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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2880 on: January 28, 2015, 10:29:48 am »
Really getting no replies at all now. Wondering what I'm doing wrong here.
I'm in the same boat now. Applied for tons of jobs, probably heard from about three.

Had an interview last week which went great so they called me back for a second interview. Agency said I did great again but they interviewed three of us and they liked two, me and someone else and are trying to decide between us both. Said they are considering hiring one of us permenantly and the other on a temp-to-perm basis, doing the same job. Was supposed to hear back from them on Monday but still no response, agency have also contacted them. Hate this nervous wait. Really thought I had the job, now I'm thinking maybe I haven't.

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« Reply #2881 on: January 28, 2015, 12:13:25 pm »
I'm in the same boat now. Applied for tons of jobs, probably heard from about three.

Had an interview last week which went great so they called me back for a second interview. Agency said I did great again but they interviewed three of us and they liked two, me and someone else and are trying to decide between us both. Said they are considering hiring one of us permenantly and the other on a temp-to-perm basis, doing the same job. Was supposed to hear back from them on Monday but still no response, agency have also contacted them. Hate this nervous wait. Really thought I had the job, now I'm thinking maybe I haven't.

Try not to worry, could be loads of things going on in the background. The company could be trying to thrash out a payment structure with the agency over the temp to perm scenario or looking for a discount if they take on both of you for example.


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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2882 on: January 28, 2015, 01:28:05 pm »
Try not to worry, could be loads of things going on in the background. The company could be trying to thrash out a payment structure with the agency over the temp to perm scenario or looking for a discount if they take on both of you for example.


I've actually always wondered, how do agencies work? Like how do they make their money?

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« Reply #2883 on: January 28, 2015, 01:56:31 pm »
I've actually always wondered, how do agencies work? Like how do they make their money?

With me it varies depending on the assignment. With permanent roles there are pretty much two types of models. Contingency based recruitment and Retained based recruitment.

Contingency based recruitment you will be working on a commission only basis more than likely competing against a number of other agencies to fill the role. You would earn money if you fill the vacancy where you would earn a percentage of the candidates salary. Now I can only talk about the niece sectors I recruit in but for me the fee percentage could be anything from 12%-35% depending on my relationship with the company and the type of role.  It will vary depending on sector.

Retained based recruitment is where the client agrees to pay a fee to the agency upfront for the project. Normally with this type of assignment there is only one agency working on the role on an exclusive basis and they have more control over the overall process. When I work with this model I normally charge a 3rd upfront non refundable another 3rd once the interviews have been drawn then the final 3rd once the individual has been placed. Normally this model is more commonly used on senior vacancies.

Hope that didn't bore you  ;D



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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2884 on: January 28, 2015, 02:03:49 pm »
No but it did give me a headache haha I'm still half asleep. Thanks for that, was just curious as to how they work and how much "sales" they had to do.

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« Reply #2885 on: January 28, 2015, 02:07:57 pm »
No but it did give me a headache haha I'm still half asleep. Thanks for that, was just curious as to how they work and how much "sales" they had to do.

 ;D, For most agencies its fundamentally a sales job as the recruiters will have a number of KPI's to hit it terms of new vacancies, interviews arranged, site visits, placements made etc, it's also a very ruthless industry and as such standards have in my opinion dropped dramatically.

However I would say there are still a few good ones around and they can have a positive influence in progressing someones career  ;D

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2886 on: January 28, 2015, 02:08:55 pm »
Not really a fan of agencies, had a few over the last few months, ring up take all my details and then not get back to me.

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2887 on: January 28, 2015, 02:28:03 pm »
Not really a fan of agencies, had a few over the last few months, ring up take all my details and then not get back to me.



From memory the last time I was actively looking they call you all the time when they want to put you forward to something and then drop you like a hot potato once you don't get the job! I can understand that, it's a numbers game to them and they need their commissions but it can still be frustrating. It's like they have you in mind for that one role, if you don't get it they look elsewhere rather than seeing what else they have that could be of interest.

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« Reply #2888 on: January 28, 2015, 03:21:15 pm »
From memory the last time I was actively looking they call you all the time when they want to put you forward to something and then drop you like a hot potato once you don't get the job! I can understand that, it's a numbers game to them and they need their commissions but it can still be frustrating. It's like they have you in mind for that one role, if you don't get it they look elsewhere rather than seeing what else they have that could be of interest.

This is a major frustration for a lot of people and I think there are a number of factors why this happens. For me its a combination of targets the recruiter must hit, Contingency based recruitment where the recruiter is competing against a number of other agencies on a commission only basis doesn't help either as they are looking for the "perfect" candidate as that's their best chance of earning commission, lack of proper internal training and the idiots the industry attracts.

