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[west_london_red]

France is weird...

They’ve had 20k-25k cases a day for months now...

Are they in lockdown? Are their measures working? They certainly aren’t seeing numbers increase, but they’ve kept numbers steady at a really high level... which is odd.

They have a curfew from 18:00 to 06:00, that much I do know.

[djahern]

Plenty of examples in this thread alone. I know of a handful who have managed to get it too the same way.

Just seems strange that local surgeries wouldn't have a list of local people who are next on the most vulnerable list to ring to see if they can get there in the next X minutes before they start ringing people are aren't vulnerable or their family/mates.

I think a lot of it might be to with lists already having been drawn up and probably those on the list already officially booked in or about to be booked in pretty soon.

Calling them in at short notice creates more work for the surgery - amending the list of people that are next up as they’ve now already had it and creating a new list in time for the next batch of people who will be called.

It’s probably simpler for many surgeries to leave the planned list they already have for the next 3-4 weeks intact as they are stretched already. You’d rather their time is dedicated to getting the vaccinations done rather than constantly amending the list of upcoming people. The wait for these folks shouldn’t be long even if they stick to their original plans - you’re probably only talking a week or two for the majority.

[west_london_red]

Pretty sure they are if you are on benefits, under 18, or pregnant.

Yeah, that’s what I thought. But adults in work and not in receipt of benefits do pay, thats what I was getting at so it’s not free for everyone like going to the GP for example.

[Ashburton]

Yeah, that’s what I thought. But adults in work and not in receipt of benefits do pay, thats what I was getting at so it’s not free for everyone like going to the GP for example.

Yeah but what I was getting at is if you don't turn up you don't need to pay.  I've got a private dentist and get charged whether I turn up or not, but I'm aware the NHS dentists have a huge issue with people just deciding not to go and not fussed about telling anyone about it.  The same for vaccinations, there is no downside to just using the booking system then deciding you'll sack it off as you don't fancy going whilst it's raining.

Obviously it's great to see Zeb's post on the other page with such high confidence/intention to get vaccinated, and hope that carries through in to seeing people actually get a jab.  I'd imagine there's a strong social bias to people being interviewed and asked if they'll get a vaccine or not, so lets hope this isn't just hot air.

[RainbowFlick]

No, I understand what you're saying and do agree with what you've said there. But, with 1.6 million working in the social care sector - to have a third, that's approx half a million, not have a vaccine is a huge problem.......don't know what proportion are from BAME background though, and hopefully what you suggest will have an affect. I still think it should be mandatory for care staff though.
My sister is still in hospital having tested Covid positive at the end of last year, after a member of staff brought it into the home. Subsequently the whole home was infected and in lockdown and on Red alert and now they cannot vaccinate residents until they are clear. So, as Paul above suggests, some form of regulation could be used, surely - I mean this is still killing elderly people. When I worked in the NHS we were mandated to have the Hepatitis B vaccine as it was highly recommended to do so -

As an example, I found this in my former Trust policy document on 'Healthcare Workers Screening & Immunisation'....

'Occupational Health and Wellbeing (OHW) will identify the vaccinations required by different groups of staff and will make arrangements for these to take place. Line managers will be asked to ensure their staff attend for vaccinations where required and will be informed if their staff do not attend for vaccination and if workplace restrictions are required.

The four main staff groups for vaccination are: ‘staff involved in direct patient care’; ‘nonclinical staff in healthcare settings’; ‘laboratory and pathology staff’ and ‘staff handling specific organisms’. The vaccinations required for each group are set out in this policy.

Health Care Workers (HCW) joining the Trust who will have direct contact with patient’s blood or other body fluids/ tissues, must provide documentary evidence of satisfactory hepatitis B antibody levels (anti-HBs >10mIU/mL) or must undergo testing and/or hepatitis B immunisation.

