Topic: Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

[Reeves]

The way to show that you are not injury prone and durable is to play the full game week in week out. You only have three subs so if you include injuries 80% of your outfield players need to play the 90 minutes. Ox and Keita are nowhere that level.

That is why they are miles behind the likes of Gini, Hendo and Fabinho.

That’s very true. Now I love Naby. Really rate him and much higher than Ox. But I’d be mad not to recognize Naby is also regrettably injury prone. Not got the stats on that either but he just is.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

It’s really not, but as you’re infatuated with my opinions I can see why you’d bend it. If a player played eg 1 minute every game all season, whilst he played 38 games it’s not the same as a player who played 38x90 minutes. The fact is Ox can’t get in our first x1 and can’t reliably stay fit for playing 90 minutes all season or 90 minutes consistently at all or in fact consistently over a season for say a half. He’s injury prone. It’s unfortunate but anyone other than the most biased red will recognize that.

IF HE CAN'T GET INTO OUR XI  whilst healthy, that means that the isn't good enough. Not that he isn't fit enough. He's been reliable available for two of the 3 seasons. That's more than half, more than you have claimed. Which again, you're moving the goalposts.

But please continue.

[JC the Messiah]

The way to show that you are not injury prone and durable is to play the full game week in week out. You only have three subs so if you include injuries 80% of your outfield players need to play the 90 minutes. Ox and Keita are nowhere that level.

That is why they are miles behind the likes of Gini, Hendo and Fabinho.

Origi wasn't injured a lot, why didn't he play 90 minutes week in, week out?

[El Lobo]

It’s really not, but as you’re infatuated with my opinions I can see why you’d bend it. If a player played eg 1 minute every game all season, whilst he played 38 games it’s not the same as a player who played 38x90 minutes. The fact is Ox can’t get in our first x1 and can’t reliably stay fit for playing 90 minutes all season or 90 minutes consistently at all or in fact consistently over a season for say a half. He’s injury prone. It’s unfortunate but anyone other than the most biased red will recognize that.

Why would anyone be infatuated with your opinions? Unless they were comedy writers, in which case your could do them for plagiarism.

Ox reliably stayed fit last season, all season. He wasn’t struggling to get in the team because he was injured, or recovering from injury. It was because we have a clear first choice midfield which he isn’t a part of. As with his first season here. He doesn’t need to play 38 x 90 minutes because he’s a squad player. He also plays in a position that’s generally where people get subbed off, you surely can’t be so naive to just ignore that? He plays furthest forward in a midfield three. If we’re chasing a game and bringing on an attacking player, he’s most likely to get taken off. If we’re winning a game and want more control, he’s most likely to be taken off.

[Reeves]

IF HE CAN'T GET INTO OUR XI  whilst healthy, that means that the isn't good enough. Not that he isn't fit enough. He's been reliable available for two of the 3 seasons. That's more than half, more than you have claimed. Which again, you're moving the goalposts.

But please continue.

But it’s not two points is it. A player’s fitness is very much influential on whether he starts . Ox doesn’t start that much. He gets either taken off or brought on. In either case he can’t cope with 90 minutes and has more injuries than most. My simply point is he’s injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when he’s take off
to prevent his injuries or when he’s limited to the last 30-10 minutes to avoid injuries is hardly going to change my opinion is it. He’s not a 90 minute player. He’s injury prone. I really don’t think it’s that controversial. All my mates if other clubs agree and so do Arsenal fans. I suspect Ox does too

[Chig]

Unlucky for him. Get well soon OX.

[Eeyore]

Origi wasn't injured a lot, why didn't he play 90 minutes week in, week out?

Firstly Origi didn't come here as a player with a patchy injury record then unfortunately get a career threatening injury.

Secondly Origi isn't the 7th most expensive player we have ever bought.

Thirdly players tend to get injured playing Football. Ox tends to get injured without actually playing that many games.

I really like Ox and I really like Keita. I prefer our balance when either one of them plays but be serious here they both have durability issues.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

But it’s not two points is it. A player’s fitness is very much influential on whether he starts . Ox doesn’t start that much. He gets either taken off or brought on. In either case he can’t cope with 90 minutes and has more injuries than most

Again for the umpteenth time, there is no statistical analysis that shows why a player was taken off. Whether it's because he couldn't physically last for 90 minutes or because of the nature of the match and therefore influenced by a tactical reason.  It is quite clear that regaining fitness after said injury takes time, but saying that anytime he's taken off it's because of lack of fitness is pure conjuncture on your part.

My simply point is he’s injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when he’s take off

Except that isn't the case. He's again played over 40 games in 2 out of the 3 seasons. And since said statement you've been moving goal posts, as you clearly said that we must accept that he will only be available for half a season. He was available for all of his first season bar the last two months, and all of this past season.

the vast majority of which are either starts when he’s take off
to prevent his injuries or when he’s limited to the last 30-10 minutes to avoid injuries is hardly going to change my opinion is it.

