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« Reply #64240 on: November 21, 2021, 03:41:55 pm »
What the hell is going on in Europe now? Are people really so stupid that they don't realise the restrictions are needed to save lives? It's seems absolutely senseless.
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« Reply #64241 on: November 21, 2021, 04:03:51 pm »
What the hell is going on in Europe now? Are people really so stupid that they don't realise the restrictions are needed to save lives? It's seems absolutely senseless.
Madness, isn't it.  :-\
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« Reply #64242 on: November 21, 2021, 04:17:03 pm »
40004 new cases and 61 deaths reported today.

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« Reply #64243 on: November 21, 2021, 04:29:46 pm »
Madness, isn't it.  :-\

I feel so sorry for my Dutch friend. She has just lost both parents quite close and so is now on her own, and she is so stressed about all this other stuff going on. I keep trying to reassure her, but she feels like she's in the middle of this mad house at the moment.  :(
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« Reply #64244 on: November 21, 2021, 04:45:08 pm »
What the hell is going on in Europe now? Are people really so stupid that they don't realise the restrictions are needed to save lives? It's seems absolutely senseless.

Anti-Vaxx mobs. 

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« Reply #64245 on: November 21, 2021, 06:24:31 pm »
I feel so sorry for my Dutch friend. She has just lost both parents quite close and so is now on her own, and she is so stressed about all this other stuff going on. I keep trying to reassure her, but she feels like she's in the middle of this mad house at the moment.  :(
The poor woman. That's a lot to deal with. I hope she'll be ok.

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« Reply #64246 on: November 21, 2021, 07:00:02 pm »
The poor woman. That's a lot to deal with. I hope she'll be ok.

Thanks, she is a toughie she's had to be.
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« Reply #64247 on: November 21, 2021, 09:26:44 pm »
me personally, i dont know what to think anymore.

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« Reply #64248 on: November 21, 2021, 09:34:48 pm »
me personally, i dont know what to think anymore.
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« Reply #64249 on: November 21, 2021, 09:36:48 pm »
me personally, i dont know what to think anymore.
I'll tell you what I think, I think the whole world has gone stark raving fucking bonkers. It's like I went to bed one night in March last year and am still asleep now having the most insane, never ending nightmare.
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« Reply #64250 on: November 21, 2021, 09:39:54 pm »
me personally, i dont know what to think anymore.
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« Reply #64251 on: November 21, 2021, 09:57:46 pm »
About?
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One thing I hate is how numbers are passed on to the public without the ability to compare. That isolates local effects, and maybe that's what people want. 40,000 new cases in England tell a story if you are in England and follow these numbers, but it does not put the entire picture in context. To me, the entire world-wide picture is more relevant. Why not give the number per million, so that one can compare country to country? Than it would be easier to see "hot spots", poor social policies, etc. And even the number of total cases per million means jack squat. It depends how testing is implemented. The most relevant number (IMHO) is deaths per 1M. Take Peru, for example. 91st in cases per 1M, 1st by far in deaths per 1M - 5,976. Then Bulgaria - 53rd in cases per million, 2nd in deaths per million with (3,953). Third in deaths per 1M is Bosnia (3,757), but it's only 73rd in cases per 1M. Etc, etc. Why would anyone even look at the cases per 1M unless testing is done the same way? The UK is 30th in deaths per 1M. It's not too dire in comparison to the world, or even Europe, but not too good when you consider only West European countries; only Italy posts worse numbers. And Sweden, whose policies were denounced by all West European countries, are ranked 55th in deaths per 1M with only a handful of European countries doing better. The US is 20th, ranking amongst the Eastern European countries and some South American ones. That's dire for an "advanced" economic power.


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« Reply #64252 on: November 21, 2021, 11:08:46 pm »
I agree mortality per million is the only comparable metric. But then you mention Sweden and it's been discussed to death here, but their population density is radically different.
I suspect their per capita income is much better too with more health service available.
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« Reply #64253 on: November 21, 2021, 11:18:34 pm »
Anti-Vaxx mobs.
It's funny how these clowns refuse to wear a mask when asked to in a pandemic, but are quite happy to mask up while throwing bricks at police.

We are talking about entitled, immature, selfish people who are stamping their feet and saying "we'll do what we want, not what you ask."

I'm convinced that you get these types to do something just by telling them they can't do it.

