Topic: Liverpool set to transform Kirkby Academy

[rob1966]

Shopped and probably done by a Manc who was too fucking lazy/stupid to check how Melwood is spelt.

[ianburns252]

Just a thought on all this - I remember a few weeks or so back a thread going round re: the club banning/asking people to stay away from Melwood. There was a lot of speculation as to why; was it health and safety, club being disconnected etc.

Looks to me like we have our answer with this. I could be wildly mistaken but I'm guessing that with Melwood being sold they are going to have investors/developers on site who they wouldn't want getting obstructed and also if there was an accident it probably wouldn't help the club should there be any litigation/bad press as a result.

[CraigDS]

It was due to the council having safety concerns about people gathering around the gate and on the road.

[Persephone]

It's a smart and logical move really. Logical because of size, facilities required, retaining the best talent, nurturing new ones all in one place.

Smart because if they sell Melwood, which does have a lot of sentimental value for fans around that area then I'm sure some business will pay a good amount. £50M for such a facility is not too bad. Smart again, because FSG know it will be far easier to sponsor this facility. ManU have theirs sponsored to the tune of £160M (by AON). Get back in the CL a few times, and suddenly we could have paid off this investment almost immediately with major profit to burn. Start re-negotiating or tendering the training tops sponsorship too.

Interestingly Spurs have actually spent a bit less than we will, and their's is superb. You can see all the training sites on this link. Melwood looks poor in comparison.

http://www.footballtraininggrounds.com/liverpool.html

Cheers for posting that link. Spurs and City's look amazing, hopefully our training complex will be along similar lines. Losing Melwood is a pain but there is far more to be gained with this move. Think this will give the youth players a bigger carrot too, they'll be seeing the progress and dreaming of playing there.

[paulrazor]

It's a smart and logical move really. Logical because of size, facilities required, retaining the best talent, nurturing new ones all in one place.

Smart because if they sell Melwood, which does have a lot of sentimental value for fans around that area then I'm sure some business will pay a good amount. £50M for such a facility is not too bad. Smart again, because FSG know it will be far easier to sponsor this facility. ManU have theirs sponsored to the tune of £160M (by AON). Get back in the CL a few times, and suddenly we could have paid off this investment almost immediately with major profit to burn. Start re-negotiating or tendering the training tops sponsorship too.

Interestingly Spurs have actually spent a bit less than we will, and their's is superb. You can see all the training sites on this link. Melwood looks poor in comparison.

http://www.footballtraininggrounds.com/liverpool.html

thats some website

thanks for that

[rob1966]

It was due to the council having safety concerns about people gathering around the gate and on the road.

Chance to design a meet and greet area at the academy now, area where the public are allowed in, away from the main entrance, properly managed, no cars, where the public can get autographs.

[CraigDS]

Chance to design a meet and greet area at the academy now, area where the public are allowed in, away from the main entrance, properly managed, no cars, where the public can get autographs.

Yep. Pretty sure Ayre confirmed this in the meeting with the Supporters Committee the other week.

[Fromola]

It's a smart and logical move really. Logical because of size, facilities required, retaining the best talent, nurturing new ones all in one place.

Smart because if they sell Melwood, which does have a lot of sentimental value for fans around that area then I'm sure some business will pay a good amount. £50M for such a facility is not too bad. Smart again, because FSG know it will be far easier to sponsor this facility. ManU have theirs sponsored to the tune of £160M (by AON). Get back in the CL a few times, and suddenly we could have paid off this investment almost immediately with major profit to burn. Start re-negotiating or tendering the training tops sponsorship too.

Interestingly Spurs have actually spent a bit less than we will, and their's is superb. You can see all the training sites on this link. Melwood looks poor in comparison.

http://www.footballtraininggrounds.com/liverpool.html

Melwood is poor in comparison to our competitors. Yeah this needs doing but it's just as usual us trying to catch up years later to our competitors. We should still be going ahead with the ARE and this doesn't make up for knocking that on the head.

[CraigDS]

Melwood is poor in comparison to our competitors. Yeah this needs doing but it's just as usual us trying to catch up years later to our competitors.

As far as facilities go it's pretty top of the range, it's had a fair amount of money spent on it even over recent years. It's just a little on the small side compared to many of the more recently constructed training facilities.

[Welshred]

Melwood is poor in comparison to our competitors. Yeah this needs doing but it's just as usual us trying to catch up years later to our competitors. We should still be going ahead with the ARE and this doesn't make up for knocking that on the head.

