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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #280 on: June 9, 2018, 04:11:51 pm »
Fucking hell Al, that's awesome.
Maybe the group, led by your leadership, will see these drafts as PR functions and brilliant use of humor

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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #281 on: June 9, 2018, 06:36:34 pm »
A campaign that got wider support, to be honest it seems to me that the only people complaining are the usual suspects the Police Federation, ACPO and Fail readers. You have contradicted yourself over and over again. How can you say the campaign hasn't had wide spread support but then try to convince us that it was a cynical marketing ploy.

You have linked to article that suggests that Lush's profits have soared because of their involvement in the Spycops campaign. So which is it, is it a campaign that has failed to get wide support or is it a successful marketing campaign because I can't really see how you can claim it is both.

For me it is the same old establishment trick a smear that attempts to get you to question the morals of the people calling out the Police for their appalling behavior. Peter Francis is a perfect example in the Fail smear campaign the Met's initial investigation had been wholly inadequate, undermined by Some officers simply didn’t try hard enough because of Stephen’s colour. They conclude though that the Met are working to secure further convictions and that no stone is being left unturned.

So basically it wasn't the Met's fault they were let down by some officers. That is a bit different to what MacPherson concluded that the Met was institutionally racist.

Contrast that with their treatment of Francis. They start of by pandering to xenophobia. Francis may of been born in North London but his Father was a New Zealander and his mother German. What relevance does that have to his revelations absolutely none but it does setup a nice stereotype. Someone of foreign descent coming over here and attacking the Police.

Then they questioned his mental state. Interestingly they don't question the integrity of the Special Demonstration Squad or their vile actions. The smear continues basically saying that being undercover affects the mental state of cops. So we can't really believe what they say, we can when they are putting away people the Fail doesn't like but not when they criticise the establishment. There is also no criticism of the establishment for putting people in that position. That is followed by a series of spurious innuendos that seeks to undermine Francis.

Finally we get to the nitty gritty and basically their conclusion is that Francis's motivations are financial. He has only come out with these allegations about spying on the Lawrence family and the infiltration of their movement to make a few quid. A classic right wing smear. Don't ever admit that the Police have ever done anything wrong just turn it into a case of questioning the person making the accusations. The conclusion was basically nothing to see here.

Exactly the same as the Spycops campaign. The Fail and the right wing media haven't mentioned the cause behind it. Instead they have twisted it into a an attack on ordinary coppers and smeared Lush. According to the right it is the morality of Lush we should be looking at. The Francis smear was in 2013 and guess what subsequent events have shown that Francis wasn't a lying, mental case looking for money but was correct and the Met had looked to spy on and infiltrate the Lawrence family.

For me this campaign was bang on the money and as one victim has said did more good in three days than the official investigation has done in 3 years. An investigation that was setup in 2014, which should of finished in 2018 but won't actually hear any evidence until next year and won't now be completed until 2023 at the earliest. The reason for this the Police's refusal to co-operate.

The need for highlighting the Spycops campaign is down to the obstruction of the Police and the establishment looking to kick this case into the longest of long grass. That is the issue not the morality of the people looking to highlight some of the greatest miscarriages of justice this country has ever seen.

Great summary, Al. Anyone coming into this thread should read this post.

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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #282 on: June 16, 2018, 12:14:58 pm »
I see they've restarted the campaign again.
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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #283 on: October 15, 2018, 08:53:18 am »
This seemed the most appropriate thread for this.


Police spies infiltrated UK leftwing groups for decades

Exclusive: database shows 124 green, anti-racist and other groups spied on by undercover police

Rob Evans
Mon 15 Oct 2018 07.00 BST
Last modified on Mon 15 Oct 2018 08.27 BST

Police deployed 24 undercover officers to infiltrate a small leftwing political party over a 37-year period, the Guardian can reveal.

The police spies infiltrated the Socialist Workers party (SWP) almost continuously between 1970 and 2007, often with more than one undercover officer embedded within the party.

Four of them deceived women into sexual relationships while using their fake identities. One spy met one of his wives during his deployment and had a child with her.

About one-third of the total number of undercover officers embedded in political organisations that have so far been publicly identified infiltrated the SWP, a Trotskyite party of a few thousand members that advocates the abolition of capitalism through revolutionary means.

The scale of the infiltration of the SWP – far larger than any other political organisation – is revealed in a database compiled following investigations by the Guardian and the Undercover Research Group, a network of activists that scrutinises police espionage.

The database lists 124 groups that have been spied on by undercover police officers since 1968.

The next-biggest infiltration of a specific organisation was against the campaign opposing the Vietnam war, which was penetrated by nine undercover officers between 1968 and 1972.

