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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #120 on: November 19, 2011, 05:58:02 pm »
I'd agree that attempting to prevent people from doing heroin is the way forward. Is it right to make the person taking heroin a criminal though?

I would say that it is not helpful to make them a criminal.  Not at all.
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #121 on: November 20, 2011, 11:58:19 am »
I would say that it is not helpful to make them a criminal.  Not at all.

Whilst keeping the supply illegal, underground and controlled by criminal gangs?

On a practical level, drug use is inevitable in society, billions of £'s and $'s spent on a war against drugs that has yielded little result for anyone other than the drug lords, all manner of drugs are easily available on our streets, anyone who wants to try drugs can as it stands - legalisation is not going to create a massive shift in the culture in favour of drug abuse, it will however, put it out in the open, take it out of the hands of criminals and keep the substance pure.
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #122 on: November 20, 2011, 12:02:53 pm »
Have I once said that I think drugs should remain criminalised as they are at the moment?


My position is that basing your drugs policy on an ideological position that the state has no right to have a say in what you do to your body is wrong.  Both because I think that ideological position is flawed and because the best policies are usually based on pragmatism not ideology.

EDIT:  In fact Q I would favour the practical solution in the second bit of your post.  I would favour it for the same reason I support the Police having limited power of detention over the suicidal, that is that it is because although it does not conform to either ideological position it is the pragmatic solution which is best for society and best for the individuals involved.  It is the compelling argument for legalisation so it amuses me that people keep trotting out libertarian nonsense or even worse the tobacco conspiracy theorists or the ones who scream about the hypocrisy of alcohol. 

Our drugs laws are already based on pragmatism, that should probably be extended to all drugs.
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #123 on: November 20, 2011, 12:11:40 pm »
My position is that basing your drugs policy on an ideological position that the state has no right to have a say in what you do to your body is wrong.  Both because I think that ideological position is flawed and because the best policies are usually based on pragmatism not ideology.

This is a whole different and interesting debate, I'd love to get into it but don't have that time.

Being pragmatic, decriminalisation is the worst possible policy, the status quo is a failure, for the reasons stated above and more, full drug legalisation is the best way forward.
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #124 on: November 20, 2011, 08:14:15 pm »
My position is that basing your drugs policy on an ideological position that the state has no right to have a say in what you do to your body is wrong.  Both because I think that ideological position is flawed and because the best policies are usually based on pragmatism not ideology.

I think it's a little unfair to characterise a right to self determination as an ideology. Would you say the right to life is an ideology?

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #125 on: November 20, 2011, 11:31:17 pm »
I think it's a little unfair to characterise a right to self determination as an ideology. Would you say the right to life is an ideology?

Not sure.  What's your position on Pro-Lifers?
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #126 on: November 20, 2011, 11:37:10 pm »
Not sure.  What's your position on Pro-Lifers?

Holy shit, VdeM, I wasn't going there. I meant my right to life.

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #127 on: November 20, 2011, 11:41:06 pm »
Holy shit, VdeM, I wasn't going there. I meant my right to life.

Is your right any different to anyone elses? And when does it start?
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #128 on: November 20, 2011, 11:43:01 pm »
Is your right any different to anyone elses?

No. Well, except to me, obviously, in that I'm more concerned about my right to life than most other people's.

And when does it start?

Puberty?

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #129 on: November 20, 2011, 11:45:34 pm »
No. Well, except to me, obviously, in that I'm more concerned about my right to life than most other people's.

Puberty?

;D  Birth or earlier, and if so how much earlier?
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #130 on: November 20, 2011, 11:51:09 pm »
It isn't something I've given much thought to. I'm absolutely pro choice but I haven't really considered the degree to which I am. I was going to do a poll about it some while back but didn't.

