Author Topic: A Frank Assessment of Gerard Houllier (and the Men Tipped to Replace Him)  (Read 9002 times)

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Despite serious doubts about him still being the right man for the job, and while thinking the time was probably right for a change, I am still very saddened by Gerard Houllier's departure.

Idolised by all Liverpool fans three years ago, it seems a shame that it has come to an end like this. Having touched upon some of the reasons behind the headlines proclaiming GH's dismissal last week, I thought I'd look more closely at where things went wrong, the doubts many had about his ability to take us any further, and why rumours about him leaving - which seemed a little fanciful at the time - have turned out to be true.  Then I will cast my eye to how we replace him. The men being touted are mostly English managers unproven in Europe, or European managers unproven in England, so finding a replacement may not be the easiest of choices for the board.
 
As mentioned in most tributes, GH is exceptional at laying the foundations - that was proved with France. He is very adept at instilling young men with the correct attitudes, and helping them to achieve their best levels of play as individuals. I'm not so sure he is the most skilled at forming a team that is balanced in all areas of the game, in the way Arsene Wenger has done so admirably at Arsenal, and that is where he seemed to fail. Personally, I think GH could have improved on the last two seasons, but I didn't see him taking us to the heights most fans demand, or perhaps even getting close (a good stab at the title is all I want at this point in time). But I do see someone else working wonders with the majority of the squad he leaves behind, and judging by his comments in the recent past, that is something Gerard will be equally proud of; and should that day come, I do hope he gets the credit for all the good things he left in place upon his departure.

In 1998, at the time of his arrival, GH had some positive qualities that may be lacking in anyone else we may now appoint from the continent: he spoke English upon arrival, he followed English football with avid interest, and he stood on the Kop as a young man living and teaching in the city of Liverpool (this last point being impossible for any other foreign manager to match up to).

He also had one advantage a new man won't: a year as manager that he has struck from the record. It was unfair of Steve Morgan (whose public criticism led to the board making this decision) to include the ill-fated season of joint managership with Roy Evans in Houllier's "five year plan" - as GH cannot be blamed for the confusion such a foolish arrangement caused, and he arrived without time to recommend new signings (although he did agree to Evans signing Vegard Heggem). Having said that, it did allow GH a year at the club, to thoroughly assess the players, before starting out on wholesale changes in the summer of 1999, and 2004 was the end of that five year plan, if his quotes were meant in such a manner. A new manager won't have the luxury of a year to make assessments; the more forgiving (or perhaps just 'fair') among us will not expect instant dividends from a new man (but still hope for the improvement you get through new, fresh ideas, and from players trying to impress a new manager), but the club needs to appoint someone reasonably soon; while he won't be able to assess the players in Houllier's squad (and at the Academy) with the exception of those at Euro 2004, he will need the summer in charge to speak to people still at the club (hopefully Sammy Lee, who should be the assistant manager - the English link - to any foreign coach), and go away to work out who to bring in before the transfer deadline.

It was GH's natural caution that worried me most; champions tend to be brave - not foolishly gung-ho, but positive and brave. (Allegedly it's who fortune favours). An example in the Boro game recently was indicative of the problem of recent years. After the game, GH said we weren't going to chase a third goal (even though goal difference could still have been an issue) for fear of throwing the 2-0 lead away. He said such an approach had cost us dear in the past. It may have done (Man City on the penultimate game of 2002/03 springs to mind), but I think that in the past we let ourselves down more by being too negative when 1-0 up (especially at home) than we have thrown away leads with irresponsible play.

The main worry was the way we finished the Boro game. The best teams kill the opposition off, either by scoring more goals, or by keeping the ball. They do not hit and hoof and surrender possession lightly; after 60 minutes of some beautiful passages of pass-and-move, we suddenly reverted to Wimbledon circa 1986. All composure eeked from our play, and we gifted Boro cheap possesion constantly. Thankfully, we were up against a team with nothing to play for, so they weren't too bothered about taking us up on our generous offer of the ball every ten seconds. Even allowing for nerves and pressure, and while they may end games poorly, you could never imagine a team under Wenger or Ferguson ending a game by not at least trying to pass the ball along the ground.

From my own playing days as a semi-pro, one game sticks out in my mind - it taught me a  valuable lesson in football, and I often thought of it when watching Houllier's Liverpool (especially in the last two years), as it sums up our weaknesses. I was part of a young, fit side, who couldn't believe their luck when watching the opposition warming up before one cup game. We thought we were facing Dad's Army (not sure if overseas readers will get that reference, mind!). They were balding, or with grey hair; a couple had pot-bellies. One guy had a knee-brace so sturdy and mechanical that you imagined his lower leg would simply fall off if it were removed. Turns out they were a collection of aging top semi-pros and decent lower league pros. They ripped us to shreds; it was like playing eleven Jan Molbys, standing about in the sunshine making the ball do the work. Once a couple of goals up (admittedly one of their strikers and a couple of midfielders were younger, and nippy), they simply kept the ball for nearly all of the remainder of the game.

It taught me that experienced players offer something crucial to any side, and that keeping the ball - especially when in the lead - can exhaust even a young, fit opposition, while simultaneously stopping any chance of a comeback. Lately, Liverpool had neither had experience nor the ability to keep the ball (and I don't mean reverting to the pointless over-long possession, going nowhere, that became a fault under Roy Evans).

The lack of natural, intuitive interplay in our passing worried me. The majority of our side had been assembled during Houllier's first two seasons, and yet there appeared to be no real understanding blossoming between the players. Exceptions like at Birmingham in the final away game merely added to the frustration; it could be done, so why not often enough?

I retained a serious concern that GH could not handle older players who are capable of thinking for themselves. As assistant to Michel Platini he was reportedly ridiculed by his boss, and also Jean Tigana - two of the best players of their generation (Platini one of the best ever). A semi-professional ex-teacher was labelled the "Professor"; all his ideas were theoretical, like a general in an army who has never fought as a soldier. Perhaps it made GH acutely aware of his failings as a coach? - how could he tell the players that he knew how it felt to play in big games? He didn't.

So the side stayed young; players approached their mid-to-late-20s and were sold. The average age of our side should have been close to 27/28 at this point in GH's plan, where players younger and older even out to a nice level of all-round experience. In 2000 our average age was very low, at 24, but the future suggested, naturally, that by 2004 it should be around 28, the age nearly all top teams average-out at. It isn't. It is still far too low - probably still only 24. Gerard's obsession with laying foundations, building for the future, will serve us well in the future, but he merely kept postponing success in the present.

It is telling that although not outright successes individually during the Treble season, players like Ziege, Litmanen and Barmby were still canny pros in the prime of their careers, and they all played their parts. Fowler's experience in the big games told, with some crucial goals in his 17, at a time of the season Heskey's goals dried up (Fowler scoring in two separate semi finals, two separate finals, and the 'final' that was Charlton). Babbel was fresh from a top career at Bayern Munich and the Champions League final. Berger came back at the end of the season and set up goals for Mickey in several games. McAllister had the kind of experience that was priceless, and still had the legs to get about the field; he was like having a manager out on the pitch. All of these players were perhaps rightly replaced, for one reason or another; but they were nearly all replaced with the wrong players, or players too young to cope with what was expected of them. Gary Mac was perhaps GH's best bit of business, getting him for free, but he never replaced him.

