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Champions League Qualification Rules
« on: November 27, 2008, 09:58:11 am »
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If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group
matches, the following criteria are applied to determine the rankings:

a) higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the
teams in question;

b) superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams
in question;

c) higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches
played among the teams in question;

d) superior goal difference from all group matches played;

e) higher number of goals scored;

f) higher number of coefficient points accumulated by the club in question,
as well as its association, over the previous five seasons (see paragraph
8.02)
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf

Whichever team out of LFC and AM gets the better result (ignoring goal difference) will be top.
If LFC and Atletico both draw - AM are top due to superior goal difference. (AM +5, LFC +4)

If LFC and AM both win or both lose - it goes to goal difference as a, b and c above will all be equal.

If the goal difference is equal (LFC win by a margin of one more goal than AM, or lose by a margin of one less), then it goes to goals scored - which given the current situation means whoever concedes the most and still ends up level on Goal Difference will be top.

If it is still equal (AM win 1-0, LFC win 2-0, or  2-1 and 3-1 etc) then LFC are top due to our stellar recent CL record.

I am posting this, because my crystal balls predict that it will be asked just a few times over the next couple of weeks and I like smugly pasting links to other topics.


EDIT - fixed my brain fade and added some quotes about the last 16 format from later in the topic.

Teams that finish top get drawn against teams that finish second. You can't play against the other team from your group or against another team from your country. In each tie, the side that finished top in their group plays the second leg at home.

Once it gets the QF's it's all seeding is gone and it's luck of the draw FA Cup style

« Last Edit: November 27, 2008, 12:41:23 pm by Southern Pansy »

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 10:20:08 am »
your on fire for such an early time of the day..
i bet u have had a coffee or 2 :D

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 10:26:03 am »
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2008, 11:01:25 am »
Is it true that we can't play an English team in the next round or has that gone now?

If it's true, finishing second might be better.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2008, 11:03:54 am »
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf

Whichever team out of LFC and AM gets the better result (ignoring goal difference) will be top.
If LFC and Atletico both draw - AM are top due to superior goal difference. (AM +5, LFC +4)

If LFC and AM both win or both lose - it goes to goal difference as a, b and c above will all be equal.

If the goal difference is equal (LFC win by a margin of one more goal than AM, or lose by a margin of one less), then it goes to goals scored - which given the current situation means whoever concedes the most and still ends up level on Goal Difference will be top.

If it is still equal (AM win 1-0, LFC win 2-0, or  2-1 and 3-1 etc) then LFC are top due to our stellar recent CL record.

I am posting this, because my crystal balls predict that it will be asked just a few times over the next couple of weeks and I like smugly pasting links to other topics.


EDIT - fixed my brain fade
if liverpool had won 2-0 last night we would be top with the better coefficiant

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2008, 11:05:20 am »
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf

Whichever team out of LFC and AM gets the better result (ignoring goal difference) will be top.
If LFC and Atletico both draw - AM are top due to superior goal difference. (AM +5, LFC +4)

If LFC and AM both win or both lose - it goes to goal difference as a, b and c above will all be equal.

If the goal difference is equal (LFC win by a margin of one more goal than AM, or lose by a margin of one less), then it goes to goals scored - which given the current situation means whoever concedes the most and still ends up level on Goal Difference will be top.

If it is still equal (AM win 1-0, LFC win 2-0, or  2-1 and 3-1 etc) then LFC are top due to our stellar recent CL record.

I am posting this, because my crystal balls predict that it will be asked just a few times over the next couple of weeks and I like smugly pasting links to other topics.


EDIT - fixed my brain fade

you are quite the smug know-it-all, but in a good way. and that's not just because of this thread, it's a general thing.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2008, 11:06:08 am »
Is it true that we can't play an English team in the next round or has that gone now?

If it's true, finishing second might be better.

I think it is still true. I'd rather meet Barcelona later in the season - hence winning the group is a good thing. They are in a purple patch at the moment. Other than that I don't mind who we get.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2008, 11:09:20 am »
you are quite the smug know-it-all, but in a good way. and that's not just because of this thread, it's a general thing.
You're right, it is a good thing.  RAWK has too many smug know-fuck-alls so at least we have someone to balance it out as bit.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008, 11:10:38 am »
The sad thing now is we might finish second and this group could and should have been won in madrid in thev first half there  but we now have to get a result in holland to get it but at least we are in the hat not like last season worrying about the possiblity of the uefa cup

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008, 11:11:47 am »
Is it true that we can't play an English team in the next round or has that gone now?

