Topic: Pros and cons of new stadiums vs redevelopment.

[Eeyore]

What's your point,you not happy about us staying in one of the most famous stadiums on the planet ?


As for the rest,who gives a shit about Arsenal and their boring bowl ?

Simply that there are pros and cons to redevelopment versus a new build.

[Timbo's Goals]

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Simply that there are pros and cons to redevelopment versus a new build.

No cons for me as articulated so beautifully in this recent thread with its paeans to our wondrous Anfield home

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=344765.msg17049412#msg17049412

[BaZ87]

Ah, I hadn't read up on their refinancing deal. Does that not seem like a bit of a millstone? £640m sitting their untouched?

Short answer, no it won't be an issue for them. The financing they've agreed covers them for between 15 and 30 years and £20m-30m per season for a football club turning over £400-500m isn't going to hold them back. Interest rates are incredilby low right now however and who knows what they'll be in 15+ years when Spurs have to start refinancing some of this debt but equally, who knows how much clubs will be turning over in 15 years time too.

[CraigDS]

If any mod can be arsed (and don't blame you if you can't) we we split this shite off somewhere (bin?) which doesn't distract from updates with regards to the Anny Rd?

[Eeyore]

So the only negatives you can think of for Anfield are the opportunity cost of not moving grounds forty years ago and making better bank?

I think the use of the word negatives instead of negative and the using 'not least' suggests otherwise.

[mickeydocs]

Who cares what direction Spurs and United are taking, the ARE will help redevelop Anfield even further.

Can we get back on track to discuss the Anfield Road Extension?
Can't wait fo this to happen, bit by bit FSG are building a dynasty.

[classycarra]

I think the use of the word negatives instead of negative and the using 'not least' suggests otherwise.

Yeah but you didn't cite more, you just said 'not least' which doesn't really shed any light. What other negatives were there?

[Matt S]

Fucking hell... keep checking thinking theres a new update and its more drivel. Who gives a shit about pros and cons of a decision thats already been taken?

[TepidT2O]

All bollocks in here.

[KillieRed]

I'm genuinely happy about the choice FSG made, the spiritual home of the club,  the retention of the atmosphere married to much improved facilities.  For those of you who haven't been to a match in the main stand, I very much recommend it. I experienced it as a tourist of course,  and apart from the very high standards , which I couldn't pay for every week, I must mention the staff. The sheer number of them was impressive,  but not so much as the personal care & attention they gave.

We've all seen the problems of new builds can have, from basic building standards to the difficulties of retaining atmosphere & creating an identity. I can only guess the smug clown from Atletico Madrid hasn't been to the new Anfield.

[meady1981]

I'm no architect. But personally, I think they should re-route Walton Breck Road through the stadium. Like they did in Japan. But that's just me.
 

[Samie]

Bring back this bad boy I tells ya!

[Uncle Ronnie]

I can't find the article unfortunately, but a few years ago an Arsenal director (who was unnamed) said that had they known how much TV & prize money were to increase they wouldn't have left Highbury.

[El Lobo]

So is this the real cake or the one for Homer to ruin? 

[Alan_X]

Bring back this bad boy I tells ya!

Please don't. It was a fucking awful design commissioned by a pair of shysters. An NFL stadium not a football ground.

[Alan_X]

Split and merged into a new thread.

[Lusty]

Please don't. It was a fucking awful design commissioned by a pair of shysters. An NFL stadium not a football ground.

Also 60k so lower than what we're going to get anyway, and there was no scope to upgrade from there as I recall.

[CraigDS]

Also 60k so lower than what we're going to get anyway, and there was no scope to upgrade from there as I recall.

Yeah had ability to go to 73k I believe as had this ridiculously small end.

[Alan_X]

Yeah had ability to go to 73k I believe as had this ridiculously small end.

That was the theory - we'd have been a laughing stock if that thing had been built.

[Son of Spion]

Bring back this bad boy I tells ya!

The best thing about that picture is it looks like Goodison has been demolished and replaced with green space. 

[meady1981]

I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen pictures of the inside.

[Uncle Ronnie]

I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen pictures of the inside.

Was mostly unicorns and leprechauns.

[Eeyore]

I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen pictures of the inside.

They had quality renders of the inside. Must of been where most of the £50m was spent.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

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No cons for me as articulated so beautifully in this recent thread with its paeans to our wondrous Anfield home

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=344765.msg17049412#msg17049412

Nor me,absolutely zero cons on staying but a never ending list for knocking her down and building a new soulless bowl.

Not even debatable imo.

[Alan_X]

They had quality renders of the inside. Must of been where most of the £50m was spent.

That is about as basic a model and render as you could get. The detail is minimal and I could reproduce that from scratch for a few grand. Bung a few textures on it, green pitch and blue sky, set it to render and job done.

I started a thread on everything that was wrong with it but fortunately H&G were fucked off before it was built.

