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No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« on: August 27, 2012, 04:14:19 pm »
If you’re on twitter you’ll have no doubt seen a stat flying around about Liverpool’s average age yesterday. At kick off it was around 24 years of age.

By the time Lucas was replaced by Shelvey it came down again.

Raheem Sterling rightfully is the name on the tip of everyone’s tongue right now after consecutive starts in european competition and against the league champions at just 17. But there’s youthful exuberance all the way through this team. And all the way through the club.

Look beyond our 17 year old sensation and you’ll find young players chomping at the bit and making genuine claims for a more sustained part in Rodgers’ first team plans.

In just about every area of the team there is a young player pushing very hard for first team minutes.

It’s perhaps best to start at the beginning.

You’d be forgiven for not classing Martin Kelly as a young player any more. He’s an England international after all. But at 22 he’s still a pup in terms of defenders. An area of the pitch which like the auld arse thread, tends to have a minimum age requirement.

Kelly made his debut for Liverpool 5 seasons ago. There’s been a lot of water under the bridge in that time, but Kelly’s progress has been largely unabated. Getting games on the flank has enabled him, at 22, to be relatively experienced for his age. 50 apps at 22 is no mean feat.

Whether or not his future remains on the right or whether he should be moving in to the middle is a discussion for another thread. But although Kelly might not a part of the current crop of upstarts, he is very much a part of LFC’s future.

Bringing the average age of this post down just slightly is Sebastian Coates.

Copa America winner, young player of the tournament, 2 time Uruguayan league champion and 21 year old. Not a bad wrap sheet for one so young is it?

Sterling will garner a lot of the attention given the week he’s had. But perhaps the most important performance from a young player this week came from Coates against Man City. Here was a player being dropped in the deep end against arguably the finest front line in the league (minus Aguero) and well, he swam, didnt he?

And he needed to. Coates is a player who has a spot ahead of him that’s there to be earned as Carragher nears retirement. But it still needs to earned. It wont be gifted to him. Not by Rodgers and more immediately, not by Carra.

Yesterdays performance will have done him no harm in any regard.

Now, seeing as we’re talking defenders im sure you’re expecting some talk about a certain pair of scouse fullbacks at this point. Not quite yet, but we’ll get there.

Our ‘young vets’ continues apace with Henderson and Allen. Hendo has amassed an incredible amount of experience for a lad his age. To be approaching 150 appearances and only turning 22 this summer is attention grabbing. The vast majority of them coming in the Premier League no less. Allen too has a similar amount of first team experience, but has traversed the leagues to collect it. From the conference up through League 1 and The Championship. Here are two young midfielders who have time and experience on their side. It’s a potent mix.

Now, if Henderson and Allen are a veritable elder statesmen of our youthful revolution, then Shelvey, despite being 2 years their junior, could surely be considered a ‘veteran’ himself.

20 years old and only 3 apps short of 100 senior appearances in professional football. Shelvey is young, but he’s not wet behind the ears.

Jonjo’s been playing first team football since he was 16. He was Charlton’s go to guy by the time he was 17. And he’d made his debut for Liverpool by 18.

Is there any wonder he’s got such confidence in his own ability?

We’ve looked at the defence and the midfield so let’s throw a forward in to the mix shall we?

Borini might not have the first team experience of those previously mentioned but the Italian is well travelled. He played, and scored goals, at just about every level he’s played at. Be it at youth level with Chelsea, in the Championship with Swansea or in Serie A with Roma.

Borini is a player who is not afraid to test himself it seems. His career progression has been clear and staggered. And there’s no reason to suggest it wont continue. The 21 year old certainly isn’t looking out of place so far and has already opened his LFC account.

There’s a pattern emerging with these players you feel. All are massively experienced for their age, not only in terms of first team appearances but also in the levels at which they’ve played. Borini’s played in Serie A and the Championship, Allen at just about every level in English football, Shelvey ditto. Kelly spent time at Huddersfield in League 1. Henderson too has dropped down the leagues and earned his stripes, as well as having masses of experience in the Prem. Coates has played in and won major international tournaments as well as seeing out successful league winning campaigns.

