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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29480 on: April 21, 2024, 10:19:58 pm »
How many of those were under the supervision of laptop Edwards? None I think.

We'll be riding high again soon, and there will be way fewer Endos or Gravenberch's in our near future I'd wager.

Hard to predict on Salah atm but it would seem a divorce this summer *might* suit all parties.
That was KH's point - we spent on players that didn't seem to fit us 100%.

I'd classify Endo as a success, considering he was a stop-gap buy intended for the Milner role; he was not first choice DM.
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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29481 on: April 21, 2024, 10:29:09 pm »
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How many of those were under the supervision of laptop Edwards? None I think.

We'll be riding high again soon, and there will be way fewer Endos or Gravenberch's in our near future I'd wager.

Hard to predict on Salah atm but it would seem a divorce this summer *might* suit all parties.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29482 on: April 22, 2024, 08:24:37 am »
Yes, because Edwards always got it right...4

TBF it was a pretty spectacular hit rate on transfers.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29483 on: April 22, 2024, 08:42:52 am »
32 in June if we could get a big fee from Saudi circa £100m I think he'll be gone.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29484 on: April 22, 2024, 08:56:22 am »
Nunez, Ramsey, Carvalho, Gakpo, Endo, Gravenberch, Mac Allister and Szobozslai are our transfers with an outlay of over £230m. At this moment I dont think we can say its money proven well spent. Hence why I am reluctant to the idea of selling top players until we prove we can get our transfer mojo back.
Too early to call IMO.
Endo and Mac have been fantastic value for money, top signings.
Gakpo has also been good.
Szobo and Nunez are talented but havent really found their feet yet. I think they have the tools to become world class though.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29485 on: April 22, 2024, 10:09:30 am »
Too early to call IMO.
Endo and Mac have been fantastic value for money, top signings.
Gakpo has also been good.
Szobo and Nunez are talented but havent really found their feet yet. I think they have the tools to become world class though.

It's absolute mental to me that someone who has got a goal involvement every 99 mins this season (Nunez) whilst hitting the post a record number of times (i.e. with 1% better finishing would be the best in the league) is still being seen as  "hasn't really found their feet".  Mane never got close to a sub 100 minute goal involvement, for instance (his best is one every 110 mins whilst outperforming his xG - he only outperformed his xG twice in 6 seasons, as well, so its not like Mane was consistently better than his xG) - yet many on here would still consider him as being one of our best players in our best team in the PL era.

Is it that Nunez cost (significantly) more than our usual 35ish million we have spent on all the rest of our attackers, meaning that people see his misses and hitting of the post as being worse - and that they have higher expectations as well?  He has literally played the equivalent of 21 full games and has 11 goals and 8 assists - again, comparing him to Mane after 2 seasons, he had 49 full games of minutes, and had 23 goals and 12 assists (if we include Nunez last season, he is up to 39 games, with 20 and 11 - so 4 fewer goal involvements in 10 fewer games, playing last season in a much more dysfunctional side).  It is clear he has made a step forward this year with his all round game, as well as his scoring and assisting, whilst still missing a decent chunk of chances.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29486 on: April 22, 2024, 11:26:45 am »
It's absolute mental to me that someone who has got a goal involvement every 99 mins this season (Nunez) whilst hitting the post a record number of times (i.e. with 1% better finishing would be the best in the league) is still being seen as  "hasn't really found their feet".  Mane never got close to a sub 100 minute goal involvement, for instance (his best is one every 110 mins whilst outperforming his xG - he only outperformed his xG twice in 6 seasons, as well, so its not like Mane was consistently better than his xG) - yet many on here would still consider him as being one of our best players in our best team in the PL era.

Is it that Nunez cost (significantly) more than our usual 35ish million we have spent on all the rest of our attackers, meaning that people see his misses and hitting of the post as being worse - and that they have higher expectations as well?  He has literally played the equivalent of 21 full games and has 11 goals and 8 assists - again, comparing him to Mane after 2 seasons, he had 49 full games of minutes, and had 23 goals and 12 assists (if we include Nunez last season, he is up to 39 games, with 20 and 11 - so 4 fewer goal involvements in 10 fewer games, playing last season in a much more dysfunctional side).  It is clear he has made a step forward this year with his all round game, as well as his scoring and assisting, whilst still missing a decent chunk of chances.

