Topic: Harvey Elliott (Harvey Daniel James Elliott)

[Coolie High]

Harvey isn't lightning fast by any stretch, but people also talk about him sometimes as though he's snail paced, which isn't really true either. And he has quick feet too, which is basically as important when we usually don't have much space to run into behind opposition defences anyway.

And does Salah really even have the same pace he used to anyway? - Its extremely rare you just see him burn past or run away from players anymore.

Personally I think Harvey could offer a lot as a sub for Salah, or starting the odd game in that position. He's far better suited to that than anywhere else he's played.

No he’s very slow, not comparable to Salah who is still very fast.

[Coolie High]

But would you agree or disagree that that's a position he could still cover well or be best suited to? To me, he doesn't work in midfield (been a huge critic of him there from the start because of how much it throws the rest of the team off balance) or off the left. Personally don't think there's as much difference in what the current version of Salah offers and what Harvey could offer off the right wing though.

Current version of Salah 7 in 19 in the league and 7 goals in 6 CL games, you think Elliot can offer that?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

No he’s very slow, not comparable to Salah who is still very fast.

He isn't very slow,he wasn't when people claimed he was after not watching him on loan and he isn't now.

[Coolie High]

He isn't very slow,he wasn't when people claimed he was after not watching him on loan and he isn't now.

He is for me, he’s slower than every attacker and midfielder we have bar Fabinho. If he was nippy like Bernardo or David Silva it would be different but athletically he’s certainly one of the worst players in our squad, he has everything else though and would be right at the other end of the spectrum if we were talking about technique and intelligence.

My hope is he gets faster and stronger with age because as a footballer there are few better in our squad. Think when we we put some physicality and athleticism around him he’ll be better also his passing and ability on the ball is so good  at young age it’s worth persisting with him.

[RedBec1993]

He isn't very slow,he wasn't when people claimed he was after not watching him on loan and he isn't now.

In the championship where the intensity and speed of the game is nowhere near the same as premier league.

I like Harvey but he is very slow which puts him at a disadvantage.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

In the championship where the intensity and speed of the game is nowhere near the same as premier league.

I like Harvey but he is very slow which puts him at a disadvantage.

Do you watch many top Championship games,the players are no slower,mental shout.

I can also remember how good he was when the team was purring,he was arguably one of the best players on the pitch,in a side that as I said,was purring.

[decosabute]

Current version of Salah 7 in 19 in the league and 7 goals in 6 CL games, you think Elliot can offer that?

When I said I don't think there's much difference in what they can offer, I meant more in terms of profile of player. I don't think that Harvey can offer the numbers yet that even this poorer version of Salah can, no. But if you read my posts prior to that one, I'm calling for Elliott to be his understudy and a rotation option, not someone to replace him.

I also completely disagree that Salah is some lightning quick player anymore. I think he's lost some of the pace he had. Still obviously a great attacker when the system is functioning around him, but he's not as explosive as he was. And it's less relevant anyway, when we haven't been a counter attacking team for years, and often don't have space to run into behind opposition defences.

[jepovic]

He is for me, he’s slower than every attacker and midfielder we have bar Fabinho. If he was nippy like Bernardo or David Silva it would be different but athletically he’s certainly one of the worst players in our squad, he has everything else though and would be right at the other end of the spectrum if we were talking about technique and intelligence.

My hope is he gets faster and stronger with age because as a footballer there are few better in our squad. Think when we we put some physicality and athleticism around him he’ll be better also his passing and ability on the ball is so good  at young age it’s worth persisting with him.

Not really. He's extremely one-footed, and not much of a dribbler. Gakpo gets a lot of criticism, but he's better than Harvey already.
A lot of the praise comes from Harvey's personality, not his actual performance.

[MD1990]

Whenever Eliott is isolated you think he will lose the ball & a liability 1v1 both in attack & in defence.
He needs to start creating more chances in the final thors to justify his limatations.

[Knight]

I can’t decide if Elliot is that good technically. He can pass the ball, that’s for sure. But press resistance and dribbling, I’m less sure about.

[tubby]

I can’t decide if Elliot is that good technically. He can pass the ball, that’s for sure. But press resistance and dribbling, I’m less sure about.