These players are young but by no means are they naive.

Added to that, with the exception of Kelly, they’ve all been bought in.

Which brings me on to the second half of this post. Academy graduates.

I’ll cover myself here by saying that yes, Raheem Sterling too has been transferred in to the club. But he didnt arrive as the player he is now.

Sterling walked through the doors as an immensely talented 15 year old. He looked the part right off the bat. But he’s not just sauntered to where he finds himself right now.

Talent will only get you so far, it can get you to the table but it wont get you fed. Sterling always had the talent, but it’s a talent that’s been honed and sculpted up at Kirkby.

His movement without the ball is now almost as good as it is with it at his feet. His application too can not be faulted. He knows when to press, when to cover. He doesnt complain to referee’s despite the rough treatment he gets. Sterling has been coached, and coached well.

Borrell, Segura, McParland and a host of others can feel very proud of the effect that their work is having on these young players. Their mark can be seen not only on Sterling but on the vast majority of the young lads they work with.

Seeing Raheem taking the stage against Man City yesterday put me in mind of of another players first Premier League start for Liverpool.

John Flanagan had a few tough games last season, not unreasonable for an 18/19 year old defender. But cast your minds back to that debut display against City and the potential is there too see.

Flanagan loves a tackle. That’s what he does. But he knows how to play football too. Borrell’s work has seen Flanagan reach a higher level then he might’ve without him. He’s much more comfortable with the ball at his feet as a result of the academy set up then he probably would have been without the staff currently employed there.

On the opposite flank we’ve got Jack Robinson. Like Sterling Robbo just looks the part. You dont become Liverpool’s youngest ever player without having a natural talent for the game.

Robinson just ‘gets it’. He knows how to defend. He’s got that instinct of when to get close to his man, when to get ahead of him and try and nick the ball and when to stand off. A more natural defender at his age I dont think we’ve seen since Carragher.

It’s at this point Id like to mention what I consider perhaps the most important aspect of the work being done at the academy.

Players like Robinson, Flanagan, Sterling and Morgan have all made their debut in their teens. They’re teenagers earning a lot of money and working in an industry notorious for producing playboys. It’s easy for a young footballer to get ahead of himself.

But you cant see it with these players.

All of them, to a man, have a stellar attitude and approach. They’ve worked very hard to get to the stage they’re at at such a tender age, and appear to have had a philosophy of hard work application imprinted on to them.

Borrell demands as much. And going off of a recently released sneak peak at the forthcoming LFC documentary, should their attitude waver at any point in their promotion, Rodgers will soon remind them of their need to centre themselves.

There’s always a temptation to look down the line with young players. Now that Sterling is a fully paid up member of the first team and Morgan too seems to be catching the manager’s eye people will inevitably look to who’s next.

There are players there who might not be too far behind. Players with similar talent levels. Suso, McLaughlin, Sama, Wisdom, Ibe all went on tour. If Ngoo keeps up his scoring rate then he will surely put himself in contention. Jordan Lussey looks every bit the Liverpool FC midfielder as he captains the U18 team.

But it’s always worth bringing it back to the here and now.

And right here, right now, we’ve increasingly got a squad of young, hungry, promising players who look like they have a real future in the game. I dont think it really hits home until you see them listed.

Flanagan
Kelly
Coates
Robinson
Shelvey
Allen
Henderson
Sterling
Borini
Morgan

All 22 and under. 5 of them academy graduates. All making their way in our first team squad.

Rodgers has part inherited and part building a young squad rich in talent who can provide a base to build on for years to come. If that doesn’t get you excited going forward than nothing will.

Moneyball, philosophy, call it what you like but seeds are being sewn. It might be this season if we’re really lucky. It might be next, or the one after that. But sooner or later these players will blossom.

Start looking forward to it.

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 04:27:31 pm »
Lovely post mate. Coming from you, who's watched more youth football than most of us, I'd hardly argue with any of the points there. Exciting times ahead, and this goes without mentioning other absolutely exciting names like Suso, Texeira, Smith, Sinclair, Ibe, Wisdom, Sama, Lussey and others coming in from the lower age groups.

