Topic: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')

[sms1986]

Every fucking time we lose 

I barely ever see him and a few of the other negative lot in the FT threads when we win.

[Charles Foster Kane]

Yeah, no proof of that at all. None of the managers have complained about funds. Absolutely nothing points to FSG refusing a target defender who any of Brendan or Klopp wanted. The former got Lovren to fix us, the latter got Klavan and played poker for VvD. Both failed and here we are.

And again the proof is in the pudding. Or on the pitch.

[Anywhichwayicant]

Right, because you're "enlightened" and know the truth, correct? What if FSG sell and the next owners are no different? What if they're worse like the two cowboys?

No, because it's obvious to anyone that's semi conscious.


That's exactly what FSG are playing off ''At least we're not Hicks and Gillett." Grown men fall for it.

Embarrassing.

Could you imagine Liverpool of the 70s and 80s trying to justify Lovren and Moreno being anywhere near good enough.

[Coolie High]

No, because it's obvious to anyone that's semi conscious.


That's exactly what FSG are playing off ''At least we're not Hicks and Gillett." Grown men fall for it.

Embarrassing.

Could you imagine Liverpool of the 70s and 80s trying to justify Lovren and Moreno being anywhere near good enough.

What the hell are you on about.

[Machae]

I barely ever see him and a few of the other negative lot in the FT threads when we win.

It's the Ying and Yang of RAWK

Besides, it works both ways, when Liverpool win, people come on and say, 'where's the negs now. Then in the Summer window when we were supposed to have Van Dijk and Lemar signed up, a fair few posters having a go at those doubting the hierarchy.

It's a bad day and it'll come good but fuck me, the defensive side of the team needs sorting pronto.

[Anywhichwayicant]

What the hell are you on about.

I've stated it in very basic English. If you can't understand it, there's not much I can do.

[Kop307]

Yeah, no proof of that at all. None of the managers have complained about funds. Absolutely nothing points to FSG refusing a target defender who any of Brendan or Klopp wanted. The former got Lovren to fix us, the latter got Klavan and played poker for VvD. Both failed and here we are.

Dalglish won't talk about the owners, it's not his style. Go watch the interview by Rodgers on goals on Sunday from after he was sacked, regarding transfers. It'll open your eyes.

[Keith Lard]

Tough to watch today. I'm so sick of looking at the same defensive errors week in week out.

I love watching Liverpool but perhaps a bit too much. Ruined my day that. As a whole there's more frustration and disappointment watching this team than enjoyment. I desperately wish that would change.

You sound like a wistful poet

[SMASHerano]

I wonder whether the penny has dropped for Klopp or not.

We are in dire need for quality all over the pitch, a lot of the existing players should be nowhere near a Liverpool jersey. His optimism is good but you just can't win a trophy with some of these terrible players starting every single game for us, they're just not good enough

[Rouge]

I've stated it in very basic English. If you can't understand it, there's not much I can do.

Yes let’s listen to the manager who bought us Lovren in the first place! He always makes excuses for his record with us, when he talks about LFC it’s like listening to Funky Gibbons always blaming all the other defenders for making Lovren look bad - utter bollocks!

[sms1986]

No, because it's obvious to anyone that's semi conscious.


That's exactly what FSG are playing off ''At least we're not Hicks and Gillett." Grown men fall for it.

Embarrassing.

Could you imagine Liverpool of the 70s and 80s trying to justify Lovren and Moreno being anywhere near good enough.

Ok, so name who you would love to be the owners of our club.

[Anywhichwayicant]

Yes let’s listen to the manager who bought us Lovren in the first place! He always makes excuses for his record with us, when he talks about LFC it’s like listening to Funky Gibbons always blaming all the other defenders for making Lovren look bad - utter bollocks!

I didn't sign Lovren.

[Anywhichwayicant]

Ok, so name who you would love to be the owners of our club.

Anyone with a semblance of respect for the club or even the sport.

[NaivetyinBlack]

Dalglish won't talk about the owners, it's not his style. Go watch the interview by Rodgers on goals on Sunday from after he was sacked, regarding transfers. It'll open your eyes.

Are we going to do this again ?

• We didn't sign a defender, despite signing players for other positions. Which means we had money, we just shifted priorities. Not the owners call.
• Multiple statements from Klopp saying we had the money. The money we actually spent on targets like Chamberlain.

Even if there were restrictions on our spending, we did buy players, but didn't reinforce the defense. That is manager / commitee / DoF. Not FSG.

[Rouge]

I didn't sign Lovren.

Surely you’re not Brendan!

