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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46160 on: August 12, 2017, 12:10:13 PM »
For the criticism Giroud gets, he's definitely one of the better 2nd/3rd choice strikers in the PL

He is a very good striker

Very entertaining game with two teams failing to defend and attacking well, won by use of the bench. Wenger brought on Ramsey who began creating havoc and switched formation so Shakespere brought on Amatery which nullified things. We were on top but struggled to break through so Shakespeare take off a midfielder for a striker and suddenly space opened up, Ramsey and Giroud both scoring from bench.

Lot to like going forward for Arsenal, Welbeck and Oxlade caused a lot of trouble down the left, Ramsey created a lot of problems with his late when he came on, we looked dangerous when we crossed the ball in or had central midfielders clipping ball in. Lacazette looked dangerous in the box and did well when moved to left, was times where he seemed surprised by the muscle in the Prem and got knocked off ball a bit too easily. Credit to Wenger for being willing to change the system, it is nice having plans b's!

Our problems were obviously defensive, some due to rust, some due to selection (we could have used Gabriel and Chambers so no need to go for two left-wing backs at heart of defence) and some more concerning. A lot of sloppy passes putting us back under pressure, Bellerin and Ozil were awful at shutting down their flank once we were 1-0 up and Leicester's equalizer came from third dangerous cross, our backline and keeper did not handle the crosses well (Cech improved on that in second half), fell asleep at corners.

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« Reply #46161 on: August 12, 2017, 01:08:12 PM »
All this said, and I understand we have 4 first choice CBs out, so did well to pull it out of the bag yesterday - for much of the match there was a gaping hole in the middle of midfield for a ball winning metronome, someone like Verratti who can really feed the players in front.  We are talking about barely being able to get the better of Leicester second choice midfield.  Without that I can't see us getting the results we want this season, the games devolve to an end-to-end goal fest, which is great for neutrals but not for winning trophies.  Amazing game to start the season off with mind you!

Also Hector needs to get his head down in training, been shite for months, dribbling and crossing is atrocious, seems out of position a lot, were I Liverpool in game 3 I'd put Mane on that wing for a lot of joy.

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« Reply #46162 on: August 12, 2017, 01:15:40 PM »
All this said, and I understand we have 4 first choice CBs out, so did well to pull it out of the bag yesterday - for much of the match there was a gaping hole in the middle of midfield for a ball winning metronome, someone like Verratti who can really feed the players in front.  We are talking about barely being able to get the better of Leicester second choice midfield.  Without that I can't see us getting the results we want this season, the games devolve to an end-to-end goal fest, which is great for neutrals but not for winning trophies.  Amazing game to start the season off with mind you!

Also Hector needs to get his head down in training, been shite for months, dribbling and crossing is atrocious, seems out of position a lot, were I Liverpool in game 3 I'd put Mane on that wing for a lot of joy.

I don't think Bellerin enjoys the wing back role, he actually looked a better left back than a right wing back when we changed formation. At the moment our wing backs should be Kolasinac and Ox with bellerin on the bench.
On the midfield, starting Xhaka and El neny against a team that sits deep was never going to work, the game changed when Ramsey came on, his runs destroyed Leicester 's shape and without their defensive shape they can't play the counter attacking game they do so well. We don't have much beyond Xhaka and Ramsey, that is a worry.
The biggest positive was the depth going forward.

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« Reply #46163 on: August 12, 2017, 01:23:03 PM »
I don't think Bellerin enjoys the wing back role, he actually looked a better left back than a right wing back when we changed formation. At the moment our wing backs should be Kolasinac and Ox with bellerin on the bench.
On the midfield, starting Xhaka and El neny against a team that sits deep was never going to work, the game changed when Ramsey came on, his runs destroyed Leicester 's shape and without their defensive shape they can't play the counter attacking game they do so well. We don't have much beyond Xhaka and Ramsey, that is a worry.
The biggest positive was the depth going forward.

Agree, everyone focused on Giroud, but to me it was Ramsey who livened the game up and let the attackers use the space.  100% Bellerin needs to sit the bench, the Ox isn't any worse defensively but light years ahead going forward.

Kola, from pre-season and yesterday's game, looks very impressive indeed - really shows me Gibbs has no future at the club since he seems to now be 4th choice LB.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46164 on: August 12, 2017, 02:47:37 PM »
Let's not let the result overshadow just how dreadful arsenal were tonight.

I mean, really bad.  Leicester really should have put them to the sword more thoroughly.

That's possibly he worst defence I've seen in years in a top 10 side, and I've watched sides with Martin Skrtel in them.
Lacazette certainly didn't impress me hugely, but f have to see him in different types of game before I completely dismiss him.  Thus got damn lucky tonight.. It won't continue unless they improve massively.

