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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #840 on: April 3, 2019, 07:10:27 AM »
Having a argument with a blue at work who thinks Pickford is the dogs bollocks. And better than Allison. And the only reason Allison has conceded less is because he's behind a better defence.

Could some kind person help me out and put some stats on here comparing not just Pickford and Allison, but how Pickford compares to the rest of the keepers in the league as well.


Haven't got precise measurements er...to hand, but I can confirm all the other keepers have normal sized arms.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #841 on: April 3, 2019, 08:29:28 AM »
Recent updates in this thread are just making me think of Bob Mortimer’s songs about Sunderland from Atletico Mince.

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Re: The trouble with Jordan Pickford
« Reply #842 on: April 3, 2019, 11:27:04 PM »
Allegedly someone called his girlfriend a fat c*nt (she had his child a month ago). Can't blame someone for swinging after that.

Also, wrong forum.

You can understand his annoyance, what you can't understand is why, after winding up the barcodes recently, he chose to visit  lively pub up there with a few too many ales. You could have forecast the winding up but he put himself in such a place. Niaive really but if the story is true then a fine and a telling off is enough, if he does it again then he should be punished for stupidity.
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Re: The trouble with Jordan Pickford
« Reply #843 on: April 3, 2019, 11:31:54 PM »
You can understand his annoyance, what you can't understand is why, after winding up the barcodes recently, he chose to visit  lively pub up there with a few too many ales. You could have forecast the winding up but he put himself in such a place. Niaive really but if the story is true then a fine and a telling off is enough, if he does it again then he should be punished for stupidity.



Just seen a video on youtube (been deleted) that shows when he was getting dragged off he was shouting ''She's not fucking fat,she big boned''
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #844 on: April 3, 2019, 11:33:57 PM »


Just seen a video on youtube (been deleted) that shows when he was getting dragged off he was shouting ''She's not fucking fat,she big boned''

Unlike his humerus, ulna  and radius?

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Re: The trouble with Jordan Pickford
« Reply #845 on: April 4, 2019, 12:46:04 AM »


Just seen a video on youtube (been deleted) that shows when he was getting dragged off he was shouting ''She's not fucking fat,she big boned''

Trouble with Jordan, not unlike Phil Jones, is that he is a gift that just keeps on giving, he's just that sort of bloke.
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #846 on: April 4, 2019, 03:22:14 PM »
Having a argument with a blue at work who thinks Pickford is the dogs bollocks. And better than Allison. And the only reason Allison has conceded less is because he's behind a better defence.

Could some kind person help me out and put some stats on here comparing not just Pickford and Allison, but how Pickford compares to the rest of the keepers in the league as well.

Here's my attempt at analysing Goalkeepers, it's a work in progress and something that admittedly I left to gather dust but I updated the data this afternoon so it covers all games up till yesterday. Not sure it helps prove your point definitively , I guess it depends on how you interpret it.

It might also be worth trying to explain the concept here although, admittedly there's still a few things to iron out:

Basically I gather all shots on goal and strip away anything that isn't on target, I also strip away Penalties as these are high xG events that should be analysed independently.  I am then left with Shots Saved & Goals. These are therefore situations that are entirely in the gk's remit and because we are using xG it helps quantify difficulty of shots (a lot better than simply analysing shots on target but still with its own pitfalls).

I then subtract one from the other to give me a net balance. If it's positive then it suggests that a goalkeeper is saving more than he is letting in based on the balance of probabilities. 

Taken in context and looking at the overall Total in isolation to the right. The numbers suggest that Pickford is doing badly, however I'm also able to break this down by situation, and we can see that in open play Pickford just edges Allison (the difference is just 0.05) , however that could easily change in the course of the next game. So overall the stats doesn't seem to suggest that there is much of a difference between them in open play situations.

However it clearly shows how Pickford is let down in corners and whether that's down to Everton's defence or his small arms is hard to tell.



