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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13840 on: June 25, 2019, 02:43:23 pm »
For me it was his demand for more transfer money, Ashleys not having any of that, he like "Look, i bought a guy just last January, perfectly good MLS striker, and now you want more? Get out"

Perfectly reasonable, really, i mean he only made a million 5 and a half seasons wages off the whole Mitrovic/Almiron flip. moneys tight you know.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13841 on: June 25, 2019, 02:49:12 pm »
And I thought it was depressing to be an Arsenal fan lately - those Newcastle lads have really got it going against them these days.  No manager, shocking dickhead of an owner and in theory one of the best fanbases in the league yet seemingly destined to spend another year in limbo fighting relegation and milking the premier league money.  Awful.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13842 on: June 25, 2019, 02:56:11 pm »
yep. we keep saying this in here

here we have a club with a wankstain owner who has just let slip a top class manager through his hands and has the cheek to up season ticket prices, revamp his box in the ground (as well as the club having the dearest shirt about).

Seriously why would a season ticket holder pay up again.

They really need to take proper action. A complete boycott of the opening home game of the season, picketing sports direct shops and that is just for starters. They need to get properly mobilised and hit the shithouse where it really hurts him
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13843 on: June 25, 2019, 02:59:07 pm »
They really need to take proper action. A complete boycott of the opening home game of the season, picketing sports direct shops and that is just for starters. They need to get properly mobilised and hit the shithouse where it really hurts him
yep. not much has been done

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12 years they've had of it
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13844 on: June 25, 2019, 04:07:12 pm »
I'm being dead serious, and I have barely been there but I think it makes sense. But if I was the Arabs and wanted a club on the cheap that had potential, then I'd buy Birmingham City.

Because of the brand name Birmingham, as well as all the redevelopments there, HS2 etc and the Commonwealth Games, there is so much potential there.

I always saw Newcastle as the number one choice of that criteria, but after recent events, I've given up thinking it will ever happen for them.

And it's Rafa that has suffered, which makes me really infuriated.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13845 on: June 25, 2019, 04:12:13 pm »
Ashley wants more for Newcastle than FSG paid for Liverpool  :lmao
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13846 on: June 25, 2019, 04:16:04 pm »
yep. we keep saying this in here

here we have a club with a wankstain owner who has just let slip a top class manager through his hands and has the cheek to up season ticket prices, revamp his box in the ground (as well as the club having the dearest shirt about).

Seriously why would a season ticket holder pay up again.

Same reason Rafa keeps taking shit jobs - love the game too much.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13847 on: June 25, 2019, 04:35:33 pm »
Same reason Rafa keeps taking shit jobs - love the game too much.

Yep, like those of us who sat in 1/4 empty Anfield against Bolton when Roy was at the wheel.  As soon as gate revenue was affected the Owl was fucked off a week later.  Fair play to the lads who did their talking with their feet and stayed away but if going to the footy IS life then its very hard.

The cancers had already been replaced by Fenway and we were halfway there by that time.

When it comes to Football clubs losing money then things get done

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13848 on: June 25, 2019, 05:35:02 pm »
Ashley wants more for Newcastle than FSG paid for Liverpool  :lmao

That sounds funny now but back in our darkest days we were days away from administration. FSG got us cheap

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13849 on: June 25, 2019, 06:19:06 pm »
That sounds funny now but back in our darkest days we were days away from administration. FSG got us cheap

Agreed. I'm pretty sure it was £300m as that was the debt amount Hicks and Gillet owed RBS.

In April of that year Hicks wanted £800m.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13850 on: June 25, 2019, 06:35:00 pm »
Agreed. I'm pretty sure it was £300m as that was the debt amount Hicks and Gillet owed RBS.

In April of that year Hicks wanted £800m.

Think they paid £220m for us and I know Hicks wanted up to £800m right up until we were sold.  Think the fat tw@t wanted a "finders" fee.  He knew he was sitting on a goldmine but didn't have the resources to exploit it himself.

That said, we'd been European Champions, runners up and FA Cups winners not many years before; Newcastle have done the square root of bog all for decades, and Ashley has seen them relegated twice. 

Don't say it lightly but Everton are worth more than Newcastle.  And I don't think Everton are worth £350m.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13851 on: June 25, 2019, 06:39:00 pm »
Ashley wants more for Newcastle than FSG paid for Liverpool  :lmao

I'd say that's about right.

They had about a £180m turnover and their general numbers are pretty well in check. Ours was around £200m I think when they bought us but we also had plenty of financial issues which dropped the price down. TV income was nowhere near what it is now too, which is a sure fire income stream so bound to push prices up.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13852 on: June 25, 2019, 09:06:45 pm »
After a couple of years of laughing at Sunderland fans, the inevitable North East switch (occasionally involving Middlesbrough) is back on again.