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« Reply #46165 on: August 12, 2017, 03:42:17 PM »
You would be mad to sell Giroud. He shouldn't be first choice, but he is as vital player off the bench, the amount of goal he scores in crucial moments is something. Probably the best header of the ball I've seen in a centerforward in a while

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46166 on: August 12, 2017, 04:06:27 PM »
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« Reply #46167 on: August 12, 2017, 04:23:57 PM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46168 on: August 12, 2017, 05:12:59 PM »
You would be mad to sell Giroud. He shouldn't be first choice, but he is as vital player off the bench, the amount of goal he scores in crucial moments is something. Probably the best header of the ball I've seen in a centerforward in a while

The best plan B in the league.
The worst plan A in the league.

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« Reply #46169 on: August 12, 2017, 05:27:31 PM »
The best plan B in the league.
The worst plan A in the league.

That sums it up, now you have Lacazette, so it should help much more. If Giroud is content with playing the part as a bench player

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« Reply #46170 on: August 12, 2017, 05:45:13 PM »
That sums it up, now you have Lacazette, so it should help much more. If Giroud is content with playing the part as a bench player

Yeh he was told to leave, he refused. Refreshing.
He ll be a starter in the europa league/league cup. So will still play a lot.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46171 on: August 13, 2017, 08:15:17 AM »
Yeh he was told to leave, he refused. Refreshing.
He ll be a starter in the europa league/league cup. So will still play a lot.

I think more told he could leave if he wanted

I don't think Bellerin enjoys the wing back role, he actually looked a better left back than a right wing back when we changed formation. At the moment our wing backs should be Kolasinac and Ox with bellerin on the bench.
On the midfield, starting Xhaka and El neny against a team that sits deep was never going to work, the game changed when Ramsey came on, his runs destroyed Leicester 's shape and without their defensive shape they can't play the counter attacking game they do so well. We don't have much beyond Xhaka and Ramsey, that is a worry.
The biggest positive was the depth going forward.

Bellerin and Walcott are the two players to whom the formation change has been a real problem.

I agree with that. I don't think Eleny is a bad player but we have one midfield combo that really works at moment and Ramsey tends to pick up a knock here or there which then puts us in trouble though Coq and Xhaka can work on right team. Ramsey was a game changer, came in and broke the Leicester ranks, forced them to bring on another midfielder to nullify it and when Shakespeare made his disastrous second change, Ramsey ran rampant. 

You would be mad to sell Giroud. He shouldn't be first choice, but he is as vital player off the bench, the amount of goal he scores in crucial moments is something. Probably the best header of the ball I've seen in a centerforward in a while

Delighted he stayed. He makes very good cover, a good plan B, a "we need to go slightly different from start against this defence" and it suits Giroud as he is someone who runs out of steam if starting regularly though it would have been completely understandable if he wanted to leave.  He makes a good focal point, teams know he is a threat in the air, our players know they can play off him.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46172 on: August 13, 2017, 12:24:49 PM »

Our problems were obviously defensive, some due to rust, some due to selection (we could have used Gabriel and Chambers so no need to go for two left-wing backs at heart of defence) and some more concerning.

Agree with what you say, only thing is we couldn't use Gabriel as he is still injured. Chambers seems to be close to leaving so might be why he didn't use him.

Just need to try and scrape through Stoke hopefully with a win, and see what we can do against Liverpool. Then it's international break, transfer window closed, guys lacking fitness and carrying injuries should hopefully all be back and can hopefully really push on then.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46173 on: August 14, 2017, 04:18:56 PM »
Agree with what you say, only thing is we couldn't use Gabriel as he is still injured. Chambers seems to be close to leaving so might be why he didn't use him.

Just need to try and scrape through Stoke hopefully with a win, and see what we can do against Liverpool. Then it's international break, transfer window closed, guys lacking fitness and carrying injuries should hopefully all be back and can hopefully really push on then.

Didn't realize Gabriel was injured and was under the assumption that Chambers is someone Wenger wants to move on but nobody is close to it so thought we could put him in shop window/be more secure at the back in one game.

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« Reply #46174 on: August 14, 2017, 05:17:05 PM »
Hopefully we keep Chambers, he cost 16m and is still in his early 20s, excellent on the ball just hamstrung by lack of pace.  With Mert retiring and Koscielny in to his 30s now, would love to see Chambers and Holding as the CB pairing of the next few years.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46175 on: August 16, 2017, 01:34:49 PM »
I would rather lose Gabirel if we need to sell one of our centrebacks but does feel like the players we might be able to sell are all the ones I want to keep