Topic: PL: Liverpool (4) Salah 20', Mane 46', 52, S v West Ham (0) 12.08.18 KO 13.30pm.

[boznich]

I really wish you would engage your brain before writing shit like this. What are we taking action against him for Andy? Do you have some actual evidence? I suspect if there were a photo of young Anthony in a Man U shirt it would have surfaced by now.

The only place you could even potentially take action would be against his employers. You could argue that the cities of Liverpool and Manchester have a rivalry beyond football and that a natural bias might exist. Therefore he shouldn't be reffing Liverpool, Everton, Man U or Man City. Still plenty of games to go around.

But you would have to think of the consequences of that. Far better to start a dialogue I would have thought. But either way you spouting nonsense about taking legal action against him directly makes anyone who agrees he shouldn't be setting our games look like mad conspiracy theorists. Give it a rest.

Why do you have to ruin the incessant emotional drivel and post something reasonable? 

[TepidT2O]

Why do you have to ruin the incessant emotional drivel and post something reasonable? 

Can’t be that incessant... it’s your first post...

[Rush 82]

Rather than just asking the question, he put his hands out in a 'what the fuck' kind of way. The lino obviously said that he wasn't up with play and the reaction of Taylor was comical. He looked properly pissed off. I only saw him because I know what a shithouse he is and I thought he'd be fuming. And he was. He looked absolutely fucked off.

makes the offside goal even sweeter

Wonder if someone in the media will have the balls to start a Ref Watch column

[Rush 82]

Yeah he was great. What is really doing my head in is the media describing as a dm, and comparing him to Kante.

I want them to underestimate him for a long long time

[-Willo-]

I really wish you would engage your brain before writing shit like this. What are we taking action against him for Andy? Do you have some actual evidence? I suspect if there were a photo of young Anthony in a Man U shirt it would have surfaced by now.

The only place you could even potentially take action would be against his employers. You could argue that the cities of Liverpool and Manchester have a rivalry beyond football and that a natural bias might exist. Therefore he shouldn't be reffing Liverpool, Everton, Man U or Man City. Still plenty of games to go around.

But you would have to think of the consequences of that. Far better to start a dialogue I would have thought. But either way you spouting nonsense about taking legal action against him directly makes anyone who agrees he shouldn't be setting our games look like mad conspiracy theorists. Give it a rest.

He's just an attention seeker, god knows why you'd want random peoples to take notice of you on an internet forum discussing Liverpool, but it is what is it I guess.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I really wish you would engage your brain before writing shit like this. What are we taking action against him for Andy? Do you have some actual evidence? I suspect if there were a photo of young Anthony in a Man U shirt it would have surfaced by now.

The only place you could even potentially take action would be against his employers. You could argue that the cities of Liverpool and Manchester have a rivalry beyond football and that a natural bias might exist. Therefore he shouldn't be reffing Liverpool, Everton, Man U or Man City. Still plenty of games to go around.

But you would have to think of the consequences of that. Far better to start a dialogue I would have thought. But either way you spouting nonsense about taking legal action against him directly makes anyone who agrees he shouldn't be setting our games look like mad conspiracy theorists. Give it a rest.

It would be against the people assigning him to games. And there is precedent for this as well. Mike Dean wasn't allowed to ref Liverpool or Everton for 10 years (from 2006 - 2016) due to a perceived potential conflict of interest.

Given that it's a prime subject on everyones lips at the game - it doesn't matter if bias is real or perceived - it affects the game and is at the very least unfair to him as every decision he makes is analysed, dissected and argued about.

Do you think if there was a top referee from Liverpool that he would be able to referee Manchester United? There is fierce rivalry between the cities. If you go to Liverpool, there is an anti-Manchester feeling and vice-versa. You can argue it shouldn't be there and you might be right, but it exists.

If there is any doubt, then why allow issues to come from this? Everyone in the pub after the game was having a go at him. In a game we cruised to a 4-0 victory in. It shouldn't be about the referee. They shouldn't even be part of the conversation. But too many times it's all about them.



From the FA:

"Dean is a member of the Cheshire FA and does not support Everton or Liverpool but was removed from FA Cup final duties in 2006 when the Anfield club played West Ham United. At the time, the Football Association said: “The fact he is from the Wirral might lead to comment and debate which could place him under undue additional pressure.” He took charge of the FA Cup final between Portsmouth and Cardiff City two years later."

