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« Reply #47800 on: January 16, 2021, 06:12:42 pm »
My daughters friend who is 18 and works one day a week in the local chemist has had the job when there are loads of elderly and vulnerable waiting for one. Are chemist staff classed as front line now? Don't think it was a had some left over scenario.

I don’t see too much of an issue with this if she’s coming into contact with potentially sick people, or people coming in to be vaccinated.

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« Reply #47801 on: January 16, 2021, 06:15:49 pm »
Opening a new vaccine 'super' factory later this year:
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Britain will be able to vaccinate the entire nation against dangerous new Covid strains within four months after a £158m super-factory opens later this year, The Telegraph can disclose.

Dr Matthew Duchars, chief executive of the Vaccines Manufacturing Innovation Centre (VMIC), revealed the Oxfordshire facility will be capable of producing 70m doses of an emergency vaccine manufactured entirely on British soil.

The news comes amid fears that a new Covid strain from Brazil may prove resistant to current vaccines. All travel corridors into the UK were scrapped this week to prevent new variants entering the country.

“We’ll be able to make 70 million doses within a four to five month period, enough for everyone in the country, when we open late this year,” Dr Duchars told The Telegraph.

“New Covid variants are absolutely part of the thinking. We probably will need to make seasonal vaccine variants because there may well be mutations in the virus, as well as vaccines for other diseases. You never know what’s coming next.”

Currently under construction at the Harwell Science & Innovation Campus in Oxfordshire, the VMIC was first conceived in 2018 and originally planned to open in 2022. When the Covid pandemic struck, the UK government pumped a further £131 million into the not-for-profit company to bring the project forward by a year.

The centre is already helping to manufacture the Oxford vaccine by lending expertise and giant bioreactors to the AstraZeneca team and its partners.

This week Sir Mene Pangalos, executive vice president of biopharmaceuticals research and development at AstraZeneca, told MPs that the UK’s lack of manufacturing capacity had been a major stumbling block in the development of the Oxford vaccine, and urged ministers to “urgently address” the issue.

Much of the Pfizer and Oxford vaccine doses currently being rolled out in the UK are made in factories in Belgium and the Netherlands.

Dr Duchars said the VMIC would be equipped to produce different types of vaccines including MRNA varieties like the Pfizer jab and adenovirus-based technology like the Oxford AstraZeneca jab.

“Covid came a year early for us, unfortunately,” he said.

“But when we open we’ll have a sovereign capability to manufacture different types of vaccines and still be able to make a large number of doses.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/16/britain-will-able-vaccinate-nation-against-new-covid-strains/

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« Reply #47802 on: January 16, 2021, 06:18:19 pm »
Fuck me some government forward planning - I need a lie down.

I don’t think it was a Govt. idea, although they have helped fund it.

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« Reply #47803 on: January 16, 2021, 06:18:36 pm »
My daughters friend who is 18 and works one day a week in the local chemist has had the job when there are loads of elderly and vulnerable waiting for one. Are chemist staff classed as front line now? Don't think it was a had some left over scenario.

I don’t think that’s too unreasonable - there’s perks in a lot of jobs I guess and this the perks of working in a pharmacy. What does worry me slightly with it so easy for a pharmacist or doctors to decide who gets it that they don’t give in to temptation and start trying to charge people for it.
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« Reply #47804 on: January 16, 2021, 06:25:46 pm »
I don’t see too much of an issue with this if she’s coming into contact with potentially sick people, or people coming in to be vaccinated.
Don't think there is any plans to  vaccinate people in the chemist as far as i know, only thing it could be is coming into contact with sick people but surely those that have any symptoms are staying away from chemist's? If so it's no different to working in any shop really.

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« Reply #47805 on: January 16, 2021, 06:27:21 pm »
I don’t think that’s too unreasonable - there’s perks in a lot of jobs I guess and this the perks of working in a pharmacy. What does worry me slightly with it so easy for a pharmacist or doctors to decide who gets it that they don’t give in to temptation and start trying to charge people for it.
I was thinking this the other day, too good a money maker for somebody not to end up doing that I reckon.

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« Reply #47806 on: January 16, 2021, 06:40:13 pm »
I see - that makes sense (I assumed you could put unused vials back in the fridge - at least for the AZ one)
Technically you probably can put it back in the fridge and it would be fine (Oxford anyway), but the MHRA were never going to allow it.