Who said the ARE has been knocked on the head?

[CraigDS]

JWH said they won't get a quick enough return on their investment to build it (i.e. it'll take longer to pay back than the corporate Main Stand).

Yet they'll spend £50m on a training facility which brings in even less return?

[Fromola]

Yet they'll spend £50m on a training facility which brings in even less return?

They'll get the money from Melwood and they should be able to attract a sponsor for it given the money the Mancs have got for theirs, so it should pay for itself quite quickly.

We know we need everything on one site really in terms of the training and academy facilities.

[Welshred]

JWH said they won't get a quick enough return on their investment to build it (i.e. it'll take longer to pay back than the corporate Main Stand).

Show me quotes of anyone related to LFC categorically stating the ARE isn't going to get done.

[Jake]

JWH said they won't get a quick enough return on their investment to build it (i.e. it'll take longer to pay back than the corporate Main Stand).

They literally said in the recent supporters committee notes released recently that they're still looking at the best ways to develop it and it is progressing at a similar rate to how the main stand did.

But bring your anti FSG bullshit into another thread yeah that sounds good.

[Chalky Boots]

Really happy about the move, Melwood was - from it's continual updates - a high quality facility but it lacked the space to implement everything that other teams with newer complexes could offer.

As a side note I wonder if Klopp will bring back his version of the sweat box - the footbonaut- that he had in Dortmund given there'd be the extra space for something that is novel but non the less an aide to the players.

[RedForeverTT]

A decent article with video and pics of Melwood (giving an impression of the size) can be found here mate - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/klopp-liverpool-kirkby-melwood-move-12636031

Jonathan Pearce in the above article alluded to the land possibly being sold off for housing - though hope the club and council could possibly come to some sort of arrangement for the grounds to be used by local club(s) or for the community as a whole - quality footy pitches with facilities for at a decent level are scarce in and around Liverpool (and most places these days).

Cheers.

The proposed expansion to Kirkby looks impressive.

As for Melwood, I think the council won't have the funds or resources to maintain it. I hope there is a plan in place to ensure that our legacy remains for the benefit of the community.

[Welshred]

Show me quotes of anyone related to LFC categorically stating the ARE isn't going to get done.

Still waiting for this by the way...

[Fromola]

Show me quotes of anyone related to LFC categorically stating the ARE isn't going to get done.

They're not stupid enough to rule it out categorically. After getting the planning permission they've stalled it though. The planning permission will run out.

[Welshred]

They're not stupid enough to rule it out categorically. After getting the planning permission they've stalled it though. The planning permission will run out.

So you've made it up then? Thanks for clarifying.

[paulrazor]

Yet they'll spend £50m on a training facility which brings in even less return?

they'll sell melwood, maybe get a sponsor and if a good player comes through then its paid for itself.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

They're not stupid enough to rule it out categorically. After getting the planning permission they've stalled it though. The planning permission will run out.

CraigDS explained about the planning permission in the other thread, so go find it and you'll see you can't use that as a reason to believe the ARE won't get developed.

Edit: I think it was Craig. Him or El Lobo.

[paulrazor]

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what was the sweatbox?

[CraigDS]

They're not stupid enough to rule it out categorically. After getting the planning permission they've stalled it though. The planning permission will run out.

They only ever got outline, which arguably won't run out as was part of the planning for the Main.

Either way, it can run out as full planning needs submitting anyway. So same process needs to be followed regardless.

[CraigDS]

they'll sell melwood, maybe get a sponsor and if a good player comes through then its paid for itself.

I can't see a sale and sponsor covering the cost. Plus the Academy isn't too shabby now so not sure it's anymore likely we'll create a good player to sell as suggested.

[paulrazor]

I can't see a sale and sponsor covering the cost. Plus the Academy isn't too shabby now so not sure it's anymore likely we'll create a good player to sell as suggested.

I think it might generate more players given the first team will be closer. They'll work closer together. Although it is harder to break through now.

That said in recent seasons Ibe and smith came through and were sold for 21m despite being average.

The sale of melwood surely must cover a good chunk. A sponsor would too. We probably wouldn't get as much as united did but even half it would cover the cost. Aren't they making 160m over their sponsor deal?

[CraigDS]

I think it might generate more players given the first team will be closer. They'll work closer together. Although it is harder to break through now.

That said in recent seasons Ibe and smith came through and were sold for 21m despite being average.