[afc tukrish]

makes the offside goal even sweeter

Wonder if someone in the media will have the balls to start a Ref Watch column

Was Mane's offside goal a pace offside, therefore it didn't get called?

Or was it instead awarded to Harry Kane?

Hard to keep up, I'm not in early season form...

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Was Mane's offside goal a pace offside, therefore it didn't get called?

Or was it instead awarded to Harry Kane?

Hard to keep up, I'm not in early season form...

Kane definately got the first one, I saw his fuzzy image teleport onto the goal line as the ball went past. He claimed a can of fanta and a burger from a toddler on Row 37 of the Kop on the way out too.

[El Lobo]

It would be against the people assigning him to games. And there is precedent for this as well. Mike Dean wasn't allowed to ref Liverpool or Everton for 10 years (from 2006 - 2016) due to a perceived potential conflict of interest.

Given that it's a prime subject on everyones lips at the game - it doesn't matter if bias is real or perceived - it affects the game and is at the very least unfair to him as every decision he makes is analysed, dissected and argued about.

Do you think if there was a top referee from Liverpool that he would be able to referee Manchester United? There is fierce rivalry between the cities. If you go to Liverpool, there is an anti-Manchester feeling and vice-versa. You can argue it shouldn't be there and you might be right, but it exists.

If there is any doubt, then why allow issues to come from this? Everyone in the pub after the game was having a go at him. In a game we cruised to a 4-0 victory in. It shouldn't be about the referee. They shouldn't even be part of the conversation. But too many times it's all about them.



From the FA:

"Dean is a member of the Cheshire FA and does not support Everton or Liverpool but was removed from FA Cup final duties in 2006 when the Anfield club played West Ham United. At the time, the Football Association said: “The fact he is from the Wirral might lead to comment and debate which could place him under undue additional pressure.” He took charge of the FA Cup final between Portsmouth and Cardiff City two years later."

 

I thought the whole point with Dean was that he was local and that's why he cant referee us, but he does referee United.

The main issue is that referees in this league are shit. Period.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Liverpool this year!!!!

"I find I'm so excited that I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. I think it's the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at a start of a long journey whose conclusion is uncertain. I hope I can make it across the pond. I hope to see my friend and shake his hand. I hope the season is as red as it has been in my dreams.

I hope."

[Gerry Attrick]

Proper OP you did for this game, Trend. Excellent work

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Proper OP you did for this game, Trend. Excellent work

Thanks mate!

Cannot take credit, though --- win together, lose together --- it was a total RAWK performance!

[RK7]

I think so, Anfield is becoming a very daunting place for the visitors again. We've not even conceded a goal at home since February.

Roma scored 2 in April.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Roma scored 2 in April.

He's talking about league games 

[SteveLFC]

This side has a 1988 feel about it.

Its much better than that side.. trust me.

[RK7]

He's talking about league games 

Oh..about 4 games then. Sounds good though

[newterp]

Roma scored 2 in April.

one from a very weak weak penalty.

[Peabee]

Oh..about 4 games then. Sounds good though

6 games. The last time we conceded a goal at Anfield in the league was in the 4-1 win over West Ham back in Feb.

[duvva 💅]

Its much better than that side.. trust me.

Not yet it isn’t. Trust me.

[dptlfc83]

A brilliant performance yesterday, we swatted West Ham aside with ease. I thought gini, Milner and mane were excellent. VVD is just so laid back and composed and doesn't look like he breaks into a sweat, due to his fantastic reading of the game.

Though a special mention and obvious highlight of the game for me was the kid coming on to hug salah, it was a brilliant moment.

[Billy The Kid]

The main issue is that referees in this league are shit. Period.

Have you ever tried officiating a game of football yourself? I have on a couple of occasions and I can attest that it isn't as easy as it looks. 2 relatives of mine referee on a regular basis in Cork city. They've been doing it for over 20 years and could tell you quite a few horror stories. Situations where they've made calls in real time based on their vantage points, and then were threatened with assault by both players and management. Talk to any referee who has officiated for any length of time and the vast majority will all tell you the same thing - it's nowhere near as easy as it looks. Let's be honest about it, objectivity isn't something football fans are known for. The constant bashing of referees is simply a manifestation of that.

