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Tory Christmas Party

Nothing like a good old knees up!
They should apologise and come clean
Johnson should resign
The front bench should resign
The entire party should resign
The entire party should be put in an Elon Musk rocket and fired off to jupiter with 2 packets of hula hoops and a pot noodle
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Pledged to provide 1 billion covid vaccines worldwide yesterday

Good, so something practical. I had no idea what exactly goes on in these things as you imagine things of desperate importance i.e. foreign policy cannot wait.
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Just worth flagging that poll is a subset of a wider poll, so a pretty small sample size and likely a pretty large margin of error.

I think fair to say the trend is there in terms of migration of Labour support to the Greens but hard to say how large/significant it is.
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I'd pick up on what filo says - Stats for Lefties is being thoroughly dishonest, again, not making it clear that this an unrepresentative sample of less than 200 18 to 24 year olds from what was a representative sample of GB adults.

edit: this is from Survation's Chris Curtis if you want to get a sense of how dishonest putting that up like that is,

"Average voting intention of 18-24s from most recent @YouGov @RedfieldWilton @SavantaComRes polls:

Con 23
Lab 48
LD 8
Grn 15

Average voting intention of 18-34s from most recent @OpiniumResearch @Survation @IpsosMORI polls:

Con 24
Lab 48
LD 9
Grn 11"



To what you're saying, there's evidence for some movement from Labour to Greens since the general election but that's pretty normal. Whether it's an outsized number to reasonable comparisons will probably be clearer over the next few months and the locals can be picked over. Another big part of it is that the Greens are challenging the Lib Dems for the third party space in parts of the country. Whether that holds up outside of specific wards and across entire constituencies seems a harder question, especially given the success the Greens are having in replacing the Lib Dems at very localised messaging.
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I can see Biden doing the decent thing here regarding the Harry Dunn case - that will send Johnson's popularity sky high. ::)
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I can see Biden doing the decent thing here regarding the Harry Dunn case - that will send Johnson's popularity sky high. ::)
What - that's on the cards?
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What - that's on the cards?
Well I would like to think that as a seasoned bereaved parent, he will find a way of at least offering some form of solace, even if it's only in the form of kind words, to take away the bad feeling that Trumps disastrous effort left in it's wake. I would credit Biden with the wisdom to find a way. I'm sure the will is there. On the other hand I could be talking out of my arse.
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Why couldn't this meeting have been held over Zoom?

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Why couldn't this meeting have been held over Zoom?
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What - that's on the cards?

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Although Mr Johnson said his US counterpart took a “sympathetic” view of the case, when asked about whether there had been any development on the case, the prime minister said there were “limits” to what action Mr Biden could take.

In an interview with the BBC, Mr Johnson said the US president was “actively engaged in the case”.

“As you know, he has his own personal reasons for feeling very deeply about the issue. And he was extremely sympathetic, but this is not something that either government can control very easily because there are legal processes that are still going on,” he said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/biden-johnson-harry-dunn-killer-b1863922.html

That sounds like a diplomatic way of saying "don't get your hopes up"

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/biden-johnson-harry-dunn-killer-b1863922.html

That sounds like a diplomatic way of saying "don't get your hopes up"
Sounds like bollocks though. Because - and irrespective of the legitimacy of diplomatic immunity in this case - diplomatic immunity can be (as I understand it) revoked by the President (or the PM) for any of their respective citizens. And, yes, this would apply retrospectively if they so desire. And, as such, the usual process of application for deportation to stand trial would apply.

Or, am I now talking out of my arse?
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Just look at the way Johnson wears a suit. And what's he doing with his fucking hands?
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The guy back left has got used to not wearing a suit during Covid work-from-home, and when he's put it on this morning, realised he's had a growth spurt.

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The guy back left has got used to not wearing a suit during Covid work-from-home, and when he's put it on this morning, realised he's had a growth spurt.



:D

I think he forgot his suit and had to borrow a spare one from the bloke next to him.

Also, maths isn’t my strong point but there’s more than 7 there. Ursula is one, who’s the other gatecrasher.