The sale of melwood surely must cover a good chunk. A sponsor would too. We probably wouldn't get as much as united did but even half it would cover the cost. Aren't they making 160m over their sponsor deal?

I imagine the majority of the sponsorship is for the training kit rather than the naming of the complex, I mean the kit gets a hell of a lot more coverage and the complex naming is probably just the cherry on the cake. The deal is what, £15m a year, which I don't think is a million miles away from what we got from Garuda (not sure what Betfair are paying now).

[Groundskeeper Willie]

The Kirkby Dunkin' Donuts Subway McDonald's Training Ground.

[paulrazor]

I imagine the majority of the sponsorship is for the training kit rather than the naming of the complex, I mean the kit gets a hell of a lot more coverage and the complex naming is probably just the cherry on the cake. The deal is what, £15m a year, which I don't think is a million miles away from what we got from Garuda (not sure what Betfair are paying now).

so say 10m a year,? Pays for itself in 5

Not even incl melwood sale

[CraigDS]

so say 10m a year,? Pays for itself in 5

Not even incl melwood sale

You're ignoring that we get something like £10m (Garuda was reported to be more like £15m) for the training kit as it is, so you can only really include what we'd get above this amount for the naming. I can't see it being more than a few million a season - probably about enough to pay the increased running costs!

[So… Howard Philips]

You're ignoring that we get something like £10m (Garuda was reported to be more like £15m) for the training kit as it is, so you can only really include what we'd get above this amount for the naming. I can't see it being more than a few million a season - probably about enough to pay the increased running costs!

Maybe we can save a few bob on running costs if we only go for the 4star beds, instead of the 5star?

[gazzam1963]

what was the sweatbox?

The sweatbox if I'm correct  was brought in by shankly it was timber on all four sides ( basically a square ) with circles ? Painted on ...you had to spend a certain amount of time in there kicking a ball on one side then the return to the next side and continue doing it all the way around ... A bit like kicking against a wall on four sides . Probably helped with ball control , accuracy , speed of thought , stamina and helped with the pass and move we were famous for ....high tech in the early 70s

[rob1966]

what was the sweatbox?

I remember seeing pictures of that as a kid. It was a load of boards built to make 4 walls in a square, and the players had to go in it an hit the ball against the walls. Like kicking a ball against a wall as a kid, designed to speed up your reactions.

[rob1966]

You're ignoring that we get something like £10m (Garuda was reported to be more like £15m) for the training kit as it is, so you can only really include what we'd get above this amount for the naming. I can't see it being more than a few million a season - probably about enough to pay the increased running costs!

It was reported in 2013 by the Telegraph that AON are paying £22.5 million a year for naming rights at Carrington (Mancs training ground).

[paulrazor]

You're ignoring that we get something like £10m (Garuda was reported to be more like £15m) for the training kit as it is, so you can only really include what we'd get above this amount for the naming. I can't see it being more than a few million a season - probably about enough to pay the increased running costs!

not ignoring anything mate. Just don't think well get a less return as you put it for a 50m outlay that will be reduced from 50m when we sell melwood.

[paulrazor]

Gazza and rob. Not what I was trying to get at. Was asking what klopps version of it is

[Chakan]

James Pearce @JamesPearceEcho 2m2 minutes ago
Klopp on move to Kirkby: "I really love to Melwood but football changes. Sometimes you have to set standards."

James Pearce @JamesPearceEcho 1m1 minute ago
Klopp: "It's good that our owners give us the opportunity to make this big step in the future and bring Academy and 1st team together."

[Schmidt]

I can't see a sale and sponsor covering the cost. Plus the Academy isn't too shabby now so not sure it's anymore likely we'll create a good player to sell as suggested.

Having the academy players training near the first team with more opportunities for them to mix should help their development, and at the very least makes it easier pitching the club to prospective talents. I don't think we'll see a significant rise in the amount of money made by selling our 'best but not quite good enough' talents but it should definitely have some impact, otherwise what would be the point?

[gazzam1963]

Some german clubs use this , not sure if the link works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhAyX81zP2M

[paulrazor]

Some german clubs use this , not sure if the link works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhAyX81zP2M

that is awesome

[Anfield89]

not ignoring anything mate. Just don't think well get a less return as you put it for a 50m outlay that will be reduced from 50m when we sell melwood.

Selling the Melwood sight won't bring in millions and millions it'll hardly make a dent in the £50m outlay.