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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13760 on: April 25, 2019, 08:43:21 PM »
United offered nothing last night.  They were shit.  City walked out in front of 74000 fans willing them to win. The result was never in doubt.  Sunday will hopefully be different.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13761 on: April 25, 2019, 08:47:30 PM »
United offered nothing last night.  They were shit.  City walked out in front of 74000 fans willing them to win. The result was never in doubt.  Sunday will hopefully be different.

Agreed. In some ways, that was City´s easiest remaining game.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13762 on: April 25, 2019, 08:48:42 PM »
Agreed. In some ways, that was City´s easiest remaining game.

Absolutely, was really surprised at the amount of people thinking United could get anything. They are one of the worst United sides in years.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13763 on: April 25, 2019, 08:54:44 PM »
Some people think that since we're running out of games for City to drop points that the world is ending but to the contrary, the later City drop points, the easier and quicker we get to the finish line as champions, with less pressure on us.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13764 on: April 25, 2019, 09:01:03 PM »
For what it's worth if anyone said that this is where we would be at the start of the season, I would have shaken hands on it.

If, IF, City win the league, fuck it their players deserve it. It's not their fault about their clubs dubious finances, so we'll have to take it on the chin and swallow it. We are on the ascendancy and nothing can stop Klopp creating a dynasty that's going to win many trophies over the next three or four years. We'll have our parades I can assure you.

Also for what it's worth, I still think that we'll do it, based on Cities nervousness over the last three or so games. There's relatively little pressure on us tomorrow night but if they'd drawn or loss last night, the heat on us would have been turned up. Relax and enjoy the ride.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13765 on: April 25, 2019, 09:04:06 PM »
We're still in this. We need to focus on our own fixtures, after that what will be will be. Win every remaining game left and we finish with at least one big shiny pot
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13766 on: April 25, 2019, 09:08:52 PM »
While I agree we have stronger foundations than in those years, this sentiment is littered with hindsight. I remember a lot of fans and pundits alike tipping us to take the next step in 09/10. Ronaldo had departed United, and for us Glen Johnson was seen as a missing piece of the jigsaw to provide attacking thrust from full-back. And while you'd have had to be a bit of a loon to tip us to win the league without Suarez in 14/15, especially with the quality signings Chelsea made that summer, there were plenty predicting we'd qualify for the CL again.

I agree with this in some ways. People were not predicting we'd be seeing a season of significant down turn at the start of 09/10. However, I think there is some mitigating circumstances in that situation. I don't think a lot of people realised how bad the off the field problems were. We were in a mess but not everyone knew that at the time.

Not hindsight but at that point a good proportion of the supporter base wanted Rafa gone or had serious doubts about him. It just needed 1 average season - 7th position and a EL Semi final - for a lot of fans to just want rid of Benitez. It was a really shite time to be a match going Red. Club was in turmoil and loads of people just wanted to pin it on the manager. It was a toxic around the club.

I don't think we are in that situation now. The club seems stable and 99% of the fans seem happy with Klopp. That's a big difference to where we were at in 2009/10 (with the benefit of hindsight).

In 2014/15 we weren't a million miles away from CL qualification. Though we finished 8 points off 4th we were bang in contention until the United defeat at home at the end of March. From that point will capitulated. We took 8 points from 8 games after the United defeat. With hindsight what we were witnessing was the beginning of the end for Rodgers.

In saying that I don't think the 14/15 squad of players was as bad as some people think. There was significant weakness at centre forward when Sturridge was unavailable but we still had the nucleus of a decent squad. I think that bore out a bit the next season under Klopp when we got to the EL and Carling Cup finals.

Whilst I agree with you that there was optimism still at the end of 08/09 and 13/14 about the future, at this point we seem in a much better place than either of them. The strength of the team may be comparable (or better) with 08/09 but the stability and strength of the club isn't. The club is in such a better position now and are primed for the next step. Where we stand now with the end of 13/14 isn't comparable either on or off the pitch. There's 1 definite and maybe 3 players at most from that squad who would get in the current starting XI. Probably only 4 or 5 who would get in the current squad. The club is in a better state from then as well.