And when did the Kop ever need a sunroof? Or open sides to let the noise out.

[ScottScott]

Spurs mate have the best stadium in the world on standards and facilities but we have the best stadium in the world for history and atmosphere and once this Anny Rd is done we'll be on a level capacity with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal who have spent hundreds of millions to reach this level but at what cost?

Should we have done it years ago? 100%. We should have followed United's lead when they were expanding Old Trafford but we were run by fools back then. We were run by cowboys after that and they fucked us over. Now we're run by arguably the best owners in football (in my opinion) and we are expanding this great stadium for a fraction of the cost of a new soulless bowl (Emirates definitely, Spurs ground and Everton's new ground are 3/4 bowls with a knock off Kop/Yellow Wall). 61,000 expanded Anfield, brand new state of the art training facilities to help the team and bring the youth teams closer to the first team (well vice versa) and we are still able to sign world class players when we need to and win the biggest trophies in football

Absolute no brainer and absolutely no cons of redeveloping Anfield

[Motty]

What the badgery fucking shit is everyone droning on about?

.

[Eeyore]

That is about as basic a model and render as you could get. The detail is minimal and I could reproduce that from scratch for a few grand. Bung a few textures on it, green pitch and blue sky, set it to render and job done.

I started a thread on everything that was wrong with it but fortunately H&G were fucked off before it was built.

And when did the Kop ever need a sunroof? Or open sides to let the noise out.

Probably the funniest bit is that the piss poor interiors were probably the highlight of the presentation. The exterior renders looked as if they were photoshoped straight from the set of Thunderbirds.

[Uncle Ronnie]

[rob1966]

Watched that Richards Hammonds Big programme this morning on the new Spurs Stadium. Very impressive engineering, the design to make to crowd sound louder, the way the roof was lifted, the NFL pitch under the Premier League pitch and the way it splits into 3 to be rolled out into the car park. Amazing place for 62,000 people to sit and watch shite football in.

[TepidT2O]

Or a total waste of money if they don’t get any more than 2 games a season.

[rob1966]

Or a total waste of money if they don’t get any more than 2 games a season.

I meant the premier league team 

Agree though, its an huge waste of time effort and money if they aren't going to get a Franchise and play a full NFL season.

[Keith Lard]

I meant the premier league team 

Agree though, its an huge waste of time effort and money if they aren't going to get a Franchise and play a full NFL season.

I just don’t understand why a club would go ahead and get all that work done to accommodate an NFL team without actually having a deal in the bag with an actual NFL team or other potential team / franchise (whatever the fuck they’re called) to use those facilities.

[Earl of Dingleberry]

Watched that Richards Hammonds Big programme this morning on the new Spurs Stadium. Very impressive engineering, the design to make to crowd sound louder, the way the roof was lifted, the NFL pitch under the Premier League pitch and the way it splits into 3 to be rolled out into the car park. Amazing place for 62,000 people to sit and watch shite football in.

Still looks like a toilet.

[Eeyore]

Still looks like a toilet.

You must have a really big arse.

[Macred]

Wenger was left in no doubt about makes the difference for Liverpool.

"If Liverpool have changed games in Europe, for a big part it's down to Anfield," he said to beIN Sport

It's the hardest place in Europe. It's the only place now you can take a corner and shake hands with supporters!

"You can say 'hello my brother, how are you?' and continue to play football. That's a real football field, you know.

"Today we build sophisticated stadiums but that is a stadium with soul, with pressure really on the opponent."

[rob1966]

Wenger was left in no doubt about makes the difference for Liverpool.

"If Liverpool have changed games in Europe, for a big part it's down to Anfield," he said to beIN Sport

It's the hardest place in Europe. It's the only place now you can take a corner and shake hands with supporters!

"You can say 'hello my brother, how are you?' and continue to play football. That's a real football field, you know.

"Today we build sophisticated stadiums but that is a stadium with soul, with pressure really on the opponent."

Used to sit in the 3rd row of the Kemlyn and you'd have banter with the players or trade insults, they hear every word that is said/shouted. It does affect players when whole rows are stood giving them dogs, or even daft things like someone grinning at them ad taking their time as they throw them the ball back.

The big bowls might be as impressive as anything but they lose the things that the home side needs.

[Fromola]

Used to sit in the 3rd row of the Kemlyn and you'd have banter with the players or trade insults, they hear every word that is said/shouted. It does affect players when whole rows are stood giving them dogs, or even daft things like someone grinning at them ad taking their time as they throw them the ball back.

The big bowls might be as impressive as anything but they lose the things that the home side needs.

Goodison is a tough ground to play at because they're arseholes and are right on top of you.  It can affect the ref and lino as well.

[meady1981]

Goodison is a tough ground to play at because they're arseholes and are right on top of you.  It can affect the ref and lino as well.

And their own players

[Alan_X]

And their own players

Booooo!!!!