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Re: Membership suspended. PLEASE HELP
« Reply #120 on: January 10, 2019, 04:58:21 pm »
So according to this, he has the right of appeal before having to go to the Ombudsman?

So the appeal would be his reply to the letter from the club.

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« Reply #121 on: January 10, 2019, 05:08:59 pm »
Gifted a ticket to the derby to a 'mate' from malta eh. lol.

Oh it all becomes clear.

Kin el if you're going to tout your tickets don't send the foreign lads to the ticket office to pick up!!! Brazen I'lll give you that

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« Reply #122 on: January 10, 2019, 05:11:43 pm »
Oh it all becomes clear.

Kin el if you're going to tout your tickets don't send the foreign lads to the ticket office to pick up!!! Brazen I'lll give you that

The guys were sent without the club expecting them what do you expect them to say

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« Reply #123 on: January 10, 2019, 05:13:33 pm »
This is a weird situation, for the club it probably looks like an elaborate excuse to cover touting. However they clearly had no issue giving a ticket on the day of the match which is strange if it was not actually allowed, surely the TO employee in question should be looked at. Had they followed the clubs own protocol then this situation could have been avoided. 

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Re: Membership suspended. PLEASE HELP
« Reply #124 on: January 10, 2019, 05:16:04 pm »
This is a weird situation, for the club it probably looks like an elaborate excuse to cover touting. However they clearly had no issue giving a ticket on the day of the match which is strange if it was not actually allowed, surely the TO employee in question should be looked at. Had they followed the clubs own protocol then this situation could have been avoided.

We don’t know what the guy from Malta said to the person st the ticket office

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« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2019, 05:17:17 pm »
The guys were sent without the club expecting them what do you expect them to say

What?

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Re: Membership suspended. PLEASE HELP
« Reply #126 on: January 10, 2019, 05:18:44 pm »
This is a weird situation, for the club it probably looks like an elaborate excuse to cover touting. However they clearly had no issue giving a ticket on the day of the match which is strange if it was not actually allowed, surely the TO employee in question should be looked at. Had they followed the clubs own protocol then this situation could have been avoided. 

This is the thing for me too - if the club are giving out the tickets then surely that is an acceptance? Malta might look suspicious (it does!) but surely it looked suspicious at the time as well!

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« Reply #127 on: January 10, 2019, 05:19:27 pm »
What?

Basically the Maltese guys have just turned up at the ticket office god knows what they said to the person working. Whatever happened they got a ticket and the guys lost his cards

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« Reply #128 on: January 10, 2019, 05:20:59 pm »
Basically the Maltese guys have just turned up at the ticket office god knows what they said to the person working. Whatever happened they got a ticket and the guys lost his cards

Well if they're actually friends with him then they say exactly that- along with the letter.

Rather than admit its touted!

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« Reply #129 on: January 10, 2019, 05:23:23 pm »
The other thing that sounded wierd in his reply is that he stated his friend and their friend were looking for tickets by going into detail with work he has shot himself in the foot. Because the second ticket went to a friend of a friend .

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« Reply #130 on: January 10, 2019, 05:23:36 pm »
Well if they're actually friends with him then they say exactly that- along with the letter.

Rather than admit its touted!

Exactly. Well they must have said they were friends surely as even our Ticket Office surely don't hand out a paper ticket to a Maltese guy who says 'Got this off a tout'
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« Reply #131 on: January 10, 2019, 05:32:15 pm »
I suppose they might be thinking of here is .. he has 2 tickets but he had work. That's 1 ticket but doesn't explain who's name the second one is in. What happened to that person?

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« Reply #132 on: January 10, 2019, 06:13:55 pm »
lets not get into the ins and outs of his letter, picking them apart,
seen him at a few games and spent the best part of 24 hours on the mini bus from sofia to Istanbul with him and the others.

always seemed a top lad, get behind him and help him rather than picking holes in his story
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Re: Membership suspended. PLEASE HELP
« Reply #133 on: January 10, 2019, 06:19:34 pm »
Exactly. Well they must have said they were friends surely as even our Ticket Office surely don't hand out a paper ticket to a Maltese guy who says 'Got this off a tout'

Why wouldn't they? Go on Maltese guy in you go...thanks for the tenner...and that's another resale membership account (if proven) closed

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« Reply #134 on: January 10, 2019, 06:21:33 pm »
As others have said, giving them the tickets is surely consenting. Regardless of what these lads said at the window, the TO should have attempted to cross reference this letter of authorisation with some kind of email from Tony, or they should have attempted to give Tony a call at that moment and check it was all cool. I've had that done in the past.

Otherwise anyone could start writing these letters and turning up on match days. So for me the club shouldn't have issued the paper tickets, and instead should have contacted Tony to say that some people were trying to get in using his ID so to speak. But since they issued them, that is consent in my eyes and invalidates their argument on those grounds.