Whilst no-one knows what happens over the next 3 games, next season or even beyond that, it's hard not to think that the club is in a good position to succeed in the future.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13767 on: April 25, 2019, 09:10:19 PM »
That Guardian article is absolute garbage.
It is. Finishing second in the champions league last season didn't do much to affect our run in this years competition. If we don't win the league this year we'll have at least gained alot of confidence in the amazing charge we put together and we will win it sooner or later but there's still 3 games to play and we as fans should know better than most it's not over till its over. It's actually baffling that some fans would give up given how many last minute winners we've scored this season. Believe.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13768 on: April 25, 2019, 09:15:05 PM »
Absolutely, was really surprised at the amount of people thinking United could get anything. They are one of the worst United sides in years.

let's have it right - they're THE worst united side in probably 30 years.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13769 on: April 25, 2019, 09:28:27 PM »
Not many things much funnier then someone telling us to be fearful of Spurs.

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« Reply #13770 on: April 25, 2019, 09:29:51 PM »
Were they?

How many is many?

Remember reading stuff said by Torres and Reina. Clearly there were off the field issues as neither Rafa nor the players were happy about our lack of investment.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13771 on: April 25, 2019, 09:33:21 PM »
Way I see it, City's fixtures from now until the end are tougher then ours. Burnley away, Leicester (c'mon Rodgers!) and Brighton away (who are shite - but will hopefully be playing all out to avoid relegation). Both Leicester and Burnley I fancy to give City more of a game then that shower of shite they played yesterday. 

As opposed to Huddersfield (at home on a Friday night), Newcastle away (okay maybe a bit tougher - but hopefully on holiday) and Wolves (at home last day of the season).

If City are still top after that, then they deserve it. It's been a hell of a run, and I was starting to think I might never get to see Liverpool hit these heights. I'll be devoed, but we'll be back next season. And we still have the small matter of Barcelona in the Champions League in pursuit of number 6 (Unlucky City!)!
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13772 on: April 25, 2019, 09:43:54 PM »
Way I see it, City's fixtures from now until the end are tougher then ours. Burnley away, Leicester (c'mon Rodgers!) and Brighton away (who are shite - but will hopefully be playing all out to avoid relegation). Both Leicester and Burnley I fancy to give City more of a game then that shower of shite they played yesterday. 

As opposed to Huddersfield (at home on a Friday night), Newcastle away (okay maybe a bit tougher - but hopefully on holiday) and Wolves (at home last day of the season).

If City are still top after that, then they deserve it. It's been a hell of a run, and I was starting to think I might never get to see Liverpool hit these heights. I'll be devoed, but we'll be back next season. And we still have the small matter of Barcelona in the Champions League in pursuit of number 6 (Unlucky City!)!



I'd says ours are harder to be honest.

Burnley away is easier than Newcastle away
Leicester home is equal with Wolves home
Brighton are slightly better than Huddersfield, though both are shite.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13773 on: April 25, 2019, 09:51:28 PM »
Not many things much funnier then someone telling us to be fearful of Spurs.

They've been far more consistent than us in the league in recent years to be fair, with limited resources in comparison. Not worried about them hugely myself but if they somehow manage to get sizeable funds to strengthen their squad in the summer, who knows. We'll br doing very well to match this season's points haul, next season.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13774 on: April 25, 2019, 10:02:32 PM »
I like how she gives no supporting evidence, or any thought whatsoever, to her belief that it's "now or never" for Liverpool. 

Unless something drastic changes I just see us going toe-to-toe with City again next year, Spurs pretending to be in it til around Feb/March and everyone else miles behind.

If you looked at the age demographic of our squad, you would know that's crap. We could go on with the same squad we have today for another year or two and compete for both the league and the Champions League.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13775 on: April 25, 2019, 10:05:02 PM »
Agreed. In some ways, that was City´s easiest remaining game.
There was an ex-City player on the news tonight (can't remember his name) and he said that he'd also thought the United game would be Abu Dhabi's easiest remaining game of the league season. It seems that there was actually no one who genuinely believed United could do something against them. That is absolutely damning and highlights just how far they have fallen.
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« Reply #13776 on: April 25, 2019, 10:14:36 PM »
Absolutely, was really surprised at the amount of people thinking United could get anything. They are one of the worst United sides in years.

