Author Topic: Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain  (Read 756808 times)

Offline Yiannis

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 12,033
  • Reds fan from Greece
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3640 on: March 16, 2020, 11:47:02 am »
I must have watched it more than 50 times. It's kinda addictive.
Messi in fact doesn't have a recognizable trait.

Offline Ashburton

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,869
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3641 on: March 16, 2020, 12:38:07 pm »
His only issue is injuries. But he's become so much better since joining you guys. Never looked a midfielder for us

His issue was he was always a box of tricks and direct running, but he'd end up gassed in the last 30 and his positional sense was pretty dodgy when defending.  I don't think that has changed much, but on the upside he's playing in a much better team now than when he was playing for us - and his pace lets him pass someone.  When he was with us it was always about backing the opposition into their third and his pace wasn't doing him any favours, but now with different tactics he's bringing out that natural mix of physicality as well as skill.

Offline Ghost Town

  • RAWK snitch. Bands won't play no more. Too much fighting on the dance floor! Probably one of only three people who knows the meaning of "depuratory", the Suzy Dent-esque freakshow! Hannoying homunculus.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 14,899
  • mundus vult decipi
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3642 on: March 16, 2020, 02:08:41 pm »
No idea what this dancing video is that people are on about, but glad to see he's happy
"Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth, and every other man has a right to knock him down for it."
Samuel (not Glen) Johnson, as reported by James (not Joey) Boswell. They must have foreseen RAWK ;D

Offline Insole Petrol

  • Main Stander
  • ***
  • Posts: 95
  • What we do in this life echoes in eternity
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3643 on: March 21, 2020, 06:30:44 pm »
No idea what this dancing video is that people are on about, but glad to see he's happy


‘Players will be at home on individual training programmes to ensure levels of fitness remain during this period’
‘And you can sit there and play with your silly machines as much as you like...’

Online duvva 💅

  • lippa RAWK Diivva, broke Kenny's sky
  • Matchday Commentator
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 18,174
  • LFC Quiz Rivals Most Hated
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3644 on: July 10, 2020, 04:43:29 pm »
Starting to feel a bit for Ox. Clear he’s trying ever so hard despite often not being played in his best position. Honestly think he just needs a really good couple of games back to back to regain that level of confidence, but it’s very difficult with the level of competition for a spot in the midfield. Hope he keeps his head up and comes through this period and can regain the form from before his injury. Perhaps Henderson’s injury will be a blessing for Ox.

Then maybe his thread won’t end up sitting on page 4, although perhaps it was hidden here to keep it away from those who love to batter him in half time threads.
"If you don't limit yourself with bad thoughts, you can fly" - Jurgen Klopp

Offline Fromola

  • For the love of god please shut the fuck up. Lomola... “The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the King!...” Places stock in the wrong opinions. Miserable F*cker! Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 31,008
  • Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3645 on: July 10, 2020, 04:53:06 pm »
Everyone likes Ox but like with Origi they're a first go-to back up options but aren't performing to the standards needed which is a big part in people saying the squad isn't strong enough.

It was always going to be a struggle for Ox after so long out with a horrible knee injury and he's just not a good wide option which is another thing.
Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season

Offline El Lobo

  • Chief Suck Up. Feel his breath on your face. Toxic, pathetic, arse-faced, weaselling slimeball. RAWK Maths Genius 2022.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 54,990
  • Pretty, pretty, pretty pretty good
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3646 on: July 10, 2020, 06:54:00 pm »
Everyone likes Ox but like with Origi they're a first go-to back up options but aren't performing to the standards needed which is a big part in people saying the squad isn't strong enough.

It was always going to be a struggle for Ox after so long out with a horrible knee injury and he's just not a good wide option which is another thing.

Anyone translate that? ;D
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

Offline Fordy

  • Κασσάνδρα. ITK (rubs bridge of nose knowingly)
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 35,058
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3647 on: July 10, 2020, 07:08:37 pm »
Everyone likes Ox but like with Origi they're a first go-to back up options but aren't performing to the standards needed which is a big part in people saying the squad isn't strong enough.