Again conjuncture as to why he gets taken off. unless you're Jurgen Klopp himself.

He’s not a 90 minute player

Except when he does play 90 minutes.

All my mates if other clubs agree and so do Arsenal fans.

Well it must be true if all your mates say it? I mean I have plenty of mates who don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to football, so just because they may be saying something doesn't make it true.

Arsenal fans would be correct, as he was injury prone at ARSENAL as I already pointed out on numerous occasions in this thread.

WHAT I have specifically discussed is your point about him not being available for more than half the time HERE. I am not arsed about Arsenal.

I am talking about here. Specifically. he's been available more than half the time for 2 out of the 3 seasons, which would be the majority.

[El Lobo]

But it’s not two points is it. A player’s fitness is very much influential on whether he starts . Ox doesn’t start that much. He gets either taken off or brought on. In either case he can’t cope with 90 minutes and has more injuries than most. My simply point is he’s injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when he’s take off to prevent his injuries or when he’s limited to the last 30-10 minutes to avoid injuries is hardly going to change my opinion is it. He’s not a 90 minute player. He’s injury prone. I really don’t think it’s that controversial. All my mates if other clubs agree and so do Arsenal fans. I suspect Ox does too

Translated My simple point is he’s injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when he’s taken off to prevent injury or when he’s limited to the last 30 minutes to prevent injury is hardly going to change my opinion is it?

No Reeves, it’s not going to change your opinion. But that’s because you’ve already decided something is factual when you have literally no idea if it is or not, and actually a huge likelihood that it’s not. You’ve already got a pre conceived idea that every decision is made because he’s injury prone, that’s your issue in general. It’s like when you’ve slaughtered Minamino, it won’t matter if he plays well because you’ve already decided he’s crap. Or when you say Trent shouldn’t take free kicks because he’s shit at them. You dream up these ‘facts’ and then double down on them. The likely facts are actually that Ox was subbed off because of game management.

He wasn’t our most subbed player by the way

[Reeves]

Simple question for you. Do you think Ox is more or less injury prone than the average player?

[Reeves]

No Reeves, it’s not going to change your opinion. But that’s because you’ve already decided something is factual when you have literally no idea if it is or not, and actually a huge likelihood that it’s not. You’ve already got a pre conceived idea that every decision is made because he’s injury prone, that’s your issue in general. It’s like when you’ve slaughtered Minamino, it won’t matter if he plays well because you’ve already decided he’s crap. Or when you say Trent shouldn’t take free kicks because he’s shit at them. You dream up these ‘facts’ and then double down on them. The likely facts are actually that Ox was subbed off because of game management.

He wasn’t our most subbed player by the way

No need to make it personal please. I can cope with your infatuation of copying one of my opinions on every one of your posts  but to tie multiple opinions together to criticize me personally is a bit too far. Aside from that I have never slaughtered Mini. He seems ok. Some nice moments and some mediocre. He will improve however  I don’t think he fits in ours system at all though.

[El Lobo]

Our most subbed off player last season was Bobby by the way Reeves.

Do you think every time he was subbed off was because we were worried about injury?

[Reeves]

Our most subbed off player last season was Bobby by the way Reeves.

Do you think every time he was subbed off was because we were worried about injury?

No I don’t.

[Eeyore]

Our most subbed off player last season was Bobby by the way Reeves.

Do you think every time he was subbed off was because we were worried about injury?

Bobby played 3001 minutes. Ox played 1492.

[duvva 💅]

The way to show that you are not injury prone and durable is to play the full game week in week out. You only have three subs so if you include injuries 80% of your outfield players need to play the 90 minutes. Ox and Keita are nowhere that level.

That is why they are miles behind the likes of Gini, Hendo and Fabinho.

I disagree, he has shown he’s not injury prone by being available most of the time. He hasn’t played 90 minutes because either they are managing his minutes after a major injury or because he hasn’t performed as well as hoped for or because they decided to make a tactical change.

Does he need to improve when he plays, yes. But this injury prone thing is rubbish.

[El Lobo]

Bobby played 3001 minutes. Ox played 1492.

Thanks...?

[Eeyore]

I disagree, he has shown he’s not injury prone by being available most of the time. He hasn’t played 90 minutes because either they are managing his minutes after a major injury or because he hasn’t performed as well as hoped for or because they decided to make a tactical change.

Does he need to improve when he plays, yes. But this injury prone thing is rubbish.

He was clearly injury prone at Arsenal. 

To prove that he is not injury prone at Liverpool then he has to play a consistent number of minutes. If he doesn't do that then quite clearly doubts remain about his fitness.

