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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #80 on: February 6, 2019, 04:54:29 PM »
hmm interesting,

just had a little look 21 appearances 1 goal 1 assist 1.069

comparing to his replacement here in Fab

22 appearances 1 goal 2 assists 1.382   

Can's played 1/3 less minutes but is that down to the injury layoff? Other than that they look pretty similar and I don't think anyone is writing Fab off just yet.
Fabinho's play allows others to get the goals and assists.

Can's didn't.

Good example of how stats don't tell the full picture.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #81 on: February 6, 2019, 04:54:56 PM »
Fabinho is the better player. He suits us better he does his role better, as a 6 he doesn't need to be scoring goals or creating chances, it helps if he does, but that's not his role. So comparing the two in those two categories alone is nonsense.

The difference is off the ball for me, Can loved getting forward but when the move fell apart he was ponderous getting back into position to defend, whereas Fabinho works his butt off getting back into position to either recycle the ball or put in a defensive tackle.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #82 on: February 6, 2019, 04:57:48 PM »
The difference is off the ball for me, Can loved getting forward but when the move fell apart he was ponderous getting back into position to defend, whereas Fabinho works his butt off getting back into position to either recycle the ball or put in a defensive tackle.

His lack of tracking back and not marking his man whilst strolling did my head in

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #83 on: February 6, 2019, 05:16:17 PM »
The difference is off the ball for me, Can loved getting forward but when the move fell apart he was ponderous getting back into position to defend, whereas Fabinho works his butt off getting back into position to either recycle the ball or put in a defensive tackle.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #84 on: February 6, 2019, 06:00:24 PM »
Agreed.

I never understood what the fascination with Can was all about.
He was never really the top class MF we needed. Too slow, too ponderous.
Ironically his stand out position for us was when Brendan stuck him at RB! That's what we remember the most about him - all those pirouettes and turns with the ball under pressure in the peno area haha and he always seemed to get past the pressuring forward player and get rid of the ball. fair play to him. It seemed like he was almost turning on the style in defence to kind of tell Brendan that he was pissed off being put at RB haha

Funnily enough I think he'd make a classy centre back in a few years time when he's a bit more switched on to things.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2019, 09:51:51 AM »
Funnily enough I think he'd make a classy centre back in a few years time when he's a bit more switched on to things.

Agreed. I’m not at all broken up about him going, Fabinho is clearly superior, but there’s a player in there. If the increased game intelligence can be coached into him, alongside growing maturity I think he’d be have the tools to be a good centre half.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2019, 09:39:34 PM »
Things not going to well for him...

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Today, Coutinho has completed his move to Bayern Munich after failing at Barcelona, while Emre Can has been told by Juventus to find a new club.

This is according to the Echo, with their manager Maurizio Sarri not considering the German a viable option for his midfield.

Can ran down his contract with Liverpool and signed for the Italians on a Bosman in the summer of 2018, but one year later, he’s no longer considered a first-teamer…

Liverpool fans have been very noisy regarding the situation on Twitter, with the general consensus being that ‘the grass isn’t always greener,’ especially when you’re a starter for Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool.

Without Can and Coutinho, Liverpool won the Champions League a few months ago and racked up 97 points in the Premier League.

This term, we’re two wins from two in the Premier League and won the Super Cup on penalties.

Next time one of our big players wants to leave, the warnings will be obvious.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #89 on: August 19, 2019, 09:55:50 PM »
Considering the clubs that are looking at him I wouldn't think he will be signing on any time soon. PSG and Bayern are elite clubs. I enjoyed his style here and we haven't missed him so I bare him no ill will. Hope he doesn't become a Theo Walcott
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« Reply #90 on: August 19, 2019, 09:59:04 PM »
Always knocks the confidence when you get just a bit too cocky, only to find yourself taken down a peg or three.  Can't say I feel sorry for either of them.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #91 on: August 19, 2019, 10:00:17 PM »
Not really his fault Juve got a new manager in who's decided Can's attributes aren't a good fit for what he wants to do.  I'm sure he'll get himself a good club if he does have to move on.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #92 on: August 19, 2019, 10:01:16 PM »
He should go be a centre-back, he was best there. Obviously he needs to learn to head the ball, like.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #93 on: August 19, 2019, 10:01:18 PM »
The headline on a lot of articles regarding him makes it seem a lot worse than it is if the clubs mentioned are actually interested

You could do a hell of a lot worse than Bayern and PSG to be honest

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« Reply #94 on: August 19, 2019, 11:52:12 PM »
The headline on a lot of articles regarding him makes it seem a lot worse than it is if the clubs mentioned are actually interested

You could do a hell of a lot worse than Bayern and PSG to be honest

Yes, but with those clubs (if true) you'd imagine it's a bit of a speculative afterthought,  to pad the squad. Rather than regular games. Bit like that Stoke player CHupa Moating?? who came on in Paris against us.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2019, 09:10:58 AM »
He's going to be a world class midfielder. WORLD CLASS!!!