I think every woman has the right to not be pregnant if she so wishes. I suppose that means putting the cut off point of right to life for a foetus at the same point where it could independently survive, i.e. as a human entity, rather than a gestatory being.
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #131 on: November 21, 2011, 12:05:57 am »
Does that not make you a pragmatist on the right to life as opposed to the ideologues with their Pro-Life banners?  Our law in the UK certainly is that, with an arbitrary cut off point for terminations.  So one day you have no right to life then next you do. 

Does independently survive include with medical help, ie. ventilators/incubators?  If so how far are we from the point where we can artificially support a embryo/foetus from point of conception.  What then?

Like you I am pro-choice, but as each new bit of scientific research comes out revealing how much the foetus mentally absorbs and develops while in the womb then I grow more and more uncomfortable with that position. 
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #132 on: November 21, 2011, 12:07:43 am »
Puberty?

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #133 on: November 22, 2011, 03:02:13 pm »
Obama issues his first commutation to federal prisoner

Almost three years after taking office, President Barack Obama has issued his first commutation to a convict serving time in a federal prison.

The White House announced Monday that Obama commuted the nearly 22-year prison sentence of Eugenia Jennings, 34, a mother of three from Alton, Ill. who pled guilty in 2000 to selling 13.9 grams of crack cocaine to a police informant. She received the two-decades-plus prison term because she had two prior state drug sale convictions.

In testimony before a Senate Judiciary subcommittee in 2009, Jennings's brother Cedric Parker said her sister was a drug addict, alcohol abuser and victim of sexual assault, who was trying to provide for her children. Parker also said Jennings, who is black, would have gotten half as much prison time if she was convicted of dealing in powdered cocaine rather than the crack form.

"Eugenia Jennings’s 22-year sentence for her nonviolent offense was overkill," Julie Stewart of Families Against Mandatory Minimums said in a statement Monday night. "Today, President Obama rights that wrong and we are grateful to him. We urge the President to continue exercising his clemency power and grant more commutations to the many deserving federal prisoners, like Eugenia, who have paid a hefty price for their mistakes and deserve a second chance.”

Obama ordered that Jennings be released Dec. 21.

Another advocate for greater presidential use of the clemency power, former Justice Department pardon Attorney Margaret Love, also welcomed the news of Obama's first commutation.

"I'm very pleased," Love said. "I hope that it is a sign he intends to look at the many other people in federal prisons serving very long crack sentences which his own administration has called unjust."

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #134 on: November 23, 2011, 11:52:13 am »
Parker also said Jennings, who is black, would have gotten half as much prison time if she was convicted of dealing in powdered cocaine rather than the crack form.


Slight racist/social standing vibe to that law?

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« Reply #136 on: November 23, 2011, 12:07:38 pm »
I know this is hard to follow but one of the Republican primary candidates actually said something intelligent at one of those countless debates.

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #137 on: November 23, 2011, 12:29:32 pm »
Totally racist but Obama did away with it.

Nice one. He did something right.  :P

I know this is hard to follow but one of the Republican primary candidates actually said something intelligent at one of those countless debates.

Delete it. Quickly. -Q- will be in here soon!

I actually quite like RP's views on some issues. Drugs being one of them.


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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #138 on: November 23, 2011, 12:46:26 pm »
oh dear - broken watch syndrome
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #139 on: November 23, 2011, 04:48:51 pm »
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« Reply #140 on: November 23, 2011, 05:07:14 pm »
Done.

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« Reply #141 on: November 24, 2011, 05:03:17 pm »
Done it but it took bloody forever.
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #142 on: December 2, 2011, 11:45:07 am »
A win-win on drugs? Fighting gangs by legalizing pot

Copenhagen voted overwhelmingly to remove its cannabis prohibition. Here’s why.

Copenhagen just got a lot closer to legalizing the sale of pot.

If approved by the Danish parliament, next year the city could grant licenses to individual marijuana growers. City-owned shops would then sell their crop to the public.

That prospect was deeply amusing to Israel, a burly dreadlocked Cuban in Christiania, the city’s self-declared “free town.”