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 04:41:10 pm »
Lovely post mate. Coming from you, who's watched more youth football than most of us, I'd hardly argue with any of the points there. Exciting times ahead, and this goes without mentioning other absolutely exciting names like Suso, Texeira, Smith, Sinclair, Ibe, Wisdom, Sama, Lussey and others coming in from the lower age groups.

I think it goes beyond the Ressies and Academy now.

Through all the talk of what our club's philosophy will be, it seems like its almost happened without anyone taking much note of it.

Maxi, Dirk, Bellamy, Aurelio have moved on and they appear to have been not only replaced, but replaced by younger version's of themselves.

For Dirk read Borini, for Aurelio there's Robinson and for Bellamy, Sterling. Assaidi coming in for Maxi maybe?

The average age comes down and while you may initially see a drop in quality, what you get is a more secure future.

It'll hopefully be like Arsenal 2.0.

It all depends on keeping them together as they grow and develop. You can sell them as they're starting bare fruit as Arsenal do, but if you can keep them together you can hopefully build a team that stays and plays together for around 4-5 years.

That sort of familiarity with each other is a cornerstone of success. If you can have a generation of players coming of age together, in a system that suits them, under a manager that can bring the best out of them. Well, it's not sounding too bad.

It's all well and good in theory though, only time will tell if it takes.

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 04:57:04 pm »
I think we see here a reason Rodgers was brought in. He's been coaching for a long time - he knows how to handle young players. Arguably the best man to do so. I know some people had issue with him 'claiming credit' for Sterling a bit. But I think he saw how talented Sterling was and knew that out of the academy/reserve players, he was the one most likely to be used as he is the most talented. Therefore, by undoubtedly being a bit forward with him (if the clip is anything to go by) and praising the efforts he has made to play the Rodgers way, it is an example to the rest of the lads that Rodgers isn't going to be picking off talent alone - you need to earn it. This is even more noticeably shown by his handling of Morgan. Like the OP so rightly says, football with it's high wages is notorious for developing 'playboys'. By openly praising Morgan's professional and mature attitude, even handing him an appearance in a competitive senior game, he is saying to the other lads, it's as much about attitude as it is talent if you want your chance.

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 05:01:47 pm »
Great stuff mate, thanks for taking the time and making the effort - much appreciated!

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 05:07:28 pm »
Great thread really enjoyed reading that.  Shows the depth we have at youth level and should we continue to progress, we'll have a great solid side full of experience of playing together.  Very exciting times ahead (hopefully succesful!!! )

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2012, 05:12:34 pm »
Great post Cpt. Great read.

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2012, 05:17:37 pm »
Looked at the title and thought "another over-analysis thread" but got to say I really enjoyed that.

Yesterday's game has lifted me a lot re. LFC (not as much as a win, though >:() and this has lifted me so much further.

I think this post is great and will have really caught the mood of many LFC fans today.

Well done.

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 05:27:29 pm »
I think we see here a reason Rodgers was brought in. He's been coaching for a long time - he knows how to handle young players. Arguably the best man to do so. I know some people had issue with him 'claiming credit' for Sterling a bit. But I think he saw how talented Sterling was and knew that out of the academy/reserve players, he was the one most likely to be used as he is the most talented. Therefore, by undoubtedly being a bit forward with him (if the clip is anything to go by) and praising the efforts he has made to play the Rodgers way, it is an example to the rest of the lads that Rodgers isn't going to be picking off talent alone - you need to earn it. This is even more noticeably shown by his handling of Morgan. Like the OP so rightly says, football with it's high wages is notorious for developing 'playboys'. By openly praising Morgan's professional and mature attitude, even handing him an appearance in a competitive senior game, he is saying to the other lads, it's as much about attitude as it is talent if you want your chance.
I said earlier in the Summer that I think the men(the eminent people in football) who were responsible for Rodgers' recommendation were most likely Segura/McParland/Borrell. If you look at Werner's comments right after his appointment(and Segura's shift in roles behind the scenes as well as other noises during the manhunt), it would make sense. Also- the appointment itself points to continuity from the youth to the 1st team.