Tell them they can't have the vaccine and they'll be on the streets screaming to have it as their right.
Tell them not to wear masks and they'll wear one just to spite you. Ask them to wear a mask to help protect vulnerable others and they go apeshit, but they'll then be happy to mask up fully while they riot on the streets.
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« Reply #64254 on: November 21, 2021, 11:24:11 pm »
I agree mortality per million is the only comparable metric. But then you mention Sweden and it's been discussed to death here, but their population density is radically different.
I suspect their per capita income is much better too with more health service available.
The population density has a secondary effect. One can compare metropolis areas like NY and LA, and indeed there are differences with more uniformly spread population, but they are not the driving factor.

I'd argue that scaling with per capita income compares social systems, but does not offer insight on the actions taken to slow or stop the spread of Covid. Yeah, the US would probably be the shittiest country, if the oil-rich Arab states don't skew the picture. But that's a different topic.

Regarding best policies, my personal opinion is that there is no clear answer. What if countries for which "Covid does not exist" reach heard immunity soon while others keep prolonging that with control measures, and as a result have Covid "controlled" for a decade? The cumulative deaths per capita might sway one way or the other. And yes, I know that there is a debate whether or not heard immunity is attainable. Anyway, there are so many arguments and opinions based on so little data that no other science field would consider credible enough justification... If the answer was obvious, all countries will take the same actions.
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« Reply #64255 on: November 21, 2021, 11:43:14 pm »
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« Reply #64256 on: November 21, 2021, 11:57:01 pm »
The population density has a secondary effect. One can compare metropolis areas like NY and LA, and indeed there are differences with more uniformly spread population, but they are not the driving factor.

I'd argue that scaling with per capita income compares social systems, but does not offer insight on the actions taken to slow or stop the spread of Covid. Yeah, the US would probably be the shittiest country, if the oil-rich Arab states don't skew the picture. But that's a different topic.

Regarding best policies, my personal opinion is that there is no clear answer. What if countries for which "Covid does not exist" reach heard immunity soon while others keep prolonging that with control measures, and as a result have Covid "controlled" for a decade? The cumulative deaths per capita might sway one way or the other. And yes, I know that there is a debate whether or not heard immunity is attainable. Anyway, there are so many arguments and opinions based on so little data that no other science field would consider credible enough justification... If the answer was obvious, all countries will take the same actions.

At this stage very few countries are still trying to control Covid in the sense of aiming for suppression or "Zero Covid" its more a case now of bringing in controls when the situation with the health service threatens to become untenable, Covid will be an endemic disease for the forseeable future.

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« Reply #64257 on: November 22, 2021, 08:22:03 am »
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« Reply #64258 on: November 22, 2021, 08:38:16 am »
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« Reply #64259 on: November 22, 2021, 10:59:05 am »
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« Reply #64260 on: November 22, 2021, 11:03:02 am »
My lad's mum finally wore him down and he decided against getting the jab yesterday.

I've told him throughout that it's his decision whether he gets it or not (whilst obviously making him aware of the benefits and downside to not getting it), so he's just going to wait until he turns 16 to get it as her argument basically centres around myocarditis and the JCVI not recommending 12-15 year olds get jabbed  ::)
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« Reply #64261 on: November 22, 2021, 11:04:54 am »
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« Reply #64262 on: November 22, 2021, 12:04:57 pm »
From my quick scanning of the map at the bottom of this article it seems like the cases rates are almost reversed from where they were for most of the pandemic e.g. the large urban centres are showing lower case rates than the more rural areas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

If you zoom in to just show England then, in most cases, if the place is large enough to merit its place name being put onto the map then it's orange (200-399 cases per 100,000).  Everywhere else is red (400-999 cases per 100,000).  As someone living in the Midlands this is very apparent as Nottingham, Leicester, Derby and Birmingham cities were always amongst the worst affected - I think Leicester was under lockdown for over a year! - but now all faring better than their surrounding counties.

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« Reply #64263 on: November 22, 2021, 12:25:16 pm »
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« Reply #64264 on: November 22, 2021, 12:41:30 pm »
The population density has a secondary effect. One can compare metropolis areas like NY and LA, and indeed there are differences with more uniformly spread population, but they are not the driving factor.

I'd argue that scaling with per capita income compares social systems, but does not offer insight on the actions taken to slow or stop the spread of Covid. Yeah, the US would probably be the shittiest country, if the oil-rich Arab states don't skew the picture. But that's a different topic.

