Author Topic: Roberto Firmino (Read 2010919 times)

Zoomers · « **Reply #840 on:** March 11, 2016, 01:18:18 pm »

Quote from: HeartAndSoul on March 11, 2016, 08:38:54 am

Needs to work on his celebrations, always looking to take his top off and stop at the very last second

Haha you can tell that Klopp instructed him to not take his shirt off because it's a stupid yellow card. It'll take time for him to get rid of that habit

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jepovic · « **Reply #841 on:** March 11, 2016, 01:21:11 pm »

Quote from: JustDan on March 11, 2016, 12:13:58 pm

Came here to post the same thing. I'm wondering if it's actually become part of his celebration to look like he's about to take his top off

Of course it's on purpose. He's so cool and deliberate when scoring, so why would his celebrations be any different?

Notice how he almost never hits the ball above the crossbar, always just enough force on the ball to score (Coutinho, Henderson take note). The sign of a class striker in form. He won't score as many youtube goals as Suarez, but he gets the job done. And he has the same vision and better passes than Suarez.

gray19lfc · « **Reply #842 on:** March 11, 2016, 01:29:14 pm »

Was more excited about Bobby than any of our other summer signings but felt a bit underwhelmed initially. Christ, he's turning into the player we all hoped we'd signed though. Loved that turn between two defenders last night.

Redinho · « **Reply #843 on:** March 11, 2016, 01:35:44 pm »

Quote from: Zoomers on March 11, 2016, 10:56:30 am

Brazilianeze actually.

Twitter.com · « **Reply #844 on:** March 11, 2016, 02:00:38 pm »

via @natefc

newterp · « **Reply #845 on:** March 11, 2016, 02:04:31 pm »

Good stats comparison - but this one of those times that we need to use our eyes as well - Suarez had that extra little bit of magic that we could see from the offset - and what would eventually vault him into a top 5 player in the world.

Firmino has really found his feet and should continue to improve - but I don't think he will reach Suarez heights. How many will?

Johnny B. Goode · « **Reply #846 on:** March 11, 2016, 02:10:17 pm »

I'm actually baffled at how many times people misspell his name. I remember when he first joined some said no one would ever get his name right, but I thought it was a joke. So far I have seen the BBC, The Guardian and even BT spelling his name as either Firminio or Firminho

Shaved Crossbar · « **Reply #847 on:** March 11, 2016, 02:49:23 pm »

Quote from: jepovic on March 11, 2016, 01:21:11 pm

Of course it's on purpose. He's so cool and deliberate when scoring, so why would his celebrations be any different?

Notice how he almost never hits the ball above the crossbar, always just enough force on the ball to score (Coutinho, Henderson take note). The sign of a class striker in form. He won't score as many youtube goals as Suarez, but he gets the job done. And he has the same vision and better passes than Suarez.

lol

wemmick · « **Reply #848 on:** March 11, 2016, 03:12:39 pm »

This lad is class. Phenomenal team player. Seems to embody all the qualities Klopp looks for in a player.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #849 on:** March 11, 2016, 03:12:46 pm »

Quote from: Shaved Crossbar on March 11, 2016, 02:49:23 pm

lol

Yeah there's no way that's true, anyone remember the ball Suarez played to Downing? With the outside of his right from the halfway line right near the sideline straight in to Downing's path without him having to break stride. Downing then smashed the volley off the crossbar, think it was against Fulham maybe.

Magz50 · « **Reply #850 on:** March 11, 2016, 03:33:05 pm »

Made up for the lad! Gonna be one of the best in the league next season!

jepovic · « **Reply #851 on:** March 11, 2016, 03:40:25 pm »

Quote from: Red85 on March 11, 2016, 03:12:46 pm

Yeah there's no way that's true, anyone remember the ball Suarez played to Downing? With the outside of his right from the halfway line right near the sideline straight in to Downing's path without him having to break stride. Downing then smashed the volley off the crossbar, think it was against Fulham maybe.

How many of those did we see from Suarez though? Firmino serves up his team mates game after game, for instance Clyne for the penalty yesterday. He could definitely have done that pass to Downing. Firmino also has better assist stats than Suarez had, even at his pomp in 13/14.

Samie · « **Reply #852 on:** March 11, 2016, 03:45:22 pm »

Up the Bob!

amirani · « **Reply #853 on:** March 11, 2016, 03:57:06 pm »

Starting to dislike this thread from seeing the constant comparison with Suarez.