"I will grow it!" he said with excessive zeal. "I’ve got this big bag of seeds."

Israel was sitting outside a cafe near Pusher Street, the area’s open-air cannabis market, rolling a succession of monster joints for the locals and tourists who drop by for a smoke.

Copenhagen’s city municipality voted in recent weeks, 39 votes to 9, to empower its social affairs committee to draw up a detailed plan to legalize cannabis.

If that plan is approved by Denmark’s new left-of-centre parliament next year, the city could become the first to legalize marijuana, rather than simply tolerate it, as police do in the Netherlands.

“We are thinking of perhaps 30 to 40 public sales houses, where the people aren’t interested in selling you more, they’re interested in you,” Mikkel Warming, the mayor in charge of social affairs at Copenhagen City Council told GlobalPost. “Who is it better for youngsters to buy marijuana from? A drug pusher, who wants them to use more, who wants them to buy hard drugs, or a civil servant?”

Judging by the good-natured way Israel joshed with one of the day’s customers — a teenager whom he appeared to have reduced to an incoherent, pale-faced stupor — he’s not exactly threatening.

But the same cannot be said for the gangsters on Pusher Street, whose crew cuts and bulky jackets make them look more like nightclub bouncers. They are a far cry from the hippie idealists who founded Christiania in a disused army barracks 40 years ago.

It is these people, the biker and immigrant gangs who manage the city’s drug supplies, that Warming wants to cut out.

"People who use marijuana are paying money to criminals, mostly to gang members, and it’s a market that every year, is worth up to two billion Danish kroner ($350 million). That’s enough to fight for, which is why we’ve had a war between the gangs in Copenhagen," he said.

That’s why he doesn’t want to institute a system where smoking marijuana is tolerated in cannabis cafes, but officially illegal, and therefore profitable for criminals to grow and import.

Copenhagen effectively operated such a system in Christiania until 2004, when the police moved in and shut the district’s thriving cannabis cafes, forcing the trade into street stalls.

And it still exists in the Netherlands today, although Dutch authorities are tightening up.

“We don’t want an Amsterdam model," Warming said. "We want a way to make it legal to import or grow marijuana."

The details still must be ironed out. But Warming imagines a system similar to the state-owned alcohol monopoly that operates in neighboring Sweden.

The government would either grow marijuana itself or license growers, as already happens in countries that allow the drug to be used for medical purposes.

The Danish parliament voted down a similar proposal submitted by Copenhagen City Council three years ago, but since then a new left-of-centre government has come in, giving it a better chance of getting through.

In a sign of the changing times, some in the ruling Social Democratic party are beginning to support the idea.

Lars Aslan Rasmussen, the party’s official spokesman on cannabis, believes it is only a matter of time.

"If you look at Copenhagen city, at first it was only the Socialists, then it became the Red-Green Alliance, then it became the Social Democrats, and now we’ve got some of the Liberals," he said. "I think we are slowly getting there. Around the world, people are changing their opinions on this. The war on drugs, it didn’t really work."

Many in his party disagree, not least Ole Haekkerup, the legal spokesman.

"If we make it easier to get marijuana, we expect that more people would end up on hard drugs," he told Ekstra Bladet, a Danish newspaper, after the vote.

The Danish Socialist People’s Party quietly dropped their support for legalization when they joined the Social Democrats’ coalition in June in the run up to September’s election.

But support is nonetheless building. Lars Kragh Andersen, who was sacked as an assistant policeman earlier this year after refusing to arrest cannabis users, has become a prominent campaigner.

The law student this week sent a statement to the Copenhagen police announcing that he had begun dealing small amounts of a cannabis from his home. To prove his point, he included a marijuana joint in the letter.

Israel, seemingly oblivious to the possible loss of earnings, agrees that Warming's plan is the only sensible way to go.

"The government created the gangs," he said. "They have to open up, because every drug in this town is legal, even if it’s not legal. You can find hash and cocaine on every street corner. Eighty percent of the population here in Copenhagen are smoking. But if I smoke some stuff, I’m a criminal."