The same season Arsene Wenger spent £10.5m on Thierry Henry GH paid that exact same amount on Emile Heskey. We got a good - occasionally great - but seriously flawed player for the same price Arsenal purchased the greatest attacking individual talent the Premiership has ever seen: a veritable one-man forward line; creator, winger and goalscorer surpreme, and a hugely driven man. (Danny Mills tried to wind him up, and Henry was like a man possessed - in a good way - and made it his personal mission to make Mills look like the yard-dog he is; and he did. And some...). Wenger signed Henry before Houllier signed Heskey, but I use it merely as an example of why Arsenal are so successful, and we have been so average. Wenger got it right, and Houllier didn't. Of course, GH signed Sami Hyypia for £2.6m and Wenger bought some real duffers, but on average, Wenger got it right more often.

We went for Anelka in 2002, who was promptly traded for a younger, less-experienced player from Senegal; GH perhaps fearing the Frenchman's temperament - and yet in the two years since that decision, Diouf is the one who has been booked countless times, has spat at opposing fans, come back late without explanation from the ANC, and broken club rules on late night drinking (while going a year without scoring). Anelka has been a bit moody, but has mostly scored lots of goals and linked play in that very clever way of his. Again, maybe Anelka would have been the wrong signing - who knows how it would have panned out? What is beyond question is that Diouf has been a major disappointment.

Owen, Gerrard, Heskey and Carragher all had outstanding seasons in 2000/01. Within the framework of experienced players from 25-35, the youngsters were not carrying huge weights on their shoulders. Suddenly there were even more young players surrounding them, and the older ones had mostly moved on. The pressure was all on those young shoulders.

Our only regular outfield elder statesmen are Sami and Didi - both great players, but neither seems capable of saying boo to the proverbial goose. Neither is a leader; both go about their business quietly and effectively. Sami was not a good captain, as he was simply too introverted. As soon as he was relieved of the burden, he rediscoverd his form; Gerrard, meanwhile, grew immensely under the pressure of the armband. A great decision by GH, but one which couldn't alone overturn some bad ones.

It's all very well wanting to start with young players you can indoctrinate with a professional approach, and who will look up to you and respect you in the way older players simply will not. But sometimes you need players capable of thinking for themselves once they cross that white line. GH seemed to like 'yes-men'. His teams were built around discipline, and while that makes sense, there wasn't always that little bit extra you need as well. You don't want egos out of control (self-obsessed prats like Paul Ince, or "Loadsamoney" fools like Kieran Dyer), but you do need 'big personalities'. Once they crossed the line, Souness, Dalglish, McDermott or Hansen didn't need to look to the bench for instructions. They were all of an age and a temperament where they knew what needed to be done, and one or two raw youngsters like Ian Rush and Ronnie Whelan flourished in their company. Perhaps it's unfair to compare the current side to our teams of the past, but unfortunately they remain the yardstick, and if it is impossible for us to ever match them, we have to look like at least coming close from time to time.

Look at Arsenal's current team, and you see a similar amount of character and experience to our early 1980s side running through their squad. Wenger assembled all of that squad, bar Bergkamp. And he did so with a lower average net-spend per year than GH assembled ours. Whoever wins the league each season becomes the other yardstick we are judged against. Alas, this year we weren't even close.

It remained the case that GH's two best players were Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard. He helped both become great players, and better men. Most crucially, he helped eradicate medical flaws in each, through his osteopath in France and specialist in Germany. But would not any other decent European coach have taken similar steps? It is fair to GH to say that - at the very least - you cannot imagine either player - one a European Footballer of the Year, the other arguably the best all-round midfielder on the planet - being better had they played under any other manager in the game. Conversely, they were phenomenal natural talents, and GH was fortunate to have two such players on the books when he took over. (Yes, Gerrard was only in the Academy, but he was earmarked for greatness years earlier; it's not like he discovered him on some local park kicking about with his mates - he was there waiting to be promoted to the first team set-up). So GH deserves a lot of kudos for their standing in the game, but having inherited them, he then failed to buy enough players fit to play alongside them, or get the best out of those he did.

As with Evans, who built a great attacking unit in the mid-90s (before it all went sour), GH's best times came two-three years into his sole tenure. Alex Ferguson appears to remain merely the exception to one rule: all other managers who have won the league, in recent memory, did so before five years in charge. Momentum is crucial in football, and I feel we simply lost ours, and as when it happens in a single football match, it can be hard to get back without drastic intervention. Things slide.

In his initial years, Alex Ferguson never took Manchester United to the heady heights GH took us to 2001 (what a season!), so he never had to experience a serious downturn in fortunes during his first five or six years, just a constant mediocrity that suddenly evolved into increased success in the early 1990s, as their league position gradually improved and they added cups in successive years. Had Ferguson done brilliantly in his first couple of years (say he had achieved his cup successes then, and not in 1990 and 1991), and then it tailed off dramatically, he would almost certainly have lost his job. Similarly, had a large regression taken place in Ferguson's early years after some serious immediate progress, and he somehow did keep his job, Manchester United may never have dominated football in the 1990s. The slow but steady progress from 1990 onwards led to their league success in 1993. We were on a similar course until the end of 2001/02, and then huge cracks appeared. Once things turned for the worse, and stayed that way for two whole seasons, it was always going to be that bit harder to claw back. Momentum was lost.

Are we in a better state now than when GH took over? Undoubtedly. The facilities are much improved, and whereas Evans left a nucleus of top-class but unprofessional players, GH has assembled a slightly larger nucleus of top-class - including two world-class (three, with Sami) - players, all of whom are dedicated and professional, and some hugely promising young players.

So, it is with a heavy heart that I bid GH farewell, and thank him for the great times, while hoping that his good work leaves an enduring legacy, and leads to more great times in the future. Now he has gone, and we no need to worry over our future under him, he can be remembered with only great fondness by Liverpool fans.

The Replacement Candidates

Jose Mourinho and Rafael Benitez

Both of these men are clearly very good - possibly great - managers, but I have to say I don't know an awful lot about either, beyond what's been written of late (and that includes Mourinho coaching his side with very defensive attitudes). Both have only become successful in the last two or three years.

Benitez, at 44, is a good age - not too young, not too old; experienced, but with fresh ideas. His UEFA Cup win was good, but two Spanish titles in the last three seasons speak volumes. Does he speak English? Reports differ.

What worries me is that they would be coming from a "Latin" style of football, and it could be a complete culture shock; they won't have teams like the old Wimbledon to deal with, but the pace of the game is frenetic over here. I will never forget being present to see Valencia walk all over us at Anfield, and I believe Michael Owen rates them the best club side he has faced. As well as passing the ball with pace and elan, they also ran and closed down like the most feverish English side. So maybe his abilities will translate.

It might be better to find a coach from a "colder" country, such as France (although no names spring to mind), Holland (Gus Hiddink) or Germany (Ottmar Hitzfeld, winner of the European Cup with two different German sides). One who speaks English is a must; we don't want to repeat the fiasco of Claudio Ranieri's first year here.