And Yorky, couldn’t agree more. If you sound £200k of someone else’s money on a renovation, there’s surely a bit left over to get a fitted suit.

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:D

I think he forgot his suit and had to borrow a spare one from the bloke next to him.

Also, maths isn’t my strong point but there’s more than 7 there. Ursula is one, who’s the other gatecrasher.

And Yorky, couldn’t agree more. If you sound £200k of someone else’s money on a renovation, there’s surely a bit left over to get a fitted suit.

Charles Michel, President of the EU Council (the one with the bad suit).

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Biden does look like Captain America. The one who came back really old at the end of Avengers.

Boris seems one of the powerless of bunch. Makes him Scarlett Johansson.

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Biden does look like Captain America. The one who came back really old at the end of Avengers.


Haha, he really does. :D

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Sounds like bollocks though. Because - and irrespective of the legitimacy of diplomatic immunity in this case - diplomatic immunity can be (as I understand it) revoked by the President (or the PM) for any of their respective citizens. And, yes, this would apply retrospectively if they so desire. And, as such, the usual process of application for deportation to stand trial would apply.

Or, am I now talking out of my arse?

I guess the problem is it's setting precedent. I believe they have already updated the laws so the same can't happen again. But retrospective punishment (not matter how right it may be) is always going to be really hard to do.
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I haven't criticised Starmer before, I've been a supporter up to now but tomorrow's Grauniad headline about Starmer criticising Johnson for not slamming football fans for the 'taking the knee' thing is woeful. Hasn't anyone told these fuckers that the G7 is going on. How long does it take them to figure out what to give to the press.
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I haven't criticised Starmer before, I've been a supporter up to now but tomorrow's Grauniad headline about Starmer criticising Johnson for not slamming football fans for the 'taking the knee' thing is woeful. Hasn't anyone told these fuckers that the G7 is going on. How long does it take them to figure out what to give to the press.

I'm not really understanding what it is you expect him to be saying or doing?

He's not at it/invited is he unless I missed that?

Though a few casual searches reveals that he's made a few comments on G7... So what has he missed?

Things he mentioned (jn relation to G7)

 * Israel/Palestine
 * Global Poverty
 * Financial Crisis
 * Economic Recovery
 * Global vaccinations
 * Taxing giant corporations
 * Education
 * Middle East Peace Process
 * Levelling up (actually not levelling down)

and several other topics...
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I'm not really understanding what it is you expect him to be saying or doing?

He's not at it/invited is he unless I missed that?

Though a few casual searches reveals that he's made a few comments on G7... So what has he missed?

Things he mentioned (jn relation to G7)

 * Israel/Palestine
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 * Financial Crisis
 * Economic Recovery
 * Global vaccinations
 * Taxing giant corporations
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and several other topics...
Yeah, I was a bit pissed last night. Not his fault what the Guardian (in their wisdom) chooses to splash across the front page.
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I haven't criticised Starmer before, I've been a supporter up to now but tomorrow's Grauniad headline about Starmer criticising Johnson for not slamming football fans for the 'taking the knee' thing is woeful. Hasn't anyone told these fuckers that the G7 is going on. How long does it take them to figure out what to give to the press.
Yeah, I was a bit pissed last night. Not his fault what the Guardian (in their wisdom) chooses to splash across the front page.
I should say so! :D What you wrote above reads like Starmer expected Johnson to slam the players for taking a knee. I know - not your intention to suggest that. Thankfully, that's not what occurred.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/11/keir-starmer-accuses-boris-johnson-of-failure-of-leadership-in-anti-racism-row
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I should say so! :D What you wrote above reads like Starmer expected Johnson to slam the players for taking a knee. I know - not your intention to suggest that. Thankfully, that's not what occurred.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/11/keir-starmer-accuses-boris-johnson-of-failure-of-leadership-in-anti-racism-row

Either way it took them both 6 days didn't it? Did Starmer say anything at all when the booing happened initially or did he wait till after?

If it's the latter then he looks very cynical indeed.

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Johnson hoping to use the G7 as a platform to showcase "Global Britain".