The problem with this is that they're a better side on both paper and position than any of City's other remaining fixtures. Plus it was a derby when mad results can happen. That's why some hoped or even suspected they might grind out a draw.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13777 on: April 25, 2019, 11:09:45 PM »
The problem with this is that they're a better side on both paper and position than any of City's other remaining fixtures. Plus it was a derby when mad results can happen. That's why some hoped or even suspected they might grind out a draw.
But United's confidence was clearly on the floor after being thumped by Everton and not scoring from open play for 8 hours or something. Burnley have won 3 games out of the last 4, with the 4th being a decent performance and draw at Chelsea. Brighton were unlucky to lose against Spurs, and Leicester are in great form too. United might be better on paper but their recent form is the worst out of the 4 remaining fixtures.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13778 on: April 25, 2019, 11:31:49 PM »
They've been far more consistent than us in the league in recent years to be fair, with limited resources in comparison. Not worried about them hugely myself but if they somehow manage to get sizeable funds to strengthen their squad in the summer, who knows. We'll br doing very well to match this season's points haul, next season.

They've lost 11 times in the league this season and will do well to hang onto Eriksen and Alderweireld this summer. It will be a straight shoot-out between us and City again next season. We already have an elite team, but imagine what a top class creative attacking midfielder could do for us. If we get that signing right we'll be even better next season. We already have the best defence in the league, that's been the bedrock of our challenge. I don't see that mysteriously disappearing over the summer. Our form this year has simply carried over from the second half of last season. It's not just this season, this is our level. City and us are miles ahead of everyone else.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13779 on: April 25, 2019, 11:38:50 PM »
Personally I hope it’s a 93rd minute Brighton equaliser from a ridiculous dodgy penalty where Fernandinho gets 100% ball 0% man, and it’s slightly outside the box as well, and he gets a red card, and the penalty hits the bar and skies 50 feet in the air, giving pep enough time to do a lap of the stadium, and then the ball comes back down hitting a pigeon which diverts the ball on to the refs arse from which it nutmegs a celebration Stirling and rolls past Ederson, who has slipped and chipped a tooth on the upright.

All while we’re winning three nil as Nuno Santo and Klopp are sat in the same dugout watching Cocktail on a club labeled iPad arguing whether it’s a documentary or not.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13780 on: April 25, 2019, 11:39:35 PM »
I thought United played quite well for 15-20 minutes, and decently for the rest of the first half.  Not sure what happened after that, maybe they ran out of steam from pushing too hard early on. Ultimately the difference in level showed.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13781 on: April 25, 2019, 11:45:42 PM »
As brilliant as this team already is, I see us improving further still next season. The Ox back plus (hopefully) a top class creative player. Rival fans would like to think we've hit our ceiling but the reality is, the hunger for big trophies will still be there next season and we have a tremendous team. I was fairly sanguine when we lost in the CL final and I feel the same about this title race. We'll win the big trophies under Jurgen, I have no doubt.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13782 on: April 26, 2019, 12:19:01 AM »
It just demonstrates how much United have fallen, even in a Derby, with their last chance of CL football after a defeat that demanded a reaction, they raised their game.....


.....to average.

They truly have descended, I suppose that is the silver lining in all this.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13783 on: April 26, 2019, 12:29:24 AM »
We already have an elite team, but imagine what a top class creative attacking midfielder could do for us. If we get that signing right we'll be even better next season. We already have the best defence in the league, that's been the bedrock of our challenge. I don't see that mysteriously disappearing over the summer.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13784 on: April 26, 2019, 01:14:31 AM »
To be realistic, Manchester City are not going to squander their narrow lead now. Kudos to them if they win the league. We still have a glimmer of hope although one thinks it'll come down to a massive slice of fortune for us or misfortune for them. Anywho, it's been a great battle & we should hold our heads up high no matter what although it'll still be painful to have to wait after so many years

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13785 on: April 26, 2019, 01:22:00 AM »
Been devastated all day and trying to come to terms with not winning the league this season. The lads have performed tremendously well and I am very proud of them but we seem to be bloody cursed when it comes to winning this god damn premier league. 29 years waiting for this and we always seem to come up short , it’s mind boggling!!!