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #143 on: December 2, 2011, 05:38:27 pm »
^Scandinavians in forward-thinking common sense shocker. It's such an obvious move.

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« Reply #144 on: December 20, 2011, 10:48:11 am »
If you see stories about Sweden legalising cannabis, sorry, they're fake.

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« Reply #145 on: December 21, 2011, 12:24:32 pm »
Richard Branson - http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/blog/time-to-end-the-war-on-drugs

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Visited Portugal, as one of the Global Drug Commissioners, to congratulate them on the success of their drug policies over the last 10 years.

Ten years ago the Portuguese Government responded to widespread public concern over drugs by rejecting a “war on drugs” approach and instead decriminalized drug possession and use. It further rebuffed convention by placing the responsibility for decreasing drug demand as well as managing dependency under the Ministry of Health rather than the Ministry of Justice. With this, the official response towards drug-dependent persons shifted from viewing them as criminals to treating them as patients.

Now with a decade of experience Portugal provides a valuable case study of how decriminalization coupled with evidence-based strategies can reduce drug consumption, dependence, recidivism and HIV infection and create safer communities for all.

I will set out clearly what I learned from my visit to Portugal and would urge other countries to study this:

In 2001 Portugal became the first European country to officially abolish all criminal penalties for personal possession of drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamines.

Jail time was replaced with offer of therapy. (The argument was that the fear of prison drives addicts underground and that incarceration is much more expensive than treatment).

Under Portugal’s new regime, people found guilty of possessing small amounts of drugs are sent to a panel consisting of a psychologist, social worker, and legal adviser for appropriate treatment (which may be refused without criminal punishment), instead of jail.

Critics in the poor, socially conservative and largely Catholic nation said decriminalizing drug possession would open the country to “drug tourists” and exacerbate Portugal’s drug problem; the country has some of the highest levels of hard-drug use in Europe. The recently realised results of a report commissioned by the Cato Institute, suggest otherwise.

The paper, published by Cato in April 2011, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the problem far better than virtually every other Western country does.

Compared to the European Union and the US, Portugal drug use numbers are impressive.

Following decriminalization, Portugal has the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the EU: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%, Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.

The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%. Drug use in older teens also declined.  Life time heroin use among 16-18 year olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8%.

New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003.

Death related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half.

The number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and the considerable money saved on enforcement allowed for increase funding of drug – free treatment as well.

Property theft has dropped dramatically (50% - 80% of all property theft worldwide is caused by drug users).

America has the highest rates of cocaine and marijuana use in the world, and while most of the EU (including Holland) has more liberal drug laws than the US, it also has less drug use.

Current policy debate is that it’s based on “speculation and fear mongering”, rather than empirical evidence on the effect of more lenient drug policies. In Portugal, the effect was to neutralize what had become the country’s number one public health problem.

Decriminalization does not result in increased drug use.

Portugal’s 10 year experiment shows clearly that enough is enough. It is time to end the war on drugs worldwide. We must stop criminalising drug users. Health and treatment should be offered to drug users – not prison. Bad drugs policies affect literally hundreds of thousands of individuals and communities across the world. We need to provide medical help to those that have problematic use – not criminal retribution.

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #146 on: January 24, 2012, 07:20:19 pm »
Get in there Branson, tell it like it is

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jan/24/cannabis-tax-branson-mps-virgin

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The market for cannabis in Britain should be regulated and taxed, and responsibility for drug policy moved from the Home Office to the health department, Sir Richard Branson has told MPs.

The Virgin Group head said the 20% of police time and £200m spent on giving criminal sentences to 70,000 young people for possession of illegal drugs in Britain each year would be better spent going after the criminal gangs at the centre of the drugs trade. "It's win-win all round,'' he told the Commons home affairs select committee.