They would fear that dipping a syringe needle into a vial multiple times has the risk of introducing some bacteria to the vial. Leaving it overnight in those cases would give the bacteria enough time to multiply before you then inject it into someone’s arm. Hence the 6 hour window once a vial has first had a needle stuck into it - for both Pfizer and Oxford vaccines.

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« Reply #47807 on: January 16, 2021, 06:50:33 pm »
I don’t think it was a Govt. idea, although they have helped fund it.

Yeah your right, I only read the first half of the article.
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« Reply #47808 on: January 16, 2021, 06:55:20 pm »
I was thinking this the other day, too good a money maker for somebody not to end up doing that I reckon.

There was a story I read a few days ago of a company offering £5000 for the bits of left over vaccine in the vials.
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« Reply #47809 on: January 16, 2021, 07:16:29 pm »
Public Health England on their findings so far about how long immunity lasts for.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/past-covid-19-infection-provides-some-immunity-but-people-may-still-carry-and-transmit-virus

Brass tacks of it is, so far as is known up to now, the vast majority of us won't catch it again within at least 5 months of first having it. But. There's also some evidence to suggest that there are some who'll be able to continue to pass it around even while not being sick themselves and having had it themselves before.

Paper is out now:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249642v1

Interesting one here just out from Qatar too. Followed over 43k people who had a positive test for up to 35 weeks. They confirmed 129 reinfections and estimated the reinfection rate at 0.1%

Their conclusions: “ Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.21249731v1
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« Reply #47810 on: January 16, 2021, 07:16:42 pm »
Don't think there is any plans to  vaccinate people in the chemist as far as i know, only thing it could be is coming into contact with sick people but surely those that have any symptoms are staying away from chemist's? If so it's no different to working in any shop really.

She’ll have the most vulnerable coming to be vaccinated there (if I’m reading it right), so it makes sense for her to be vaccinated to minimise the risk of her giving it to those vulnerable people.

I highly doubt people working in other shops are coming into contact, as regularly, with so many of the most vulnerable.

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« Reply #47811 on: January 16, 2021, 07:26:16 pm »
There was a story I read a few days ago of a company offering £5000 for the bits of left over vaccine in the vials.

Yeah, it was a property investment company offering to buy any left over doses - they said it was for their employees, but I think only the top guys would be getting it for 5k a time.

It wouldnt surprise me if it turned out there were a few unscrupulous individuals who were willing to make a bit of extra cash.

That company's "mistake" was they just apparently sent out mass mails making it absolutely clear what they were up to, so it only took one honest person to rat them out.

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« Reply #47812 on: January 16, 2021, 07:47:18 pm »
Don't forget the microchips
And the 'microparticles'...and the unborn baby fetus cells...

Can everyone hurry up and get vaccinated and be healthy so that people that say this shit get publically named and shamed?

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« Reply #47813 on: January 16, 2021, 07:50:48 pm »
Yeah, it was a property investment company offering to buy any left over doses - they said it was for their employees, but I think only the top guys would be getting it for 5k a time.

It wouldnt surprise me if it turned out there were a few unscrupulous individuals who were willing to make a bit of extra cash.

That company's "mistake" was they just apparently sent out mass mails making it absolutely clear what they were up to, so it only took one honest person to rat them out.

Oh, I assumed it was a private medical company or something like that, didn’t realised it was a bloody property investment company.
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« Reply #47814 on: January 16, 2021, 08:08:35 pm »
She’ll have the most vulnerable coming to be vaccinated there (if I’m reading it right), so it makes sense for her to be vaccinated to minimise the risk of her giving it to those vulnerable people.

I highly doubt people working in other shops are coming into contact, as regularly, with so many of the most vulnerable.
Definitely makes sense if they do end up doing vaccinations in there 100%, I just assume they will be only do that in the Doctors a few hundred yards away only.  Be great if it gets done in 2 locations in most towns villages though, the numbers will soon rack up then.

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« Reply #47815 on: January 16, 2021, 08:10:35 pm »
And the 'microparticles'...and the unborn baby fetus cells...