If he had a goal involvement every 140 minutes but had missed half the number of 'big chances' that he's missed, people would be happier. Does that make sense? No.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29487 on: April 22, 2024, 12:02:15 pm »
TBF it was a pretty spectacular hit rate on transfers.

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« Reply #29488 on: April 22, 2024, 12:04:31 pm »
TBF it was a pretty spectacular hit rate on transfers.

Since Klopp they improved, but how much has that to do with Klopp's ability to get the most out of players?
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« Reply #29489 on: April 22, 2024, 12:10:30 pm »
That Salah we have come to know has gone for good. He might still provide goals and assist here and there but it will become less and less regular.

I think we will have to come to terms that his time with us is ending. We have got 8 amazing years from him and that is more than anyone could wished for.

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« Reply #29490 on: April 22, 2024, 12:15:58 pm »
Since Klopp they improved, but how much has that to do with Klopp's ability to get the most out of players?

We'll soon find out, it's impossible to tell as Klopp arriving meant Rodgers leaving, what is clear though is Firmino who Rodgers didn't rate or know where to play clearly was worldclass talent spotting.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29491 on: April 22, 2024, 12:24:04 pm »
32 in June if we could get a big fee from Saudi circa £100m I think he'll be gone.
I see this as less and less likely. The bloom is off the Saudi rose a bit. I understand the appeal to a Muslim superstar will be stronger, but read some of Benzema’s comments.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29492 on: April 22, 2024, 12:25:33 pm »
32 in June if we could get a big fee from Saudi circa £100m I think he'll be gone.

He has to want to go there.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29493 on: April 22, 2024, 07:12:03 pm »
32 in June if we could get a big fee from Saudi circa £100m I think he'll be gone.

Lots of posts in here wanting him to go to Saudi as that's where we will get most dosh for him.  Accepting money of the despotic regime because they will pay more.  It's sportswashing.
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« Reply #29494 on: April 22, 2024, 08:13:32 pm »
Lots of posts in here wanting him to go to Saudi as that's where we will get most dosh for him.  Accepting money of the despotic regime because they will pay more.  It's sportswashing.
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« Reply #29495 on: April 22, 2024, 09:19:07 pm »
He has to want to go there.

Who wouldn't want to go to such a progressive and delightful utopia?

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« Reply #29496 on: April 22, 2024, 10:15:10 pm »
Who wouldn't want to go to such a progressive and delightful utopia?

His Muslim, its a different world to non Muslims.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29497 on: April 22, 2024, 10:34:50 pm »
His Muslim, its a different world to non Muslims.

Bit of a broad stroke to assume all Muslims would be happy to live there though.

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Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Reply #29498 on: April 22, 2024, 11:06:17 pm »
Stevie, Hendo, Boby, Fabinho...
Most seem to accept stevie and hendo have tarnished their legacy. Stevie had already left us and hendo for the lbgtq+ issues.  Plenty seem OK with the dollars we did get though.  I get that we as fans can't do much about it.  Though we expect Newcastle fans to abandon their club.  I know being owned is a whole different kettle of fish. But there are fans that want salah to go to SA as they seemingly will give us most money.  Would rather take less and he went to a rival to be honest.  Obvs not city or Newcastle!
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« Reply #29499 on: Yesterday at 01:31:47 am »
I'm atheist, so is China, guess I'll be moving there, then.

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« Reply #29500 on: Yesterday at 02:17:10 am »
Most seem to accept stevie and hendo have tarnished their legacy. Stevie had already left us and hendo for the lbgtq+ issues.  Plenty seem OK with the dollars we did get though.  I get that we as fans can't do much about it.  Though we expect Newcastle fans to abandon their club.  I know being owned is a whole different kettle of fish. But there are fans that want salah to go to SA as they seemingly will give us most money.  Would rather take less and he went to a rival to be honest.  Obvs not city or Newcastle!
I see where you are coming from, but we hold many idealistic perceptions. Like in the past, "Alonso is a Basque, he won't go to Real", Hendo and Stevie examples above... But the reality is money talks. If we were to sell Salah, I'd want us to take the largest sum we can get, so we can be more efficient in rebuilding the team. As for his legacy, he should be the one worrying about that, not the fans. We will still have the Club to enjoy and support long after the current stars have moved on.
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« Reply #29501 on: Yesterday at 12:30:56 pm »
Most seem to accept stevie and hendo have tarnished their legacy. Stevie had already left us and hendo for the lbgtq+ issues.  Plenty seem OK with the dollars we did get though.  I get that we as fans can't do much about it.  Though we expect Newcastle fans to abandon their club.  I know being owned is a whole different kettle of fish. But there are fans that want salah to go to SA as they seemingly will give us most money.  Would rather take less and he went to a rival to be honest.  Obvs not city or Newcastle!