It's like watching three overlapping rollercoasters with the occupants laughing at each other at the top of the ride then plummeting down as the others rise.

Rafa looked like the one who might break the cycle but Ashley is perfect material for short term gain and long term pain
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13853 on: June 25, 2019, 09:15:46 pm »
After a couple of years of laughing at Sunderland fans, the inevitable North East switch (occasionally involving Middlesbrough) is back on again.

It's like watching three overlapping rollercoasters with the occupants laughing at each other at the top of the ride then plummeting down as the others rise.

Rafa looked like the one who might break the cycle but Ashley is perfect material for short term gain and long term pain

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13854 on: June 26, 2019, 01:15:55 am »
I've figured it out!  It's all a ploy to screw Ashley over: 

Q: What's NUFC worth without Rafa? 
A: A lot less, so that's how the Sheikh is going to change his offer.

Ashley is forced to accept the new offer, the Sheikh hires Rafa back, and spends the savings on new playing staff.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13855 on: June 26, 2019, 06:01:05 am »
I'm done with empathy for Newcastle fans, they've had entirely long enough to actually do something of substance about Ashley but have done fuck all but whinge.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13856 on: June 26, 2019, 08:28:25 am »
I've figured it out!  It's all a ploy to screw Ashley over: 

Q: What's NUFC worth without Rafa? 
A: A lot less, so that's how the Sheikh is going to change his offer.

Ashley is forced to accept the new offer, the Sheikh hires Rafa back, and spends the savings on new playing staff.

Genius!

Other than the elaborate ploy bit, I actually think there is a possibility he would be re hired by new owners if they take over.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13857 on: June 26, 2019, 08:32:00 am »
Yep, like those of us who sat in 1/4 empty Anfield against Bolton when Roy was at the wheel.  As soon as gate revenue was affected the Owl was fucked off a week later.  Fair play to the lads who did their talking with their feet and stayed away but if going to the footy IS life then its very hard.


i think there was a few things other than gate revenue that got Hodgson sacked.

Blackburn away the fans made it clear and I think had he stayed in charge for the United FA cup match we would have been utterly humiliated
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13858 on: June 26, 2019, 08:33:02 am »
I'm done with empathy for Newcastle fans, they've had entirely long enough to actually do something of substance about Ashley but have done fuck all but whinge.

Genuine question.

In your opinion, what do you think they could have done/do that would rid them of Ashley?

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13859 on: June 26, 2019, 08:42:41 am »
Genuine question.

In your opinion, what do you think they could have done/do that would rid them of Ashley?
if you read the thread it has been suggested many times to boycott/picket sports direct and boycott the games
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13860 on: June 26, 2019, 09:02:05 am »
if you read the thread it has been suggested many times to boycott/picket sports direct and boycott the games

So, using the matchday revenue figures for the 2017/18 as an example, together with a 25% reduction in attendance (which has been mentioned in previous comments)...

Do you think that a 25% reduction (13,000 seats) on the £23.9m turnover for matchday, amounting to £5.98m, would be enough for Ashley to throw the towel in? Bearing in mind that the overall turnover for that period was £178.5m. Not to mention the fact he's allegedly got a net worth of £2.5 billion.

Sorry, but I don't.

It's all about the Premier League with Ashley.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13861 on: June 26, 2019, 09:02:55 am »
I'd say that's about right.

They had about a £180m turnover and their general numbers are pretty well in check. Ours was around £200m I think when they bought us but we also had plenty of financial issues which dropped the price down. TV income was nowhere near what it is now too, which is a sure fire income stream so bound to push prices up.

I don't agree but fair enough.

As I understand it, their ground needs upgrading. They have no manager, a championship squad, have been relegated twice in recent years, and would have been prime candidates to go down again if not for Benitez.

Sure, their attendance is solid, they generate a decent turnover and have no real debts that I know of; but there's an awful lot of expensive work that needs doing to just make them competitive.  And the fact is if the price was reasonable somebody would surely have stepped in long before this? So either the asking price is too high or Ashley has just never really been that serious about selling.  He never sold them when they were relegated after all, and he must know there's a good chance it will happen again.

It's all free advertising for him. He's honestly not arsed by this point. They're like the anti-City.  Any PR is good PR for fat Mike.

They'll have to drop two divisions before he starts to worry.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13862 on: June 26, 2019, 09:05:19 am »
Where would they get their Lonsdales if they boycott Sports Direct? This is what is stopping them protest, the bad wools.
We would have got him out years ago if it was us, especially with his high profile stores being an easy target for protest and disruption. The Newcastle fans clearly don't have high enough expectations to motivate collectively to rid themselves of this burden.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13863 on: June 26, 2019, 09:12:06 am »
I don't agree but fair enough.

As I understand it, their ground needs upgrading. They have no manager, a championship squad, have been relegated twice in recent years, and would have been prime candidates to go down again if not for Benitez.