B0151? · « **Reply #854 on:** March 11, 2016, 03:58:07 pm »

Quote from: amirani on March 11, 2016, 03:57:06 pm

Starting to dislike this thread from seeing the constant comparison with Suarez.

Yeah. So unnecessary IMO.

groove · « **Reply #855 on:** March 11, 2016, 04:05:42 pm »

Why? I think it's quite interesting as long as everyone understands the caveats such as the progression of footballers not necessarily being linear.

The Test · « **Reply #856 on:** March 11, 2016, 04:06:00 pm »

Agreed. Saying anyone has better anything than Suarez is just silly. Suarez is like a human cheat mode.
And his assists were often world class, it was just often unnecessary to play an assist when he could just as easily embarrass an entire defence and score.

B0151? · « **Reply #857 on:** March 11, 2016, 04:20:52 pm »

I just think it's unnecessary.

Suarez playing at 24 under Klopp in this team would have had completely different stats. For a sizeable chunk of the first year and a half of his time here, we were trying to force him into a dysfunctional attack with Andy Carroll.

For me, Firmino's stats are boss enough as they are, and if people are going to compare him to Suarez when he's doing well, they'll be inclined to compare him when he isn't doing so well, which would be rather unfair.

Johnny B. Goode · « **Reply #858 on:** March 11, 2016, 04:23:13 pm »

Any debate on Suarez will be substantially revisionist. The freshest memory we have of Suarez is his superman form from 13/14, and his performances at Barca did nothing to undermine that status.

But in reality we had two and a half seasons with Suarez in a side that was nowhere near top 4. He was excellent in 12/13, true, but still not quite at the 'saying anyone has better anything than Suarez is just silly' level. He made A LOT of mistakes, especially if we go further back. Zenit away, anyone?

13/14 Suarez is another level to anything we see week in week out in the league. True. But if take his whole career with us than we can, indeed, allow for some comparison with Firmino without the jingoism that comes with admitting Suarez is not the best ever.

But, anyway...back to Firmino. He's cool as fuck.

rakey_lfc · « **Reply #859 on:** March 11, 2016, 04:58:27 pm »

Love him, I'm definitely starting to believe the hype around him too!

redprodigal · « **Reply #860 on:** March 11, 2016, 05:03:01 pm »

Upped his game enormously this last month. Now showing his talent far more often in games and is not fading out like he was earlier. The combination of him with Lallana and Coutino is starting to look very exciting and with Sturridge getting more game time the future is looking rosy.
Same again next Thursday please Bob.

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #861 on:** March 11, 2016, 06:25:57 pm »

Quote from: Twitter.com on March 11, 2016, 02:00:38 pm

via @natefc

Awful comparison. They are totally different players with completely different attributes playing different positions.

SpionBob · « **Reply #862 on:** March 11, 2016, 06:33:55 pm »

I always said Firmino would be good for us once he got used to the PL. He's developing nicely.

Homo rubrum · « **Reply #863 on:** March 11, 2016, 06:37:19 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on March 11, 2016, 06:25:57 pm

Awful comparison. They are totally different players with completely different attributes playing different positions.

You just don't want to have to change your name. Firminumber11 has a nice ring to it though.

redmark · « **Reply #864 on:** March 11, 2016, 06:43:06 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on March 11, 2016, 06:25:57 pm

Awful comparison. They are totally different players with completely different attributes playing different positions.

Yeah. Firmino is better

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Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #865 on:** March 11, 2016, 07:17:15 pm »

Quote from: Homo rubrum on March 11, 2016, 06:37:19 pm

You just don't want to have to change your name. Firminumber11 has a nice ring to it though.

trimore · « **Reply #866 on:** March 11, 2016, 07:36:17 pm »

Suarez is a bit of tough comparison who could be this demonic and completely unpredictable (compared to Owen, Torres and even Gerrard when he played further up front who were more linear) number 9 that I don't think Firmino is capable of. To me he is the new Keegan if he wants to be, high energy second striker that can create and poach in equal measure.

Hope he keeps it up for a few years at least.

kaz1983 · « **Reply #867 on:** March 12, 2016, 03:34:27 am »

I never watched a lot of Keegan @ Liverpool but that is the sorta player Firmino will develop into IMO.