The recruiter also has to weigh up if its worth their time actively promoting a candidate to their list of clients or work on the vacancies they have. Depending on your experience and sector, recruiters will be different I would imagine.

I can only really say from my niche sectors that I cover I can't afford to speak with a candidate then drop him as it were as it's too incestuous and we would cross paths again down the line. There are recruiters who are very vacancy driven then there are others who are very candidate driven where they would seek to deal with a candidate who may just be considering a career move but not actively applying to roles.

Experienced individuals looking for a role if your considering using an agency I would recommend doing a little research on which agencies would be best to represent you.

A boutique agency may be better suited as they may be in a better position to approach a range of companies within your sector as they would be more prepared to negotiate on a fee their end.

 

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« Reply #2889 on: January 28, 2015, 07:16:22 pm »
Haha I had that aswell. Was a lady from an agency who got me an interview at a company two weeks ago and she kept calling and recomending me for other suitable positions. But as soon as I didn't get that job I had the interview for, she stopped calling and emailing.

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2890 on: January 29, 2015, 02:29:02 pm »
Both interviews today went well. I was offered one, and the other said they would contact me soon.

Hoping for the one that haven't offered ye more, but I'll take either!
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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2891 on: February 2, 2015, 11:27:17 am »
Got offered the hospital job too! Brilliant, they want me to take in my Driving License and 2 forms of address ID. As I have only been living here a few months, and most bills have my housemates name on, will just my house contract papers be okay along with my Driving Lisence?

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2892 on: February 2, 2015, 11:38:30 am »
This is a major frustration for a lot of people and I think there are a number of factors why this happens. For me its a combination of targets the recruiter must hit, Contingency based recruitment where the recruiter is competing against a number of other agencies on a commission only basis doesn't help either as they are looking for the "perfect" candidate as that's their best chance of earning commission, lack of proper internal training and the idiots the industry attracts.

The recruiter also has to weigh up if its worth their time actively promoting a candidate to their list of clients or work on the vacancies they have. Depending on your experience and sector, recruiters will be different I would imagine.

I can only really say from my niche sectors that I cover I can't afford to speak with a candidate then drop him as it were as it's too incestuous and we would cross paths again down the line. There are recruiters who are very vacancy driven then there are others who are very candidate driven where they would seek to deal with a candidate who may just be considering a career move but not actively applying to roles.

Experienced individuals looking for a role if your considering using an agency I would recommend doing a little research on which agencies would be best to represent you.

A boutique agency may be better suited as they may be in a better position to approach a range of companies within your sector as they would be more prepared to negotiate on a fee their end.

 

My mate works for a leading recruitment consultancy in London

His base salary is about £30k but he took home around £55k. Is this normal to have that level of bonus?
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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2893 on: February 2, 2015, 12:00:36 pm »
My mate works for a leading recruitment consultancy in London

His base salary is about £30k but he took home around £55k. Is this normal to have that level of bonus?

It will depend on whether he is more of a generalist recruiter or more of a niche recruiter but on the whole I would say that's pretty normal remuneration package for a London recruiter.

It would more than likely be commission he will be earning on top rather than a bonus and he will be carrying a financial target that he will have to hit every month/quarter/year. Judging by his take home salary I would guess his financial target to be anything from £13k - £16k per month.

Salaries in recruitment do vary depending on location and sector. A generalist recruiter down by me in Crawley would get a basic salary of around the £20k - £23k mark with commission on top with an expected OTE of £35kish.

A niche IT Recruiter / Oil sector recruiter based in London who recruits senior vacancies / contracts could be earning a basic of £45k with another £45k on top assuming they are good at what they do.

Then there's the internal recruitment roles direct with a company say Amazon for example. These people would be getting a higher basic salary but a smaller bonus so it really does vary depending on what side you are on. 

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« Reply #2894 on: February 2, 2015, 12:08:32 pm »
It will depend on whether he is more of a generalist recruiter or more of a niche recruiter but on the whole I would say that's pretty normal remuneration package for a London recruiter.

It would more than likely be commission he will be earning on top rather than a bonus and he will be carrying a financial target that he will have to hit every month/quarter/year. Judging by his take home salary I would guess his financial target to be anything from £13k - £16k per month.

Salaries in recruitment do vary depending on location and sector. A generalist recruiter down by me in Crawley would get a basic salary of around the £20k - £23k mark with commission on top with an expected OTE of £35kish.

A niche IT Recruiter / Oil sector recruiter based in London who recruits senior vacancies / contracts could be earning a basic of £45k with another £45k on top assuming they are good at what they do.

Then there's the internal recruitment roles direct with a company say Amazon for example. These people would be getting a higher basic salary but a smaller bonus so it really does vary depending on what side you are on. 

Cheers, interesting stuff.

I had no idea that level of bonus was given. Im in the wrong game me!