What's interesting to note is how Allison is the only gk with no negative net balance in any situation. It also looks like he has had no set pieces on the data but if I drill down to a match aggregation level it clearly shows how it's simply a case of the net balance equalling 0.




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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #847 on: April 4, 2019, 09:07:29 PM »
Having a argument with a blue at work who thinks Pickford is the dogs bollocks. And better than Allison. And the only reason Allison has conceded less is because he's behind a better defence.

Could some kind person help me out and put some stats on here comparing not just Pickford and Allison, but how Pickford compares to the rest of the keepers in the league as well.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/player-comparison

Allisson has an almost 80% pass completion rate, Prickford less than 55%

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #848 on: April 4, 2019, 09:39:35 PM »
He's a fuckin divvy that lad.
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #849 on: April 5, 2019, 01:13:16 AM »
He's a fuckin divvy that lad.
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #850 on: April 5, 2019, 01:22:29 AM »
He's a fuckin divvy that lad.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #851 on: April 6, 2019, 05:10:27 PM »
Here's my attempt at analysing Goalkeepers, it's a work in progress and something that admittedly I left to gather dust but I updated the data this afternoon so it covers all games up till yesterday. Not sure it helps prove your point definitively , I guess it depends on how you interpret it.

It might also be worth trying to explain the concept here although, admittedly there's still a few things to iron out:

Basically I gather all shots on goal and strip away anything that isn't on target, I also strip away Penalties as these are high xG events that should be analysed independently.  I am then left with Shots Saved & Goals. These are therefore situations that are entirely in the gk's remit and because we are using xG it helps quantify difficulty of shots (a lot better than simply analysing shots on target but still with its own pitfalls).

I then subtract one from the other to give me a net balance. If it's positive then it suggests that a goalkeeper is saving more than he is letting in based on the balance of probabilities. 

Taken in context and looking at the overall Total in isolation to the right. The numbers suggest that Pickford is doing badly, however I'm also able to break this down by situation, and we can see that in open play Pickford just edges Allison (the difference is just 0.05) , however that could easily change in the course of the next game. So overall the stats doesn't seem to suggest that there is much of a difference between them in open play situations.

However it clearly shows how Pickford is let down in corners and whether that's down to Everton's defence or his small arms is hard to tell.



What's interesting to note is how Allison is the only gk with no negative net balance in any situation. It also looks like he has had no set pieces on the data but if I drill down to a match aggregation level it clearly shows how it's simply a case of the net balance equalling 0.



Top work mate. Just to add to this:-

Errors leading to goal
Pickford 4
Alisson 3

Alisson's mistakes were all highlighted and punished. But the mistakes that cost teams goals all have the same value - a goal. There is no 'worse' really. If anything, I worry about mistakes relating to poor technique or some limitation as they are likely going to occur consistently throughout your career in those situations. Random brain farts happen to all players though.

Pickford makes more mistakes than Alisson, has more limitations to his game and doesn't really show as excelling in any particular area more so than Alisson. He has a clearly identified weakness dealing with crosses - and dropped 10 last season which was more than double any other EPL keeper. He also seems to struggle with hard shots from outside the box. His distribution is more highlight reel good than actually effective. He gives it away a lot in his own half and will put the ball into touch twice for every sidewinder kick he manages to pick someone out.

He is a keeper that will look world class in patches, but, when stretched out over a period of time, the limitations in his game will shine through and can't be ignored.
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #852 on: April 6, 2019, 11:05:28 PM »
Stats? Please.

Don't need stats mate. I bumped into him today. He still seemed angry about something/everything.
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #853 on: April 17, 2019, 10:30:02 PM »
Casillas was channeling Pickers on Bobby's goal, with the vertical dive.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #854 on: July 1, 2019, 11:59:57 AM »
Wasn't there a cool picture of Pickford's Derby cock up mocked up with a Nike swoosh? Sort of minimally done?