The database is incomplete as the full list of groups that were spied on has yet to be established.

The list so far compiled, however, suggests police spies overwhelmingly monitored leftwing and progressive groups that challenged the status quo, with only three far-right groups infiltrated – the British National party, Combat 18 and the United British Alliance.

Undercover officers spied on 22 leftwing groups, 10 environmental groups, nine anti-racist campaigns and nine anarchist groups, according to the database.

They also spied on campaigns against apartheid, the arms trade, nuclear weapons and the monarchy, as well as trade unions. Among those spied on were 16 campaigns run by families or their supporters seeking justice over alleged police misconduct.

According to the database, police spied on 12 animal rights groups and eight organisations related to the Irish conflict.

The database also draws on disclosures made by a public inquiry led by a retired judge, Sir John Mitting, which is examining the covert infiltration of political groups over the past 50 years.

The much-delayed inquiry is still in its preliminary stages and is due to start hearing evidence in public next year.

Mitting and his team have been given the task of scrutinising a range of misconduct, including the frequent deception of women into intimate relationships.

At least 144 undercover officers are estimated to have been deployed to infiltrate political groups since 1968, and 65 of them have been unmasked so far.

Mitting’s inquiry has disclosed that the police spies collected and stored information about the activities of more than 1,000 political groups in that period, although it has not published a list of the groups.

The undercover officers infiltrated specific groups, but also gathered information on a range of other organisations. The police spies adopted fake identities to infiltrate political groups, usually for periods of up to five years, reporting back to their supervisors on what the activists were doing and what protests they were planning.

The extent of the infiltration of the SWP leaves the police facing questions about why they believed such large a number of deployments was necessary.

The SWP’s members have often been conspicuous on demonstrations with their red-and-white placards. However, an assessment by Scotland Yard submitted to the public inquiry concluded the party “does not have a recorded propensity for violence, however, some of its members will have convictions at an individual level”.

Other leftwing groups such as the Socialist party (formerly Militant) were infiltrated by undercover police, but it is unclear why the SWP appears to have been singled out for such intense monitoring.

The first police spy sent to infiltrate the SWP started his deployment in 1970, using the alias of Stewart Goodman. The group was then known as the International Socialists before changing its name to the SWP in 1977.

Another spy – deployed between 1974 and 1977 – was withdrawn by his managers after he told a colleague he had fallen in love with a female activist and wanted to disclose to her that he was an undercover officer.

According to a brief account published by the inquiry, he met his third wife while undercover. They had a child, although it is not clear if he had left the police by that time.

Another spy – who used the fake identity of Vince Miller – has admitted he had two sexual relationships with activists while he infiltrated the SWP between 1976 and 1979.

Two police spies using the fake names of Alan Bond and Michael Hartley in the 1980s also deceived women into sexual relationships. Like many of the police spies, they stole the identities of dead children to develop their fake personas.

Charlie Kimber, the SWP’s joint national secretary, said the level of infiltration revealed the state’s fear of the left. “The whole way the police operated was disgraceful. In many ways, the most appalling aspect of it were the women who were tricked into what they thought were real relationships,” he said.

The Metropolitan police said the work of its two now-disbanded undercover units, the Special Demonstration Squad and National Public Order Intelligence Unit, will be fully scrutinised by the public inquiry. It said it “is providing every assistance so the inquiry can fully address the key issues it has identified, and can fulfil its terms of reference”.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/15/undercover-police-spies-infiltrated-uk-leftwing-groups-for-decades

The full list of groups spied on is here:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2018/oct/15/uk-political-groups-spied-on-undercover-police-list

Putting aside the SWP, it's nice to see they invested more effort into spying on environment and justice campaigns, than they did on all far right groups put together.

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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #284 on: October 15, 2018, 09:17:17 am »
together.

This will be music to Lush's ears, what with him being "right wing on crime."

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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #285 on: October 15, 2018, 11:27:44 am »
Thing is, if an undercover cop, to infiltrate the far right, faked a relationship with jayden fransen, id mint that man a big fucking medal.

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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #286 on: October 15, 2018, 11:44:15 am »
Thing is, if an undercover cop, to infiltrate the far right, faked a relationship with jayden fransen, id mint that man a big fucking medal.
Why? What would it gain?

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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #287 on: October 15, 2018, 04:26:19 pm »
Certainly no intelligence!

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Re: This Lush #SpyCops campaign
« Reply #288 on: October 19, 2018, 03:13:47 pm »
Hmm, are we outraged at the police's nasty methods - or their stupid and wasteful choice of targets ?