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« Reply #47840 on: January 17, 2021, 09:14:28 am »
Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

One of the last taboos in our society.

Death is part of the natural cycle of life.  We are obsessed with prolonging life for as long as possible, no matter what.
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« Reply #47841 on: January 17, 2021, 09:16:49 am »
I’d imagine that these people are in hospitals or care homes.  You want to try to stop the diesel spreading there above all places.
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« Reply #47842 on: January 17, 2021, 09:24:04 am »
my missus mate works in a doctors surgery on reception and they've  all been vaccinated




My mother in law is a retired doctors receptionist and was called for her vaccination as soon as the surgery received them . Not what you know but who you know as always. Tbf she is nearly 80.

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« Reply #47843 on: January 17, 2021, 09:24:27 am »
Just the 6 months too late. As usual.

They probably just realised we live on an island.

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« Reply #47844 on: January 17, 2021, 09:26:58 am »
They probably just realised we live on an island.

Shouldn't laugh but that was funny.

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« Reply #47845 on: January 17, 2021, 09:28:03 am »
So it will be back to the tier system in more than likely in March at some point.

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« Reply #47846 on: January 17, 2021, 09:29:35 am »
I don't think the side-effects are that bad that you wouldn't vaccinate someone because of them. They will also vaccinate them to not only protect other patients, but also the staff, and potentially visiting family members. Also having a lower chance of infection will keep someone out of the covid wards, and potentially in a lower- hazard environment, ie there is less ppe needed for their care.
If they are anything like the side effects I had on the trial, they are not pleasant. And I'd buy the protection theory if it didn't take 21-8 days to kick in and with no known proof it affects transmission.
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« Reply #47847 on: January 17, 2021, 09:34:40 am »

My mother in law is a retired doctors receptionist and was called for her vaccination as soon as the surgery received them . Not what you know but who you know as always. Tbf she is nearly 80.

As long as 99% are going to the right place based on guidelines, and no ones profiting I don’t think it’s a huge deal. There’s always going to be a bit of ‘leakage’, that’s just (human) nature.

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« Reply #47848 on: January 17, 2021, 09:39:38 am »
So it will be back to the tier system in more than likely in March at some point.

At some stage we will have to, just hope it’s done with caution in mind and lessons have been learned. The government has consistently been to slow to start measures and too fast to lift them so I really hope they have learned. An extra week of lockdown just to nail cases as low as they can could save us weeks of lockdown further down the line should another one be needed later.

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« Reply #47849 on: January 17, 2021, 09:44:57 am »
At some stage we will have to, just hope it’s done with caution in mind and lessons have been learned. The government has consistently been to slow to start measures and too fast to lift them so I really hope they have learned. An extra week of lockdown just to nail cases as low as they can could save us weeks of lockdown further down the line should another one be needed later.
I agree with this, I'd rather an extra two or three weeks even if that takes us up to the end of April/early May.  Try and finally get some sort of control over it.

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« Reply #47850 on: January 17, 2021, 10:00:18 am »
Makes me laugh how some stores are still saying that they wont ban people who dont wear a mask. They have the right to refuse service to anyone if they deem them to be a threat to their staff and others. The obsession with not losing a single persons custom is mindblowing.

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« Reply #47851 on: January 17, 2021, 10:11:58 am »
One of the last taboos in our society.

Death is part of the natural cycle of life.  We are obsessed with prolonging life for as long as possible, no matter what.

Speak to clinicians. They'll tell you your last sentence, particularly 'no matter what', is wrong.

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« Reply #47852 on: January 17, 2021, 10:15:44 am »
Speak to clinicians. They'll tell you your last sentence, particularly 'no matter what', is wrong.

I'm talking about a generalisation in society, not specifically the medical profession.

I have known people who want to die, due to their conditions, yet they have not been allowed to.  One eventually took an overdose.