Agree with this. Fuck Saudi. Would rather we never did any business with them no matter how much they're offering.
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« Reply #29502 on: Yesterday at 12:34:03 pm »
Agree with this. Fuck Saudi. Would rather we never did any business with them no matter how much they're offering.

We already crossed that line with Henderson and Fabinho. If they come in with silly money he'll be sold it's as simple as that.
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« Reply #29503 on: Yesterday at 12:34:48 pm »
We already crossed that line with Henderson and Fabinho. If they come in with silly money he'll be sold it's as simple as that.

Yeah for sure he will. I'd just rather we didn't.
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« Reply #29504 on: Yesterday at 03:17:41 pm »
This obsession of selling one of the best performers and a thorough professional who still delivers on the big stage in order to "reinvest" in the team is just bizarre to me. More so with the team in transition and Klopp leaving. There is just no need for a 'rushed' decision like this.

Perhaps I am getting too old for this shtick...

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« Reply #29505 on: Yesterday at 04:25:52 pm »
Agree with this. Fuck Saudi. Would rather we never did any business with them no matter how much they're offering.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, if you were in the seat when a £100 million offer comes in, and you're looking at the potential budget for new manager you're responsible for fixing... Cannot possibly say "no" to that.
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« Reply #29507 on: Today at 11:13:13 am »
This obsession of selling one of the best performers and a thorough professional who still delivers on the big stage in order to "reinvest" in the team is just bizarre to me. More so with the team in transition and Klopp leaving. There is just no need for a 'rushed' decision like this.

Perhaps I am getting too old for this shtick...

Because the only way we can consistently compete at the top is buy selling extremely well, we're not City or Newcastle.  Selling Coutinho to enable us to buy Van Dijk and Allisson being exhibit A.

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« Reply #29508 on: Today at 11:13:51 am »
Because the only way we can consistently compete at the top is buy selling extremely well, we're not City or Newcastle.  Selling Coutinho to enable us to buy Van Dijk and Allisson being exhibit A.

How do Arsenal and United do it?

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« Reply #29509 on: Today at 11:18:33 am »
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, if you were in the seat when a £100 million offer comes in, and you're looking at the potential budget for new manager you're responsible for fixing... Cannot possibly say "no" to that.
If I had John Henry's wealth . I try and sell elsewhere , even for £40/£50m less. But it would be hard to explain to the fans why I'd done that and thus couldn't afford a top notch replacement. And even though privately I'd let it be known, the legal implications of openly stating it would possibly stop me from doing it.
Still saddens me though the clamour to want him to go there as it's the most money. Be interesting how many would want him to go there even if he openly said he'd rather not.
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« Reply #29510 on: Today at 01:16:58 pm »
How do Arsenal and United do it?

Well their owners are much less stingy than ours for a start..

And with Arsenal I can only see it being shortlived.  United too really when City and Newcastle next start turning the screw.

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« Reply #29511 on: Today at 03:56:31 pm »
This obsession of selling one of the best performers and a thorough professional who still delivers on the big stage in order to "reinvest" in the team is just bizarre to me. More so with the team in transition and Klopp leaving. There is just no need for a 'rushed' decision like this.

Perhaps I am getting too old for this shtick...

He'll be 32 and going into the final year of his very big contract contract next season, so I think the discussion is completely understandable, especially if the new manager will be expecting a lot of pressing from the forwards.

I'm ambivalent about selling him to a Saudi team, I don't want us to support sportswashing but equally their spending doesn't appear to be achieving anything and any money they give us is money that won't be finding it's way to somewhere worse.

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