The whole issue of whether the tickets were touted is another debate, and are the only grounds they have for suspending the membership I think. But given they have this clause (which they say you broke), I don't really see their case, IF, as you say, you did gift them to your mates at work.

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Re: Membership suspended. PLEASE HELP
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2019, 06:28:06 pm »
You passed on your derby spare to someone from Malta without asking for money? Riiiiight Something not adding up.

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« Reply #136 on: January 10, 2019, 06:45:29 pm »
You passed on your derby spare to someone from Malta without asking for money? Riiiiight Something not adding up.

One less tout out the game, happy days

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« Reply #137 on: January 10, 2019, 07:00:57 pm »
You passed on your derby spare to someone from Malta without asking for money? Riiiiight Something not adding up.

One less tout out the game, happy days

He is not a tout.
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« Reply #138 on: January 10, 2019, 07:10:08 pm »
The way the club operates now is they monitor social media so if they see someone selling a non hospo  spare  even at fv alarm bells ring.

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« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2019, 07:15:37 pm »
You passed on your derby spare to someone from Malta without asking for money? Riiiiight Something not adding up.

One less tout out the game, happy days

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« Reply #140 on: January 10, 2019, 07:52:40 pm »
Tony is not a tout, agreed. Has helped out in the past without issue and vice versa.

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« Reply #141 on: January 10, 2019, 07:54:43 pm »
In other words anyone that lost there membership/ST due to someone else using it should have a case if the person using the card was allowed in?
As the club gave there consent to someone else using it  ??? ?

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« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2019, 08:39:50 pm »
Why wouldn't they? Go on Maltese guy in you go...thanks for the tenner...and that's another resale membership account (if proven) closed

Perfect isn't it? That's what they want...and the members want
They could have investigated the claim and still not issued the tickets. The problem for me is that the ticket office issued paper tickets without carrying out the proper checks and then still proceeded to ban someone, who by all accounts seems to be innocent on this occasion.

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« Reply #143 on: January 10, 2019, 08:40:57 pm »
I guess the point of letting them in, is if some fella has came over from Malta and theoretically paid higher than face value, they don't wanna ruin that guy's trip and maybe 1 chance to visit Anfield, so they let him in the ground, and deal with the tout afterwards.

It's hard to believe the sincerety of the club to truly tackle touting though, you'll regularly see people going up to stewards with season tickets asking where their seats are, or away ends selling out on 15+ credits having tourists in taking pictures with half and half scarves.
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« Reply #144 on: January 10, 2019, 11:11:54 pm »
I've known Tony for years and he's a good lad. I don't know specifically who the 'Maltese' lad in question is but I do know  a Maltese lad (I won't name him) who I know and Tony knows very well who has lived in London for years and had watched Liverpool for years when he can. As a close friend any ticket would have been passed on at face value or even nothing As a favour
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« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2019, 11:22:32 pm »
Ultimately we can speculate all we want, as mentioned previously having been in the situation myself, the reply to the letter was the chance to get the cards back, His intentions may have been genuine but if he didn’t satisfactorily explain that in his response with evidence to back it up club won’t change there decision.

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« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2019, 10:27:43 am »
Honestly some of the comments on here are disgusting. Loads of people have known me on here for years and can vouch for me.

I have a fair few friends from Malta as I have worked a few times at expo events across Europe for an online casino based there. Not that I need to explain this. While it may come across as a red flag I get that, the investigating officer could ask for proof that I know these people and other things to verify my version of events. All things I can happily provide.

To go calling me a tout without knowing all the facts and having never met me is bang out of order when loads on here can vouch for me. The club and investigating officer have proof that I have been at all home games since Everton. So if I was a tout do you not think I would have flogged my Man U ticket for stupid money or whatever else? I have travelled to 16 countries to watch us including a lot of shit Europa games in Russia and Turkey, so I am quite upset about this and I don't need people who have never met me throwing around false accusations. Have a think before calling me a tout without knowing all the facts
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« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2019, 10:33:26 am »
Well if they're actually friends with him then they say exactly that- along with the letter.

Rather than admit its touted!
I know what they said and they are happy to speak to the club if contacted.

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« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2019, 10:36:25 am »
My letter asked me to explain what happened to my card, who had it and how they came to have it. Didn't ask for their details, which I could have happily provided and still can

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« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2019, 10:40:41 am »
Ignore them mate, people can just be snide.

