Topic: Is Carragher to slow a hoofer and not good enough anymore?

[Mutton Geoff]

Embarrassing thread. We all know that Carragher was and still is a great servant to the club, that doesn't need to be talked about. Is he over the hill and nearing the bottom? Yes, we all know this. Does this mean we should slag him off? No it fucking doesn't and anyone who takes an opportunity like this to abuse our own player who's given us so much, is in no uncertain terms, a massive c*nt.

Personally think that this season we'd see more off the Skragger combo in defense but that's not looking too good at the moment.

sorry but there have always been great servants over the years and everyone eventually needed replacing one day, so leave the emotional claptrap out of it, he is not bigger than the club or is he?

[Fruity]

still not 100% sure on the skrtel agger partnership. Aerially we wont be any better. Agger offers far more in terms of playing the ball out of defence but still not sure we would be any more solid at the back.

[lfcmaster]

i dont think carra is as good as he used to be

i would like to see skrtel and agger

[toholmen]

Carra is untouchable, he is the best CB in the league, he should be auto first choice always for any team he wants to play in.

  You must be joking, no?

[Lucas21]

  You must be joking, no?

Familiar with that sarcasm thingy?

[Ramon]

I think Carra has earned his spot in the team for now, but I don't think he should be a guaranteed starter.  We have quality defenders in Agger and Skrtel who I think are the future of the club and they should get as many chances to play together to build an understanding.

[bleedsred1978]

Carra is untouchable, he is the best CB in the league, he should be auto first choice always for any team he wants to play in, he is loyal, if you cut him he bleeds red (ummmmm) he is amazing at blaming his team mates when things go wrong, and always has a story to tell, sometimes even to the press so we all get to hear but being modest he never puts his name to these stories.

Run out of debating points so just turn to snide remarks in another thread.

You were wrong in shanks thread and your wrong here mate.

[General Alonso]

I think Carra has earned his spot in the team for now, but I don't think he should be a guaranteed starter.  We have quality defenders in Agger and Skrtel who I think are the future of the club and they should get as many chances to play together to build an understanding.

Hoofy has earned his spot in the team, but he has earned it by whinging and whining behind the the scenes, not by anything that he has done on the pitch.

[Cid]

He needs to be benched more often, he needs to lose this automatic choice thing..the selection should always be based on ability, not nationaliity or club history.

Having said that, he has been far better than Skrtel this season..so I don't see why he should be dropped.  Bring Agger in and give Carra a chance to play with a calm, capable partner rather than a headless chicken who could implode at any moment.

[Syntexity]

Under the current manager, who according to Agger like the CB's hoofing it, Carra is still good enough. I mean, his positioning, his organising at the back and his bravery is needed back there. And to be fair a better option than most of our other CB's except Agger IMO. I really cant believe Skrtel is ahead of Agger. We have been VERY lucky not to have conceded any penalties to his obsessions towards pulling jerseys at set pieces. His wreckless, not good at positioning and no composure with the ball (only slightly more than Carra).

But we should soon be looking towards a new CB to pair with Agger. Someone with pace and aerial ability. But until we are rid of the cancers that is killing this club, we wont have many options.

[General Alonso]

Under the current manager, who according to Agger like the CB's hoofing it, Carra is still good enough. I mean, his positioning, his organising at the back and his bravery is needed back there. And to be fair a better option than most of our other CB's except Agger IMO. I really cant believe Skrtel is ahead of Agger. We have been VERY lucky not to have conceded any penalties to his obsessions towards pulling jerseys at set pieces. His wreckless, not good at positioning and no composure with the ball (only slightly more than Carra).

But we should soon be looking towards a new CB to pair with Agger. Someone with pace and aerial ability. But until we are rid of the cancers that is killing this club, we wont have many options.

We can use Soto, Skrtel, Kelly or Wilson next to Agger. We don't have to wait for new owners in order to try new combinations.

[Number 7]

Great servant but I think he needs to be left out of certain matches now. Everybody has got their opinion about the United game but the fact is that we lost because we couldn't defend a corner and 2 crosses.

[firing squad]

I can not believe that people are more interested in discussing players and their hoofability rather than getting focused on the protest for the Sunderland match and ensuring that they own a 'corrupted' shirt.

There is a time and a place for all types of pass from a defender to other members of the team and I am fully confident that in the right time and place, Carra will make the right decision.

these kind of posts are extremely boring. Yes,we all know that the owners are the main problem but this is also a FORUM where people discuss various topics including this one.