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #855 on: July 1, 2019, 12:25:07 PM »
Wasn't there a cool picture of Pickford's Derby cock up mocked up with a Nike swoosh? Sort of minimally done?
There's one of Jordans logo:


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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #856 on: July 1, 2019, 12:52:01 PM »
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #858 on: July 1, 2019, 05:03:21 PM »
Fake that, he's caught it

They say the camera never lies, but it does. Immediately after getting the ball, he threw it against the bar and it rebounded for Divock to knock it in.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #859 on: July 1, 2019, 08:18:57 PM »
I think we need to see it again to decide.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #860 on: July 1, 2019, 08:25:37 PM »
I think we need to see it again to decide.

This?


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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #861 on: July 1, 2019, 08:32:44 PM »
Never gets old that :D Love that he's trying to be a big hero and catch it. Cheers for the 3 points :wave

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #862 on: July 1, 2019, 08:38:59 PM »
Never gets old that :D Love that he's trying to be a big hero and catch it. Cheers for the 3 points :wave

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Love that they claim to have cost us the league due to the draw. That idiot gifted us two extra points which took the chase to the final day.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #863 on: July 1, 2019, 08:45:45 PM »
;D

Love that they claim to have cost us the league due to the draw. That idiot gifted us two extra points which took the chase to the final day.

Ang got Divock in that goal scoring groove which ultimately led to us winning the Trans European Rumbelows Cup.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #864 on: July 1, 2019, 09:11:52 PM »
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #865 on: July 1, 2019, 09:35:06 PM »
This?



Mesmerising.  It was honestly going out if he'd just left it alone. ;D
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #866 on: July 1, 2019, 11:00:38 PM »
Mesmerising.  It was honestly going out if he'd just left it alone. ;D

Yeah, clearly bouncing behind. Everyone knew it except him.

I love the gesturing at the end, too.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #867 on: July 2, 2019, 06:52:13 AM »
Amazing. The moment Origi realised the ball might fall back inside is the exact moment when Zouma realises the same.

On a side note, its funny how Digne thinks it might be offside.  :lmao :lmao

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« Reply #868 on: July 2, 2019, 08:24:39 AM »
Yeah, clearly bouncing behind. Everyone knew it except him.

I love the gesturing at the end, too.

Whole defence is standing around like lazy pillocks, thinking the game is done.  But that's 100% Pickford's fault, despite the way he looks at them.  ;D

Amazing. The moment Origi realised the ball might fall back inside is the exact moment when Zouma realises the same.

On a side note, its funny how Digne thinks it might be offside.  :lmao :lmao

You mean the one Everton  player who doesn't even try to break out of walking pace? Just sticks his hand up like a lazy arse. ;D
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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #869 on: July 2, 2019, 08:52:47 AM »
You mean the one Everton  player who doesn't even try to break out of walking pace? Just sticks his hand up like a lazy arse. ;D

Excuse me but that’s the greatest left back since Paulo Maldini....how dare you besmirch his good name :no. There’s a special place in hell for heathens like you...

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #870 on: July 2, 2019, 09:10:01 AM »
Mesmerising.  It was honestly going out if he'd just left it alone. ;D

The effort needed to keep it in is immense.

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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #871 on: July 2, 2019, 09:15:51 AM »
The effort needed to keep it in is immense.

Especially with them arms ;D

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« Reply #872 on: July 2, 2019, 10:28:08 AM »
Excuse me but that’s the greatest left back since Paulo Maldini....how dare you besmirch his good name :no. There’s a special place in hell for heathens like you...

Indeed yes. Everton love Maldini so much they built a statue of him.





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Re: The Jordan Pickford appreciation thread
« Reply #873 on: July 2, 2019, 12:52:26 PM »
The effort needed to keep it in is immense.

His thought process (limited as it probably is) was no doubt "If I just catch this they won't be able to make jokes about my short arms any more"

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