Non- immune clinical HCW who will have regular contact with blood or bodily fluids, must receive appropriate immunisations in the Occupational Health Department (OH).Further specific details about management of each vaccination can be obtained from the Trust Standard Operating Procedures:'

Interesting this, I didn't realise hepatitis vaccines were required. I was keen to progress with pushing for educating people before mandating but at this point I feel the remaining people are probably going to be the hardest to budge.

I'm also a bit sceptical whether this Tory populist government with a strong libertarian backbench would want to be seen to mandating vaccinations either. I can't imagine it, personally, but care workers need to ultimately be mindful of where they work.

[RainbowFlick]

For anyone whose been vaccinated after booking an appointment (as opposed to because there’s spare vaccine that needs to be used), how do you chose where to get vaccinated? Do they give you a list of a few places near by or so you have quite a large choice? The reason I ask is that I haven’t changed my address and the NHS still think I live at my parents (not that it’s a million miles away).

My parents had a letter through the door with their NHS number inviting them to book online. There was a fairly broad set of vaccination centres there (included some about an hour away too) with seemingly lots of availability. Next day or two they also received a call from our GP where they were invited to a more local clinic instead (walking distance).

But feasibly the online website will give you a range of different places to book in what I imagine to be your NHS 'area'. All mine seemed to be in South West London and South London.

[Macphisto80]

Several cases found of the Brazilian variant in Ireland. Linked to recent travel there. Bravo. Big massive fucking round of applause.

Well, that's that one out of the box.

[killer-heels]

Several cases found of the Brazilian variant in Ireland. Linked to recent travel there. Bravo. Big massive fucking round of applause.

Well, that's that one out of the box.

Laughable, both by the government allowing it and of individuals making that journey.

[Guz-kop]

You're right Craig, I know of a few examples also. I do wonder if it's a matter of some vaccine types not being able to be kept and so they've happy to use them.

I suspect its a combination of

1. People have medical conditions not broadcast publically
2. Incorrect or out of date coding on gp registers
3. People who happen to be contactable for end of day or no show left overs and/or happen to be in the right place at the right time

As someone said above the logistics of organising this are insane. It takes a lot of effort to move people around pre existing lists planned a few weeks in advance. So if gaps appear may have to fill with flexibility in who is offered to

[Wabaloolah]

Plenty of examples in this thread alone. I know of a handful who have managed to get it too the same way.

Just seems strange that local surgeries wouldn't have a list of local people who are next on the most vulnerable list to ring to see if they can get there in the next X minutes before they start ringing people are aren't vulnerable or their family/mates.

my mates missus who does admin for the local Drug and Alcohol abuse team, works one day a week and from home has just had her second Pfizer jab and she's 42!


She had the second jab three weeks after the first, apparently they had a batch left over after they finished the key workers so they targeted  the local council staff when she had her first.


Another friend's son who is 17 had his as he volunteers at a local special needs school!?!


It seems just as random in Wales as it does in England

[Lynx the saucy mynx]

Plenty of examples in this thread alone. I know of a handful who have managed to get it too the same way.

Just seems strange that local surgeries wouldn't have a list of local people who are next on the most vulnerable list to ring to see if they can get there in the next X minutes before they start ringing people are aren't vulnerable or their family/mates.

Yes I know someone who's 21 who had their vaccine done. Their cousin works at the surgery, and they said to her if you have any friends and family, you can come here before 8pm and we will do it. Low and behold, people they hadn't spoken to in a while came, and was like a family reunion at the surgery. This was early January too.

[Zeb]

Thread by Lewis Goodall (Newsnight) on disparity by postcode in vaccination rates across Birmingham: https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1362891194414616584

Non-twitter view of it: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1362891194414616584.html

Ties in with a Sky story from earlier tonight: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ethnicity-biggest-determining-factor-in-vaccine-uptake-study-finds-12222636

Kind of fits to why they've gone for the approach they have where I live. Also noticeable on the Sky map is not just London but also the big urban centres elsewhere with lower rates of vaccination for whichever reason/s.