Sure, their attendance is solid, they generate a decent turnover and have no real debts that I know of; but there's an awful lot of expensive work that needs doing to just make them competitive.  And the fact is if the price was reasonable somebody would surely have stepped in long before this? So either the asking price is too high or Ashley has just never really been that serious about selling.  He never sold them when they were relegated after all, and he must know there's a good chance it will happen again.

It's all free advertising for him. He's honestly not arsed by this point. They're like the anti-City.  Any PR is good PR for fat Mike.

They'll have to drop two divisions before he starts to worry.

Don’t forget Anfield needed upgrading or a new stadium built too. So again a good comparison when it comes to the valuations.

Ashley always refused to sell when they were relegated as he’d have lost a packet. It’s why he doubled down and allowed the wage bill to be so high for the Championship, so they’d get back up.

As for why it’s not sold - it’s not exactly a huge pool of people/businesses who want to throw £300m (and then possibly more) at a football club. Even less who then actually show they have the funds. We had this issue too both when Moores tried to sell and when Hicks and co tried to.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13864 on: June 26, 2019, 09:12:25 am »
So, using the matchday revenue figures for the 2017/18 as an example, together with a 25% reduction in attendance (which has been mentioned in previous comments)...

Do you think that a 25% reduction (13,000 seats) on the £23.9m turnover for matchday, amounting to £5.98m, would be enough for Ashley to throw the towel in? Bearing in mind that the overall turnover for that period was £178.5m. Not to mention the fact he's allegedly got a net worth of £2.5 billion.

Sorry, but I don't.

It's all about the Premier League with Ashley.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13865 on: June 26, 2019, 10:16:37 am »
So, using the matchday revenue figures for the 2017/18 as an example, together with a 25% reduction in attendance (which has been mentioned in previous comments)...

Do you think that a 25% reduction (13,000 seats) on the £23.9m turnover for matchday, amounting to £5.98m, would be enough for Ashley to throw the towel in? Bearing in mind that the overall turnover for that period was £178.5m. Not to mention the fact he's allegedly got a net worth of £2.5 billion.

Sorry, but I don't.

It's all about the Premier League with Ashley.

Probably not, which is why you target his other businesses.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13866 on: June 26, 2019, 10:59:29 am »
So, using the matchday revenue figures for the 2017/18 as an example, together with a 25% reduction in attendance (which has been mentioned in previous comments)...

Do you think that a 25% reduction (13,000 seats) on the £23.9m turnover for matchday, amounting to £5.98m, would be enough for Ashley to throw the towel in? Bearing in mind that the overall turnover for that period was £178.5m. Not to mention the fact he's allegedly got a net worth of £2.5 billion.

Sorry, but I don't.

It's all about the Premier League with Ashley.

You have to directly devalue his assets. The Club, his 15 odd other businesses. Pitchforks down to his corporate head quarters. Take the fight to him, organise. Boycott the tv broadcasts. Stop buying shirts, campaign against PUMA, Fun88 and anyone else on the shirt. It can be done, and was done by Liverpool fans.

The equation is simple, you make it harder for him to keep the club than sell it and do that for long enough for his ego to give in.

You can say none of that will work, but what they're doing now isn't, so what's to lose? Well, the club for one.

I'd say most of the fans are happy to wait around and whinge rather than organising and rebelling. You'd expect more from a working class fan base, than to let a billionaire run roughshot over them for a decade.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13867 on: June 26, 2019, 11:24:13 am »
I've figured it out!  It's all a ploy to screw Ashley over: 

Q: What's NUFC worth without Rafa? 
A: A lot less, so that's how the Sheikh is going to change his offer.

Ashley is forced to accept the new offer, the Sheikh hires Rafa back, and spends the savings on new playing staff.

Genius!

So Rafa will technically put his 'own money' into the club as that twat Richard Keys said then!
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13868 on: June 26, 2019, 07:10:53 pm »
I've figured it out!  It's all a ploy to screw Ashley over: 

Q: What's NUFC worth without Rafa? 
A: A lot less, so that's how the Sheikh is going to change his offer.

Ashley is forced to accept the new offer, the Sheikh hires Rafa back, and spends the savings on new playing staff.

Genius!

Nah, with Rafa's luck, the takeover goes through, the Sheikhs invest massively, bring on Jose, he builds the squad on top of the defensive base Rafa's given the team, and wins the League Cup.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13869 on: June 26, 2019, 07:51:10 pm »
Newcastle United are yet to make contact with any of their managerial targets but have drawn up a shortlist headed by Patrick Vieira, Steven Gerrard and Mikel Arteta.