I think he's really good technically, it's just his physicality which gets him into trouble, he's slow to turn and get away and doesn't have any real power.  Just needs to work on finding pockets of space to operate in, which is why I keep banging this drum about playing him as a 10.

[Schmidt]

I think he's really good technically, it's just his physicality which gets him into trouble, he's slow to turn and get away and doesn't have any real power.  Just needs to work on finding pockets of space to operate in, which is why I keep banging this drum about playing him as a 10.

Has he ever been used as a 10? He's very one footed and when given a midfield role he inevitably ends up drifting into Mo's position all game, if he's played as a 10 it's hard to see him not just doing the same.

Reminds me of Coutinho being called a 10 over and over despite rarely playing there.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Not really. He's extremely one-footed, and not much of a dribbler. Gakpo gets a lot of criticism, but he's better than Harvey already.
A lot of the praise comes from Harvey's personality, not his actual performance.

One footed,you have to be fishing.

[RyanBabel19]

Don’t think i’ve ever seen a youngster slated so much by our fanbase… to the point even his qualities are downplayed. How the fuck can anyone question the lads technique

He’s got outstanding technique and anyone who thinks he hasn’t i’d encourage you to go all the way back to when he was at Blackburn AND first getting minutes for us and watch from there onwards. Us having issues in midfield doesn’t take away from the fact he has enormous potential]

One footed has got to be one of the most stupid criticisms in football, so many greats didn’t use their weak foot much at all and NOT being one footed is so common players who use both regularly often get lauded for it. Trossard is the latest to be praised for being two footed, see also Lallana and Cazorla

[WhereAngelsPlay]

They're talking absolute bollocks as well,the lad is as two footed as they come.

[RyanBabel19]

They're talking absolute bollocks as well,the lad is as two footed as they come.

He uses both and even if he didn’t, wtf does it have to do with half the stuff being discussed you can play any position effectively while being one footed, people have done and will continue to as long as football exists.

[El Lobo]

Genuinely staggering considering this season that people are still looking at him as one of the problems, rather than one of the very few bright points.

[RyanBabel19]

Genuinely staggering considering this season that people are still looking at him as one of the problems, rather than one of the very few bright points.

Mate. some have been complaining about Thiago ffs, no ones off limits it seems

[tubby]

They're talking absolute bollocks as well,the lad is as two footed as they come.

Whilst I think he can use his right foot fine for a lefty, he's nowhere near as two-footed as someone like Lallana or Doak.

[RyanBabel19]

Whilst I think he can use his right foot fine for a lefty, he's nowhere near as two-footed as someone like Lallana or Doak.

Which doesn't really matter at all, it's just another stick to beat him with. Don't see our other attackers getting criticised for not being amazing with their weak foot. Lallana for example is one of the most two footed players you will find, it's like criticising Kelleher for not being on Alissons level at shot stopping

[El Lobo]

I dont think I've seen any occasion where he's struggled to make a pass with his right?

[tubby]

Which doesn't really matter at all, it's just another stick to beat him with. Don't see our other attackers getting criticised for not being amazing with their weak foot. Lallana for example is one of the most two footed players you will find, it's like criticising Kelleher for not being on Alissons level at shot stopping

Yeah absolutely, I've mentioned his lack of speed and power before, but not once have I thought he's completely one-footed, agree it's just another stick to beat him with.  But at the same time, defending that by saying he's as two-footed as they come is weird too.

[Funky_Gibbons]

It’s interesting that it’s almost always predominantly left-footed players who are accused of being one-footed. Salah’s had it, Robertson and now Elliot.

You never see posts saying Jota, Diaz, Firmino doesn’t use their left foot enough.

[RyanBabel19]

It’s interesting that it’s almost always predominantly left-footed players who are accused of being one-footed. Salah’s had it, Robertson and now Elliot.

You never see posts saying Jota, Diaz, Firmino doesn’t use their left foot enough.

To be fair although I agree with the rest, Jota is stupidly good with both feet. Another player like Lallana and Cazorla that people could be forgiven for not knowing which is his strongest foot

[Draex]

I dont think I've seen any occasion where he's struggled to make a pass with his right?

Wait so he's left footed primarily? You learn something new every day.

Elliot is a great talent, still only 19.. De Bruyne at that age was playing for Genk.