It was always going to be a struggle for Ox after so long out with a horrible knee injury and he's just not a good wide option which is another thing.

Nonsense mate

Offline Fromola

  • For the love of god please shut the fuck up. Lomola... “The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the King!...” Places stock in the wrong opinions. Miserable F*cker! Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 31,008
  • Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3648 on: July 10, 2020, 08:36:45 pm »
Nonsense mate

If Ox and Origi were performing well this season then nobody would have been too bothered about Werner not happening or signing a forward.
Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season

Offline markmywords

  • Was 2/10. Now 0.5/10. Must try much harder not to make people a little sick in their mouth.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,326
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3649 on: July 10, 2020, 08:38:24 pm »
Everyone likes Ox but like with Origi they're a first go-to back up options but aren't performing to the standards needed which is a big part in people saying the squad isn't strong enough.

It was always going to be a struggle for Ox after so long out with a horrible knee injury and he's just not a good wide option which is another thing.

I kinda agree

I think Origi would be an excellent no.9 for most sides in the PL

But in our system, we play him as a wide attacker and he looks no good and people say are back ups are poor as a result

Similiar to Ox when he is shoe horned into a wide attacker role, I think OX in the inside right channel that Hendo plays would be very good, maybe hendo's injury will give him a chance
« Last Edit: July 10, 2020, 09:24:59 pm by markmywords »

Offline aw1991

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,101
  • Love Firmino, hate bastards
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3650 on: July 10, 2020, 09:18:44 pm »
If Ox and Origi were performing well this season then nobody would have been too bothered about Werner not happening or signing a forward.
Ox isn't a good option for Salah or Mane's role, but he is excellent in a central role

Offline Wingman

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,951
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3651 on: July 10, 2020, 11:11:00 pm »
If Ox and Origi were performing well this season then nobody would have been too bothered about Werner not happening or signing a forward.

“Nobody”? Bollocks. Origi could bag a goal in every game he played and people would still have kicked off over Werner to Chelsea.

Ox has a fair bit of competition for a place midfield, and that’s how it should be. He’s not back to his level just before the injury but he can get there. Hopefully he’ll get a few starts in the middle with Hendo out for a while. I’d love to see him play alongside Gini and Naby in a game where we go out and blitz someone!

Offline Fromola

  • For the love of god please shut the fuck up. Lomola... “The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the King!...” Places stock in the wrong opinions. Miserable F*cker! Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 31,008
  • Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3652 on: July 11, 2020, 10:40:11 am »
“Nobody”? Bollocks. Origi could bag a goal in every game he played and people would still have kicked off over Werner to Chelsea.

Ox and Origi have generally been the go-to cover across the front three. If they were performing great in those roles (which was my point) then there would be no need for Werner beyond a luxury. Especially with no AFCON now next season. Instead they've not played well at all in these positions for the most part this season and the performances have progressively struggled more in the games they've had (before lockdown and again now).


Ox has a fair bit of competition for a place midfield, and that’s how it should be. He’s not back to his level just before the injury but he can get there. Hopefully he’ll get a few starts in the middle with Hendo out for a while. I’d love to see him play alongside Gini and Naby in a game where we go out and blitz someone!

He's a good player and best deployed in midfield. It's a bit like Lallana were after a long lay off needs a real run of games to get into his stride but as he's not first choice and with the standards set in this team you need to be on it.
Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season

Offline Clayton Bigsby

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 17,476
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3653 on: July 11, 2020, 10:47:00 am »
We know Ox is best in central midfield but was just wondering, from all the technical heads on here, why do you think he hasn't really worked as a Mane/salah back up. He has good pace, workrate, technique. Is it the lack of killer instincts or scoring knack that holds him back?

Offline aw1991

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,101
  • Love Firmino, hate bastards
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3654 on: July 11, 2020, 11:25:23 am »
We know Ox is best in central midfield but was just wondering, from all the technical heads on here, why do you think he hasn't really worked as a Mane/salah back up. He has good pace, workrate, technique. Is it the lack of killer instincts or scoring knack that holds him back?
I think he is really quick when driving with the ball at his feet but he isn't as quick as Salah or Mane off it. He just doesn't get into good scoring chances often

Offline HardworkDedication

  • Hardwork and Dedication linked to many stories - Mingebag. Has no opinion of his own. Human news ticker tape.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 5,100
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3655 on: July 16, 2020, 01:04:54 pm »
Klopp is a fan but can Oxlade-Chamberlain ever be one of his first picks?