Claudio Ranieri

Ranieri had never finished higher than fourth before in all his years in management. Before he took over at Chelsea they were towards the top of the table and had won several cups - much like Liverpool a couple of seasons back. But they have won nothing since. Despite £120m, I didn't see the kind of improvement that money might have brought about; he did well in some respects to gell a team so quickly, and maybe having a shed-load of players shipped in en mass merely made his task all the more confusing, but he never seemed sure of his best side; I'm sure GH could have done equally well had he spent £120m last summer, when we were neck-and-neck with Chelsea. Their playing style has also been criticised as defensive and boring, in the Italian mould. Personally, the tinkering would drive me mad. Arsene Wenger has proved that you need a settled side to do well; resting the odd player is one thing, an entire side from week to week another. A likable, dignified man, but not one of my choices, although he does have the benefits of speaking (a highly amusing form of) English, and experience of this country and the peculiar style of our game.

Alan Curbishley

A good young manager - but no experience of playing for a big club, let alone managing one. And no experience of European or international football. Remains to be seen if he is capable of doing more than merely exceeding limited expectations at a well-run but fair-to-middling club.

I suspect he could do a very good job at Liverpool - but a great one? I have my doubts. It's the same with Steve McLaren and Gordon Strachan; I'm sure both could be effective, but now is the time to strive for a little bit more than that.

Martin O'Neill

O'Neill I like for a lot of reasons, dislike for others. There's something about his personality that irritates me, but perhaps it was because his Leicester teams tended to have just beaten us when I'd see him interviewed on TV. I'm not sure he's Anfield material (I don't see the board liking him) but I wouldn't be worried if he was appointed. His style of play is often criticised, but I have seen Celtic play some good passing football (but with the option of the long ball or crosses to a target man) and I don't believe he sticks rigidly to 3-5-2, as often cited (I'm sure he knows you can't win the league in England with such a system). With the exception of Henrik Larsson, he has never worked with players anywhere near as good as those at Liverpool, so I don't agree that he'd use his Leicester (or even Celtic) tactics if he was managing at Anfield. At Leicester, it was a case of needs must, with a ragtag mob he'd assembled for peanuts. He is an extremely clever motivator, and maybe some fresh motivational techniques will work wonders for those at Liverpool who need them. He takes no nonsense and doesn't suffer fools. He gets the best out of the talent at his disposal.

He worked wonders at Wycombe, seeing them promoted to the football league, and then not only got Leicester promoted, but they finished in the top ten four years running; which is at least comparable to a team like Liverpool finishing in the  automatic Champions League positions every season. Perhaps his most remarkable feat was winning two domestic cup trophies with Leicester; once can be a lucky run, but twice? At Celtic his side have broken all sorts of records. He also won a league title and two European Cups at Forest as a player, so he can demand respect on the training pitch.

What I like most is that he was successful as the 'underdog' at Leicester, and then in Scotland succeeded as the 'clear favourite'. Celtic tend to beat the teams they should be beating; that is not often enough the case at Liverpool (although poor Premiership sides in England are better than poor sides in Scotland). In front of 60,000 fans expecting and demanding victory, they nearly always deliver. (So maybe he can help our players cope with the pressure of expectant fans at Anfield?).

I have read that he has only achieved what is expected in Scotland; but I feel he has exceeded those expectations (if expectations are a 50-50 split of trophies with Rangers, then he has exceeded that, clearly, and since when, beyond the early 1980s, was getting to a European final a realistic target for a Scottish team?). The Scottish league is obviously not competitive, and that's an argument rightly used against him. But that just makes reaching a European final all the more remarkable (with a collection of cheap Premiership rejects), as do their showings in both the Champions League and this year's UEFA Cup, where they still managed to get further than Liverpool. He knows the English game, and has shown he knows Europe too.

When he took over at Celtic, they were behind Rangers and a bit of a shambles. If his brief was merely to finish above Rangers (do that, and you win the league), then he has done three times out of four (if my memory serves). If GH's was to finish above Man U, he's done it once in five years; if it was to finish above Arsenal, he didn't do that at all. I also seem to recall that Rangers have spent a lot more money than Celtic during that time; I may be wrong, but that's the impression I get. So O'Neill has a lot going for him. While I share some reservations, I don't know why people are so passionately against him. I imagine that with Larsson retiring he may think it's time for a new challenge, and that might be the task of finding a way to create a similar amount of chances for Michael Owen and Djibril Cisse.

Whoever we opt for, chances are he'll have money to spend, and if he can do that wisely, and get us playing with a little more cohesion, we can at least make dramatic strides, and then see where that leaves us.

© Paul Tomkins 2004

 
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Superb analysis of GH ... and a good "case for O'Neill! ... Now Parry and Moores are aware of your opinion, Paul, we'll stand back and watch them act on your advice  ;)

Perhaps you should also advise them of your opinion on some the other frames now in the frame (at the bookies ...) it could at least be amusing : Steve Bruce, Sam Allardyce, and Phil Thompson  :o

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Well, Bob...

Steve Bruce is another Englishman who's won nothing and merely done well at a club with no expectations and a reasonable amount of financial backing (like McLaren, far more than O'Neill had at Leicester). Ex-Manc, so no!

Sam Allardyce has also won nowt, but I love the way this ex-clod-hopping centre half is more "continental" in his approach than even the continentals! He uses all sorts of forward-thinking methods and space-age approaches, and has proven he can handle big egos and make them work for the team. I like him, but I'm not sure he's for us.

As for Phil Thompson, I'd like to see him step down and let Sammy Lee, who seems far more respected within the game (and whose motivational techniques seem very positive, and not based merely on shouting!), take on the role of assistant. Thommo did well in GH's absence, but the team were playing for their boss who was in a critical condition, and hugely motivated by those sad events, and as soon as the players could no longer "do it for the boss", Thommo ran out of ideas. He handled himself well throughout, but I'm not sure he'd be the same if he was in proper sole charge (he was merely following through GH's plans). I love his passion for LFC, but I'm not sure he always uses his head.

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A very good if slightly depressing read.

Give Big Sam a chance! It won't happen, but I'd like to see it.

If the bookies are right Benitez is definitely the man!
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Excellent piece.

Can't help thinking we've blundered in sacking Ged (which is what it is no matter how you dress it up) Having Allardyce/Curbishly.. even Strachan for fucks sake, bandied about is thoroughly depressing me.

Agree with Bobs comment about the ONeill appraisal. For me it should be ONeill or Maurinho. Oh god I need to lie down.

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Of those you mentioned only Hitzfeld has anywhere near the pedigree you'd like in a manager taking over. If we want the longer term patient approach (something I don't think we'll get any more) then Benitez/Mourinho would be perfect.

Can't get any of them, guess we're stuck with O'Neill....christ, what a depressing thought.

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Paul, make sure to stick around this time. You've been back for a few days and already things are looking a lot brighter. You haven't lost your writing touch either.

As always, I find myself agreeing with your analysis. The experience, the discipline, the young team that remained young, the style of play, the team... it's all there. Have experienced the same thing with opponents ready for the retirement home myself. Quite embarrassing it was.