[dptlfc83]

Have you ever tried officiating a game of football yourself? I have on a couple of occasions and I can attest that it isn't as easy as it looks. 2 relatives of mine referee on a regular basis in Cork city. They've been doing it for over 20 years and could tell you quite a few horror stories. Situations where they've made calls in real time based on their vantage points, and then were threatened with assault by both players and management. Talk to any referee who has officiated for any length of time and the vast majority will all tell you the same thing - it's nowhere near as easy as it looks. Let's be honest about it, objectivity isn't something football fans are known for. The constant bashing of referees is simply a manifestation of that.

The refs are shite tho. The manc yesterday was terrible. Before thinking about var, they need to learn to ref properly first and then the governing bodies need to tweak some of the rules. That West Ham keeper was wasting time straight away

[El Lobo]

Have you ever tried officiating a game of football yourself? I have on a couple of occasions and I can attest that it isn't as easy as it looks. 2 relatives of mine referee on a regular basis in Cork city. They've been doing it for over 20 years and could tell you quite a few horror stories. Situations where they've made calls in real time based on their vantage points, and then were threatened with assault by both players and management. Talk to any referee who has officiated for any length of time and the vast majority will all tell you the same thing - it's nowhere near as easy as it looks. Let's be honest about it, objectivity isn't something football fans are known for. The constant bashing of referees is simply a manifestation of that.

I haven't. But I've seen plenty of international football, plenty of CL and Europa football, plenty of Serie A and La Liga football and feel just about qualified enough to say that the referees in this country don't remotely reflect what is meant to be the best league in the world.

[Qston]

Its much better than that side.. trust me.

Not it isn`t yet. Not by a long way....yet. That 88 side was pretty much as good as it gets - Tom Finney knew a thing or two about footy and he had never seen better.

[Bjornar]

That game couldn't have gone any better, we really looked like the real deal. Keita already looks like a big difference maker, and also seems to free up Mané a bit compared to last season, as was pointed out on TAW. No bad performances, and great to see Sturridge get a goal.

[El Denzel Pepito]

Long live the new camera angle. Anfield actually looks like Anfield on the TV again.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Long live the new camera angle. Anfield actually looks like Anfield on the TV again.

I didn't even notice it changed up until midway through the first half 

[Billy The Kid]

The refs are shite tho. The manc yesterday was terrible. Before thinking about var, they need to learn to ref properly first and then the governing bodies need to tweak some of the rules. That West Ham keeper was wasting time straight away

When you say "they need to learn to ref properly first" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that they need to spend more time studying the rules of the game? Or do you mean that they need to improve their decision making in real time? Which by the way, is largely dependent on whatever vantage point they happen to be at in any given moment relative to any given incident. How exactly are they supposed to get a handle on all of those variables? As I say, officiating isn't as easy as most people think it is. Human error will always play a part. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking idiot

Go onto any football forum of any club and it wont take you long to find a thread where referees are getting bashed. The conspiracy theories may not be as daft as some of Andy's, but more often than not, the general consensus will be that referees have it in for their club. Referee X never gives them anything and Referee Y always fucks them over. Yada yada yada. It's the same old bollox over and over again. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement in officiating. Of course there is! I'm simply saying that there's a lot more to it than meets they eye. Saying that "refs are shite" is not only an oversimplification, it's devoid of rationale. HH said it best on the previous page, some people really ought to try engaging their brain a little more before spouting off

[dptlfc83]

When you say "they need to learn to ref properly first" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that they need to spend more time studying the rules of the game? Or do you mean that they need to improve their decision making in real time? Which by the way, is largely dependent on whatever vantage point they happen to be at in any given moment relative to any given incident. How exactly are they supposed to get a handle on all of those variables? As I say, officiating isn't as easy as most people think it is. Human error will always play a part. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking idiot

Go onto any football forum of any club and it wont take you long to find a thread where referees are getting bashed. The conspiracy theories may not be as daft as some of Andy's, but more often than not, the general consensus will be that referees have it in for their club. Referee X never gives them anything and Referee Y always fucks them over. Yada yada yada. It's the same old bollox over and over again. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement in officiating. Of course there is! I'm simply saying that there's a lot more to it than meets they eye. Saying that "refs are shite" is not only an oversimplification, it's devoid of rationale. HH said it best on the previous page, some people really ought to try engaging their brain a little more before spouting off

What I mean is they make it up as they go along, so from one week to the next they make different decisions for the same/similar incidents. Yesterday the ref blew up because two of their players got hit in the bollocks by the ball! When does that ever happen?