By James Pearce 29m ago

If money was Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain’s motivation, he never would have ventured north to Merseyside. Arsenal were prepared to pay him £180,000 a week if he committed to a new contract back in 2017. Chelsea offered him the chance of a convenient move across the capital for even greater riches. It was ambition, rather than thoughts about his bank balance which convinced him to step out of his comfort zone and join Liverpool for a fee of £35 million.

The England international, who had entered the final year of his deal, was frustrated with life at the Emirates. He felt that things had gone stale. He was unhappy with being continually shifted around by Arsene Wenger to fill gaps, rather than being played in the central midfield role he craved.

Oxlade-Chamberlain had watched from afar with a degree of envy as Jurgen Klopp revived Liverpool’s fortunes and helped a host of players realise their full potential. Having received glowing recommendations about working with Klopp from England team-mates Jordan Henderson and Adam Lallana, he wanted his development to receive a similar shot in the arm. He chose Liverpool because he wanted to become an integral part of a team capable of winning silverware.

Three years on, Oxlade-Chamberlain returned to the Emirates on Wednesday night as a Champions League, UEFA Super Cup, Club World Cup and Premier League winner. He was applauded on to the field by the club he left behind.
His decision has certainly been vindicated, given that Arsenal have been trophyless since he moved on — stumbling from Arsene Wenger to Unai Emery and now Mikel Arteta — yet Oxlade-Chamberlain’s battle to truly carve out a niche for himself in Klopp’s side remains a work in progress.

Since the Premier League restart, he has started just three of the champions’ seven games and he was taken off after an hour against Arsenal, with the manager looking elsewhere for inspiration as they tried in vain to repair the damage done by rare errors from Virgil van Dijk and Alisson, which were punished by Alexandre Lacazette and Reiss Nelson respectively following Sadio Mane’s opener.

Oxlade-Chamberlain’s tally of 85 appearances for Liverpool includes just 45 starts and he has been substituted on 35 occasions. Convincing Klopp he can last the pace has been an ongoing issue. He hasn’t completed 90 minutes in the Premier League all season. The 26-year-old has also had to accept playing out wide and doing a job for the team at times, despite clearly looking happier and more effective when operating through the middle. Only 25 of his 41 outings in all competitions this season have been in a central role.

On a personal level, life at Liverpool has been full of ups and downs for Oxlade-Chamberlain. There was the difficult start to his first season when he had to wait until November to make his full Premier League debut for the club as Klopp sought tactical adjustments from him on the training ground.

Then, the penny dropped and he blossomed. Powerful and direct, he gave Liverpool’s midfield a new dimension with his driving runs and ability to exploit small pockets of space. There was the stunning piledriver in the Champions League quarter-final triumph over Manchester City before his world was rocked by the serious knee injury he suffered in a challenge with Aleksandar Kolarov in the semi-final against Roma at Anfield.

“We will wait for Alex like a good wife when a man is in prison,” Klopp vowed shortly after Oxlade-Chamberlain underwent surgery.

There was the image of him on crutches and in floods of tears amid the heartbreak of defeat to Real Madrid in the final in Kiev. The rehab was gruelling and lonely but Oxlade-Chamberlain enhanced his standing among players and staff alike with how he faced those dark days at Melwood.

His charity work for Zoe’s Place, a Liverpool children’s hospice, helped to provide a sense of perspective. He was also indebted to the support of pop star girlfriend Perrie Edwards. After 367 days on the sidelines, there was an emotional return to action against Huddersfield Town as Anfield welcomed him back. The 2018-19 season was effectively a write-off, with Oxlade-Chamberlain making just two substitute appearances, and he didn’t feature in the Champions League final victory over Tottenham.