Asked about his personal history of drug use, Branson replied: "I would say 50% of my generation has smoked cannabis. I would say 75% of my children's generation has smoked cannabis … If I was smoking cigarettes, I would be very worried."

He said that in his own Virgin companies he did not think staff who were found to be taking drugs should be dismissed but instead treated as having a problem, and helped. "There are many people in companies with drink problems or smoking problems," he said.

Branson was part of a global commission on drug policy, which includes five ex-presidents and Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general. The body concluded last year that the war on drugs had failed and called for experiments in decriminalisation.

He was the first witness at the Commons home affairs inquiry into drug policy.

Branson argued that the policy of switching responsibilty for drug policy from the Home Office to the health department had worked in Portugal, where nobody had been jailed for using or possessing drugs in the last 10 years.

Portugal was the only country that had decriminalised all drugs. As a result of treating drug users rather than imprisoning them, he said, heroin use and heroin-related deaths had fallen by more than 50%.

In Britain, 100,000 young people a year were arrested for drug offences, and 75,000 of them were given criminal records, which meant they had problems in later life in travelling to some countries, he said.

"If next year those 100,000 people are not prosecuted for taking drugs, but they are helped, I think the commission would welcome Britain doing that."

He said if the sale of cannabis and other drugs were regulated and taxed, then the quality of what was being taken could be controlled. He contrasted the lack of deaths in Portugal with the recent deaths of three teenagers in Britain from taking tablets they wrongly thought were ecstasy, citing the fatalities as an example of the consequences of failing to regulate the illegal market.

The Virgin chief admitted he had not read the UK Home Office drug policy statement, which emphasises diverting drug users from prison, but said the 100,000 arrests each year were evidence the policy was not working in practice.

Pressed by some Conservative MPs on the committee to come down on one side or the other in the debate over methadone maintenance versus abstinence, Branson said he was no expert, and it was for the MPs to establish what worked best.
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« Reply #147 on: January 24, 2012, 10:58:24 pm »
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Killed by cannabis: Boy, 16, dies falling down stairs while high on skunk ... and proves Sir Richard Branson is wrong about drugs

A schoolboy fell down a flight of stairs and died after smoking strong cannabis, it emerged today.
David Norkett, 16, died from brain injuries six days after he staggered backwards and plunged down seven steps at a multi-storey car park used as a frequent haunt for drug taking, a coroner was told.
At an inquest in Newbury, Berkshire, his friends Matthew Lawrence and Oliver Farr told how the teenager, had bought the drugs from a group of people ‘hanging around local shops who reportedly warned: ‘Make sure you don’t have too much, it’s quite strong.’
Mr Lawrence added: ‘It wasn’t like I had seen before - it was a brighter green.’
The friends made their way to the multi-storey car park in Reading, the hearing was told, and smoked several cannabis joints.
While his friends began ‘laughing and giggling,’ they later told police that David, from Newbury, was affected the most.
The teenager, whose friends recorded a memorial rap about him and posted it on YouTube, became ‘hyper,’ crouching down and apparently deliberately hyperventilating before suddenly standing to bring on a fainting fit.
 
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Seconds later, the inquest heard, he staggered backwards and fell headlong down the stairwell.
His friends called emergency services and the stricken teenager was taken to the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading, later being transferred to the neurological unit at Oxford’s John Radcliffe Hospital where he succumbed to his injuries, the coroner was told.
Recording a verdict of misadventure, Berkshire coroner Peter Bedford said: ‘Cannabis - we know it’s out there, none of us are that naive.
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Grilling: Sir Richard Branson gave evidence to Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, calling for drugs to be decriminalised, on the same day as the inquest
‘That’s a fact of the society in which we live.
‘The awful events that took David’s life weren’t directly related to the fact he had taken cannabis but potentially fairly innocuous substances - alcohol being another obvious example - may not in themselves cause death but may impact upon behaviour in ways that put lives at risk.
‘Can we say that, if he hadn’t had cannabis, he wouldn’t have fallen? We can’t say completely but I think, deep down, we all know that wasn’t likely to have happened otherwise.
‘If nothing else comes out of this tragic death, let the message be taken away - not least by Matthew and Oliver, tell all your friends - that there are risks involved in these substances and these risks can prove fatal.
‘Let his death not be in vain. Share this message.’
 ‘If nothing else comes out of this tragic death, let the message be taken away... that there are risks involved in these substances and these risks can prove fatal'