Unfortunately for us City will steam roll Burnley, Leicester and Brighton....sick as a dog I am !!!

Fuck off City !!

Mate, I said on here last night that that we can’t connect not winning it to complete devastation. Yes, it will be hard to stomach but I’ll point you to Klopp’s press conference from today. It really is a privilege to have this man in charge of our team. It’s like he’s leading the players and fans and showing us the way.

If it doesn’t happen this season, we will win it next season IMO. Many won’t believe me because of the all or bust fear this season. Look at the rest of the top 6. Chelsea are a shambles and Hazard will be gone. Arsenal are a shambles. United are in free fall and in complete disarray. Only Spurs are decent and they’ve lost 11 times in the league this season. A lot of City’s players are getting older - Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Fernandinho. Look at our team, we’re coming into our prime.

What we’re doing and how we’re building and developing our team is exactly how you win championships. I’ve seen it in the NHL, NBA, and football itself. The model we have now is precisely what has led to championship winning teams in the past even if they don’t win it in the first few years. Every club in the land is probably envious of us right now and jealous of what we have going on. That includes City. They would love to win the CL but they can’t and haven’t. We can still win it this season.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13786 on: April 26, 2019, 01:23:12 AM »
As brilliant as this team already is, I see us improving further still next season. The Ox back plus (hopefully) a top class creative player. Rival fans would like to think we've hit our ceiling but the reality is, the hunger for big trophies will still be there next season and we have a tremendous team. I was fairly sanguine when we lost in the CL final and I feel the same about this title race. We'll win the big trophies under Jurgen, I have no doubt.

I see it the same. We have a great team already, but I'm pretty sure Klopp doesn't see it as the finished article. Rather than this being our ceiling, I see the second half of last season and all of this season as just being the start of things for us. Despite us having a ridiculous points haul already, and having only lost one game all season to date, I don't even think we hit our devastating best this season. I think there is much more to come from us yet.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13787 on: April 26, 2019, 03:43:21 AM »
So Rogers is our former manager, while Sean Dyche is a Liverpool supporter, and Brighton might has to fight for regulation survival in the last match, so I beleive there's still a chance. In fact, I reckon these three teams have a higher chance to take point from City compare to fecking United.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13788 on: April 26, 2019, 05:00:15 AM »
I like how she gives no supporting evidence, or any thought whatsoever, to her belief that it's "now or never" for Liverpool. 

Unless something drastic changes I just see us going toe-to-toe with City again next year, Spurs pretending to be in it til around Feb/March and everyone else miles behind.

The article now has a new headline and been re-edited.  :D

Probably would have been less embarrassing if they'd left it although... maybe not.

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« Reply #13789 on: April 26, 2019, 05:03:49 AM »
So Rogers is our former manager, while Sean Dyche is a Liverpool supporter, and Brighton might has to fight for regulation survival in the last match, so I beleive there's still a chance. In fact, I reckon these three teams have a higher chance to take point from City compare to fecking United.

I would rather they had what they've got ahead of them than 3 away games v Unted that's for sure. Without a seconds thought for that one. Just beat Huddersfield.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13790 on: April 26, 2019, 06:04:14 AM »
To add to what I was saying and what Dench is saying, our team is vastly different when compared to all 3 of our last finals.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13791 on: April 26, 2019, 06:12:40 AM »
Pogba out Eriksen in
Ederson out Allison in

The rest looks okay to me. Could argue for Salah over Aguero. Salah has contributed similar numbers and better spread, but its not as bad as the Pogba or Ederson picks.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13792 on: April 26, 2019, 06:17:37 AM »
If we're glass half full, it wouldn't be crazy if any of City's 3 remaining opponents took 2 points from them.