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Don’t get the need for digs. Saw out his contract, kept his month shut and gave it his all why he was here

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #96 on: August 20, 2019, 09:13:04 AM »
You’d like to think him and Coutinho would serve as cautionary tales to others, but I’m sure there’ll still be a few who think they can do better
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #97 on: August 20, 2019, 10:16:54 AM »
Don’t get the need for digs. Saw out his contract, kept his month shut and gave it his all why he was here

The life of a supporter really.

Don't even make sense, We haven't even missed him

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« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2019, 10:26:05 AM »
The life of a supporter really.

Don't even make sense, We haven't even missed him
i thought it was pretty clearly a dig at some of those on here who flew off the handle and lost their when he left, not the player. The kind that then had a go at the club (and some even at Klopp) for developing a top class player for another team, lamenting our chances of improving our midfield.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2019, 11:08:33 AM »
Not surprised really. Juve have Pjanic, Khedira, Ramsey, Rabiot, Bentancur and Matuidi, all of whom are arguably better, and they need to cut their wage bill. Having said that, he's 25 and is still a decent box-to-box player. They should easily get £20 million for him, hopefully he'll opt for a midtable team where he can really nail down a regular place.

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« Reply #100 on: August 20, 2019, 11:42:38 AM »
Don’t get the need for digs. Saw out his contract, kept his month shut and gave it his all why he was here

It's not a dig at Can. It's a reminder that the phrase "world class" gets thrown about too easily, without an understanding of what it takes to actually be world class.
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« Reply #101 on: August 20, 2019, 11:53:59 AM »
Not surprised really. Juve have Pjanic, Khedira, Ramsey, Rabiot, Bentancur and Matuidi, all of whom are arguably better, and they need to cut their wage bill. Having said that, he's 25 and is still a decent box-to-box player. They should easily get £20 million for him, hopefully he'll opt for a midtable team where he can really nail down a regular place.

And I’d be pretty confident we’ll be having a similar conversation in a year about Aaron Ramsay
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2019, 12:01:24 PM »
Since he's homegrown at the club, Bayern would probably like to do some business there. Not sure he'd play any significant role in their XI but he would be a good squad player for them.

His true level then? I think he'd be ideal for some top four challenger in Bundesliga like Leverkusen, Mönchengladbach or Schalke.

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« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2019, 12:02:59 PM »
Since he's homegrown at the club, Bayern would probably like to do some business there. Not sure he'd play any significant role in their XI but he would be a good squad player for them.

That’d be fitting, him and Phil can exchange tales of the trophies they’ve been very little part of winning
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2019, 12:22:26 PM »
i thought it was pretty clearly a dig at some of those on here who flew off the handle and lost their when he left, not the player. The kind that then had a go at the club (and some even at Klopp) for developing a top class player for another team, lamenting our chances of improving our midfield.

Other than Sterling and Suarez who in the last 10-15 years has left Liverpool and done anything worth a lick. Fans that make noise like that get involved in their emotions too much.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2019, 12:22:43 PM »
That’d be fitting, him and Phil can exchange tales of the trophies they’ve been very little part of winning

With all due respect, Coutinho played 18 games in the spring of 2018 and 34 games last season, while Can played 29 league games. Phil contributed 13 goals to the pair of league title wins for Barca while Emre scored four in Juventus' last season. They definitely had a part to play in those triumphs. They missed out on the big ears though, but that's another thing altogether...

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« Reply #106 on: August 20, 2019, 12:27:47 PM »
With all due respect, Coutinho played 18 games in the spring of 2018 and 34 games last season, while Can played 29 league games. Phil contributed 13 goals to the pair of league title wins for Barca while Emre scored four in Juventus' last season. They definitely had a part to play in those triumphs. They missed out on the big ears though, but that's another thing altogether...