I remember you sorting me a Palace or West Ham ticket many moons ago for face value. Didn't even accept a beer at the time.  8)
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« Reply #150 on: January 11, 2019, 10:42:33 am »
My letter asked me to explain what happened to my card, who had it and how they came to have it. Didn't ask for their details, which I could have happily provided and still can

Looking at What Tony Barrett posted above think the next step is to formalise your appeal to the decision to the club. You get 14 days to do that it seems so worth doing that next. In that i'd include a full timeline of what went on and the contact details of the mates who had the tickets

If they reject that then its to the ombudsman for appeal

Happy to have a read through anything before you send it if you like. No expert with this scenario but have dealt with ombudsmans  in the past for work

And as RainbowFlick says above ignore the idiots. I dont know you from the matches but know of you on here and see you pop up having sorted spares out from time to time so know you havent touted anything

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« Reply #151 on: January 11, 2019, 10:48:14 am »
Sorry someone told me you supported Barcelona not Liverpool, maybe that's where the confusion lay.

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« Reply #152 on: January 11, 2019, 11:28:09 am »
Sorry someone told me you supported Barcelona not Liverpool, maybe that's where the confusion lay.
Seriously? Pack in the snide comments. No help at all. Just because I go the odd Barcelona game and have a soci (membership) doesn't mean I support them and not Liverpool

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« Reply #153 on: January 11, 2019, 11:41:19 am »
Looking at What Tony Barrett posted above think the next step is to formalise your appeal to the decision to the club. You get 14 days to do that it seems so worth doing that next. In that i'd include a full timeline of what went on and the contact details of the mates who had the tickets

If they reject that then its to the ombudsman for appeal

Happy to have a read through anything before you send it if you like. No expert with this scenario but have dealt with ombudsmans  in the past for work

And as RainbowFlick says above ignore the idiots. I dont know you from the matches but know of you on here and see you pop up having sorted spares out from time to time so know you havent touted anything

The 14 days is from the first letter the club sent. The whole point is the reply to said letter  is an appeal to the decision and sanction. The next step is the ombudsman but needs to be done ASAP

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« Reply #154 on: January 11, 2019, 11:42:36 am »
Seriously? Pack in the snide comments. No help at all. Just because I go the odd Barcelona game and have a soci (membership) doesn't mean I support them and not Liverpool

You need to get your mate to contact the club ASAP, because if you had included his details on the letter regardless of whether it asked to you could of argued my mate was never contacted to get his side of events

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Re: Membership suspended. PLEASE HELP
« Reply #155 on: January 13, 2019, 04:02:36 am »
As far as I am aware from on here then Tony has always been sound with sorting out people tickets. A lot of us sort out tickets, or get sorted out tickets, or swap them, depending on the game. For Brighton away for instance, I swapped four home game tickets for two away league games. My brother and I couldn't go regardless because of family commitments. The other two fellas in our what's app group who have access to tickets had stated for reasons personal to each of them that they couldn't make the game either. I was paid the amount that I paid for the four home tickets and then paid someone else for the two away tickets and the swap was done. Face value essentially. I got to go to an away game and some other fellas got to go to a game we could no longer make due to personal reasons to us.

Without proof of touting I am quite concerned at the feeling within this thread to accuse Tony of touting tickets without any evidence of him doing so, other than the purchaser being foreign and without that person accusing Tony of anything.

Let's focus on people who sell away tickets at way beyond their face value, at people who sell home tickets way beyond their face value and not onto someone who for whatever reason can't make the match and sorts someone else out, isn't that how most of us get our tickets, especially aways?
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« Reply #156 on: January 13, 2019, 09:09:20 am »
I spoke to a few ppl at Brighton yesterday. It seems anybody that’s going to the ticket office or ringing them up to get duplicates is getting letters at the moment .it then seems based on your reply to the letter your either sound or fkd.

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« Reply #157 on: January 13, 2019, 09:28:12 am »
The club are partly to blame for the reason people have to pass on tickets.

How can they expect someone to buy months in advance in the bulk July/November sales and then commit to attending all games without even knowing any confirmed dates as they’re all subject to change!! It’s no surprise supporters are having to pass on tickets to friends/family

The club are targeting the wrong people. They don’t appear to have a clue

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« Reply #158 on: January 13, 2019, 09:38:16 am »
The club are partly to blame for the reason people have to pass on tickets.

How can they expect someone to buy months in advance in the bulk July/November sales and then commit to attending all games without even knowing any confirmed dates as they’re all subject to change!! It’s no surprise supporters are having to pass on tickets to friends/family

The club are targeting the wrong people. They don’t appear to have a clue

I think they are seeing more and more ppl asking for dupes so clamping down.

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« Reply #159 on: January 13, 2019, 09:58:14 am »
The club are partly to blame for the reason people have to pass on tickets.

How can they expect someone to buy months in advance in the bulk July/November sales and then commit to attending all games without even knowing any confirmed dates as they’re all subject to change!! It’s no surprise supporters are having to pass on tickets to friends/family

The club are targeting the wrong people. They don’t appear to have a clue

Don't forget season ticket holders who pay up before the season ends in some cases.....or the autocup scheme...