[djahern]

Thread by Lewis Goodall (Newsnight) on disparity by postcode in vaccination rates across Birmingham: https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1362891194414616584

Non-twitter view of it: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1362891194414616584.html

Ties in with a Sky story from earlier tonight: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ethnicity-biggest-determining-factor-in-vaccine-uptake-study-finds-12222636

Kind of fits to why they've gone for the approach they have where I live. Also noticeable on the Sky map is not just London but also the big urban centres elsewhere with lower rates of vaccination for whichever reason/s.

I guess the real issue comes about if these areas correlate with the areas we were talking about the past few days - those areas that infection rates may not be falling as fast as the national average, the ones maybe that have seen the infection rate plateaued already.

If we have an overlap between those that are currently more likely to be infected and those that are more likely to refuse a vaccine, then that creates a real problem. And most likely that is exactly the case.

[redbyrdz]

I do understand that those on an official list, who haven't had their call yet, are getting frustrated when they hear about young people getting vaccinated before them. But honestly I don't think vaccinating at random in the younger age groups (those not on the priority lists) would be a big problem. We don't have a clear picture of who is at higher risk in those age groups (outside of those with certain medical conditions), so vaccinating at random is just as likely to get the right people as going through them in order. Plus the current "lets call someone nearby" approach seems to get a lot of school and shop staff, who are at higher risk of exposure to the virus, and also more likely to be a significant multiplicator, if they were ill.

[PaulF]

I think a lot of it might be to with lists already having been drawn up and probably those on the list already officially booked in or about to be booked in pretty soon.

Calling them in at short notice creates more work for the surgery - amending the list of people that are next up as they’ve now already had it and creating a new list in time for the next batch of people who will be called.

It’s probably simpler for many surgeries to leave the planned list they already have for the next 3-4 weeks intact as they are stretched already. You’d rather their time is dedicated to getting the vaccinations done rather than constantly amending the list of upcoming people. The wait for these folks shouldn’t be long even if they stick to their original plans - you’re probably only talking a week or two for the majority.

Additionally, it might be confusing to be already booked in and then asked to come along. I think as long as there is no evidence of people buying their way into the spare vaccine or too much calling in friends and family and while we are smashing through this it's not really a problem.

[12C]

Yeah but what I was getting at is if you don't turn up you don't need to pay.  I've got a private dentist and get charged whether I turn up or not, but I'm aware the NHS dentists have a huge issue with people just deciding not to go and not fussed about telling anyone about it.  The same for vaccinations, there is no downside to just using the booking system then deciding you'll sack it off as you don't fancy going whilst it's raining.

Obviously it's great to see Zeb's post on the other page with such high confidence/intention to get vaccinated, and hope that carries through in to seeing people actually get a jab.  I'd imagine there's a strong social bias to people being interviewed and asked if they'll get a vaccine or not, so lets hope this isn't just hot air.

Had a filling done, midday yesterday. I got a call from the receptionist at 9 to see if I was still coming. They have a real problem with no shows apparently.
Similarly the NHS were doing a publicity campaign a while back about missed appointments.
As you say some people are not bothered if it doesn’t cost them.

[John C]

I suspect its a combination of

1. People have medical conditions not broadcast publically
2. Incorrect or out of date coding on gp registers
3. People who happen to be contactable for end of day or no show left overs and/or happen to be in the right place at the right time

As someone said above the logistics of organising this are insane. It takes a lot of effort to move people around pre existing lists planned a few weeks in advance. So if gaps appear may have to fill with flexibility in who is offered to

Yeah you're right Guz, the entire organisation must be complex. I understand there'll be a bit more of a push in a couple of weeks to help vulnerable people get it.

[didi shamone]

Several cases found of the Brazilian variant in Ireland. Linked to recent travel there. Bravo. Big massive fucking round of applause.

Well, that's that one out of the box.

But we have mandatory  "self quarantine".  Its an infallible system. 
In fact we should close prisons and have mandatory self jailing as well. We'd save a fortune.