What worried me about GH's team, right from the early days, was that we couldn't play any type of football. Champions can shot a side to pieces if they have to and they can put 10 men behind the ball if that's what they need. We had our way and if it wasn't enough, we'd lose. Our way was also "destructive", as in we didn't really want the ball. We tried to prevent our opponents from doing their stuff. We surrendered the initiative by default. It's small team tactics. Champions don't act like that. Early on, I thought things would improve. First step one, then step two. But looking back, I think we had the wrong foundations all along. We were only going to get so far.

The new manager is always going to be a bit of a gamble. Personally I like Mourinho. The main reason is Porto's approach. They believe in what they do and they want the ball. The way they played defensive football, by keeping possession away at La Coruna, impressed me a lot. That's something to build on. The same thing impressed me when I saw Hiddink's Korea in the World Cup. It's a constructive foundation. Maybe it won't be enough with either man at LFC, but that's the way I want us to go. A constructive game plan is what we need.

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Excellent assesment. Although I would prefer a British manager, it looks like we may be forced into another Foreign manager or an unproven manager (on the european stage)
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Paul, make sure to stick around this time. You've been back for a few days and already things are looking a lot brighter. You haven't lost your writing touch either.



I'll do my best! Not sure I have a lot left to say at the moment!  ;)

It seems to me that there are a load of *promising* managers in the frame, and very few who have no drawbacks. As mentioned, Hitzfeld is the one with the best credentials. As for who I'd choose if I had to... I have no idea whatsoever! Or rather, I have too many ideas, and keep changing my mind - I need some sort of alternate reality (such six parallel universes) in which I could test out all the options over the coming seasons, and then return to this reality with the solution!

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I enjoyed reading that and I agree with your analysis

Particularly, the point about not having enough experience in the side.  The Litmanen issue has been done to death, but as you say Bergkamp has given so much to Arsenal.  Even if these older pros only play 20 games in a season and make appearances from the bench they can make a huge difference

It links into what you say about our players struggling to keep the ball.  With a Bergkamp or Litmanen in the side it is far easier - they are technically brilliant players who always seem to make time for both themselves and their teammates

Litmanen always (IMO) held he ball up better than Heskey, because he was so much better technically (his first touch and general awareness)

Babbel, McCallister (and also Fowler) were the difference between us finishing 3rd and winning the cups in the treble season and not finishing with anything at all IMO.  Heskey, despite having a good season, faded badly, and it's always useful to note that he rarely scored in big matches or against the bigger teams

The thing with Heskey is also an example of GH sticking by players who didn't warrant the faith he kept in them.  Since leaving Heskey has complained about not being player in his best position, it would be more to the point if he was more humble about letting GH and LFC down

I hope for GH that Le Tallec, Pongolle, Cisse and Medjani become great players for LFC; so that GH can feel proud as he rightly does about Steven Gerrard

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An excellent and very easy read. Thanks.

(although I disagree that Morgan had anything to do with Houllier's departure. Given that the board won't let him invest any more money in the club, I doubt very much whether his public or private criticism of GH carries any weight wit hthe Chairman and Chief Exec).

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Cheers, Millsee  :)


(although I disagree that Morgan had anything to do with Houllier's departure. Given that the board won't let him invest any more money in the club, I doubt very much whether his public or private criticism of GH carries any weight wit hthe Chairman and Chief Exec).


No, not in that sense, at least.

But it led to polls in the local papers, and it vocalised an outpouring against GH. The board may have wanted to keep him, but the vitriol against GH from some factions intensified after Morgan's comments. So it was an indirect result of Morgan's interference; I just felt that until then, GH was 60:40 to be kept on. The fans' support for Morgan (initially at least, before the details were clear, and 87% were in favour of his proposal) and Morgan's criticism of GH will been linked together by the board. The board needed to appease fans - otherwise rejecting Morgan may have seemed merely pigheaded.

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A great piece and one I would agree with one hundred per cent.I also am sad to see GH go because in my opinion this man restored the great name of Liverpool again after the terrible early years in the nineties,this man give the club back it's dignity and pride .We as Liverpool fans have a lot to thank GH for and I for one hope this is not the last time he is seen at Anfield,good luck Gerard.
 Yes without doubt we needed a change but how  we change will depend what road we take when we reach that junction because as I said yesterday in my Liverpool At The Crossroads post  these are crucial times for LFC and I hope in my heart that the men in charge in the boardroom,David Moores,Rick Parry,Les Wheatley,Keith Clayton,Terry Smith,Noel White,John Cresswell and Jules Burns lead us down the right road. If these men can get the right team in to manage our club then I have no doubt we will be great again because at LFC we have the makings of a great team and it only needs these players to be led by the right back up team and we can then say we are on our way.
I have heard all sorts of names being tossed about for the managers job at Liverpool and I have been told weeks ago that Benetez was to get the job,yes he is a good manager but I think that Liverpool should move heaven and earth to get Martin O' Neill into the managers seat at Anfield because right here on our doorstep sits in my opinion the man who is going to be in years to come talked about as one of the games greatest managers.I have yet to hear one player who has not said he did not improve under MON,I have yet to hear one player who has not said he is a tactical genius and I have yet to hear one player say a bad word about him because he has the one thing every team and club require and that is respect.Martin O'Neill has been a success everywhere he has been as a manager and has always left his former clubs in a better position than what they where in when he arrived.Gerry Armstrong who played with Martin and is now one of the most respected commentators on the game today says that in all his travels throughout europe in the last five years there is not another manager to match MON,yes this guy was a winner when he was a player and now he is a winner as a manager,he is young,he knows the game inside out and in my opinion he is the man to lead Liverpool Football Club back to the glory days,go get him.

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But it led to polls in the local papers, and it vocalised an outpouring against GH. The board may have wanted to keep him, but the vitriol against GH from some factions intensified after Morgan's comments. So it was an indirect result of Morgan's interference; I just felt that until then, GH was 60:40 to be kept on. The fans' support for Morgan (initially at least, before the details were clear, and 87% were in favour of his proposal) and Morgan's criticism of GH will been linked together by the board. The board needed to appease fans - otherwise rejecting Morgan may have seemed merely pigheaded.

I think the way the board publically dismissed Morgan's bid was somehow arrogant. Don't get me wrong, I was pleased they rejected it but I felt that with all the talk today of dignity, that to slam the proverbial door in a board member's face like that was humiliating for him.

I see what you mean by the recent outpourings against Gerard. He said in the press conference that he had made his decision (*more on that) partly due to the excessive pressure surrounding him and the board, which he considers would have affected the pliers for next season. And in that respect, you are correct.

The club and manager have parted company, and there were mutual pats-on-the-back from all concerned. I wonder whether it was indeed mutual, or whether they told him his time was up. No-one from the media has used the word "sacked" and that surprises me.

Now, care to explain your thoughts on Dioufy out drinking when he is a teetotal muslim?  ;)

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A very good read Paul! I read some of your articles a few years ago and it saddened me when you announced your withdraval.


I hope that you stay this time around because this sort of quality articles are always needed!

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Nice one Paul T.

Just fer the record, I think GuinnessHead is dead right.

I live up in Scotland, and what's right about MON is the spirit he creates in his team.