Well if you’re going to apply logic  ::)
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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« Reply #107 on: August 20, 2019, 12:37:03 PM »
Well if you’re going to apply logic  ::)

You could call Michael Owen or a bunch of our bench-warmers in Madrid medal thieves but it's a bit unfair to suggest players who played more than a couple of dozen games and bagged several goals during the title runs are such  ;D

As for Can, I believe he'd thrive moving to one of the big Istanbul clubs, he could easily be captain within a year and become a legend there in either of the three. The pay over there is also great and he obviously speaks the language. I think he probably feels too young to go there and play in that lower-quality league yet though and I can't blame him for that either. So long as he travels around Europe's big clubs, squad player is the role he'll have: it's not bad at all, but not the kind of career he'd been expecting to have when he came here at 20.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #108 on: August 20, 2019, 02:25:46 PM »
Other than Sterling and Suarez who in the last 10-15 years has left Liverpool and done anything worth a lick. Fans that make noise like that get involved in their emotions too much.
Alonso and Mascherano I guess, but I take your point

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« Reply #109 on: August 20, 2019, 02:56:19 PM »
i thought it was pretty clearly a dig at some of those on here who flew off the handle and lost their when he left, not the player. The kind that then had a go at the club (and some even at Klopp) for developing a top class player for another team, lamenting our chances of improving our midfield.

Tbf, I don't think a fan of any club enjoys losing a player against the club's wishes, especially for nowt.  Also, we've been transitioning into a club where us fans are starting to realise that we can do better than players like Can.

I think it's as much the fear of replacing a player as much as what that player brings to the team. Now we're European Champions and every player here wants to be here. Regret is for those who left thinking they could do better than Liverpool Football Club.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #110 on: August 20, 2019, 03:02:53 PM »
Tbf, I don't think a fan of any club enjoys losing a player against the club's wishes, especially for nowt.  Also, we've been transitioning into a club where us fans are starting to realise that we can do better than players like Can.

I think it's as much the fear of replacing a player as much as what that player brings to the team. Now we're European Champions and every player here wants to be here. Regret is for those who left thinking they could do better than Liverpool Football Club.

Yeah but it's always going to occur. Some people are just panickers and don't have the tolerance threshold to be able to cope with the uncertainty that a transfer window can bring.

We've seen it before with other players Klopp was ostensibly hoping to retain (at least short term) however ultimately was comfortable enough to let them leave, such as Joe Allen, Lucas, Klavan, Clyne (on loan), Wilson and (potentially) Lovren next

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #111 on: August 20, 2019, 03:15:12 PM »
Alonso and Mascherano I guess, but I take your point

fcking hell how did I miss those two  :o

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #112 on: August 20, 2019, 05:11:27 PM »
Alonso and Mascherano I guess, but I take your point

You can add Torres to Chelsea(FA cup,Europa league and Champions league)
Alvaro Arbeloa to Real Madrid(Two Champions league , La Liga,Copa Del Ray)to that list.

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #113 on: August 20, 2019, 05:14:42 PM »
You can add Torres to Chelsea(FA cup,Europa league and Champions league)
Alvaro Arbeloa to Real Madrid(Two Champions league , La Liga,Copa Del Ray)to that list.

Torres was a backup dancer tough, no disrespect. Can't remember re Arbeloa. either way, it is usually downhill for players that leave here

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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #114 on: August 20, 2019, 05:19:41 PM »
i thought it was pretty clearly a dig at some of those on here who flew off the handle and lost their when he left, not the player. The kind that then had a go at the club (and some even at Klopp) for developing a top class player for another team, lamenting our chances of improving our midfield.

Most of us just wished we'd got some money for him. 10m was supposedly a bargain and a sure fire way of making money on his sale, then he eventually goes for a free when he's improved in the mean time.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #115 on: August 20, 2019, 06:25:06 PM »
Torres was a backup dancer tough, no disrespect. Can't remember re Arbeloa. either way, it is usually downhill for players that leave here

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« Reply #116 on: August 20, 2019, 07:31:56 PM »
He's being linked in the Italian press in a swap deal for Barca with Rakitic.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #117 on: August 20, 2019, 07:49:23 PM »
Saw out his contract, kept his month shut and gave it his all why he was here
I have no ill will toward Emre. He could see the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to be a preferred player for Klopp, so he took a chance at moving to the Italian champions. A lot of us would have done the same. He left while being respectful to LFC, which was the opposite of what Coutinho did.

I hope Can does well wherever he lands.
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Re: Emre Can
« Reply #118 on: August 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM »
Emre Can showed a lot of class after Liverpool's Champions League win too, sent a very nice message via his social media to congratulate the team, and especially Mr Klopp - as he called him  ;D

I still like Emre (don't miss him here though!), and hopefully if he moves, he settles at a good team where he can flourish. 
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