Here was a manager who had the same or almost similar philosophy to what was already laid down by Rafa and his appointments as well as his revolution. A man who would provide a clear bridge/path from Reserve/Academy level onto 1st team level and what he proposes was already being drilled into the lads. Kenny- as much as I love him- had a system and style of play which, while still allowing some players from the youth to come through- didn't allow for the almost seemless transition into the 1st team. We played a different system in the 1st team and some players would not really fit as easily into that formation as others. With Rodgers, his principles- and his faith in youth- it's just more natural.

Everything seems to have fallen in place for us at the right time within our history and circumstances and it's mostly due to Rafa, Kenny, Borrell, Segura, McParland and the current owners. Just hope it can continue and that we don't take for granted the efforts of these great men.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 05:29:03 pm by the_red_pill »
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In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

But he'd make the shortlist

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 05:43:13 pm »
20 years old and only 3 apps short of 100 senior appearances in professional football. Shelvey is young, but he’s not wet behind the ears.

Jonjo’s been playing first team football since he was 16. He was Charlton’s go to guy by the time he was 17. And he’d made his debut for Liverpool by 18.


I had no idea he had played that much football. Brilliant to have a player like him in the squad, youthful and experienced relative to his age.

And I think Rafa will be proud of what's coming out of our youth set up. Well done Rafa too

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2012, 05:46:44 pm »
Thanks Cpt Reina - enjoyed reading that and the points you make. 

The approach bodes well for us in attracting youngsters with potential too.  They'll see the evidence and understand that, if they put in the effort, the opportunities are there for them.

I liked Brendan's comment yesterday - "I said when I first came here, I won't judge people on their status or what they've done, it's about what I see now in front of me, and he's a young player who's improved every single day since I came in here.".  With that attitude, the young lads will continue to get opportunities, if they put the work in.

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2012, 06:16:49 pm »
Thanks for taking the time to post - as you say, the attitude of the players is as welcome to see as their talent.
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2012, 06:24:33 pm »
The other part of that statistic is that our lineup was the youngest since 2003.

Says a lot about our transfer dealings, academy, and previous managers.  Along with our current manager.
If you look at it this way, it's a bit of an eye-opener. Players who played against City:

Fabio Borini - 21
Joe Allen - 22
Sebastián Coates - 22
Martin Kelly - 22
Jonjo Shelvey - 20
Raheem Shaquille Sterling - 17

That's 6!
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In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

But he'd make the shortlist

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2012, 06:30:09 pm »
I would love to see that side listed in the OP play a competitive game, with Reina in goal as captain:

Reina
Flanagan
Kelly
Coates
Robinson
Shelvey
Allen
Henderson
Sterling
Borini
Morgan

If we get a decent draw in the league cup it would be great to see them given a chance, like Arsenal did a few seasons ago.

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2012, 06:32:36 pm »
Great summary of those players. Can't wait to see these players in 5 years time. Robinson is gonna be the next A.Cole. Bright future ahead
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 06:36:20 pm »
Cracking OP.

If whatever problems (still no contract?) seems to be surrounding Suso can be sorted out we will have another (of immense talent) to add to our midfield young guns. He's perhaps an example of your 'attitude' being as necessary as talent comment. Borrell seems to have zero tolerance in this regard. It's easy to wax lyrical about these young kids and get a little carried away - but they do seem to be an exceptional lot though.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2012, 06:36:50 pm »
Can't wait to read this later when I have a bit more time. One of the best posters on Rawk.
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2012, 08:25:46 pm »
With the new Prem League under-21 championship beginning this season, how many of our academy, reserve or fringe players will get game-time and does anyone think that this will aid their development?