Passion, spirit, competitiveness, the will to win, outspoken-ness, loyalty, defeat is unnacceptable.

All this comes to mind having observed the evolution of Celtic under O'Neil.

A lot of people seem to be looking for a manager who's achieved at the top level in the premiership.

Well, I fer one don't want Taggart, and i don't think Wenger's available, we've just sacked Houllier, and KingKenny's not really an option.

I want to feel the passion that MON will bring back to Anfield.

I want to see him sparring with Ferguson.

I want to see him jump up and down like a maddie on OUR touchline when, having won the premiership, he finnally gets his mits on the CL trophy.

He's very ambitious, talented and passionate.

Everything we are at Anfield.

Come on yous - lets get behind a manager who will bring back the glory days in every sense, rather than prostituting ourselves to a european manager who, yes, is talented and successsful, but does not have the other qualities that will make our team special again.

That's no sideswipe at GH there - now I'm just looking to the future.

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The club and manager have parted company, and there were mutual pats-on-the-back from all concerned. I wonder whether it was indeed mutual, or whether they told him his time was up. No-one from the media has used the word "sacked" and that surprises me.

Now, care to explain your thoughts on Dioufy out drinking when he is a teetotal muslim?  ;)


Having read the full transcript on the official site, GH makes it clear he wanted to stay, but the board felt otherwise. So he was sacked; the word was never mentioned, but it was stated in other ways. GH did seem to understand the position the board were put in by Morgan, and indeed just fan-power in general, and so he reluctantly accepted the board's decision, hence the mutual understanding. I hope GH is made to realise that he will always have a place in (most of) our hearts, even if we feel it was time for the divorce.

As for Diouf, I have no idea! But then for most of the time on the pitch, he has no idea either...  ;)

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As for Diouf, I have no idea! But then for most of the time on the pitch, he has no idea either...  ;)

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Nice one Paul T.

Just fer the record, I think GuinnessHead is dead right.

I live up in Scotland, and what's right about MON is the spirit he creates in his team.


In some ways O'Neill is my favourite (the passion, the understanding of English football); in others I want Hitzfeld for his amazing achievements; then I think of the football Valencia play, and Benitez is the man for me! I think they are my three favourite candidates, and I'd settle for any of them. It's always dangerous publicly praising O'Neill, as it opens a whole can of worms, but I guess times would never be dull at Liverpool with him in charge! I just have this feeling that he could do amazing things with the talent he would inherit, but I'll accept that plenty of people see things very differently.

Interesting times!


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Top, top-class article. Much appreciated.
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Interesting times!



Heh - the old Chinese curse eh?

Bring it on!  ;)
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Cheers for all the nice comments - always nice to know when people appreciate what you say, even if they don't agree with it all...

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It's a good piece. You should put it on other forums, it needs a wider audience IMHO.

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Thanks for your post Paul ... it has restored my faith, after some of the mindless drivel I've heard lately.

I have a lump in my throat as I write this - I've been a staunch supporter of Gerard, despite his mistakes, and it pains me to see him dismissed [however dignified it may have been]. I do, however, bow to the concensus the Gerard has taken us as far as he can - a point made so well in your writing - and reluctantly accept that the time has come for a change.

However, it seems to me that media frenzy has forced the issue, and vilified a decent man!

Much has been made of Gerard's post-match excuses - I prefer to put those down to loyalty to his players - but I've not heard too many people blaming those players who have let us all down so badly [this season in particular].

I hope that whoever the next manager is will be able to build on the excellent foundations laid by Gerard Houllier and take the club into a position to challenge for the league title.

I think we all owe a lot to Gerard and should all wish him all the best in the future. I know I do!
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Living on the West Coast of Canada I woke up at 3:00 a.m. and checked the internet to see that the press conference had been called for high noon (4:00 a.m.)  Wasn't easy to get back to sleep.  I feel sick about what has happened, not so much because I thought the team was doing nicely, thank you (even at 6:00 a.m. on a Sunday you can tell how bad they were playing against Portsmouth, for instance), but because I don't think the Board knows what comes next.  What they call a knee-jerk reaction here.  Your article has cheered me up because your analysis seems so right, and you've persuaded me that O'Neill is the guy.  I think GH has an excellent group of players, but he couldn't get that extra something out of them, whether it is belief in themselves, or simply fear that if they don't get their fingers out they'll be in the reserves forever.  I think we owe GH so much for what he has done for the club, and I am sorry that he has had to leave.  Keep publishing the excellent pieces, Paul.

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"keep the faith. keep supporting the team and the club. thats all i want to say. this is a fantastic club that you support."

- Ged, 24 May 2004

I think at the end of the day we all acknowledge that GH has taken us forward, and that he has done this club a great service, but also that he had taken us as far as he could. It was good while it lasted, it really was, but its time for us to move up a notch. we will never get another foreign manager with as much love for the club, and understanding of what we are all about, as GH. he was a gem and it is good to see him bow out with such dignity, and also as the manager who lead his team to the CL spot, just as he said he would.

Rick Parry was right in refusing to discuss the issue of his successor yesterday. it is a time to pay tribute to GH.

all the same, a new chapter has begun. the appointment of a new manager is always an exciting, if tense, period. lets give the new man our full backing.
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Despite serious doubts about him still being the right man for the job, and while thinking the time was probably right for a change, I am still very saddened by Gerard Houllier's departure.

Idolised by all Liverpool fans three years ago, it seems a shame that it has come to an end like this. Having touched upon some of the reasons behind the headlines proclaiming GH's dismissal last week, I thought I'd look more closely at where things went wrong, the doubts many had about his ability to take us any further, and why rumours about him leaving - which seemed a little fanciful at the time - have turned out to be true.  Then I will cast my eye to how we replace him. The men being touted are mostly English managers unproven in Europe, or European managers unproven in England, so finding a replacement may not be the easiest of choices for the board.
 
As mentioned in most tributes, GH is exceptional at laying the foundations - that was proved with France. He is very adept at instilling young men with the correct attitudes, and helping them to achieve their best levels of play as individuals. I'm not so sure he is the most skilled at forming a team that is balanced in all areas of the game, in the way Arsene Wenger has done so admirably at Arsenal, and that is where he seemed to fail. Personally, I think GH could have improved on the last two seasons, but I didn't see him taking us to the heights most fans demand, or perhaps even getting close (a good stab at the title is all I want at this point in time). But I do see someone else working wonders with the majority of the squad he leaves behind, and judging by his comments in the recent past, that is something Gerard will be equally proud of; and should that day come, I do hope he gets the credit for all the good things he left in place upon his departure.

In 1998, at the time of his arrival, GH had some positive qualities that may be lacking in anyone else we may now appoint from the continent: he spoke English upon arrival, he followed English football with avid interest, and he stood on the Kop as a young man living and teaching in the city of Liverpool (this last point being impossible for any other foreign manager to match up to).