[FlashGordon]

Last I read was we had 3 cases of the Brazilian variant in Ireland? I'd hardly call that several. It's literally one more than one or two 

[Indomitable_Carp]

Last I read was we had 3 cases of the Brazilian variant in Ireland? I'd hardly call that several. It's literally one more than one or two 

Is three or more not the very definition of several? 

[FlashGordon]

Is three or more not the very definition of several? 

I'd say it's closer to a few than several. Several to me anyway indicates more than three, though maybe that's only to me.

[CraigDS]

Additionally, it might be confusing to be already booked in and then asked to come along. I think as long as there is no evidence of people buying their way into the spare vaccine or too much calling in friends and family and while we are smashing through this it's not really a problem.

But there are a lot of people 60-65, with pre-existing conditions, who aren’t yet booked in or even been contacted.

Yet 40yr olds (or even 20 odd years olds) are being phoned up ahead of them.

[TepidT2O]

But there are a lot of people 60-65, with pre-existing conditions, who aren’t yet booked in or even been contacted.

Yet 40yr olds (or even 20 odd years olds) are being phoned up ahead of them.

If we’re doing everyone over 40 by the end of March (if), then this shouldn’t be too much of a concern

[spen71]

The logistics of the vaccine roll out must be very complex.   No wonder some people are getting missed for a few weeks.    Hats off to the staff involved in this. 

[reddebs]

Total population of Rotherham Borough is just over 265k and we've already vaccinated 70k.

That's pretty good going I'd say!

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[west_london_red]

Is three or more not the very definition of several? 

Yes, it is. A lot of people seem to assume it’s to do with the number seven though.

[FlashGordon]

Yes, it is. A lot of people seem to assume it’s to do with the number seven though.

I was always taught a couple was two and then a few was 3 or more. Then you'd progress to your severals of the world. Clearly I'm wrong and need to write a strongly worded letter to my primary school 

[rob1966]

If we’re doing everyone over 40 by the end of March (if), then this shouldn’t be too much of a concern

Still the worry of catching the bloody thing in the meantime. I'd like us to have been vaccinated before our kids return to school

[Welshred]

Didn't think RAWK could surprise me any further but a debate on what constitutes several has done that

[didi shamone]

Last I read was we had 3 cases of the Brazilian variant in Ireland? I'd hardly call that several. It's literally one more than one or two 

Three "know" cases. We're a basket case and completely reliant on vaccines. Hopefully they work on all the varients which will inevitably be allowed in. We have guidelines but not rules. Locked down until May at least and that's best case scenario.

[CraigDS]

If we’re doing everyone over 40 by the end of March (if), then this shouldn’t be too much of a concern

Doubt that comforts 64yr olds with underlying conditions much.

[CraigDS]

Didn't think RAWK could surprise me any further but a debate on what constitutes several has done that

It’s only happened a couple of times.

[TepidT2O]

Still the worry of catching the bloody thing in the meantime. I'd like us to have been vaccinated before our kids return to school

Yeah... I totally see that

[didi shamone]

Didn't think RAWK could surprise me any further but a debate on what constitutes several has done that

Now you've made me Google it. It's three or more apparently

[west_london_red]

Now you've made me Google it. It's three or more apparently

Didnt Google point you back to this page!

[killer-heels]

I'd say it's closer to a few than several. Several to me anyway indicates more than three, though maybe that's only to me.

Its three known cases. That pretty much means, as far as this virus is concerned, there will be more than three.

[Indomitable_Carp]

Its three known cases. That pretty much means, as far as this virus is concerned, there will be more than three.

It means there are several, or possibly a few

[killer-heels]

Dont Ireland have a no travel policy or borders closed to certain countries?

[Wabaloolah]

It means there are several, or possibly a few

A few is more than one but less than many. Several is more than two but less than many so the number of cases could be either a few or several but the way this virus spreads there could already be many!

[Wabaloolah]

Dont Ireland have a no travel policy or borders closed to certain countries?

I think it's an advisory travel ban for non-essential reasons whatever the fuck that actually means