They are also keen on Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe, but are not confident they will be able to persuade him to move to the North East, with Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce seen as fallback options at this stage.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13870 on: June 26, 2019, 08:33:07 pm »
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13871 on: June 26, 2019, 08:38:42 pm »
Newcastle United are yet to make contact with any of their managerial targets but have drawn up a shortlist headed by Patrick Vieira, Steven Gerrard and Mikel Arteta.

They are also keen on Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe, but are not confident they will be able to persuade him to move to the North East, with Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce seen as fallback options at this stage.

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IF that is true, Sean Dyche should want to rip Ashley's fucking head off for having him as a 'fall-back' option in that group. I'm not a fan of his, but he does have experience in the PL, and he isn't Steve Bruce.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13872 on: June 26, 2019, 09:16:55 pm »
Don’t forget Anfield needed upgrading or a new stadium built too. So again a good comparison when it comes to the valuations.

Ashley always refused to sell when they were relegated as he’d have lost a packet. It’s why he doubled down and allowed the wage bill to be so high for the Championship, so they’d get back up.

As for why it’s not sold - it’s not exactly a huge pool of people/businesses who want to throw £300m (and then possibly more) at a football club. Even less who then actually show they have the funds. We had this issue too both when Moores tried to sell and when Hicks and co tried to.

I'm not a regular matchgoer, so I don't know how much of a comparison Anfield is; but the impression I've got reading these past few pages is that St James Park doesn't just need an upgrade parse, but it's deteriorated quite a bit since Ashley took over, in a similar manner to Old Trafford.

None of Anfield is really that old, and I'm only guessing but I imagine FSG has made sure that what is there is at least in decent condition?

As for the second part of your post, then you're basically saying £300m is too much for the club, which is what we were wrangling over.  £350m was the actual price Ashley wanted I believe?  Far too much.  Newcastle has potential but it doesn't have the global appeal of a club like Liverpool or United.  Ashley's already on the verge of pricing his own club's fanbase out of their own club.  Any new owner stands to lose a shedload in the initial years.

Like I said, if Ashley was serious about selling he'd drop the price to £280m at least, maybe £250m.  For a yo-yo club with a championship team and needing stadium improvements, that's about as much as they're worth imo - at least if the owner wants something left over to actually invest in the club.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13873 on: June 26, 2019, 09:21:39 pm »
IF that is true, Sean Dyche should want to rip Ashley's fucking head off for having him as a 'fall-back' option in that group. I'm not a fan of his, but he does have experience in the PL, and he isn't Steve Bruce.

You don't understand.  The "fall-back" group is the actual manager list after everyone else laughs in Ashley's fat, piggy face and tells him to f-off.

Going after Gerrard is like when Everton tried to sign Alan Shearer on the last day of the transfer window - unrealistic bollocks.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13874 on: June 26, 2019, 09:32:11 pm »

So it begins...

'Newcastle’s Ayoze Perez eyeing Valencia transfer after Rafa Benitez departure' - https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/1143963891749097472

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/newcastle-transfer-news-ayoze-perez-valencia-rafa-benitez-latest-a8975631.html


Given the state of the club, and Rafa leaving, it's not surprising that some of the better players will be considering their options...
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13875 on: June 26, 2019, 09:54:42 pm »
I'd say that's about right.

They had about a £180m turnover and their general numbers are pretty well in check. Ours was around £200m I think when they bought us but we also had plenty of financial issues which dropped the price down. TV income was nowhere near what it is now too, which is a sure fire income stream so bound to push prices up.
they also don’t have the debt levels we have, plus they don’t need to spend on expanding the stadium/building a new one

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13876 on: June 26, 2019, 09:55:51 pm »
Thought Sheffield United or Brighton would be the first down next season but looks like these lot are going to get that honour.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13877 on: June 26, 2019, 09:57:22 pm »
i think there was a few things other than gate revenue that got Hodgson sacked.

Blackburn away the fans made it clear and I think had he stayed in charge for the United FA cup match we would have been utterly humiliated
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13878 on: June 26, 2019, 10:54:40 pm »
So, using the matchday revenue figures for the 2017/18 as an example, together with a 25% reduction in attendance (which has been mentioned in previous comments)...

Do you think that a 25% reduction (13,000 seats) on the £23.9m turnover for matchday, amounting to £5.98m, would be enough for Ashley to throw the towel in? Bearing in mind that the overall turnover for that period was £178.5m. Not to mention the fact he's allegedly got a net worth of £2.5 billion.

Sorry, but I don't.

It's all about the Premier League with Ashley.


He doesn't give a flying fuck about the sport or the Premier League.He is an glorified shop owner who has now turned into an asset and pension stripping low life.

Hitting his shops and websites are the only ways to hurt him.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - Benitez on his way
« Reply #13879 on: June 26, 2019, 11:02:22 pm »
Do the Newcastle fans have anything organised protest wise that might have an impact of are they going down the utd route, which is completely half arsed and not going to have any effect?