He also had one advantage a new man won't: a year as manager that he has struck from the record. It was unfair of Steve Morgan (whose public criticism led to the board making this decision) to include the ill-fated season of joint managership with Roy Evans in Houllier's "five year plan" - as GH cannot be blamed for the confusion such a foolish arrangement caused, and he arrived without time to recommend new signings (although he did agree to Evans signing Vegard Heggem). Having said that, it did allow GH a year at the club, to thoroughly assess the players, before starting out on wholesale changes in the summer of 1999, and 2004 was the end of that five year plan, if his quotes were meant in such a manner. A new manager won't have the luxury of a year to make assessments; the more forgiving (or perhaps just 'fair') among us will not expect instant dividends from a new man (but still hope for the improvement you get through new, fresh ideas, and from players trying to impress a new manager), but the club needs to appoint someone reasonably soon; while he won't be able to assess the players in Houllier's squad (and at the Academy) with the exception of those at Euro 2004, he will need the summer in charge to speak to people still at the club (hopefully Sammy Lee, who should be the assistant manager - the English link - to any foreign coach), and go away to work out who to bring in before the transfer deadline.

It was GH's natural caution that worried me most; champions tend to be brave - not foolishly gung-ho, but positive and brave. (Allegedly it's who fortune favours). An example in the Boro game recently was indicative of the problem of recent years. After the game, GH said we weren't going to chase a third goal (even though goal difference could still have been an issue) for fear of throwing the 2-0 lead away. He said such an approach had cost us dear in the past. It may have done (Man City on the penultimate game of 2002/03 springs to mind), but I think that in the past we let ourselves down more by being too negative when 1-0 up (especially at home) than we have thrown away leads with irresponsible play.

The main worry was the way we finished the Boro game. The best teams kill the opposition off, either by scoring more goals, or by keeping the ball. They do not hit and hoof and surrender possession lightly; after 60 minutes of some beautiful passages of pass-and-move, we suddenly reverted to Wimbledon circa 1986. All composure eeked from our play, and we gifted Boro cheap possesion constantly. Thankfully, we were up against a team with nothing to play for, so they weren't too bothered about taking us up on our generous offer of the ball every ten seconds. Even allowing for nerves and pressure, and while they may end games poorly, you could never imagine a team under Wenger or Ferguson ending a game by not at least trying to pass the ball along the ground.

From my own playing days as a semi-pro, one game sticks out in my mind - it taught me a  valuable lesson in football, and I often thought of it when watching Houllier's Liverpool (especially in the last two years), as it sums up our weaknesses. I was part of a young, fit side, who couldn't believe their luck when watching the opposition warming up before one cup game. We thought we were facing Dad's Army (not sure if overseas readers will get that reference, mind!). They were balding, or with grey hair; a couple had pot-bellies. One guy had a knee-brace so sturdy and mechanical that you imagined his lower leg would simply fall off if it were removed. Turns out they were a collection of aging top semi-pros and decent lower league pros. They ripped us to shreds; it was like playing eleven Jan Molbys, standing about in the sunshine making the ball do the work. Once a couple of goals up (admittedly one of their strikers and a couple of midfielders were younger, and nippy), they simply kept the ball for nearly all of the remainder of the game.

It taught me that experienced players offer something crucial to any side, and that keeping the ball - especially when in the lead - can exhaust even a young, fit opposition, while simultaneously stopping any chance of a comeback. Lately, Liverpool had neither had experience nor the ability to keep the ball (and I don't mean reverting to the pointless over-long possession, going nowhere, that became a fault under Roy Evans).

The lack of natural, intuitive interplay in our passing worried me. The majority of our side had been assembled during Houllier's first two seasons, and yet there appeared to be no real understanding blossoming between the players. Exceptions like at Birmingham in the final away game merely added to the frustration; it could be done, so why not often enough?

I retained a serious concern that GH could not handle older players who are capable of thinking for themselves. As assistant to Michel Platini he was reportedly ridiculed by his boss, and also Jean Tigana - two of the best players of their generation (Platini one of the best ever). A semi-professional ex-teacher was labelled the "Professor"; all his ideas were theoretical, like a general in an army who has never fought as a soldier. Perhaps it made GH acutely aware of his failings as a coach? - how could he tell the players that he knew how it felt to play in big games? He didn't.

So the side stayed young; players approached their mid-to-late-20s and were sold. The average age of our side should have been close to 27/28 at this point in GH's plan, where players younger and older even out to a nice level of all-round experience. In 2000 our average age was very low, at 24, but the future suggested, naturally, that by 2004 it should be around 28, the age nearly all top teams average-out at. It isn't. It is still far too low - probably still only 24. Gerard's obsession with laying foundations, building for the future, will serve us well in the future, but he merely kept postponing success in the present.

It is telling that although not outright successes individually during the Treble season, players like Ziege, Litmanen and Barmby were still canny pros in the prime of their careers, and they all played their parts. Fowler's experience in the big games told, with some crucial goals in his 17, at a time of the season Heskey's goals dried up (Fowler scoring in two separate semi finals, two separate finals, and the 'final' that was Charlton). Babbel was fresh from a top career at Bayern Munich and the Champions League final. Berger came back at the end of the season and set up goals for Mickey in several games. McAllister had the kind of experience that was priceless, and still had the legs to get about the field; he was like having a manager out on the pitch. All of these players were perhaps rightly replaced, for one reason or another; but they were nearly all replaced with the wrong players, or players too young to cope with what was expected of them. Gary Mac was perhaps GH's best bit of business, getting him for free, but he never replaced him.

The same season Arsene Wenger spent £10.5m on Thierry Henry GH paid that exact same amount on Emile Heskey. We got a good - occasionally great - but seriously flawed player for the same price Arsenal purchased the greatest attacking individual talent the Premiership has ever seen: a veritable one-man forward line; creator, winger and goalscorer surpreme, and a hugely driven man. (Danny Mills tried to wind him up, and Henry was like a man possessed - in a good way - and made it his personal mission to make Mills look like the yard-dog he is; and he did. And some...). Wenger signed Henry before Houllier signed Heskey, but I use it merely as an example of why Arsenal are so successful, and we have been so average. Wenger got it right, and Houllier didn't. Of course, GH signed Sami Hyypia for £2.6m and Wenger bought some real duffers, but on average, Wenger got it right more often.

We went for Anelka in 2002, who was promptly traded for a younger, less-experienced player from Senegal; GH perhaps fearing the Frenchman's temperament - and yet in the two years since that decision, Diouf is the one who has been booked countless times, has spat at opposing fans, come back late without explanation from the ANC, and broken club rules on late night drinking (while going a year without scoring). Anelka has been a bit moody, but has mostly scored lots of goals and linked play in that very clever way of his. Again, maybe Anelka would have been the wrong signing - who knows how it would have panned out? What is beyond question is that Diouf has been a major disappointment.

Owen, Gerrard, Heskey and Carragher all had outstanding seasons in 2000/01. Within the framework of experienced players from 25-35, the youngsters were not carrying huge weights on their shoulders. Suddenly there were even more young players surrounding them, and the older ones had mostly moved on. The pressure was all on those young shoulders.

Our only regular outfield elder statesmen are Sami and Didi - both great players, but neither seems capable of saying boo to the proverbial goose. Neither is a leader; both go about their business quietly and effectively. Sami was not a good captain, as he was simply too introverted. As soon as he was relieved of the burden, he rediscoverd his form; Gerrard, meanwhile, grew immensely under the pressure of the armband. A great decision by GH, but one which couldn't alone overturn some bad ones.

