes, I know, the sell by dates are classic works of minor fiction) which I need to cook for lunch. Iíve also got an old oven with a busted timer that switches itself off after 2 hours.

My daughters away and my wife has to leave the house at 10.15, we have to set off for his game at 8.45. I wake up at 7.30 , get up at 7.45. I halve a few large shallots , brown the lamb shoulder in a large crueset which releases a nice amount of fat, nestle the shallots under the shoulder then at 8.15 add a cup of boiling water, cover it and place in the oven, pre-heated to 165c. Tell the wife - donít do anything, Iíll finish it off when I get home , thinking that itís probably going to be underdone when I get back at about 12

I get back after a cracker (3-1 down at half-time, they won 5-4) to be greeted by the best lamb shoulder I have ever tasted. I quite literally pulled the bone out of the joint like it was a 99 flake sliding out of a Mr Whippy. The secret was in the very long resting of the joint - itís a meat epiphany!

Fried some sweet potato , chilli , ginger and garlic , added the diced lamb shoulder with the reserved stock and enjoyed with a nice Shiraz

You canít do that with a nut cutlet

That has just made me want a Lamb Stifado - going to have to go the local Greek soon now ;)

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #415 on: April 7, 2019, 05:04:27 PM »
That has just made me want a Lamb Stifado - going to have to go the local Greek soon now ;)
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #416 on: April 7, 2019, 06:11:49 PM »
My lad had a 9.15 start for a 10 o clock kick off this morning

So Iíve got this shoulder of lamb thatís already out of date by a day (yes, I know, the sell by dates are classic works of minor fiction) which I need to cook for lunch. Iíve also got an old oven with a busted timer that switches itself off after 2 hours.

My daughters away and my wife has to leave the house at 10.15, we have to set off for his game at 8.45. I wake up at 7.30 , get up at 7.45. I halve a few large shallots , brown the lamb shoulder in a large crueset which releases a nice amount of fat, nestle the shallots under the shoulder then at 8.15 add a cup of boiling water, cover it and place in the oven, pre-heated to 165c. Tell the wife - donít do anything, Iíll finish it off when I get home , thinking that itís probably going to be underdone when I get back at about 12

I get back after a cracker (3-1 down at half-time, they won 5-4) to be greeted by the best lamb shoulder I have ever tasted. I quite literally pulled the bone out of the joint like it was a 99 flake sliding out of a Mr Whippy. The secret was in the very long resting of the joint - itís a meat epiphany!

Fried some sweet potato , chilli , ginger and garlic , added the diced lamb shoulder with the reserved stock and enjoyed with a nice Shiraz

You canít do that with a nut cutlet
What you on about here, you can't do WHAT with a nut cutlet?
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #418 on: April 7, 2019, 06:50:49 PM »
What you on about here, you can't do WHAT with a nut cutlet?

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #419 on: April 8, 2019, 10:55:01 PM »
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« Reply #420 on: April 8, 2019, 10:59:00 PM »


You canít do that with a nut cutlet

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #421 on: April 9, 2019, 12:35:34 AM »
Missus used to work with a few blokes who were Jane - was really interesting to go out to eat with them - they would lose loads of pounds when visiting the US from India. Never once did they get on me or my family for what we were eating and we didn't give them difficulties, rather we bent over backwards to help them find food or to cook for them.

You clearly have never been in the Transfer Forum or observed what happens when PoP, E2k, and BabaYagu make well founded and supported posts in the Main Forum...

Look, someone asked a question about arguments against being vegan. yes there was some piss taking, but some of us gave well reasoned and argued responses which were supported with multitudes of evidence - all of which was ignored.

This is why we can not have nice things or reasoned debate. Yes I realize this is the Boozer, so everything comes with a grain of salt and the possibility of some jokes...

If this is new insight, I don't know what to tell you other than welcome to the internet.

Also I am not sure it is bullying or can be considered as such when the supposed bullied party was attempting to shame us into taking his side on the issue and was ignoring all proper responses by shouting with his keyboard what has become my signature.

Eh ?

The Janiasm comment is sound .

I don't like the energy or vibes of the rest of what you said as.... I feel... You are one of them John Wayne types .  Go ed Big Jaawhn an all that go and get your gun stuff.

A bully will always deny their bullying..  They'll always say that they're having a laugh or just winding someone up or whatever excuse they come out with . It's playground mentallity whether it's on zee internet or not. A group mentality against the one that is different from the group. Percentages on group thought an all that .
