Ive seen jobs for recruiters advertised on reed which say expected OTE of £100k!
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« Reply #2895 on: February 2, 2015, 12:20:13 pm »
Cheers, interesting stuff.

I had no idea that level of bonus was given. Im in the wrong game me!

Ive seen jobs for recruiters advertised on reed which say expected OTE of £100k!

Have to be careful what you see advertised as recruiters are the worst for over glossing a role and making it out everyone is earning £100k  ;).

Problem with recruitment is its a very pressured and cut throat industry, your only as good as your last placement and with advances in technology/ social media etc larger companies are working out its cheaper to hire someone internally to recruit direct.  Then there's the bastards like me who work out why should I make someone else loads of money so set up on their own which is good but floods the market and comes with its own problems.

Anyone looking to get into recruitment should think about if it is what they want to do. The industry is very good at enticing recent graduates to the industry with the promises of riches however the truth is its takes a while to get to that level and most people don't last two years.

You need a very thick skin working in recruitment and the hours can be very long plus I would say there's about a 10 year window before you suffer burnout and become disillusioned with it all as there's only so much bullshit you can listen to  ;D.



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« Reply #2896 on: February 2, 2015, 12:25:42 pm »
Have to be careful what you see advertised as recruiters are the worst for over glossing a role and making it out everyone is earning £100k  ;).

Problem with recruitment is its a very pressured and cut throat industry, your only as good as your last placement and with advances in technology/ social media etc larger companies are working out its cheaper to hire someone internally to recruit direct.  Then there's the bastards like me who work out why should I make someone else loads of money so set up on their own which is good but floods the market and comes with its own problems.

Anyone looking to get into recruitment should think about if it is what they want to do. The industry is very good at enticing recent graduates to the industry with the promises of riches however the truth is its takes a while to get to that level and most people don't last two years.

You need a very thick skin working in recruitment and the hours can be very long plus I would say there's about a 10 year window before you suffer burnout and become disillusioned with it all as there's only so much bullshit you can listen to  ;D.




Is there a tendency for people who leave the industry to go into other types of sales jobs?

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« Reply #2897 on: February 2, 2015, 12:35:08 pm »
Is there a tendency for people who leave the industry to go into other types of sales jobs?

It really does depend on the individual and there previous experience. Most people who don't make it in the industry tend to be people who struggle with the new business side of things the constant cold calling etc. So if someone doesn't like this side of things they do not tend to move on to a sales role.

Others sometimes get enticed in via their current sector, realise they don't like it then go back to what they were doing before. For example I know an agency who specialise in placing accountants. Sometimes they entice an accountant over into the recruitment industry saying they can utilise their industry experience, they would be good speaking with other accountants etc however gloss over the fact its effectively a sales job and most accountants do not like having a sales target etc.

Recruiters who have been in the industry a while but decide they have had enough normally end up in a sales job but I have seen others move into an HR role after moving into an internal recruiter role. I have been offered a sales management job from a client of mine in the past so there are other possibilities after recruitment.

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« Reply #2898 on: February 2, 2015, 12:44:00 pm »
It really does depend on the individual and there previous experience. Most people who don't make it in the industry tend to be people who struggle with the new business side of things the constant cold calling etc. So if someone doesn't like this side of things they do not tend to move on to a sales role.

Others sometimes get enticed in via their current sector, realise they don't like it then go back to what they were doing before. For example I know an agency who specialise in placing accountants. Sometimes they entice an accountant over into the recruitment industry saying they can utilise their industry experience, they would be good speaking with other accountants etc however gloss over the fact its effectively a sales job and most accountants do not like having a sales target etc.

Recruiters who have been in the industry a while but decide they have had enough normally end up in a sales job but I have seen others move into an HR role after moving into an internal recruiter role. I have been offered a sales management job from a client of mine in the past so there are other possibilities after recruitment.

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« Reply #2899 on: February 2, 2015, 12:59:51 pm »
I see cheers. Learn something new everyday!

Yes im an accountant and I certainly couldn't do a sales job :)

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2900 on: February 2, 2015, 01:15:00 pm »
A job I had an interview for two weeks ago is getting ridiculous now. They definitely want to offer me the job but my previous employers are taking the piss with a reference. They only give a basic one but the company want a proper reference with my performance reviews etc. And the agency aren't making it any easier either. So close yet so far! Arghhh

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« Reply #2901 on: February 2, 2015, 01:46:35 pm »
A job I had an interview for two weeks ago is getting ridiculous now. They definitely want to offer me the job but my previous employers are taking the piss with a reference. They only give a basic one but the company want a proper reference with my performance reviews etc. And the agency aren't making it any easier either. So close yet so far! Arghhh

That's annoying mate. Need to try and get some kind of agreement done.