When he was handed a new contract by Liverpool last August, it was a symbolic and classy gesture. They were effectively giving him back the year that he had lost, with a 12-month extension tying him to the club until the summer of 2023. This season, he has rallied. His form earned him a return to the England fold as he was trusted by Klopp to start in both the UEFA Super Cup and the Club World Cup triumphs.

He lit up the Luminus Arena with a classy double against Genk in the group stage of the Champions League back in October. But even on that night, Klopp wanted more from him in terms of his work off the ball.

“Ox’s performance was exactly like the performance of the team: the goals were great but all the rest could have been better,” was the manager’s assessment. “Finding your flow and your rhythm again is not too easy.”

Assistant coach Pep Lijnders spoke about how Liverpool had seen “glimpses” of the “completely different dynamic” that Oxlade-Chamberlain provides. Nine months on, that statement still stands. Real consistency has eluded him.

With seven goals and one assist in all competitions, he’s Liverpool’s fourth-top scorer behind Klopp’s established front three this season. It’s been his most prolific campaign since he netted nine times for Southampton as a teenager in 2010-11.

But Oxlade-Chamberlain, who hasn’t added to his account since early February, doesn’t need telling that there’s still plenty of room for improvement. He’s his own biggest critic and hasn’t been able to hide his feelings at times, most noticeably when he took his frustration on a seat after being substituted against Manchester United at Anfield.

He later confirmed that his issue was with “not doing as much as I’d like when I’m on” rather than Klopp’s decision to take him off. “I still need to do more. Quality-wise, I was a bit disappointed with myself,” he told the media after scoring in the win at West Ham United in January.

Klopp has urged him not to be so hard on himself. There was a public show of support when the topic of Liverpool’s squad depth came up last week.

“Oxlade-Chamberlain, if he’s not in your first XI; he played incredible games for this club. He won (the game) pretty much alone against City a year or so ago,” Klopp said. “He’s not a worse footballer since then. It’s just not easy always to be there.”

The reality is that few would name Oxlade-Chamberlain in the champions’ first-choice XI. Fabinho, Jordan Henderson and Georginio Wijnaldum has been Klopp’s favoured midfield combination en route to Premier League glory.

However, there is no doubt that Oxlade-Chamberlain is worth persevering with. “I like him. He’s a flair player, who gives them something different,” declared former Liverpool midfielder Graeme Souness from the Sky Sports studio prior to Wednesday’s game. “He’s got great quality but I’m still waiting for him to put a real run of games together.”

It didn’t start at the Emirates. There were moments of promise but at times, his touch and his decision-making let him down. Once again, when Klopp rang the changes early in the second half, the No 15 went up on the board.

Oxlade-Chamberlain has been a decent asset for Liverpool — both on and off the field. But his mission to take the leap from versatile, valuable squad option to being a mainstay of the team will continue into next season.

https://theathletic.co.uk/1928560/2020/07/16/liverpool-oxlade-chamberlain-arsenal-premier-league-klopp/


I still have every faith that he will get back to his former self.

Offline El Lobo

  • Chief Suck Up. Feel his breath on your face. Toxic, pathetic, arse-faced, weaselling slimeball. RAWK Maths Genius 2022.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 54,990
  • Pretty, pretty, pretty pretty good
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3656 on: July 16, 2020, 01:27:19 pm »
He’s just found it tough getting back into a good rhythm after lockdown, nothing to overly worry about. He was excellent after Xmas.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

Offline Mighty_Red

  • Rojo Poderoso!
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,897
  • All hail the King...
    • Join the fight - SOS
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3657 on: July 16, 2020, 02:46:20 pm »
He’s just found it tough getting back into a good rhythm after lockdown, nothing to overly worry about. He was excellent after Xmas.
I think it will be a worry for him personally - this is a tough team and midfield to get into and if he wants more starts/minutes he has to step it up.

If anything he should take a look at Hendo as inspiration - how many times between 2015 - 2018 did we as fans think we could improve on him, and the signing on Fabinho & Naby could've pushed him into just being a squad player despite him being captain.