It's all very well wanting to start with young players you can indoctrinate with a professional approach, and who will look up to you and respect you in the way older players simply will not. But sometimes you need players capable of thinking for themselves once they cross that white line. GH seemed to like 'yes-men'. His teams were built around discipline, and while that makes sense, there wasn't always that little bit extra you need as well. You don't want egos out of control (self-obsessed prats like Paul Ince, or "Loadsamoney" fools like Kieran Dyer), but you do need 'big personalities'. Once they crossed the line, Souness, Dalglish, McDermott or Hansen didn't need to look to the bench for instructions. They were all of an age and a temperament where they knew what needed to be done, and one or two raw youngsters like Ian Rush and Ronnie Whelan flourished in their company. Perhaps it's unfair to compare the current side to our teams of the past, but unfortunately they remain the yardstick, and if it is impossible for us to ever match them, we have to look like at least coming close from time to time.

Look at Arsenal's current team, and you see a similar amount of character and experience to our early 1980s side running through their squad. Wenger assembled all of that squad, bar Bergkamp. And he did so with a lower average net-spend per year than GH assembled ours. Whoever wins the league each season becomes the other yardstick we are judged against. Alas, this year we weren't even close.

It remained the case that GH's two best players were Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard. He helped both become great players, and better men. Most crucially, he helped eradicate medical flaws in each, through his osteopath in France and specialist in Germany. But would not any other decent European coach have taken similar steps? It is fair to GH to say that - at the very least - you cannot imagine either player - one a European Footballer of the Year, the other arguably the best all-round midfielder on the planet - being better had they played under any other manager in the game. Conversely, they were phenomenal natural talents, and GH was fortunate to have two such players on the books when he took over. (Yes, Gerrard was only in the Academy, but he was earmarked for greatness years earlier; it's not like he discovered him on some local park kicking about with his mates - he was there waiting to be promoted to the first team set-up). So GH deserves a lot of kudos for their standing in the game, but having inherited them, he then failed to buy enough players fit to play alongside them, or get the best out of those he did.

As with Evans, who built a great attacking unit in the mid-90s (before it all went sour), GH's best times came two-three years into his sole tenure. Alex Ferguson appears to remain merely the exception to one rule: all other managers who have won the league, in recent memory, did so before five years in charge. Momentum is crucial in football, and I feel we simply lost ours, and as when it happens in a single football match, it can be hard to get back without drastic intervention. Things slide.

In his initial years, Alex Ferguson never took Manchester United to the heady heights GH took us to 2001 (what a season!), so he never had to experience a serious downturn in fortunes during his first five or six years, just a constant mediocrity that suddenly evolved into increased success in the early 1990s, as their league position gradually improved and they added cups in successive years. Had Ferguson done brilliantly in his first couple of years (say he had achieved his cup successes then, and not in 1990 and 1991), and then it tailed off dramatically, he would almost certainly have lost his job. Similarly, had a large regression taken place in Ferguson's early years after some serious immediate progress, and he somehow did keep his job, Manchester United may never have dominated football in the 1990s. The slow but steady progress from 1990 onwards led to their league success in 1993. We were on a similar course until the end of 2001/02, and then huge cracks appeared. Once things turned for the worse, and stayed that way for two whole seasons, it was always going to be that bit harder to claw back. Momentum was lost.

Are we in a better state now than when GH took over? Undoubtedly. The facilities are much improved, and whereas Evans left a nucleus of top-class but unprofessional players, GH has assembled a slightly larger nucleus of top-class - including two world-class (three, with Sami) - players, all of whom are dedicated and professional, and some hugely promising young players.

So, it is with a heavy heart that I bid GH farewell, and thank him for the great times, while hoping that his good work leaves an enduring legacy, and leads to more great times in the future. Now he has gone, and we no need to worry over our future under him, he can be remembered with only great fondness by Liverpool fans.

The Replacement Candidates

Jose Mourinho and Rafael Benitez

Both of these men are clearly very good - possibly great - managers, but I have to say I don't know an awful lot about either, beyond what's been written of late (and that includes Mourinho coaching his side with very defensive attitudes). Both have only become successful in the last two or three years.

Benitez, at 44, is a good age - not too young, not too old; experienced, but with fresh ideas. His UEFA Cup win was good, but two Spanish titles in the last three seasons speak volumes. Does he speak English? Reports differ.

What worries me is that they would be coming from a "Latin" style of football, and it could be a complete culture shock; they won't have teams like the old Wimbledon to deal with, but the pace of the game is frenetic over here. I will never forget being present to see Valencia walk all over us at Anfield, and I believe Michael Owen rates them the best club side he has faced. As well as passing the ball with pace and elan, they also ran and closed down like the most feverish English side. So maybe his abilities will translate.

It might be better to find a coach from a "colder" country, such as France (although no names spring to mind), Holland (Gus Hiddink) or Germany (Ottmar Hitzfeld, winner of the European Cup with two different German sides). One who speaks English is a must; we don't want to repeat the fiasco of Claudio Ranieri's first year here.

Claudio Ranieri

Ranieri had never finished higher than fourth before in all his years in management. Before he took over at Chelsea they were towards the top of the table and had won several cups - much like Liverpool a couple of seasons back. But they have won nothing since. Despite £120m, I didn't see the kind of improvement that money might have brought about; he did well in some respects to gell a team so quickly, and maybe having a shed-load of players shipped in en mass merely made his task all the more confusing, but he never seemed sure of his best side; I'm sure GH could have done equally well had he spent £120m last summer, when we were neck-and-neck with Chelsea. Their playing style has also been criticised as defensive and boring, in the Italian mould. Personally, the tinkering would drive me mad. Arsene Wenger has proved that you need a settled side to do well; resting the odd player is one thing, an entire side from week to week another. A likable, dignified man, but not one of my choices, although he does have the benefits of speaking (a highly amusing form of) English, and experience of this country and the peculiar style of our game.

Alan Curbishley

A good young manager - but no experience of playing for a big club, let alone managing one. And no experience of European or international football. Remains to be seen if he is capable of doing more than merely exceeding limited expectations at a well-run but fair-to-middling club.

I suspect he could do a very good job at Liverpool - but a great one? I have my doubts. It's the same with Steve McLaren and Gordon Strachan; I'm sure both could be effective, but now is the time to strive for a little bit more than that.

Martin O'Neill

O'Neill I like for a lot of reasons, dislike for others. There's something about his personality that irritates me, but perhaps it was because his Leicester teams tended to have just beaten us when I'd see him interviewed on TV. I'm not sure he's Anfield material (I don't see the board liking him) but I wouldn't be worried if he was appointed. His style of play is often criticised, but I have seen Celtic play some good passing football (but with the option of the long ball or crosses to a target man) and I don't believe he sticks rigidly to 3-5-2, as often cited (I'm sure he knows you can't win the league in England with such a system). With the exception of Henrik Larsson, he has never worked with players anywhere near as good as those at Liverpool, so I don't agree that he'd use his Leicester (or even Celtic) tactics if he was managing at Anfield. At Leicester, it was a case of needs must, with a ragtag mob he'd assembled for peanuts. He is an extremely clever motivator, and maybe some fresh motivational techniques will work wonders for those at Liverpool who need them. He takes no nonsense and doesn't suffer fools. He gets the best out of the talent at his disposal.