I'm hopeful that this will be a lot better for them than some of the reserve sides they were playing against.  Please feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong!  I frequently am.
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2012, 09:18:18 pm »
brilliant and informative op,thanks for the time and effort
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2012, 09:40:25 pm »
Good post.All we need is a young goal keeper to come through ;)

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2012, 02:47:26 am »
Cheers for the great post. Very promising indeed. Best time for Rodgers to mould them into reliable cogs in the Red machine for years to come

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No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2012, 03:09:50 am »
Great OP. Never considered it before but we went toe to toe with the league champions with all those young pups. The next few years should be something special seeing these kids grow.
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2012, 03:18:48 am »
Thats great isn't it. I was worried that we would have a manager who didn;t know what to do with them, but my gut feeling is that Rodgers knows how to coach them and he will coach them well if what we have seen so far is anything to go by.

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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2012, 03:24:30 am »
One of the best OP's I've read in a while. Gives tremendous perspective and a reminds us all that there is a lot to look forward to. Well done mate. Bravo.  :wellin
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2012, 03:30:33 am »
Great post, Captain Reina, and it is a true joy to see these young players coming through, and to realize there are more talented and committed players to come along behind. For they youngsters, just seeing the chances that are being given, and taken, by their peers must be inspirational.
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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2012, 07:13:07 am »
A little thanks to Rafael Benitez for making the changes.
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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2012, 07:22:24 am »
Enjoyed that and got educated at the same time. Great stuff.
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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2012, 07:24:28 am »
A little thanks to Rafael Benitez for making the changes.
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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2012, 10:11:54 am »
Enjoyed that post, thanks.
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2012, 10:42:47 am »
Thanks for that, good post.

Our academy and young buys have indeed been beyond impressive the last couple of years, and one could worry about whether it'll continue now that Pep Segura has left us.

However, with the current crop of both 20-22 year olds, but also 15-20 year olds, there's basis for a golden decade! Brendan Rodgers looks like the perfect man to bring them through to the first team with his idea of "good enough is old enough" which was obvious when we in our second league match with him, against the champions and after a 0-3 loss the last game, still chose to start with the youngest XI in almost ten years. That is quite simply unheard of and shows the size of the balls on that man!

So where do we go from here? The idea that both Rodgers, FSG and most of us fans believe the most in, is to look to Barca and perhaps start implementing the tactics and strategy of the first team in the youth team all the way down to the youngest. Possession football, studying angles and zones, high and intense pressure and fluent passing should and will become the main things to learn in the academy. A football philosophy that stretches from the far one end of the club to the other, seems to be the 'easiest' way to becoming a football dynasty again. And it have all just begun!

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2012, 10:59:25 am »
Superb OP and a great outlook on the future of the club, nice to read positive news and posts in this thread to.
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2012, 11:54:28 am »
Excellent OP, I agree with the comments on Robinson, think he has got all the attributes to be a very, very good player for us.

If, and it is an if at the moment these lads go on and fulfill their promise we have the making of an excellent spine to the team for years to come.
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2012, 01:35:01 pm »
Brilliant.
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2012, 01:50:00 pm »
A little thanks to Rafael Benitez for making the changes.

We know its all thanks to rafa and his idealogy and changes made, but the more I hear BR talk about our youth players, the more credit he likes to take and claiming its his work. is he always going to be on self promotion....!!!
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2012, 01:50:01 pm »
Me likey. It's been a long journey but finally the fruits are showing.

Very good OP.

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2012, 01:50:49 pm »
I'm more proud of the Liverpool academy than anything else about the club at the moment, and that's not a slight to the club, but a testament to just how good the academy is. I hope they keep up the work and keep producing talented kids with the right attitudes and that hunger and drive to succeed.
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2012, 02:01:39 pm »
Thank you Rafa.
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2012, 02:14:58 pm »
Excellent stuff, Cpt!

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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2012, 02:18:13 pm »
Nuri Sahin has said it best...

Right place, right time.

Excellent time to be a LFC fan, we're on the up baby  8)
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Re: No fooling LFC’s children of the revolution
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2012, 02:28:57 pm »
We know its all thanks to rafa and his idealogy and changes made, but the more I hear BR talk about our youth players, the more credit he likes to take and claiming its his work. is he always going to be on self promotion....!!!

Oh goodness  ::)