[duvva 💅]

He was clearly injury prone at Arsenal. 

To prove that he is not injury prone at Liverpool then he has to play a consistent number of minutes. If he doesn't do that then quite clearly doubts remain about his fitness.

He was more injury prone at Arsenal. He has not been injury prone for us. To play more minutes for us he’s going to have more impact more often which is going to be difficult given the players he’s up against are all excellent.

[bornandbRED]

Missing 30%+ of playing time since joining is injury prone.

It’s a real unfortunate one because he looked immense before the big injury against Roma. Hope there can be a long term solution to the injury issues.

[newterp]

I’m on the side of injury prone, but also unlucky, on this senseless debate.

[Eeyore]

He was more injury prone at Arsenal. He has not been injury prone for us. To play more minutes for us he’s going to have more impact more often which is going to be difficult given the players he’s up against are all excellent.

I am a fan of Ox but pretending he hasn't had huge injury problems at Liverpool is frankly ludicrous.

It is hard to find a Liverpool fan who doesn't love Ox when he is in form and breaking the lines and smashing shots in like he did against City.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Oh for fucks sakes. You are capable of reading the English language. Nobody is pretending that he hasn't had a huge injury problem here, but thats because of one unfortunate injury, not multiple injuries throughout each season that he's been here ala Arsenal.

[duvva 💅]

I am a fan of Ox but pretending he hasn't had huge injury problems at Liverpool is frankly ludicrous.

It is hard to find a Liverpool fan who doesn't love Ox when he is in form and breaking the lines and smashing shots in like he did against City.

It’s not ludicrous it’s a fact. He had a big injury, aside from that he’s been available to play most of the time.

But I guess we’re all probably getting tired of the argument now and there are clearly some differing points of view on what constitutes injury prone.
This all stemmed from him being written off for this season by one or two and has perhaps escalated into something else.

Fingers crossed he gets fit soon and is able to show his best

[Motty]

Kinell you lot will literally argue with each other about anything on here [emoji23]

[duvva 💅]

Kinell you lot will literally argue with each other about anything on here [emoji23]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k

[Motty]

Like that but times 100 [emoji23]

[Reeves]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k

Classic - that’s v funny

[Clayton Bigsby]

I have a picture in my head of what I expect the Ox to be like, and its weird because I don't have that picture about anybody else in this team.

Let me try and explain. When I watch Ox I see a guy with the movement acceleration and shooting technique to be a goalscoring menace from midfield and whilst he doesn't do too badly in that regard I feel it could be so much more.

[Nick110581]

Really good footballer when he is on it.

Thought he struggled after lockdown to find rhythm and form but made a positive impact over the season.

Realistically, he will be out until October but hopefully come back ok.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Has there been any indication of what his injury is and when he's likely to be back?
Pretty much 2 months since the news of it broke.

[Legs]

Has there been any indication of what his injury is and when he's likely to be back?
Pretty much 2 months since the news of it broke.

Think its a knee injury

[Knight]

Could do with him back given injury problems. Think he'll thrive with Thiago behind him too. No one better in the world at finding players between the lines, and it's when Ox is given it between the lines that he can do real damage with his ball carrying and shooting skills.

[Zlen]

Honestly, I almost never think about him these days, nor consider his possible impact in evaluating where we'll end up in any competition.
He just kind of slipped into a peripheral role due to injuries.
Would be good to have him around for rotation, but that's about it.

[zadoktBeast]

I love Chambo (refuse to call him Ox), nothing is better than watching him pick up from a turnover, charge through midfield with the ball and shoot. But I kind of feel that ever since teams have just started packing their defensive third against us and letting us have the ball, it's given him no space to run into, just brick walls.

on a side note, is he still going out with the girl from Small Pox?

[Welshred]

I love Chambo (refuse to call him Ox)

So you refuse to call him one ridiculous nickname but you're more than happy to call him another ridiculous nickname?

[zadoktBeast]

So you refuse to call him one ridiculous nickname but you're more than happy to call him another ridiculous nickname?

Yeah pretty much lol 

[MD1990]

he was outstanding against Atletico.

[zadoktBeast]

he was outstanding against Atletico.

Yes you're right, he was MOTM there 100% even though it goes against my argument

[Mighty_Red]

While I think Ox is still a valuable member of the squad, it will be a struggle for him to become a regular starter unless he is able to make himself undroppable (when fit).

Obviously with Jota coming in, he will find one route to starting games blocked off to a certain extent. I think both him and Keita will start less games because of VVDs absence as we will go with more workmanlike midfields with Thiago being the creative hub.

[him_15]

With Fabinho possibly switching to the CB position regularly, there is a midfield slot open up for OX the grab and he should go for it.