Instead, Hendo completely got over the injuries he had had and pushed himself on and become invaluable to the team as a player (not just a captain).
« Last Edit: July 16, 2020, 05:25:31 pm by Mighty_Red »
Some clubs were always destined for greatness...

Offline Oskar

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,126
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3658 on: July 16, 2020, 05:41:41 pm »
He just looks a bit short of confidence at the moment.

It will turn around for him. I think a few of our players are going through the motions at the moment and would be happy for this season to end now so that focus can turn to next season - Oxlade-Chamberlain might be one of them. He's an important member of the squad, so hopefully whatever break the players get before pre-season will be of benefit and he'll come back ready to make a case for a starting place in September.

Offline Chakan

  • Chaka Chaka.....is in love with Aristotle but only for votes. The proud owner of some very private piles and an inflatable harem! Winner of RAWK's Carabao Cup captian contest.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 91,079
  • Internet Terrorist lvl VI
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3659 on: July 16, 2020, 05:44:52 pm »
I'd play him in every game till the end of the season, play the full 90 and play him back into form.

Games are meaningless now.

Offline ac

  • Headless chicken
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,469
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3660 on: July 16, 2020, 07:01:39 pm »
He’s just found it tough getting back into a good rhythm after lockdown, nothing to overly worry about. He was excellent after Xmas.

Ox scored a few goals from distance but I would not equate that him being excellent for any sustained period of time this season. If he was that good he would be getting in the team. Ox's general play and lack of influence in matches has has disappointing for me. The Atletico game at Anfield was very much an anomaly with his performance yesterday being more the norm. Keita  is miles ahead of him as a midfield option for me at this point in time.

Offline Bjornar

  • Kopite
  • *****
  • Posts: 903
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3661 on: July 16, 2020, 10:58:42 pm »
I think it will be a worry for him personally - this is a tough team and midfield to get into and if he wants more starts/minutes he has to step it up.

Fans look almost exclusively at what our midfielders are doing in possession, Klopp looks mainly at what they're doing without the ball, is my impression.  Think Klopp rates Oxlade Chamberlain much higher than the average RAWK poster because of this, don't believe he has that much reason to be worried.

Offline The North Bank

  • Can even make the sun shine in Manchester - once in a blue moon...
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 22,479
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3662 on: July 17, 2020, 08:10:00 am »
Story of his career at Arsenal, every time he looked like our best player, he gets wrecked with a horrible injury and takes a year to get back. I remember the first game of one season, running the show, knee ligaments went against villa, didnt come back till the new year and took months to peak again. The time he'd go to Bayern in cl and look incredible driving through their midfield, another injury ends season. One world cup when he looked like Englands best player in all the friendlies leading up to it, another injury, misses world cup and start of next season.
It seems like when hes at his physical peak, he feels indestructible and overdoes things, and hurts himself badly, then takes a long time to get his sharpness back. Someone you want to see succeed as he comes across as a really nice lad but might end up being remembered as unfulfilled potential.

Offline Knight

  • No one understands football like me.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 6,987
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3663 on: July 17, 2020, 08:11:08 am »
I mean the injury for us was a total freak one that had nothing to do with him pushing himself too far.

Offline rebel23

  • Rebel without a cause
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,319
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3664 on: July 17, 2020, 09:32:31 am »
Ox is a great player  i wouldn't worry too much  about performances in dead rubber games.   He has many years ahead of him

Online clinical

  • incision required - a bad case of an urgent rawkectomy? "And of course I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side."
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 25,725
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3665 on: July 17, 2020, 10:18:23 am »
He's lacking a little confidence right now, that's all. Good squad player to have.
Thank Fowler we're not getting Caulker

Online Libertine

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,487
  • Nothing behind me, everything ahead of me
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3666 on: July 17, 2020, 10:23:08 am »
He seems to end every season with the same amount of questions hanging over him as at the start of the season.

No doubt he's very talented, has been very unlucky with the injury, and is now is the difficult paradoxical position of needing a steady run of starts to gain consistency but not being consistent enough to warrant a steady run of starts.