But there's something particularly perverse and painful to be up in the middle of the night (East Coast Australia) willing on some other team to get an improbable result.

So I'm going to stick to watching this superb Liverpool team and trying my best to ignore the title, at least until something goes our way.

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« Reply #13793 on: April 26, 2019, 06:32:34 AM »
As long as we win our remaining games we can do nothing more than that.

Getting to be pretty slim odds for us now. By their standards I think Man City have pretty easy games now. They've beaten Burnley 5-0 twice already this season, and though Leicester is perhaps the best team they face, they are at home and usually do pretty well at home. Brighton are one of the worst teams out there and realistically will be lucky to get a shot on target judging by the way they have been playing recently.

Still... as they say, a week is a long time in football and hopefully they drop points whilst we do our part and keep winning.

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« Reply #13794 on: April 26, 2019, 06:48:58 AM »
That Guardian article is absolute garbage.
Fuck me, I fucking bothered reading it. Why do I ever fucking bother reading anything in the fucking Guardian. I fucking know it's a fucking shit paper. But fuck me it gets fucking worse. And they're always fucking begging for my fucking money. I should know better by now.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13795 on: April 26, 2019, 07:00:43 AM »
Burnley and Leicester will at least be organised and will possibly frustrate City. Don't see Burnley creating much. Leicester will be a threat on the break.

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« Reply #13796 on: April 26, 2019, 07:05:47 AM »
Before the new year City dropped points in 5 fixtures.
Since the new year City has dropped points in 1 fixture.
January, February, March, April = 3 points dropped

That's winning nearly half a season of games in a row. Little you can do against that level of consistency


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13797 on: April 26, 2019, 07:17:35 AM »
Mate, I said on here last night that that we can’t connect not winning it to complete devastation. Yes, it will be hard to stomach but I’ll point you to Klopp’s press conference from today. It really is a privilege to have this man in charge of our team. It’s like he’s leading the players and fans and showing us the way.

If it doesn’t happen this season, we will win it next season IMO. Many won’t believe me because of the all or bust fear this season. Look at the rest of the top 6. Chelsea are a shambles and Hazard will be gone. Arsenal are a shambles. United are in free fall and in complete disarray. Only Spurs are decent and they’ve lost 11 times in the league this season. A lot of City’s players are getting older - Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Fernandinho. Look at our team, we’re coming into our prime.

What we’re doing and how we’re building and developing our team is exactly how you win championships. I’ve seen it in the NHL, NBA, and football itself. The model we have now is precisely what has led to championship winning teams in the past even if they don’t win it in the first few years. Every club in the land is probably envious of us right now and jealous of what we have going on. That includes City. They would love to win the CL but they can’t and haven’t. We can still win it this season.

All fair points mate and I agree with most of it..
My only issue is that I dont think we'll have a free run at the league just because City have an old squad.. They can simply go out there and spunk 400m and put another team of mercenary's together.. Its not like FFP will do anything to deter them..

Remember back in the day when Chelsea were the original plastics.. They would simply buy players just so others couldnt buy them..

But having said that, I feel we will be even stronger next season and will continue to have a great chance to win the big one(s).
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13798 on: April 26, 2019, 07:27:51 AM »
Everyone keeps talking about this 29 year wait. We properly challenged for what, 3 or 4 of those seasons in 29 years?

Even then challenges like 08/09 were hopeful as at a key point we were a fair distance away and had to make up ground.

If we were this good most seasons then we would have won it more times. Our failure is collapsing. There is nothing now that should make it collapse and nothing less than a title challenge should be entertained. We are comfortably ahead of the rest other than City.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #13799 on: April 26, 2019, 07:34:29 AM »
Not a fan of rodgers........ but if he takes point(s) off man city, i would buy his book when it eventually comes out. I remember there were posts of the "brendan rodgers fragrance" when he was coaching us.....if that was real, i will buy boxes of that too.  ;D
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