Mid Berkshire Coroner Peter Bedford
The warning comes in stark contrast to calls by Sir Richard Branson to decriminalise cannabis.
The Virgin boss admitted smoking the drug and told MPs on the Home Affair Committee today that ‘75% of my children’s generation had smoked cannabis.’
Sir Richard called for an end to the war on drugs, telling MPs that it had simply failed.
The failure was caused by ‘trying to deal with it as a criminal problem rather than a health problem’, he said.
Today’s hearing came as new guidelines for sentencing in drugs cases were issued to judges.
Low-level street dealers caught with up to 6kg of cannabis, which could sell for tens of thousands of pounds, and some heroin and cocaine dealers deemed to have played only a minimal role could be spared jail from next month.
And so-called drug mules, who bring narcotics into the country and are often exploited by organised criminals, could also serve less time in prison under the guidelines set by the Sentencing Council.

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« Reply #148 on: January 24, 2012, 11:01:51 pm »
That sort of garbage really isn't worth posting on here.

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #149 on: January 24, 2012, 11:25:41 pm »
That sort of garbage really isn't worth posting on here.

Has to be one of the worst headlines I've ever seen, it is worthy for its sheer idiocy.
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« Reply #150 on: January 24, 2012, 11:35:47 pm »
That article....my word.
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« Reply #151 on: January 24, 2012, 11:50:40 pm »
hang on

its legal to take drugs in Portugal?
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« Reply #152 on: January 24, 2012, 11:58:12 pm »
hang on

its legal to take drugs in Portugal?

I don't knoww if its legal but its been decriminalised (I think).
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #153 on: January 25, 2012, 12:10:30 am »
oh pardon my thickness, but isnt that the same thing.
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« Reply #154 on: January 25, 2012, 12:13:15 am »
oh pardon my thickness, but isnt that the same thing.

My understanding (from an equallly thick perspective!) Is you don't get done for possession and the like. Maybe one off oour more enlightend friends could llet us know!?
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« Reply #155 on: January 25, 2012, 12:16:38 am »
My understanding (from an equallly thick perspective!) Is you don't get done for possession and the like. Maybe one off oour more enlightend friends could llet us know!?

yeah, please, anyone, before i book a flight to Portugal. ;D
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« Reply #156 on: January 25, 2012, 12:55:10 am »
Drugs are decriminalised in Portugal, if you get caught with personal amounts of drugs you won't get thrown in jail, much of the money saved on the criminalising aspect is spent on better facilities for rehabilitation and such. There's also a 'yellow card' system in place where if they consistently catch someone with drugs and feel there are doing themselves damage they will be issued a warning that unless they seek treatment they will face some action (I can't remember what tho'). But yea, basically you might face a fine or something but won't be screwed if caught with drugs in Portugal.

In a decriminalised system they still go after suppliers.

Cannabis is now fully legal in the basque region of Spain, Bilbao might become my 2nd team!

Joke of an article above, nearly as bad as the Irish Times, they've had several nonsense articles about Cannabis since September last.

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« Reply #157 on: January 25, 2012, 01:07:48 am »
Portugal anyone?
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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #158 on: January 25, 2012, 02:12:50 am »
Tragic story, but massive headline fail.
When oh when will we make stairs illegal, its gone too far. Mind bending retardation journalism.

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Re: War on Drugs
« Reply #159 on: January 25, 2012, 10:36:29 am »
When oh when will we make stairs illegal, its gone too far. Mind bending retardation journalism.

FFS, that mail article is so bad I just raised a PCC against it.
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