He's a very good squad option to have of course and no doubt will still be here at least for the next season or two. But clearly number 5 in the battle for 3 midfield places right now.

Offline Ravishing Rick Dude

  • Cut the music! Missed the 'Saka is shite!' memo.
  • No new LFC topics
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 7,849
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3667 on: July 17, 2020, 10:29:24 am »
I think it will be a worry for him personally - this is a tough team and midfield to get into and if he wants more starts/minutes he has to step it up.

If anything he should take a look at Hendo as inspiration - how many times between 2015 - 2018 did we as fans think we could improve on him, and the signing on Fabinho & Naby could've pushed him into just being a squad player despite him being captain.

Instead, Hendo completely got over the injuries he had had and pushed himself on and become invaluable to the team as a player (not just a captain).

Yep. This is mentality test for him.
Rick for the rikes, prick for the pricks

SLAVA
UKRAINI

Offline Mighty_Red

  • Rojo Poderoso!
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,897
  • All hail the King...
    • Join the fight - SOS
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3668 on: July 17, 2020, 10:50:42 am »
Fans look almost exclusively at what our midfielders are doing in possession, Klopp looks mainly at what they're doing without the ball, is my impression.  Think Klopp rates Oxlade Chamberlain much higher than the average RAWK poster because of this, don't believe he has that much reason to be worried.
There's no doubt Klopp rates him, as do most of us - but the proof is in the pudding - he doesn't start as many matches as he probably feels he should and that will be down to other players offering more both on and off the ball than him.

The only way this side carries on winning next season is if our squad players can come into the team and play well. These last few matches have provided an opportunity for these players to get valuable game time to showcase why they should be in the side. Naby has shown that but Ox not so much.
Some clubs were always destined for greatness...

Offline Morgana

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 5,622
  • Sanity is overrated.
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3669 on: July 17, 2020, 11:19:40 am »
Didn't look ready against Arsenal but it might be a question of match fitness. All things considered, maybe I was a bit harsh on him. He's clearly been through hell and back and needs more time.

Offline kasperoff

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,473
  • What happened to Sabu?
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3670 on: July 17, 2020, 11:29:50 am »
Story of his career at Arsenal, every time he looked like our best player, he gets wrecked with a horrible injury and takes a year to get back. I remember the first game of one season, running the show, knee ligaments went against villa, didnt come back till the new year and took months to peak again. The time he'd go to Bayern in cl and look incredible driving through their midfield, another injury ends season. One world cup when he looked like Englands best player in all the friendlies leading up to it, another injury, misses world cup and start of next season.
It seems like when hes at his physical peak, he feels indestructible and overdoes things, and hurts himself badly, then takes a long time to get his sharpness back. Someone you want to see succeed as he comes across as a really nice lad but might end up being remembered as unfulfilled potential.

Well summed up. Have to say you are add great value to this forum and it's good to have sensible commentary from a rival fan.

As for Ox, he does have these massive swings in form. I remember his first game for us was almost comical. Genuinely the worst debut I can remember. Then I think of how good he was, pre-injury 2018 injury. He was undroppable at the point.

This Covid break has had impact on several of our players. Salah and Firmino are two more. Hopefully get a proper break now (I don't class the Covid break as a proper break) and get the reset they look like they need.
I think the same, can't stand him, but if you could have a £1million pound cheque or steve bruces head hollowed out and filled with pound coins which would you have?

Offline Oskar

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,126
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3671 on: July 17, 2020, 11:33:30 am »
Well summed up. Have to say you are add great value to this forum and it's good to have sensible commentary from a rival fan.

As for Ox, he does have these massive swings in form. I remember his first game for us was almost comical. Genuinely the worst debut I can remember. Then I think of how good he was, pre-injury 2018 injury. He was undroppable at the point.

This Covid break has had impact on several of our players. Salah and Firmino are two more. Hopefully get a proper break now (I don't class the Covid break as a proper break) and get the reset they look like they need.

Wasn't that the 5-0 defeat away at City where we had Mane sent off?