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2902 on: February 4, 2015, 11:06:02 am »
Well happy - just been offered a job i was crossing my fingers to get! Sales and Marketing Manager, for a construction company.

So if we have any architects.....*wink wink, nudge nudge* ;)
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« Reply #2903 on: February 4, 2015, 11:37:01 am »
Congratulations to all who have found work recently.

There is nothing more disappointing that attending interviews and getting great feedback. Then not getting the role.

My temp contract ended a few months ago, and it's a struggle. I have had either no responses. Or interviews that went well and then they go for someone else.

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« Reply #2904 on: February 4, 2015, 11:38:08 am »
Oh and has anyone had experience of attending apple recruitment events?

I am going on Friday. Is there anything to expect?

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« Reply #2905 on: February 4, 2015, 11:48:47 am »
Oh and has anyone had experience of attending apple recruitment events?

I am going on Friday. Is there anything to expect?

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« Reply #2906 on: February 4, 2015, 01:11:21 pm »
Finally got offered a job today, such a relief. Been sitting on my ass for two months and even mum was getting worried as I'm getting married in May. Feels like a massive burden off my shoulders.

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« Reply #2907 on: February 4, 2015, 01:12:24 pm »
Finally got offered a job today, such a relief. Been sitting on my ass for two months and even mum was getting worried as I'm getting married in May. Feels like a massive burden off my shoulders.

congrats mate, well done!
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« Reply #2908 on: February 4, 2015, 01:33:34 pm »
congrats mate, well done!
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« Reply #2909 on: February 4, 2015, 02:11:21 pm »
Nice one, good week or so for a few of us in here :)
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« Reply #2910 on: February 4, 2015, 02:44:32 pm »
Yep and hopefully it'll start picking up now as the busy seasons are upon us.

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« Reply #2911 on: February 4, 2015, 05:27:20 pm »
Applied for a job on Saturday and also passed my CV to one of the employees at the company, she passed it into HR on Monday and they said they already know about me due to my application online, she says they should call me but haven't heard nothing why does it take so long for a response regardless if it's negative or positive?

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2912 on: February 4, 2015, 06:31:43 pm »
Great stuff.

:-)

Finally got offered a job today, such a relief. Been sitting on my ass for two months and even mum was getting worried as I'm getting married in May. Feels like a massive burden off my shoulders.
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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2913 on: February 5, 2015, 12:23:40 pm »
Brush your teeth and it's 99%.

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2914 on: February 7, 2015, 04:21:55 pm »
So company i work for has just made 9 folk redundant and thankfully i'm not one of the 9 yet, although rumors that they will lay off another load in april and usually test is where they start, So I'm looking to jump ship before i'm pushed but haven't got a scoobie what to put on my CV. It was my first proper job since leaving uni does that mean i take off all my school grades ? or do i just add a new para on my current job ?



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« Reply #2915 on: February 9, 2015, 11:25:28 am »
i've been let go 4 months into my first proper job since uni. it was for a small business(so fair enough to them for letting me go cos i suppose you can't have mistakes within a business this size) and i made a mistake on my 8th day on the job that came up the other day and i'm out the door due to my contract saying they can dismiss you anytime within the first 6 months. so i'm left in need to advice from people other than family and friends who are letting emotions get in the way. the business has said they will provide a reference and i had my first appraisal 2 weeks ago and everything was fine then so i'm going to ring up and ask for those to be sent to me.
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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2916 on: February 9, 2015, 01:04:20 pm »
So company i work for has just made 9 folk redundant and thankfully i'm not one of the 9 yet, although rumors that they will lay off another load in april and usually test is where they start, So I'm looking to jump ship before i'm pushed but haven't got a scoobie what to put on my CV. It was my first proper job since leaving uni does that mean i take off all my school grades ? or do i just add a new para on my current job ?


Update it to put your current role in but I'd leave all your school grades and other qualifications on there too. If it doesn't stay to 2 sides (and I was told in the Interview thread that that's not essential) there's probably other parts you can strip back a bit.

Good luck, I'm trying to pro-actively look at the moment too. Changes afoot here and we now report directly into our US office. They came over to meet us today and spent 3 hours getting grilled this morning on what we do without even a minute of small talk. Shite first impressions, just don't like them in general. Time to step up my search elsewhere I think.

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2917 on: February 9, 2015, 04:45:45 pm »
Applied for loads of jobs for about 4 months straight and heard absolutely nothing back from anyone.

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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2918 on: February 10, 2015, 11:28:18 am »
Applied for loads of jobs for about 4 months straight and heard absolutely nothing back from anyone.

What type of wprk are you long for?
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Re: Unemployed Rawkites
« Reply #2919 on: February 10, 2015, 01:19:50 pm »
What type of wprk are you long for?

Mainly Customer Service, Finance, Accounts Assistant.

But I've applied for everything else aswell seeing I have had no replies.