If it's true, finishing second might be better.
Looking at those tables, I don't see how finishing 2nd could possibly be better.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 11:12:27 am »
I think it is still true. I'd rather meet Barcelona later in the season - hence winning the group is a good thing. They are in a purple patch at the moment. Other than that I don't mind who we get.

A lot can happen between now and end of February mate so we'll take on whoever as far as I'm concerned.  Plus, Barca looked poor against Getafe at the weekend and every team has its off day.  And of course there's always the "underdog" factor that Benitez seems to thrive upon and get the most out of his players.  However, with Barca there's also the "revenge" factor to consider.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 11:16:58 am »
Is it true that we can't play an English team in the next round or has that gone now?

If it's true, finishing second might be better.

Can't see that mate, if the tables stay the same i'd defo wanna finish top to avoid the top sides.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 11:17:18 am »
What about away goals?

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 11:18:11 am »
What about away goals?
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 11:18:35 am »
Play our reserves/youth  in the last game, its a nothing game.  finish top or finish 2nd, we will be playing a quality team over two legs and we can win those or have the last 4 years not proved anything....top team will not want to play us.

and if we go out in the quarters....so be it, we concentrate on the league, while the rest have their squad stretched.....either way, works for me.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2008, 11:20:11 am »
What about away goals?

Only count between the teams level on points. As both LFC-Atletico games were 1-1, we both have 1 away goal apiece.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2008, 11:41:34 am »
The sad thing now is we might finish second and this group could and should have been won in madrid in thev first half there  but we now have to get a result in holland to get it but at least we are in the hat not like last season worrying about the possiblity of the uefa cup

To me with the overall quality of teams in the last 16 it means little.  We'll have to play the big guns sooner or later. 

Also we came 2nd in our group in 2004/5 and look what happened after that ;D We also didn't have an easy trip to the final (Leverkusen had been fantastic in their group that included Real Madrid and Juventus were also impressive; Chelsea we know about).  But fast-forward a year and we topped our group, unbeaten, but ended up losing to Benfica in the last 16.  We just need to make sure whoever we play in the knock-out stages we give it our best shot and as supporters get right behind the team in the Anfield leg.   Maybe having the 2nd leg at home would be the only benefit to finishing top of the group, though if we do enough in the first leg it may not matter where the 2nd leg is played...
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2008, 11:54:36 am »
I hope I'm not being a blot here, but can someone remind me how the knock out stages are decided in terms of who plays at home first etc... ::)
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2008, 12:02:08 pm »
I hope I'm not being a blot here, but can someone remind me how the knock out stages are decided in terms of who plays at home first etc... ::)
Teams that finish top get drawn against teams that finish second. You can't play against the other team from your group or against another team from your country. In each tie, the side that finished top in their group plays the second leg at home.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2008, 12:10:26 pm »
Teams that finish top get drawn against teams that finish second. You can't play against the other team from your group or against another team from your country. In each tie, the side that finished top in their group plays the second leg at home.

But after the first 'knock out' stage what happens then as to who plays second leg at home? We had Arse at home 2nd leg in QF last season, but then second leg away in SF at Chelsea...does it just rotate?
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2008, 12:15:24 pm »
This is all a bit academic, as Atletico winning at Marseille is far from a foregone conclusion. We struggled against them there, and if it wasn't for that ridiculous goal by Gerrard we'd have only got a draw.

We've got a much better chance getting 3 Points at PSV, than Atletico do at Marseille.

I think we'll finish at least 2 Points clear at the top.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2008, 12:19:42 pm »
But after the first 'knock out' stage what happens then as to who plays second leg at home? We had Arse at home 2nd leg in QF last season, but then second leg away in SF at Chelsea...does it just rotate?

Once it gets to the QF's all seeding is gone and it's luck of the draw FA Cup style.