[Ben87]

What I mean is they make it up as they go along, so from one week to the next they make different decisions for the same/similar incidents. Yesterday the ref blew up because two of their players got hit in the bollocks by the ball! When does that ever happen?

Is the rule still that the game is only stopped for head injuries? Because more and more seem to be stopping it for other things now

[G Richards]

Referee was poor, but when you win 4-0 you can't make too much of it.

It's a bit like Pellegrino, who is a gentleman, saying our third goal was offside but it didn't affect the result of the game. Taylor was rubbish, but his performance didn't affect the result of the game.

The goal for Liverpool has to be to win our matches so convincingly that a bit of good luck, or bad luck, here and there, won't really make a difference. Obviously that won't always be possible, but that has to be the goal.

[kasperoff]

Referee was poor, but when you win 4-0 you can't make too much of it.

It's a bit like Pellegrino, who is a gentleman, saying our third goal was offside but it didn't affect the result of the game. Taylor was rubbish, but his performance didn't affect the result of the game.

The goal for Liverpool has to be to win our matches so convincingly that a bit of good luck, or bad luck, here and there, won't really make a difference. Obviously that won't always be possible, but that has to be the goal.

If we want to win the league, we will need some luck in a few crucial games decided by the odd goal.

Say what you like about conspiracy theories, but some decisions last year beggared belief. If that "luck index" report is to be believed, we were robbed blind. If we get the same treatment/luck this year, then we can play how we like, we still won't win the league.

[dptlfc83]

Is the rule still that the game is only stopped for head injuries? Because more and more seem to be stopping it for other things now

Just head injuries I think and obviously common sense to be used for a serious injury, but the ball hitting a player in the bollocks! Come on that's wrong, time wasting is becoming a serious problem too and refs let players get away with it all the time

[Ben87]

Just head injuries I think and obviously common sense to be used for a serious injury, but the ball hitting a player in the bollocks! Come on that's wrong, time wasting is becoming a serious problem too and refs let players get away with it all the time

Fabianski was looking to waste time from the off, even after they were a goal down

[Wingman]

Its much better than that side.. trust me.

87-90 side won 2 titles, lost the 3rd in injury time, won an FA cup and lost in the final and semi. They’d have given Milan a run for their money in Europe too. This side have won nothing ... yet

[Yorkykopite]

Given that it's a prime subject on everyones lips at the game - it doesn't matter if bias is real or perceived- it affects the game and is at the very least unfair to him as every decision he makes is analysed, dissected and argued about.

Are you sure you mean that? That bias has only to be “perceived” and not actually real. Wouldn’t that make you (and your equivalents at Man United and Everton etc) the arbiters of who was able referee games? I mean you guys perceive bias everywhere.

[dptlfc83]

Fabianski was looking to waste time from the off, even after they were a goal down

Exactly and it's wrong. Until the refs sort out something as basic as that then we're pissing into the wind. Fingers crossed that we're so good that it's all irrelevant to us

[Bobinhood]

It may be tough to top this performance, ive no idea how they can pull off a triple bagging on the same play, the double alone is very rare. I'm thinking it might have to be Ramos 3 times, that could be possible if we can get him on the ground at any point. Hell of a standard to set first game out!

[PoetryInMotion]

87-90 side won 2 titles, lost the 3rd in injury time, won an FA cup and lost in the final and semi. They’d have given Milan a run for their money in Europe too. This side have won nothing ... yet

If you're talking about losing the final & semi, you'd have to be good enough to recognize that this side has reached a European Final twice in 3 years and another Cup Final as well. And this side has become a Top 4 side twice in a row, after failing to finish in the Top 4 in 6/7 previous seasons. It has to be within a context. And it has the potential to achieve so much more.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Are you sure you mean that? That bias has only to be “perceived” and not actually real. Wouldn’t that make you (and your equivalents at Man United and Everton etc) the arbiters of who was able referee games? I mean you guys perceive bias everywhere.

I'm sure that any body that thought that people might think their league was bent might think it was a good idea to make sure that no one could have any excuse to think like that.

Not sure if you've ever worked in Manchester, but look up the area in question and look up the stats on who they support. You might find it surprising.