Regarding best policies, my personal opinion is that there is no clear answer. What if countries for which "Covid does not exist" reach heard immunity soon while others keep prolonging that with control measures, and as a result have Covid "controlled" for a decade? The cumulative deaths per capita might sway one way or the other. And yes, I know that there is a debate whether or not heard immunity is attainable. Anyway, there are so many arguments and opinions based on so little data that no other science field would consider credible enough justification... If the answer was obvious, all countries will take the same actions.
What it boils down to is that the countries that will emerge with better numbers when looking at mortality will be those that had the smallest proportion of their population exposed to the virus while it was still a novel virus for their immune systems. In particular the proportion of the over 65's that were exposed when naive to the virus and more so the proportion of over 80's.

Some countries took a bigger hit when this was novel for everyone and so had higher mortality initially. Others took a smaller hit in mortality initially, due to various mitigation actions. Of those, some have gone on to have high vaccination rates so the proportion that will be first exposed when the virus is novel to them will be low going forward. They should continue to have lower mortality. Some however have insufficient vaccination levels, they will see ongoing high mortality levels as immune systems are still naive to the virus.

The three key times for where countries end up numbers-wise with regard to mortality figures will be the 1) the time pre vaccine, particularly the Spring and Winter of 2020. The higher the proportion of older groups that got infected, the higher the mortality. 2) the vaccine rollout from January this year. The quicker it was rolled out the lower the mortality, but more importantly the higher the take-up in the older groups is the key. A significant number refusing it in these groups will lead to higher mortality, perhaps not in a spike like 2020 but more spread out over time. They'll get infected eventually. 3) the rollout of the third dose. Same applies to this as to the initial vaccination. Quicker rollout on 5-6 months will give lower mortality, higher take-up and coverage likewise. Due to the timing of the initial vaccination program this roll out with the 6 months hitting as we head into winter will play a huge part in determining where countries end up at the end of this. Countries that fail here will see mortality levels as high or higher as those who took the big hits in Spring 2020. And some of course who took a big hit in Spring 2020 will take another big hit now.

That's my take on it. Those three periods are crucial. Countries will have some differences due to types of vaccine used, general health of their population, access to the new treatments coming online, etc. But the big factors will be their response during those 3 time periods. The country that has their older groups see this virus for the first time while it's novel for them (or their protection has waned) will end up with the worst mortality - even if it's not recorded accurately in their official figures, it will have occurred.

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« Reply #64265 on: November 22, 2021, 02:28:59 pm »
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« Reply #64266 on: November 22, 2021, 04:29:58 pm »
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« Reply #64267 on: November 22, 2021, 04:47:59 pm »
Booster booked, which feels like good timing. COVID is ripping through my kid's school.

Same on I think counts here. Booster on 22nd Dec, reckon I’ll have caught it by then!

15 off in my daughter’s year with it. She has a bad cough but all tests including PCR have been negative. Kept her off today but all feels a bit of a matter of time.

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« Reply #64268 on: November 22, 2021, 04:55:15 pm »
Same on I think counts here. Booster on 22nd Dec, reckon I’ll have caught it by then!

15 off in my daughter’s year with it. She has a bad cough but all tests including PCR have been negative. Kept her off today but all feels a bit of a matter of time.

Similarly, eldest has a cough but has tested negative so far. Didn't take her to any weekend sports\activities and off today. Meant to go into the office on Wednesday but think I'll cancel that.

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« Reply #64269 on: November 22, 2021, 06:13:53 pm »
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« Reply #64270 on: November 22, 2021, 06:15:54 pm »
German Health Minister telling it like it is

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Germany's health minister has issued his starkest warning yet on the importance of getting vaccinated.

"By the end of this winter everyone in Germany will either be vaccinated, recovered or dead," Jens Spahn told a news conference in Berlin on Monday.

Germany is in the grip of a fourth wave of coronavirus. Cases are rising rapidly and many hospitals are full.

It has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Western Europe, with 68% of people fully vaccinated.

Germany's infection rate is at its highest since the pandemic began, and health experts have warned this wave could be the worst yet.

In the past 24 hours, there have been 30,643 new infections - 7,000 more than a week ago. This is among the highest rates in the world.

Tighter restrictions are to be brought in which will see the unvaccinated excluded from certain venues, and some Germany's famed Christmas markets have been cancelled.