[sms1986]

Anyone with a semblance of respect for the club or even the sport.

semblance
ˈsɛmbləns/Submit
noun
the outward appearance or apparent form of something, especially when the reality is different.
"she tried to force her thoughts back into some semblance of order"
synonyms:   appearance, outward appearance, approximation, show, air, guise, pretence, facade, front, veneer
"there remained at least a semblance of discipline"
archaic
resemblance; similarity.
"it bears some semblance to the thing I have in mind"

So basically anyone who can convince you that they care about the club?

[elpistolero7]

Fun Fact:

Mignolet, Lovren, Moreno, Henderson, Milner, Klavan are nowhere near a title winning team.

Screw title winning, Tottenham has bench players better than Henderson, Mignolet and Lovren who start for us week in week out, and we've outspent them like crazy for the last few years.

Depressing

[jckliew]

It's the Ying and Yang of RAWK

Besides, it works both ways, when Liverpool win, people come on and say, 'where's the negs now. Then in the Summer window when we were supposed to have Van Dijk and Lemar signed up, a fair few posters having a go at those doubting the hierarchy.

It's a bad day and it'll come good but fuck me, the defensive side of the team needs sorting pronto.

Many have been saying that since forever. However, seems Klopp and management knows better as they tell you.
Table does not lie. 16 goals conceded 9th position. Worse than last season thus far.

[Charles Foster Kane]

Are we going to do this again ?

• We didn't sign a defender, despite signing players for other positions. Which means we had money, we just shifted priorities. Not the owners call.
• Multiple statements from Klopp saying we had the money. The money we actually spent on targets like Chamberlain.

Even if there were restrictions on our spending, we did buy players, but didn't reinforce the defense. That is manager / commitee / DoF. Not FSG.

[Mutton Geoff]

We lost a game the defence were crap deal with it and move on without all the tin foil conspiracy theories as they say you can’t win them all.

[fewmin' bedwetter]

It definitely not irrelevant. It might be questionable how relevant it is, but it's certainly not irrelevant.

The questionableness of it is irrelevant. What's relevant is the irrelevance of the question in the first place. Sorry, what was the question?

[killer-heels]

Firmino need to pick up form quickly as well. 2 goals in 9 league games and one of those was a penalty. Its not easy against 3 centrebacks but he needs to be carrying more of a threat

[fewmin' bedwetter]

We lost a game the defence were crap deal with it and move on without all the tin foil conspiracy theories as they say you can’t win them all.

Now, that...is a very good post. Exactly right. In fact, if my source is correct, before today they hadn't beaten us since November 2012, five years ago, and since then there had been ten games, of which we'd won seven, including a 5-0 and 3-0 at their place and a 4-0 at our place. It's not as if we've been doing badly against them.

[Something Worse]

I try to be positive with the team, mostly because I have 100%, unwavering faith in Klopp and I think he's the best manager we could possibly have.

This was a shit game, and there's no hope of coaching that back 5 up to a decent level. Judging from Klopp's words I think he's frustrated and I think that's the end of Lovren and probably Mignolet. I think Clyne and Robertson are good enough, but we need to upgrade Lovren and Mignolet in January if possible. Matip is impressive at times, and I certainly wouldn't give up on him yet, but he shouldn't be untouchable if other options become available

Our attack hasn't quite come together the way we expected it to, but the talent is there and it's deep. Now January or the summer must be focused on the back. We should also be asking Klopp what his thoughts are on reworking the coaching staff, Achterberg is still there are our keepers get worse and worse every year.

[eAyeAddio]

Liverpool paying the price for what they didn't do last summer.

Klopp wins "Chickens have come home to roost " award.

[art03]

Moreno had a really good game.

[Fido]

Ok, so name who you would love to be the owners of our club.

I would like LFC to be owned by super rich ambitious people that like to compete and that hate to lose because it hurts their pride.

I know that whenever we lose it hurts my pride and it chews my guts and I want owners that go all out to win the league title.

I get the feeling that our present owners simply want to grow the asset to keep more bums on seats. - They see staying somewhere close to 4th place and a few crappy cup runs as being good being enough for them, therefore, they only invest enough to keep the asset solvent and some of the fans interested.

I like the idea of being owned by members of an Arab Royal Family since they are honourable, rich and very competitive and it would hurt their pride if we did not succeed.

[jckliew]

I guess the jury is still out on Klopp's management skills on the defensive side after 2 years.

[art03]

After viewing Klopp's post match - he is very angry about the this defeat. More so than the others where we shipped a lot of goals. Let's hope we see some concrete actions being taken to try to change things around.

[il_principino]

That just felt like shit. A grey faced Klopp at the end of the game. Like someone bullied him for 90 mins. Terrible. It was his Suarez Palace moment. Utter shame.