[cullinp]

these kind of posts are extremely boring. Yes,we all know that the owners are the main problem but this is also a FORUM where people discuss various topics including this one.

Understand your point, but he's right.......I wasn't my usual despondent self on Sunday following the match......reports re Hicks potentially refinancing and the looming deadline just mean that I can't focus on the team at the current time.

The ownership issue should be at the forefront of every single supporters mind and the direct action plus email campaigns needs every one of us behind it.

Carra = Legend.

Yanks Out!

[pascoli]

Could really have entered any one of about 15 other threads to have this discussion to be honest.

In my own personal opinion, he does hoof it a bit too much yeah. I believe it is more to do with a lack of trust in the players immediately in front of him rather than not bein good enough anymore.

He's never been the fastest player in the world, but his reading of the game means thats not quite as important as it could be.

I think its time to start phasing him out slowly, while still showing him the respect he deserves, in fact forget that. The respect he has fucking earnt year after year.

[General Alonso]

Understand your point, but he's right.......I wasn't my usual despondent self on Sunday following the match......reports re Hicks potentially refinancing and the looming deadline just mean that I can't focus on the team at the current time.

The ownership issue should be at the forefront of every single supporters mind and the direct action plus email campaigns needs every one of us behind it.

Carra = Legend.

Yanks Out!

If you can't deal with several topics at the same time then that's your deficiency and you shoudn't really tell people who can deal with several topics at the same time to stop doing so.

[General Alonso]

Could really have entered any one of about 15 other threads to have this discussion to be honest.

In my own personal opinion, he does hoof it a bit too much yeah. I believe it is more to do with a lack of trust in the players immediately in front of him rather than not bein good enough anymore.

He's never been the fastest player in the world, but his reading of the game means thats not quite as important as it could be.

I think its time to start phasing him out slowly, while still showing him the respect he deserves, in fact forget that. The respect he has fucking earnt year after year.

It is very important when the entire team is forced too deep in order to mitigate his lack of pace.

[jaffod]

It is very important when the entire team is forced too deep in order to mitigate his lack of pace.

And he's off.

[General Alonso]

And he's off.

Why not just respond directly to the point made? That's if you can counter it ofcourse.

[Cpt_Reina]

Kenny, rush, barnes, god. There comes a point when every player, no matter who they are or have been has to be replaced. We as supporters and whoever finds themselves in charge needs to separate themselves from the sentimentality of it and make the right footballing decision. IMHO Carra has reached the point where he needs to play fewer games and be phased out. What's sad about the situation is the current lack of an alternative. Agger should be starting. But the other place is still highly debatable. And unfortunately, despite carra's deteriating form he probably still
Remaines the best partner. Wilson, Kelly or Ayala just probably aren't there quite yet.

[jaffod]

Why not just respond directly to the point made? That's if you can counter it ofcourse.

 

[AndrewLFC_1971]

It amazes me why Daniel Agger isn't our no1 choice in defence these days, him and 1 other every week if you ask me, it does grate when Carra hoofs upfield when we could retain possesion. Is he untouchable ? I'd hope not, why does Agger have to be left out ? Why not Carra ?

[underdog]

Run out of debating points so just turn to snide remarks in another thread.

You were wrong in shanks thread and your wrong here mate.

A differing opinion to you is not the same as being wrong, sorry and all that.

Seems about 50% of Liverpool fans would like ot see Carra "rested" more, I am just honest enough to say it how it is, never once said he was bad, just hate it when people say a player is world class (or similar) when they aren't. He done very will given his obvious limitations, good solid CB in his day, nothing more and being scouse doesn't make him any better either. Right now I'd say Soto could offer us more, honestly.

Kelly is a CB by trade is he not? He seems very dependable, he is a big guy, he could play with Agger, maybe give Skrtel a few games with a more mobile guy next to him and see if he chills out a bit, Wilson could do with some game time as backup, and there is always Soto who also lacks mobility, isn't a passer but he is solid in the air at the back, a threat at corners and plays 10 yards further up the field than Carra does.

If you go by what people on here say we have a wold class CB, the best RW in the league and best up and coming replacement for Masch, Alonso and Gerrard all rolled into one, makes you wonder why we're the 8th best team in the league doesn't it.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

1.  Shows a distinct lack of respect for a great servant of the club
2.  Being discussed already on at least 274 different threads