Of the teams we can get in the next round Barca is the only one that would worry me they're playing awesome this season.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2008, 12:21:12 pm »
But after the first 'knock out' stage what happens then as to who plays second leg at home? We had Arse at home 2nd leg in QF last season, but then second leg away in SF at Chelsea...does it just rotate?

I think home/away is then down to who comes out of the bag first

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2008, 12:22:02 pm »
This is all a bit academic, as Atletico winning at Marseille is far from a foregone conclusion. We struggled against them there, and if it wasn't for that ridiculous goal by Gerrard we'd have only got a draw.

We've got a much better chance getting 3 Points at PSV, than Atletico do at Marseille.

I think we'll finish at least 2 Points clear at the top.

I agree, really can't see Atletico winning at Marseille and we'll probably trash PSV like usual.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2008, 12:46:48 pm »
In each tie, the side that finished top in their group plays the second leg at home.



If thats the case, finishing top is the thing to do. But theres tricky ties no matter which way you look at it. Group H, Juventus or Real Madrid? Obviously, we're more than capable of beating them, but for once I would like the Chelsea and the Mancs to get someone tricky rather than the usual shower they play who just bend over and let them walk over them.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2008, 01:07:59 pm »
an interesting point about this is that if the prem league applied the same rules then we would be top, not chelsea.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2008, 03:20:10 pm »
an interesting point about this is that if the prem league applied the same rules then we would be top, not chelsea.
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anyway when is the draw for the knockouts. End of December or is it not till january
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2008, 03:46:53 pm »
an interesting point about this is that if the prem league applied the same rules then we would be top, not chelsea.

Not really as these rules only apply on completion of the group/League  ;)

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2008, 03:53:28 pm »
ideally we need to go and beat PSV by 2 goals, if Atletico get a freaky score at OM then fair play

it can't be that difficult

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2008, 04:52:23 pm »
I think it is still true. I'd rather meet Barcelona later in the season - hence winning the group is a good thing. They are in a purple patch at the moment. Other than that I don't mind who we get.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2008, 04:55:19 pm »
1st / 2nd and UEFA or not for all 4 teams are dependant on the result of the other tie.

Good job we're kicking off at the same time. Scores at half time could effect all 4 teams second half performances too.
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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2008, 05:01:14 pm »
This is all a bit academic, as Atletico winning at Marseille is far from a foregone conclusion. We struggled against them there, and if it wasn't for that ridiculous goal by Gerrard we'd have only got a draw.

We've got a much better chance getting 3 Points at PSV, than Atletico do at Marseille.

I think we'll finish at least 2 Points clear at the top.

Marsellie will get something against Madrid, imo.

I'm confident that if we win in Eindhoven them we'll top the group.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2008, 05:08:10 pm »
I wanted us to finish 4th :(
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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2008, 05:10:36 pm »
I wanted us to finish 4th :(

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2008, 05:36:00 pm »
Is that Aero for Starfleet as your avatar?

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2008, 06:30:26 pm »
I don't see the fuss over finishing 1st or 2nd. We all know by now, Rafa thrives against the euro giants. Don't think we've got a reason to be scared of anyone in Europe.

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2008, 06:37:21 pm »
Would rather not play Barcelona yet, but if we manage to avoid them it would probably be better to finish 2nd looking at the teams.

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« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2008, 06:53:45 pm »
Would rather not play Barcelona yet,

It would be almost 3 months awy. A LOT can happen in the meantime.

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« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2008, 07:01:16 pm »
It makes no difference where we finish. We are in the last 16. That is what counts. The big Euro teams will be fighting to finish first if we come first, and they will sit back, maybe lose their last game if we come second. Either way, they will be aiming to lessen their chances of facing Liverpool. - Wouldn't you be ?

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Re: Champions League Qualification Rules
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2008, 07:11:26 pm »
Rafa gave a hint last night that finishing top of the group is not the be all and end all. He reminded us that we finished top of the group in '05-'06 and then lost twice to Benfica.

He will have his eye firmly on Dec 13th when we are at home to Hull C.  No easy games as we should know by now. Many CL teams suffer in their next game after a European away trip, so I would not expect our strongest team to start in Eindhoven.

Unless the PL is not a top priority  :)
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