The way I see it, no point blaming summer inactivity. What is done is done. The road ahead is a bit hard but not impossible to climb.

I would start with changes:

Start Karius in place of Migs - terrible decisions which have cost us.

- Give Lovren the rest he deserves for all his painkillers will stop. Why is he being played if knackered? - Play Gomez as CB.

- Hendo cant be a DM, he is good looking out for the passes which split defences like he did for the goal. I would give Grujic a chance as a DM and start hendo in place of Can - no real skill for grabbing the game by the balls. absolute squad player. better fucked off to Italy.

- start sturridge and firmino together , as Firmino is no Aubameyang. He needs support. start coutinho center diamond.

- That should do till January.

-- *sigh*

[elpistolero7]

FSG's fault that Klopp thought that no CB in world football was better than Lovren. We had 35 million we spent on AOC right? No CB for 35 million, 120 k a week better than ******* Lovren?

Klopp is great but he is one stubborn fucker. There's a big boom going on right up his arse right now though. We watched other CB's 500 times. Were you high when you did that mate? Jonny Evans looks like Maldini compared to our set of clowns in defense.

How the hell is Henderson anywhere near a Liverpool shirt? Good pro yes. But that's it. Bang average. Stoke City level player. Rather have kept Allen. At least Allen can turn under pressure and not pass it straight to the opposition and run around like a deluded brainless chicken. Not a leader. "Good at pressing"? No. He's good at running. That's it. Harry Winks is a better and more composed CM than him.

Firmino runs around a lot. Great. 2 goals in 9 games. We're trying to win the league?

Is this a fucking charity or a competitive football club?

Get Lovren, Mignolet, Henderson the fuck out of here. Average players who have had hundreds of chances now. And guess what? The teams bidding for them when they're up for sale will be West Brom and Watford. No no, why don't we just sign Phil Jones and make him captain.

Twice the footballer our current captain is. Shambolic. Same old cowards doing the same old shit they've been doing for years.

[Something Worse]

I would like LFC to be owned by super rich ambitious people that like to compete and that hate to lose because it hurts their pride.

I know that whenever we lose it hurts my pride and it chews my guts and I want owners that go all out to win the league title.

I get the feeling that our present owners simply want to grow the asset to keep more bums on seats. - They see staying somewhere close to 4th place and a few crappy cup runs as being good being enough for them, therefore, they only invest enough to keep the asset solvent and some of the fans interested.

I like the idea of being owned by members of an Arab Royal Family since they are honourable, rich and very competitive and it would hurt their pride if we did not succeed.

Sounds like you gotta be a man, you can't let it slide.

[vagabond]

I'm sure everything negative that can be said about that performance has been said already, so let me add something positive. Oxlade roasted his man a number of times, really looking forward to seeing him doing that regularly. Hopefully he has a defense behind him that can actually defend. I don't want to complain, I want to trust Klopp that the defense is as good as he thinks it is, but it's hard after days like today.

[red mongoose]

I'm just sick of the site of the two CB's we have at the moment.

You are not remotely alone in this. If eyes could puke, we'd all be drowning.

[Endoe]

If losing Coutinho means Klopp gets funds to buy a Out and out striker as good as a peak Sturridge a quality GK a natural leader of a CB I think we'd be ahead, Firmino drops behind the striker, replacing Phil and were a much better side.Hopefully that's not needed and the club release the funds to address what have now become glaring problems.Problems that have been there a while, Southampton are not the only club with quality CBs, we pay very high wages compared to the majority of Europe, these problems need fixing.

[red mongoose]

Salah? Keita? Mane?

I appreciate you trying to lower the temperature in here when most of us were running extremely hot, I sincerely do, but I think the pig has enough lipstick on now. It's starting to look like a contestant at a suburban beauty pageant.

[ThePoolMan]

Getting torn apart by City after losing a man down. And now, not even having that excuse and getting thrashed by Spurs of all teams. When will we get our defence in order?

[red mongoose]

The Klopp our brigade are the same c*nts that forced Rafa out of the door. That set us back years but they haven’t learnt their lesson it seems.

Yep, and you'd have to just hope they shut the fuck up as soon as humanly possible.

[stara]

Luckily, past results are no guarantee of future performance.

[Crackerjack Sam]

Getting torn apart by City after losing a man down. And now, not even having that excuse and getting thrashed by Spurs of all teams. When will we get our defence in order?

Has to be sharpish. Its not hard to predict things will get worse.

Huddersfield next, who are riding high after beating the Mancs and are managed by one of the tactical brains of Dortmund during Klopp's tenure there.