Mr Spahn said he was against making Covid vaccines compulsory, but that it was a "moral obligation" to get the jab because it impacts on other people.

"Freedom means taking responsibility, and there is a duty to society to get vaccinated," he said.

The minister said the highly contagious Delta variant is driving the latest wave and that "anyone who is not vaccinated will, over the next few months, become infected and lack protection".

In the news conference on Monday, Mr Spahn also promoted the US-made Moderna shot, calling it the Rolls Royce of vaccines, as high demand for the German-produced Pfizer/BioNTech jabs risked depleting stocks.

He warned that some 16 million Moderna doses could expire in the next few months if they are not used.

The country expects the European Union to approve vaccines for children aged five to 11 by the end of the week.

Since the start of the pandemic, more than 99,000 people in Germany have died, and more than 5.4 million have been infected with Covid-19.
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« Reply #64271 on: November 22, 2021, 06:18:43 pm »
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« Reply #64272 on: November 22, 2021, 06:24:49 pm »
Had the booster on Sat, and other than a very slight sore arm yesterday I've felt fine. GF is 28 so doubt she's in line to get a booster anytime soon, but she caught it in Oct so will have some added protection I expect. Parents had the booster a few weeks ago, and both sisters have it booked this week, so thankfully those around me have had it leading up to Xmas.

Will go for the flu jab next week and just give myself some added protection from that I think too.

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« Reply #64273 on: November 22, 2021, 07:08:37 pm »
Got our boosters tomorrow afternoon, can't come soon enough seeing as almost no-one wears a mask now.

I was coming out of Hartshead Moor services on Saturday, following a lady talking on a mobile and wearing a mask and this maskless c*nt walking in coughs into his hand, and I heard her say to whoever was on the phone "he coughed right in my face, he coughed in my face".

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« Reply #64274 on: November 22, 2021, 07:09:26 pm »
For someone that overthinks a lot to my detriment I need to stick to that at times.

Likewise, and it’s now my signature
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« Reply #64275 on: November 22, 2021, 07:10:03 pm »
Booked my booster for December…. Good to get it in there
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« Reply #64276 on: November 22, 2021, 07:20:08 pm »
Booked my booster for December…. Good to get it in there

Was supposed to have mine today but pushed it back by a week when all those stories started about people getting tuned away if their appointment was before 181 days.
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« Reply #64277 on: November 22, 2021, 07:53:24 pm »
He just turned up, all guns blazing. It was never going to end well.

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« Reply #64278 on: November 22, 2021, 08:03:55 pm »
It's funny how these clowns refuse to wear a mask when asked to in a pandemic, but are quite happy to mask up while throwing bricks at police.

We are talking about entitled, immature, selfish people who are stamping their feet and saying "we'll do what we want, not what you ask."

I'm convinced that you get these types to do something just by telling them they can't do it.

Tell them they can't have the vaccine and they'll be on the streets screaming to have it as their right.
Tell them not to wear masks and they'll wear one just to spite you. Ask them to wear a mask to help protect vulnerable others and they go apeshit, but they'll then be happy to mask up fully while they riot on the streets.

Does my head in, mate.  One of my closest friends is into anti-vax, anti-mask bullshit.  She takes isolated reports about adverse reactions completely out of context and says she can't wear a mask because of her asthma - even though she wore one originally, and two other of my friends with asthma always mask up.  I reckon she just doesn't like being told what to do.

The arrogance of some of them too, outright mocking the rest of us as being good little sheep.  Society is a social fucking contract, and if you want to be a part of it sometimes you have to do what's asked of you. Too many people want to cherry pick these days.

These people are expecting society to get back to normal off the back of people taking action that they themselves refuse to take, and I can't call one of them out on it, because I know I'll get fucking torched, and I just cannot be arsed hanging myself out to dry like that. I don't need the grief.
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« Reply #64279 on: November 22, 2021, 08:05:21 pm »
The bloke is an utter fuckwit of the highest order, I have always despised Tories, Thatcher was the first one I remember and I used to think there couldn't possibly be anyone worse than her but this bloke takes my contempt to a new level.  Why anyone would even consider voting for this Clown and his ilk, let alone actually doing it is beyond me.

It really is a shame it survived it's encounter with CoVid

The way he's arsing around, he might face a second round, booster notwithstanding.
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