I guess that's why some people travel to Switzerland.
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« Reply #47853 on: January 17, 2021, 10:52:22 am »
As long as 99% are going to the right place based on guidelines, and no ones profiting I don’t think it’s a huge deal. There’s always going to be a bit of ‘leakage’, that’s just (human) nature.

It’s not even leakage really as it seems that most places are getting around 10% extra from each vial of Pfizer vaccine and between 15 and 20% extra from each batch of the oxford AZ.

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« Reply #47854 on: January 17, 2021, 11:13:35 am »
I’d imagine that these people are in hospitals or care homes.  You want to try to stop the diesel spreading there above all places.
Also wouldn't it be nice for their families to be able to visit again without the fear of risking killing them.

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« Reply #47855 on: January 17, 2021, 11:24:25 am »
If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.
We probably have to be honest. I’d be surprised if we aren’t investigating some deaths also, along with the US and any other country that has begun vaccination.

That’s because it’s just a normal part of the post-approval process. It will be in each countries guidelines from their approval body that any death within a certain time window after vaccination must be investigated. Due to the demographic we are vaccinating, we will almost certainly be investigating at least a handful at the moment also. We just have to wait for the results of these investigations, but the fact deaths have occurred within the time frame and that they are being investigated as part of the vaccination programme are of no surprise at all really.

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« Reply #47856 on: January 17, 2021, 11:43:11 am »
Also wouldn't it be nice for their families to be able to visit again without the fear of risking killing them.
They wouldn't be able to, Debs. The vaccine takes 28 days approx to offer immunity - these guys were dying within days of administration.
“In Norway, we are now vaccinating the elderly and people in nursing homes with serious underlying diseases, therefore it is expected that deaths close to the time vaccination may occur,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said.
“All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed.

If I were in that situation, I'd want palliative care, nothing that gave me side effects that added to my symptoms (fever/diarrhoea etc as discussed in the article), and my family to visit me, in PPE if best for them. Don't think I'd be the only one.

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« Reply #47857 on: January 17, 2021, 11:52:14 am »
I’d imagine that these people are in hospitals or care homes.  You want to try to stop the diesel spreading there above all places.
Yep! Perhaps the the answer is to step up petrols in hospitals and care homes.
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« Reply #47858 on: January 17, 2021, 11:53:48 am »
They wouldn't be able to, Debs. The vaccine takes 28 days approx to offer immunity - these guys were dying within days of administration.
“In Norway, we are now vaccinating the elderly and people in nursing homes with serious underlying diseases, therefore it is expected that deaths close to the time vaccination may occur,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said.
“All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed.

If I were in that situation, I'd want palliative care, nothing that gave me side effects that added to my symptoms (fever/diarrhoea etc as discussed in the article), and my family to visit me, in PPE if best for them. Don't think I'd be the only one.
But they didn't know they wouldn't survive when they were given the jab, or why do it?

What I mean is can they really pick and choose who should or shouldn't be given that chance of seeing loved ones again?

It's got to be all of them or none of them surely?

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« Reply #47859 on: January 17, 2021, 12:00:01 pm »
Yep! Perhaps the the answer is to step up petrols in hospitals and care homes.
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« Reply #47860 on: January 17, 2021, 12:25:15 pm »
Yep! Perhaps the the answer is to step up petrols in hospitals and care homes.

Well I guess setting everything on fire is one way of stopping the virus from spreading, bit extreme mind!

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« Reply #47861 on: January 17, 2021, 12:52:19 pm »
Well I guess setting everything on fire is one way of stopping the virus from spreading, bit extreme mind!

That's a bit crude!

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« Reply #47862 on: January 17, 2021, 12:56:01 pm »
Yep! Perhaps the the answer is to step up petrols in hospitals and care homes.

Do they check your BP while your there?

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« Reply #47863 on: January 17, 2021, 01:17:23 pm »
Do they check your BP while your there?
In the past they would have. But Tory Government cuts mean that they are only a Shell of what they once were.
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« Reply #47864 on: January 17, 2021, 01:31:54 pm »
Don't stress over it Jiminy, there are a few who know you are very Essoterical

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« Reply #47865 on: January 17, 2021, 01:33:25 pm »
These puns are starting to get Total-ly stretched right now

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« Reply #47866 on: January 17, 2021, 01:33:59 pm »
In the past they would have. But Tory Government cuts mean that they are only a Shell of what they once were.