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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #422 on: April 9, 2019, 01:05:40 PM »
Eh ?

The Janiasm comment is sound .

I don't like the energy or vibes of the rest of what you said as.... I feel... You are one of them John Wayne types .  Go ed Big Jaawhn an all that go and get your gun stuff.

A bully will always deny their bullying..  They'll always say that they're having a laugh or just winding someone up or whatever excuse they come out with . It's playground mentallity whether it's on zee internet or not. A group mentality against the one that is different from the group. Percentages on group thought an all that .

I am not concerned about your interpretation of the energy or vibes. Take them as you do. But if you are calling me and other a bully, state it out right so we know where you stand. Clearly the attempted shaming of other posters in this thread was not considered bulling by you.

You are ignoring the point in hand.  A poster on the forum asked a question, I am a few others responded with evidence supported posts which addressed the original and additional queries.  These posts were ignored or they were used to try and shame the poster for their answering the question with reasoned and supported thought that was not all "I feel that eating meat is bad so I don't eat it and you should not eat it too, eating meat is murder." and so on. 

The thread was titled and posted with the idea to get answers regarding "arguments against being vegan."

It is not "my feelings about my diet and why you should eat what I eat, eating meat is murder."

It is "arguments against being vegan."

How did Monty Python word it again.... oh yes.

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M: I came here for a good argument!

O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!

M: An argument isn't just contradiction.

O: Well! it CAN be!

M: No it can't!

M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.

O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!

M: Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'....

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M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

I posted on the argument, using academic, scientific, historical, and physiological sources. Hence the comment about us not being able to have nice things. 

You and he see it as bulling - While I view it as an argument.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #423 on: April 9, 2019, 10:00:41 PM »
I am not concerned about your interpretation of the energy or vibes. Take them as you do. But if you are calling me and other a bully, state it out right so we know where you stand. Clearly the attempted shaming of other posters in this thread was not considered bulling by you.

You are ignoring the point in hand.  A poster on the forum asked a question, I am a few others responded with evidence supported posts which addressed the original and additional queries.  These posts were ignored or they were used to try and shame the poster for their answering the question with reasoned and supported thought that was not all "I feel that eating meat is bad so I don't eat it and you should not eat it too, eating meat is murder." and so on. 

The thread was titled and posted with the idea to get answers regarding "arguments against being vegan."

It is not "my feelings about my diet and why you should eat what I eat, eating meat is murder."

It is "arguments against being vegan."

How did Monty Python word it again.... oh yes.

I posted on the argument, using academic, scientific, historical, and physiological sources. Hence the comment about us not being able to have nice things. 

You and he see it as bulling - While I view it as an argument.

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My point on bullying is collective piss taking is a form of bullying.

Not having a dig just saying it as I see it.

Anyway.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #424 on: April 9, 2019, 10:03:25 PM »
My point on bullying is collective piss taking is a form of bullying.

Not having a dig just saying it as I see it.

Anyway.

Letting it go . 
I think bullying is maybe a bit much, but a slightly less than friendly hectoring it is.

Iím never going to be vegan, but if people want to be it doesnít worry me, fair fucks, what harm does it do me. Enjoy whatever people enjoy (apart from mushrooms of course, evil things ;D)
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #425 on: April 9, 2019, 10:13:28 PM »
I think bullying is maybe a bit much, but a slightly less than friendly hectoring it is.

Iím never going to be vegan, but if people want to be it doesnít worry me, fair fucks, what harm does it do me. Enjoy whatever people enjoy (apart from mushrooms of course, evil things ;D)
In response to being consistently goaded by the OP.

Anyway..

Lend your ďearsĒ to this: A new study published this week in Nature found that Americaís corn belt could contribute to thousands of air pollution deaths a year.

Scientists at the University of Minnesota attributed around 4,300 premature American deaths annually to air pollution resulting from corn production. To do so, they modeled the emission impacts of producing corn and compared them to local pollution-related deathsóand they found a striking relationship.

ďYou think air quality and you think coal plants, and you think dirty diesel trucks,Ē says Jason Hill, an engineering professor at the University of Minnesota and the studyís lead author. ďCertainly both of those are major contributors to reduced air quality, but corn production? Yes, that too.Ē

Corn is the most widely produced feed grain in the U.S., taking up over 90 million acres of farmland mainly located in the Midwest and Great Plains.

So there is cause for concern for sure with over doing anything, it's not limited to overfishing/farming.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #426 on: April 9, 2019, 10:58:25 PM »
I think bullying is maybe a bit much, but a slightly less than friendly hectoring it is.