Instead, all he's done is perform hosting duties while the real leaders of the west get on with things.

https://twitter.com/alexisconran/status/1403750201534341125


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Johnson hoping to use the G7 as a platform to showcase "Global Britain".

Instead, all he's done is perform hosting duties while the real leaders of the west get on with things.

https://twitter.com/alexisconran/status/1403750201534341125


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Not forgetting his Putinesque swim this morning.

Cringed out of my seat when I saw that.
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Not forgetting his Putinesque swim this morning.

When does Johnson wrestle the bear then, like Tomkinson’s Schooldays

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Either way it took them both 6 days didn't it? Did Starmer say anything at all when the booing happened initially or did he wait till after?

If it's the latter then he looks very cynical indeed.
It's the latter, curious timing with both the article in the Guardian and Boris' change of tune coming shortly after the YouGov poll showing the support for taking the knee but I'm sure that's just a coincidence. I must admit his comments about a lack of courage did tickle me greatly.

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Heh. Starmer was criticising those who booed players taking a knee six months ago. May have got lost at the time in LBC letting through neonazi callers to have 'a heated debate'.
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Heh. Starmer was criticising those who booed players taking a knee six months ago. May have got lost at the time in LBC letting through neonazi callers to have 'a heated debate'.

The one where he heard a neo-Nazi make wild and outlandish claims right on air and he...didn't do much actually. It would be nice if he'd had a heated debate.

He needs to sack off Nick Ferrari. Ferrari is not a good faith actor and LBC ain't gonna get him the audience he needs to convert.

He does, however, have a good couple of weeks coming up to make inroads. Johnson has not had a good G7 thus far, the Irish situation isn't going away, the Good Law project are making a bit of noise, the restrictions may not be lifted and, good decision or not, that will irk many who seem to see Boris as a libertarian, and various members of the cabinet are doing somehow worse than before. This could be a good period for Starmer to start convincing the jury and not the judge.

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Heh. Starmer was criticising those who booed players taking a knee six months ago. May have got lost at the time in LBC letting through neonazi callers to have 'a heated debate'.
I assume you are referring to the call-in where he didn't challenge the caller on their nonsense about white people becoming a minority? A year ago he also got it wrong with BLM, his track record on these matters is spotty to say the least and I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he took his time to say something especially if he feels the way he says he does. English fans booing the national team was front page news and was commented on by others at the time, not days after. It smells of wanting to see where the land lies but that's just me.

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Oh you did hear him say at the time then? Good stuff.
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I assume you are referring to the call-in where he didn't challenge the caller on their nonsense about white people becoming a minority? A year ago he also got it wrong with BLM, his track record on these matters is spotty to say the least and I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he took his time to say something especially if he feels the way he says he does. English fans booing the national team was front page news and was commented on by others at the time, not days after. It smells of wanting to see where the land lies but that's just me.

Or waited until Johnson was knee deep in attempting to play the good host at the G7.  If Johnson had bitten back he would’ve had an even worse G7.  He’ll have been seething at being unable to hit back, although to be fair he was distracted by Macron et al, so got too busy getting aggressive with the EU. 

Now he has to come back to perform another Covid u-turn to the nation.  Don’t be surprised if Starmer again focuses on Johnson’s delay in putting India on the red list just because he wanted to traipse out there for some trade deal.

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Or waited until Johnson was knee deep in attempting to play the good host at the G7.  If Johnson had bitten back he would’ve had an even worse G7.  He’ll have been seething at being unable to hit back, although to be fair he was distracted by Macron et al, so got too busy getting aggressive with the EU. 

Now he has to come back to perform another Covid u-turn to the nation.  Don’t be surprised if Starmer again focuses on Johnson’s delay in putting India on the red list just because he wanted to traipse out there for some trade deal.
So not speaking until now was cynical like Romany suggested, cool.

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So not speaking until now was cynical like Romany suggested, cool.


Or good politics.

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Or good politics.
Which is fine and that may be true but then don't get upset or wonder why some people are turned off because it looks like different racism and racial issues get treated differently as has been mentioned before.

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He needs to sack off Nick Ferrari.


He does, however, have a good couple of weeks coming up to make inroads.


Ah, well, nevertheless.

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