"high energy second striker that can create and poach in equal measure"

SquirrelandGman · « **Reply #868 on:** March 12, 2016, 05:15:49 am »

Hes going to be world class for sure. I dont think he can be as good as suarez..but he does remind me of neymar.

ThePoolMan · « **Reply #869 on:** March 12, 2016, 06:16:35 am »

Let's not compare him with Suarez. IMHO Suarez is the most skillful striker to have played for Liverpool in the entire time I have been a supporter. Just recalling that amazing goal against United fairly early on when he turned 180 degrees and bamboozled multiple players to provide a goal on a plate that Kuyt just had to tap in - you could already tell he was the best in the league.

ThePoolMan · « **Reply #870 on:** March 12, 2016, 06:17:36 am »

Firmino is a very intelligent, tenacious and diligent player and that is the foundation of his ability to adapt this quickly.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #871 on:** March 12, 2016, 07:01:15 am »

comparing Suarez to Firmino is useless, they both came from different leagues...

Suarez turned world class and one of best players ever imo... Firmino could become a fantastic player for us, but him having better first season stats doesn´t prove he will be better than Suarez eventually...

xbugawugax · « **Reply #872 on:** March 12, 2016, 07:28:09 am »

Quote from: ThePoolMan on March 12, 2016, 06:17:36 am

Firmino is a very intelligent, tenacious and diligent player and that is the foundation of his ability to adapt this quickly.

that is what i initially noticed before he joined us watching all the youtube highlight videos of his.(which already makes me an high priestess of scouts)

Plays at his pace and always seem to have some extra time to make an extra touch and extra space generated for him to score or create a pass. The last player i could think off that have that skill is our Xabi. Different positions I know but same characteristics. Time stops when they have the ball.

As seen as his goal vs palace and the scums he is pretty ice cold in front of goal too. His first touch for both goals is fantastic and just gets the ball under control no matter how hard the ball is hit at him.

Watching back the man u game, we also seem to have brilliant technicians in the squad as we all know. Lallana, Coutinho and Firmino have that knack of wriggling out of tight spaces under pressure. He was basically everwhere in that game. Some instances he was at right back helping Clyne to overload Depay. Not that it was needed as Depay has been really poor so far but it was good to see him put a defensive shift and not shy out of the dirty side of the game.

Cant wait for the 2nd leg and I don't think we have seen the best of him yet. His intelligence is going to create partnerships all over the pitch. We have already seen him and coutinho destroy man city and Chelsea. The pass for Clyne and his partnership with Lallana help dispatched Man U off in the first leg. Maybe he will click with Sturridge or Origi in the 2nd leg to put us through to the next round.

Notorious IT · « **Reply #873 on:** March 12, 2016, 08:17:22 am »

To think we nearly had Depay over him...

Mutton Geoff · « **Reply #874 on:** March 12, 2016, 08:41:07 am »

Now showing some of the skill he had in the Bundesliga, and there is more to come he isn't the complete prem player yet

Andy · « **Reply #875 on:** March 12, 2016, 10:32:38 am »

Does he have/get a song yet?

SerbianScouser · « **Reply #876 on:** March 12, 2016, 10:38:16 am »

Quote from: ThePoolMan on March 12, 2016, 06:16:35 am

Let's not compare him with Suarez. IMHO Suarez is the most skillful striker to have played for Liverpool in the entire time I have been a supporter.

Firmino showcased at Hoffenheim some of the most outrageous pieces of skill you can see on the football pitch. In that sense he`s not far away from Luis at all.

Pistolero · « **Reply #877 on:** March 12, 2016, 10:47:04 am »

Quote from: BMW on March 12, 2016, 03:34:27 am

I never watched a lot of Keegan @ Liverpool but that is the sorta player Firmino will develop into IMO.

"high energy second striker that can create and poach in equal measure"

absolutely nothing like him.

Rush 82 · « **Reply #878 on:** March 12, 2016, 10:47:05 am »

Roberto is...Roberto...

Looking forward to his development with great anticipation

Garlicbread · « **Reply #879 on:** March 12, 2016, 11:15:09 am »

Quote from: BMW on March 12, 2016, 03:34:27 am

I never watched a lot of Keegan @ Liverpool but that is the sorta player Firmino will develop into IMO.

"high energy second striker that can create and poach in equal measure"

What's "we would luvvvvv it" in portugese?