Can everyone hurry up and get vaccinated and be healthy so that people that say this shit get publically named and shamed?
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« Reply #47818 on: January 16, 2021, 10:29:50 pm »

Any idea how many people we need to vaccinate before we get good info on the impact on transmission?
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« Reply #47819 on: January 16, 2021, 10:39:06 pm »
and your point is?
No worries. If it is shown later (as it probably will be) that there is no connection between the vaccinations and deaths, I am certain that gemofabird will be back to post a retraction and apology. I see it all the time on social media by people like Ivor Cummins. They are deeply self-reflective types.
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« Reply #47820 on: January 16, 2021, 10:46:05 pm »
Well, my dad doesn't look or feel that great after his vaccine yesterday. He's 96 in 3 months. I would be more worried if he was OK today to be honest.

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« Reply #47821 on: January 16, 2021, 10:46:39 pm »
If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.
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« Reply #47822 on: January 16, 2021, 10:55:13 pm »
If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.

As with reports that came out during the vaccine clinical trials, of trials being paused to investigate someone being taken ill, it's vital people keep calm and recognise that this is a routine process to collect data.

No assumptions should be made based on this Norway signal. Indeed the Medical lead investigating this in Norway cautioned people not to worry or over extrapolate: "We are not alarmed or worried about this, because these are very rare occurrences"

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« Reply #47824 on: January 16, 2021, 11:30:10 pm »
If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.

People died after the vaccine and they're looking into whether it may have contributed.
 It doesn't state how long after but does mention they were very old and frail. It could be from minor side effects or even natural causes. Maybe they're just being uber cautious which is fine.
It makes for a sensational headline but when you flesh it out it's  not  that concerning.

And as you point out no-one else is reporting a problem so I suspect natural causes.

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« Reply #47825 on: January 17, 2021, 12:57:24 am »
Paper is out now:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249642v1

Interesting one here just out from Qatar too. Followed over 43k people who had a positive test for up to 35 weeks. They confirmed 129 reinfections and estimated the reinfection rate at 0.1%

Their conclusions: “ Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.21249731v1


Ta dj. The discussion part of the paper is interesting context to the caution over reinfection. Seems optimistic about the question around vaccination also preventing transmission if it holds up as they seem to be thinking it will do.
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« Reply #47826 on: January 17, 2021, 01:42:05 am »
Ta dj. The discussion part of the paper is interesting context to the caution over reinfection. Seems optimistic about the question around vaccination also preventing transmission if it holds up as they seem to be thinking it will do.

Yea was interesting to see that they plan to follow this cohort of people to determine the effect of vaccines. Wonder how they’ll do that going forward, you’d assume all are at the top of the list for priority vaccination. I wonder if some will not take the vaccine, I can’t see how they can do it otherwise. Unless they plan to see if vaccination prevents the small amount of reinfections they’ve seen from happening over the next period of time. I guess that’s a possibility.

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« Reply #47827 on: January 17, 2021, 02:40:10 am »
Yea was interesting to see that they plan to follow this cohort of people to determine the effect of vaccines. Wonder how they’ll do that going forward, you’d assume all are at the top of the list for priority vaccination. I wonder if some will not take the vaccine, I can’t see how they can do it otherwise. Unless they plan to see if vaccination prevents the small amount of reinfections they’ve seen from happening over the next period of time. I guess that’s a possibility.

You’d imagine they need to give half a vaccine and half a placebo.

I’d say they’d need to get them to agree to it, but its Qatar and I’d assume they’ll have fuck all problem with that...!

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« Reply #47828 on: January 17, 2021, 02:47:53 am »
I was about to make exactly the same point.

I had to come back on the train yesterday and was surprised by there being people on the train with no face masks on them, even though its compulsory on Mersey Rail supposedly.
I once got told off for having my foot on the frame of the seat on one of their trains by an inspector, I didn't do it again, surely they have these people on the trains still if not why not?
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« Reply #47829 on: January 17, 2021, 02:56:49 am »
I once got told off for having my foot on the frame of the seat on one of their trains by an inspector, I didn't do it again, surely they have these people on the trains still if not why not?

I bet you’re a mask wearer though, yeah?

As am I, and I’ve also been done on a train for my feet on the frame of a seat. I moved my foot instantly.

A mask non-wearer isn’t a compliant person though. They are the sort if they’re questioned for their foot on the seat they argue, and will keep on arguing. They’re obnoxious pricks.