Iím never going to be vegan, but if people want to be it doesnít worry me, fair fucks, what harm does it do me. Enjoy whatever people enjoy (apart from mushrooms of course, evil things ;D)

Maybe bullying is the wrong word and sometimes I can't find the correct words to express myself online. I went to West Derby  ;).

Your second paragraph is spot on . I'll tell you all this though and youse already know it . Everything is energy so what we eat is what we are and all that. Vibrations .

Anyway . Going to watch the highlights from tonights match. Been working hard to pay for the Porto trip and Iam sure I'll be having a chicken kebab after drinking too much vino .
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #427 on: April 10, 2019, 09:30:46 AM »
In response to being consistently goaded by the OP.

Anyway..

Lend your ďearsĒ to this: A new study published this week in Nature found that Americaís corn belt could contribute to thousands of air pollution deaths a year.

Scientists at the University of Minnesota attributed around 4,300 premature American deaths annually to air pollution resulting from corn production. To do so, they modeled the emission impacts of producing corn and compared them to local pollution-related deathsóand they found a striking relationship.

ďYou think air quality and you think coal plants, and you think dirty diesel trucks,Ē says Jason Hill, an engineering professor at the University of Minnesota and the studyís lead author. ďCertainly both of those are major contributors to reduced air quality, but corn production? Yes, that too.Ē

Corn is the most widely produced feed grain in the U.S., taking up over 90 million acres of farmland mainly located in the Midwest and Great Plains.

So there is cause for concern for sure with over doing anything, it's not limited to overfishing/farming.

This corn is not going to feed vegans. 40% of US corn is used for biofuel and 36% is animal feed.

"For corn-fed animals, the efficiency of converting grain to meat and dairy calories ranges from roughly 3 percent to 40 percent, depending on the animal production system in question".

The small amount that does go into the food system is mostly in the form of high-fructose corn syrup.

Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-corn/

Yes, America's corn industry is a horrible example of agricultural practise, but has basically nothing to do with veganism or eating less meat.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #428 on: April 10, 2019, 09:47:29 AM »
Forcing your lifestyle choice down the neck of average everyday people trying to get to work.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #429 on: April 10, 2019, 05:38:14 PM »
Forcing your lifestyle choice down the neck of average everyday people trying to get to work.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #430 on: April 12, 2019, 08:00:22 PM »
I think bullying is maybe a bit much, but a slightly less than friendly hectoring it is.

Iím never going to be vegan, but if people want to be it doesnít worry me, fair fucks, what harm does it do me. Enjoy whatever people enjoy (apart from mushrooms of course, evil things ;D)

Mushrooms are Magic.

I am not a veggie as such but for a change i often have the Veggie option off the menu.

Frankly i could give up some meat but i could never give up eating Fish .
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #431 on: April 12, 2019, 08:25:16 PM »
Mushrooms are Magic.

I am not a veggie as such but for a change i often have the Veggie option off the menu.

Frankly i could give up some meat but i could never give up eating Fish .
Seafood would be really really really diffuxkt to give up.

Only have red meat once or twice a week though.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #432 on: April 12, 2019, 10:31:08 PM »
My point on bullying is collective piss taking is a form of bullying. 
Yes, exactly.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #433 on: April 13, 2019, 11:55:10 PM »
Had some of those beyond meat burgers today, cost a fiver for 2 that are frozen in Tesco. Tasted decent to be fair, but I ainít paying that much for it regularly

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #434 on: April 14, 2019, 12:07:21 AM »
Had some of those beyond meat burgers today, cost a fiver for 2 that are frozen in Tesco. Tasted decent to be fair, but I ainít paying that much for it regularly


Have you tried the McCartney ones ? I just want to know how they compare (apart from being £3 cheaper).
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #435 on: April 14, 2019, 12:32:27 AM »




That should do if Wiki is correct

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #436 on: April 14, 2019, 02:29:16 AM »
Forcing your lifestyle choice down the neck of average everyday people trying to get to work.

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The mad thing is though most people eat what they are told to eat by TV whilst going to work , working etc....

Irony on a base level that mate.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #437 on: April 14, 2019, 02:34:57 AM »
Yes, exactly.

You's want to think on when you's get turned over by the Toon in a couple of weeks time.       :P

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #438 on: April 14, 2019, 12:59:21 PM »

Have you tried the McCartney ones ? I just want to know how they compare (apart from being £3 cheaper).
i havenít no but will probably give it a go soon how you mention it