[Funky_Gibbons]

To be fair although I agree with the rest, Jota is stupidly good with both feet. Another player like Lallana and Cazorla that people could be forgiven for not knowing which is his strongest foot

But you could basically put any of our right footed players in that list and you'll not see any comments about them being 'one footed'.

It's just something that only appears to be levelled at our left footed players.

[RyanBabel19]

But you could basically put any of our right footed players in that list and you'll not see any comments about them being 'one footed'.

It's just something that only appears to be levelled at our left footed players.

Yeah i'm agreeing with you, just saying maybe exclude Jota from the list as he doesn't apply

[smurfinaus]

But you could basically put any of our right footed players in that list and you'll not see any comments about them being 'one footed'.

It's just something that only appears to be levelled at our left footed players.

Robbo,Mo and Harvey seem to be the only predominant left footers in the first team squad imho.. which it is why it looks more obvious when they get into a position where they might be better off using the opposite foot ie how many times we seen Mo miss a scoring chance in a position where using his weaker foot would have been better option . And then there is Riise from years gone by... left footed as they come

In regards with Harvey, i am wondering what Klopps plan was for him originally. He has the creative progressive passing we want but little else at this point and tries his heart out regardless of his lack of physical presence needed in midfield. Everyone seems to think he needs to be a no.10. Where else would he fit?. a bobby lite perhaps?.

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Been sick of people talking shit about the lad. He's not a CM and showed for Blackburn he's dangerous if you put him further forward. He knows where the goal is.

[Schmidt]

Been sick of people talking shit about the lad. He's not a CM and showed for Blackburn he's dangerous if you put him further forward. He knows where the goal is.

This is exactly what the conversation has been about though isn't it? I've been pretty consistent in my opinion that he needed to be dropped from the midfield and didn't look at all capable of that role, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have talent or that we don't want him to succeed.

He looks much better as a right forward, he's just unfortunate that our current right forward happens to be near unbreakable and so he tends to play everywhere other than his favoured position.

[gazzalfc]

Probably the only player to come away from that with any credit.

[nerdster4]

Been doing well further upfront . When Nunez fully fit it should be Gakpo on the bench

[RyanBabel19]

Pesky one footed players

[AmanShah21]

This place can be mental sometimes. If anything he has been one of the bright spots. Improving game by game, looks after the ball, always available for a pass and his passing has been good. He isnt the problem. He is part of the solution for me. With a little more experience, he'll be able to influence the game more but is doing all the basics asked of him.

Our 2 biggest issues right now is the defensive positions and attitude of most of our senior midfielders and the chemistry between our forwards. That cannot be solved overnight. The more the forwards play together, the more they will improve. There's less instinctive play right now because of our original front 3 or even the starting front 3 at the end of last season, only Mo has been available to play. The midfield was better until the subs. That is the big concern because there's no easy/quick solution there either. Naby has done well coming in and with Cody and Ox, we have the 3 we are allowed to add to CL squad. Fixing this before summer will be logistically difficult.

[Knight]

This is exactly what the conversation has been about though isn't it? I've been pretty consistent in my opinion that he needed to be dropped from the midfield and didn't look at all capable of that role, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have talent or that we don't want him to succeed.

He looks much better as a right forward, he's just unfortunate that our current right forward happens to be near unbreakable and so he tends to play everywhere other than his favoured position.

If we had a functional midfield we’d be so much better off playing Salah 10, Elliot wide right and then 2 6s. It’s just we don’t have any midfielders that could cover the ground necessary to play as 2 6s with Salah as a 10 (who won’t do all the defensive work Firmino used to do from his false 9 position). Nunez at 9 and Gapko wide left. It’d be very decent and would massively help Salah and Elliot.

[Dave McCoy]

If he can play as a functional LW then why did we need another LW?

[Ghost Town]

We are watching him develop, and improve, before our eyes. In years to come we will say we were there in his early days. Some might go back and delete posts, mind

[WhereAngelsPlay]

If he can play as a functional LW then why did we need another LW?

Same old shit.

You need new material ffs.

[Coolie High]

Same old shit.

You need new material ffs.

He acts as if we’re only allowed to make one signing per window or something.

[Draex]

I’d love to see Harvey behind Salah and Nunez in a 4231. He’s got lovely vision and movement. Not sure he’s got the pace for out wide.

Konate, Elliot, Bajcetic, Nunez is a young core to rebuild around for sure.