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« Reply #47830 on: January 17, 2021, 02:57:44 am »
My daughters friend who is 18 and works one day a week in the local chemist has had the job when there are loads of elderly and vulnerable waiting for one. Are chemist staff classed as front line now? Don't think it was a had some left over scenario.
my missus mate works in a doctors surgery on reception and they've  all been vaccinated
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« Reply #47831 on: January 17, 2021, 03:03:26 am »
I bet you’re a mask wearer though, yeah?

As am I, and I’ve also been done on a train for my feet on the frame of a seat. I moved my foot instantly.

A mask non-wearer isn’t a compliant person though. They are the sort if they’re questioned for their foot on the seat they argue, and will keep on arguing. They’re obnoxious pricks.
yep always wear a mask, started wearing it before they made it mandatory, I don't see what the issue with wearing one is unless as you say you are an obnoxious prick!
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« Reply #47832 on: January 17, 2021, 03:45:43 am »
yep always wear a mask, started wearing it before they made it mandatory, I don't see what the issue with wearing one is unless as you say you are an obnoxious prick!

I've worked out I'm 60% more handsome when I'm wearing my mask.  ;D

In all honesty I've always struggled to work out should I be looking at someone's mouth or they eyes when they are speaking. This whole masking wearing caper has sorted me out.
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« Reply #47833 on: January 17, 2021, 08:18:01 am »
If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.

What I can think of is Norway's low general death rate which means more vulnerable people who passed away in other countries towards the end of the year made it past 2020 than elsewhere.

I dived deep into the official government statistics for total deaths in the Norwegian language yesterday evening and what I found was that Norway had about 40 k deaths in total in every year between 2017-2020. Therefore, statistically, the number of people in Norwegian care homes who can't deal with any treatment should be higher than elsewhere. This of course assuming there is a correlation between the vaccination and what happened to them, but it is very important to stress that this hasn't been confirmed yet.

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« Reply #47834 on: January 17, 2021, 08:21:00 am »
People died after the vaccine and they're looking into whether it may have contributed.
 It doesn't state how long after but does mention they were very old and frail. It could be from minor side effects or even natural causes. Maybe they're just being uber cautious which is fine.
It makes for a sensational headline but when you flesh it out it's  not  that concerning.

And as you point out no-one else is reporting a problem so I suspect natural causes.

Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

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« Reply #47835 on: January 17, 2021, 08:21:41 am »
The Times reporting the government want to go down an Australian approach of forcing anyone coming into the country to stay in quarantine in a hotel to stop new variants getting in to the country while using the vaccination programme to get the numbers down within the population. Sounds sensible, but the aviation and travel industries will inevitably kick off.
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« Reply #47836 on: January 17, 2021, 08:23:49 am »
Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

Assume they are administering to end of life patients to try and protect others in the care home, hospital etc a very local herd immunity?
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« Reply #47837 on: January 17, 2021, 08:53:19 am »
Any idea how many people we need to vaccinate before we get good info on the impact on transmission?

To get data about the likelihood of transmission, you'll have to have a working track and trace. You don't only need data about the vaccinated person, but also about all their contacts. And you also need to have a low transmission ratenin the first place, otherwise there are too many possibilities of transmissive contacts.

The other approach would possibly be the 'big picture' ('big data') approach, where you compare r-rates between a group of mostly vaccinated people and mostly un-vaccinated people. But with all the different levels of social restrictions in place, I'm not sure if they could find two comperable groups. And also, the rate of transmission in the vaccinated group would likely be very small, so it would take a long time to get that data.

What they have done in the recent studies is tested if someone who has been vaccinated can still carry enough virus particles in their upper airways to be infectious (while not getting ill themselves), and they a found a few people that had that. However I think here is where the general amount of cases comes into it - if there are less infectious people, the virus load is lower, and less people will carry it around with them, which means less infectious people, and so on...
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« Reply #47838 on: January 17, 2021, 08:56:51 am »
The Times reporting the government want to go down an Australian approach of forcing anyone coming into the country to stay in quarantine in a hotel to stop new variants getting in to the country while using the vaccination programme to get the numbers down within the population. Sounds sensible, but the aviation and travel industries will inevitably kick off.

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Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

I don't think the side-effects are that bad that you wouldn't vaccinate someone because of them. They will also vaccinate them to not only protect other patients, but also the staff, and potentially visiting family members. Also having a lower chance of infection will keep someone out of the covid wards, and potentially in a lower- hazard environment, ie there is less ppe needed for their care.
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