Offline MacKon

  • Main Stander
  • ***
  • Posts: 130
  • FOOTBALL WITHOUT ORIGI IS NOTHING
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3672 on: July 17, 2020, 11:36:41 am »
Yeah. His last Arsenal game was when they lost 4-0 to us and his first LFC game was 5-0 defeat to Man City. People were not really convinced to him back then... But even then I kept telling my mates that he would eventually turn out to be an engine in our midfield because we lacked a creative, attacking midfielder back then and he's filled that gap nicely.
Good thing about pizza is that even when it's bad, it's still reasonably good.

Offline liverbloke

  • Prototype RAWK Genius. Founder of stickysheets.com and prefers it solo. Gotta hand it to him, eh?
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,388
  • i neither know nor care
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3673 on: July 17, 2020, 11:41:29 am »
He's one of those guys that you want in your team.

When he comes on as a sub you never doubt him.

Seems to have the boxing equivalent of a glass jaw regarding injuries so I just hope he stays fit.

...and who wouldn't want the nickname the OX?
Quote from: Lee1-6Liv
Who would have thought liverblokes no draws idea would not be his worst idea of the weekend

Offline Asam

  • has a mankini
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 6,959
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3674 on: July 17, 2020, 11:45:15 am »


I don't know if his pass completion stats bear this out but my impression of him is he seems to be very wasteful in possession, decision making is still not where it needs to be, he could be a perfect player for us, perhaps he just needs to simplify his game more?

Offline na fir dearg

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,615
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3675 on: July 17, 2020, 12:13:25 pm »
Think people need to remember the injury he is coming back from.......

Offline deFacto please, you bastards

  • Apologies if I haven't responded to every post in every thread yet, I'm trying hard. farKnow.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 35,685
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3676 on: July 17, 2020, 12:18:41 pm »
Think people need to remember the injury he is coming back from.......

yes, he's lucky to be running let alone playing professional football.

Offline afc tukrish

  • How long for them sausages? Maggie May's Mythical Turkish Delight. RAWK's Expert Sausage Monster! Oakley Cannonier is fucking boss. Likes blowing his friends and undoing their nuts? Who nose?!
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 16,902
  • This looks like a nice spot...
    • Flat Back Four
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3677 on: July 17, 2020, 12:47:37 pm »
Well summed up. Have to say you are add great value to this forum and it's good to have sensible commentary from a rival fan.


Especially concerning the powerhouse Spurs side, always bringing the cheese, as it were...
Since haste quite Schorsch, but Liverpool are genuine fight pigs...

Offline ac

  • Headless chicken
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,469
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3678 on: July 17, 2020, 01:12:33 pm »
Story of his career at Arsenal, every time he looked like our best player, he gets wrecked with a horrible injury and takes a year to get back. I remember the first game of one season, running the show, knee ligaments went against villa, didnt come back till the new year and took months to peak again. The time he'd go to Bayern in cl and look incredible driving through their midfield, another injury ends season. One world cup when he looked like Englands best player in all the friendlies leading up to it, another injury, misses world cup and start of next season.
It seems like when hes at his physical peak, he feels indestructible and overdoes things, and hurts himself badly, then takes a long time to get his sharpness back. Someone you want to see succeed as he comes across as a really nice lad but might end up being remembered as unfulfilled potential.

Thanks for that perspective. Perhaps given the succession of injuries Ox, a bit like Ings needs a 2nd full season to get fully get back up to peak form. The counter argument to that comparison however is that Ings had the opportunity to play himself into form at Southampton whereas Ox won't be afforded that same luxury at Liverpool

Offline RedForeverTT

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 5,113
  • Did I hear you say you "No"?
Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3679 on: July 17, 2020, 03:51:22 pm »
Thanks for that perspective. Perhaps given the succession of injuries Ox, a bit like Ings needs a 2nd full season to get fully get back up to peak form. The counter argument to that comparison however is that Ings had the opportunity to play himself into form at Southampton whereas Ox won't be afforded that same luxury at Liverpool

He is given a lot more opportunities than say, Shaq. He has started our last 2-3 games did he not? But each time he just look a bit muddled.

I don't think we can blame him for lack of fitness but it was his decision making which is kind of suspect.