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« Reply #47867 on: January 17, 2021, 01:45:54 pm »
These puns are starting to get Total-ly stretched right now

They certainly need a bit of refining.

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« Reply #47868 on: January 17, 2021, 01:58:40 pm »
Both my sisters have been vaccinated last week (work in the nhs). 

My little sister works in covid icu and hasn’t had it... god knows how
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« Reply #47869 on: January 17, 2021, 02:00:10 pm »
These puns are starting to get Total-ly stretched right now
Not my fault. I made one little 'petrol' pun and all this happens. I hope some one will exxonerate me.
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« Reply #47870 on: January 17, 2021, 02:01:27 pm »
Both my sisters have been vaccinated last week (work in the nhs). 

My little sister works in covid icu and hasn’t had it... god knows how
You seem to have gone off-topic, Tepid. :)

I hope your sister is OK and managing to cope with it all.
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« Reply #47871 on: January 17, 2021, 02:59:36 pm »
Both my sisters have been vaccinated last week (work in the nhs). 

My little sister works in covid icu and hasn’t had it... god knows how

I guess different NHS trusts, are vaccinating differently, depending on availability? Well that's my only assumption, as they're already vaccinating over 75s where I live. First line Covid workers were one of the first to be vaccinated weeks ago.

A poster a few days ago said his nan, who is over 90 has just caught Covid and she was due to have her vaccine next week. I wouldve thought over 90s would have been done earlier

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« Reply #47872 on: January 17, 2021, 03:12:09 pm »
Head of NHS England said they have done 1.5 million doses in the last week, and the the other home nations have done just under 500k between them so they are not far off the 2 million a week that was the previous target which is a positive, and the trajectory is probably still upwards in terms of doses a day they could soon be well comfortably north of 2 million a day.

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« Reply #47873 on: January 17, 2021, 03:14:21 pm »
Head of NHS England said they have done 1.5 million doses in the last week, and the the other home nations have done just under 500k between them so they are not far off the 2 million a week that was the previous target which is a positive, and the trajectory is probably still upwards in terms of doses a day they could soon be well comfortably north of 2 million a day.

10 more mass vaccination sites open up on Monday, which should help push the numbers up again.

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« Reply #47874 on: January 17, 2021, 03:21:10 pm »
10 more mass vaccination sites open up on Monday, which should help push the numbers up again.

A lot of the smaller places haven’t started yet either, I went to my GP yesterday for the flu jab and they said they are starting this week at the local medical centre so sounds like there’s a lot more to come. Fingers crossed.

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« Reply #47875 on: January 17, 2021, 03:45:43 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/16/low-paid-shun-covid-tests-cost-of-self-isolating-too-high

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« Reply #47876 on: January 17, 2021, 03:52:01 pm »
A new preprint seems to suggest that the "UK" variant is not associated with a higher viral load. I think this has surprised some experts as it was understood that higher viral load was the major reason for increased transmission of this variant. Also, some wondering if it's less transmissible than generally thought as well. Interesting either way.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249721v1

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« Reply #47877 on: January 17, 2021, 03:58:04 pm »
Do people expect serious illness and deaths to start dropping in 4-6 week's time then if the vaccine programme continues to roll out successfully? Should we see a dramatic drop in hospital admissions?
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« Reply #47878 on: January 17, 2021, 04:08:21 pm »
Its a  weekend so death numbers are pretty meaningles but case numbers continue to trend well (we don't tend to seee big weekend impacts until tomorrow in those numbers)





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« Reply #47879 on: January 17, 2021, 04:10:46 pm »
38,598 cases
671 deaths

Cases 22.5% down on the seven day average, 14000 down on the previous Sunday.