He worked wonders at Wycombe, seeing them promoted to the football league, and then not only got Leicester promoted, but they finished in the top ten four years running; which is at least comparable to a team like Liverpool finishing in the  automatic Champions League positions every season. Perhaps his most remarkable feat was winning two domestic cup trophies with Leicester; once can be a lucky run, but twice? At Celtic his side have broken all sorts of records. He also won a league title and two European Cups at Forest as a player, so he can demand respect on the training pitch.

What I like most is that he was successful as the 'underdog' at Leicester, and then in Scotland succeeded as the 'clear favourite'. Celtic tend to beat the teams they should be beating; that is not often enough the case at Liverpool (although poor Premiership sides in England are better than poor sides in Scotland). In front of 60,000 fans expecting and demanding victory, they nearly always deliver. (So maybe he can help our players cope with the pressure of expectant fans at Anfield?).

I have read that he has only achieved what is expected in Scotland; but I feel he has exceeded those expectations (if expectations are a 50-50 split of trophies with Rangers, then he has exceeded that, clearly, and since when, beyond the early 1980s, was getting to a European final a realistic target for a Scottish team?). The Scottish league is obviously not competitive, and that's an argument rightly used against him. But that just makes reaching a European final all the more remarkable (with a collection of cheap Premiership rejects), as do their showings in both the Champions League and this year's UEFA Cup, where they still managed to get further than Liverpool. He knows the English game, and has shown he knows Europe too.

When he took over at Celtic, they were behind Rangers and a bit of a shambles. If his brief was merely to finish above Rangers (do that, and you win the league), then he has done three times out of four (if my memory serves). If GH's was to finish above Man U, he's done it once in five years; if it was to finish above Arsenal, he didn't do that at all. I also seem to recall that Rangers have spent a lot more money than Celtic during that time; I may be wrong, but that's the impression I get. So O'Neill has a lot going for him. While I share some reservations, I don't know why people are so passionately against him. I imagine that with Larsson retiring he may think it's time for a new challenge, and that might be the task of finding a way to create a similar amount of chances for Michael Owen and Djibril Cisse.

Whoever we opt for, chances are he'll have money to spend, and if he can do that wisely, and get us playing with a little more cohesion, we can at least make dramatic strides, and then see where that leaves us.

© Paul Tomkins 2004

 


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Barry - I think you wanted the "reply" button at the bottom, not the "reply with quote" one at the top! It's not 100% clear...

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Another excellent post Paul  :)

MO'N would certainly rate ahead of Curbishley or the other domestic candidates in my book as well for the track record of success in different clubs and very different situations he's had.

And for a rare change there do seem to be a large number of highly rated overseas managers on the market as well, I'm optimistic at this time that we can find someone who can help to push us forward in any case, although any changeover involves an amount of risk.

Interesting summer ahead in so many ways....

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I trust the board to get it right, as there should be some high quality contenders, all of whom will be happy to come to a club with some excellent players, super young prospects, perhaps a large wadge of cash to spend, excellent facilities, and as Alan Hansen says, without the pressure of succeeding a Ferguson or Wenger, where you're almost on a hiding-to-nothing. The facilities at Melwood and the Academy are superb, and a new stadium could be on its way. And this is the legendary Liverpool Football Club we are talking about...

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"Does he speak English?"

Spanish sports paper Marca adds to reports about our interest in him that "habla ingles fluido" - so i'd trust them over most!

Another great piece of writing tho and a pleasure to read!

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Great article.

Can someone tell me why Parry has decided to go on holiday at such a critical time
for the club?

Cheers from the U.S.

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Can someone tell me why Parry has decided to go on holiday at such a critical time
for the club?



I read that - and can't quite believe it! Is it true?

The quicker we appoint someone (the right someone), then the quicker we can look to sign players before they are snapped up by other clubs/their value increases during Euro2004. I guess he can't easily go on holiday during the season, but I'd rather he did than now!

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"Does he speak English?"

Spanish sports paper Marca adds to reports about our interest in him that "habla ingles fluido" - so i'd trust them over most!



Ah, that answers that! "Fluido" - wonder what on earth that means? It's like a totally different language, innit?   ;)

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Paul,

Very good to see you back at your best of forms!  How is your health these days?  Hope you are doing good.  [I remember you writing a long while back, about two years ago,  that you were not very well, if I got it wrong, please forgive me].  I appreciate all you have said and just wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions:

When the board said they wanted someone with a proven track record, does that automatically eliminate people who have never won a Premier or (Foreign) First Division league?

What do you think of ex liverpool players as managers (because of proven track records, Mark Wright, Steve McMahon and Kevin Keegan won't count).  How about John Toshack?  He has won stuff, and would know Liverpool very well....

Thanks.

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Martin O'Neill is the man to bring glory to Anfield, and maybe even Larsson if we're lucky.
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Paul,

Very good to see you back at your best of forms!  How is your health these days?  Hope you are doing good.  [I remember you writing a long while back, about two years ago,  that you were not very well, if I got it wrong, please forgive me].  I appreciate all you have said and just wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions:



Health pretty much as it was - not great, but not terrible, and I get by!

I'm not sure what the board meant by proven track record (did they of say winning things?) - as Parry specifically said he didn't want to rule out English managers; and yet none in the frame have won anything (McLaren the Worthington, excepted, and that is all he has done on a big budget). On those terms, O'Neill remains the only manager from these shores to fit the bill. If it's someone overseas, then I guess having won a league is crucial, as not only will they need to translate their skills to English football, but if they couldn't even win a league in their native land beforehand, that'd be a worry.

As for Toshack, someone else mentioned him to me today. I think his stock has fallen in Spain, and he's now at Murcia I think? He's experienced, but I imagine the board are looking for a much younger man (not sure how he is, mind, but he seems to have been around forever!).

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I dont' think Rick and the board are going to take the vacation. He trick the medias so they can search new manager queitly.
I wonder how come nobody mention David O'learly as a contender. Didn't you see Leed under him a couple of years ago.

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Another nice one, Paul.  I still remembered the article you wrote on GH after his return at the game vs Roma.  His name is stitched to our heart.  While ultimately and sadly it didn't work out as we have hoped for, this not gonna change.

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I wonder how come nobody mention David O'learly as a contender. Didn't you see Leed under him a couple of years ago.


O'Leary?  I rate him and his football (as a coach).   But the circumstances led to his departure from Leeds make me weary.  The question would be on his temperament and tact.   If he mature, scale down his ego and greed, he could become a great manager. 

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Great article.

Can someone tell me why Parry has decided to go on holiday at such a critical time
for the club?

Cheers from the U.S.

It`s not like he is unreachable... Jump on a plane and he is back at Anfield in no time... Besides, im pretty sure they already know who the next manager is. I guess they are waiting for some legal issues to sort themselves out. My money is on Benitez ( pray to the almighty football god that i am right ( for once ;) ))