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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46160 on: August 12, 2017, 12:10:13 PM »
For the criticism Giroud gets, he's definitely one of the better 2nd/3rd choice strikers in the PL

He is a very good striker

Very entertaining game with two teams failing to defend and attacking well, won by use of the bench. Wenger brought on Ramsey who began creating havoc and switched formation so Shakespere brought on Amatery which nullified things. We were on top but struggled to break through so Shakespeare take off a midfielder for a striker and suddenly space opened up, Ramsey and Giroud both scoring from bench.

Lot to like going forward for Arsenal, Welbeck and Oxlade caused a lot of trouble down the left, Ramsey created a lot of problems with his late when he came on, we looked dangerous when we crossed the ball in or had central midfielders clipping ball in. Lacazette looked dangerous in the box and did well when moved to left, was times where he seemed surprised by the muscle in the Prem and got knocked off ball a bit too easily. Credit to Wenger for being willing to change the system, it is nice having plans b's!

Our problems were obviously defensive, some due to rust, some due to selection (we could have used Gabriel and Chambers so no need to go for two left-wing backs at heart of defence) and some more concerning. A lot of sloppy passes putting us back under pressure, Bellerin and Ozil were awful at shutting down their flank once we were 1-0 up and Leicester's equalizer came from third dangerous cross, our backline and keeper did not handle the crosses well (Cech improved on that in second half), fell asleep at corners.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46161 on: August 12, 2017, 01:08:12 PM »
All this said, and I understand we have 4 first choice CBs out, so did well to pull it out of the bag yesterday - for much of the match there was a gaping hole in the middle of midfield for a ball winning metronome, someone like Verratti who can really feed the players in front.  We are talking about barely being able to get the better of Leicester second choice midfield.  Without that I can't see us getting the results we want this season, the games devolve to an end-to-end goal fest, which is great for neutrals but not for winning trophies.  Amazing game to start the season off with mind you!

Also Hector needs to get his head down in training, been shite for months, dribbling and crossing is atrocious, seems out of position a lot, were I Liverpool in game 3 I'd put Mane on that wing for a lot of joy.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46162 on: August 12, 2017, 01:15:40 PM »
All this said, and I understand we have 4 first choice CBs out, so did well to pull it out of the bag yesterday - for much of the match there was a gaping hole in the middle of midfield for a ball winning metronome, someone like Verratti who can really feed the players in front.  We are talking about barely being able to get the better of Leicester second choice midfield.  Without that I can't see us getting the results we want this season, the games devolve to an end-to-end goal fest, which is great for neutrals but not for winning trophies.  Amazing game to start the season off with mind you!

Also Hector needs to get his head down in training, been shite for months, dribbling and crossing is atrocious, seems out of position a lot, were I Liverpool in game 3 I'd put Mane on that wing for a lot of joy.

I don't think Bellerin enjoys the wing back role, he actually looked a better left back than a right wing back when we changed formation. At the moment our wing backs should be Kolasinac and Ox with bellerin on the bench.
On the midfield, starting Xhaka and El neny against a team that sits deep was never going to work, the game changed when Ramsey came on, his runs destroyed Leicester 's shape and without their defensive shape they can't play the counter attacking game they do so well. We don't have much beyond Xhaka and Ramsey, that is a worry.
The biggest positive was the depth going forward.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46163 on: August 12, 2017, 01:23:03 PM »
I don't think Bellerin enjoys the wing back role, he actually looked a better left back than a right wing back when we changed formation. At the moment our wing backs should be Kolasinac and Ox with bellerin on the bench.
On the midfield, starting Xhaka and El neny against a team that sits deep was never going to work, the game changed when Ramsey came on, his runs destroyed Leicester 's shape and without their defensive shape they can't play the counter attacking game they do so well. We don't have much beyond Xhaka and Ramsey, that is a worry.
The biggest positive was the depth going forward.

Agree, everyone focused on Giroud, but to me it was Ramsey who livened the game up and let the attackers use the space.  100% Bellerin needs to sit the bench, the Ox isn't any worse defensively but light years ahead going forward.

Kola, from pre-season and yesterday's game, looks very impressive indeed - really shows me Gibbs has no future at the club since he seems to now be 4th choice LB.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46164 on: August 12, 2017, 02:47:37 PM »
Let's not let the result overshadow just how dreadful arsenal were tonight.

I mean, really bad.  Leicester really should have put them to the sword more thoroughly.

That's possibly he worst defence I've seen in years in a top 10 side, and I've watched sides with Martin Skrtel in them.
Lacazette certainly didn't impress me hugely, but f have to see him in different types of game before I completely dismiss him.  Thus got damn lucky tonight.. It won't continue unless they improve massively.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46165 on: August 12, 2017, 03:42:17 PM »
You would be mad to sell Giroud. He shouldn't be first choice, but he is as vital player off the bench, the amount of goal he scores in crucial moments is something. Probably the best header of the ball I've seen in a centerforward in a while

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46166 on: August 12, 2017, 04:06:27 PM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46167 on: August 12, 2017, 04:23:57 PM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46168 on: August 12, 2017, 05:12:59 PM »
You would be mad to sell Giroud. He shouldn't be first choice, but he is as vital player off the bench, the amount of goal he scores in crucial moments is something. Probably the best header of the ball I've seen in a centerforward in a while

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« Reply #46169 on: August 12, 2017, 05:27:31 PM »
The best plan B in the league.
The worst plan A in the league.

That sums it up, now you have Lacazette, so it should help much more. If Giroud is content with playing the part as a bench player

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46170 on: August 12, 2017, 05:45:13 PM »
That sums it up, now you have Lacazette, so it should help much more. If Giroud is content with playing the part as a bench player

Yeh he was told to leave, he refused. Refreshing.
He ll be a starter in the europa league/league cup. So will still play a lot.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46171 on: August 13, 2017, 08:15:17 AM »
Yeh he was told to leave, he refused. Refreshing.
He ll be a starter in the europa league/league cup. So will still play a lot.

I think more told he could leave if he wanted

I don't think Bellerin enjoys the wing back role, he actually looked a better left back than a right wing back when we changed formation. At the moment our wing backs should be Kolasinac and Ox with bellerin on the bench.
On the midfield, starting Xhaka and El neny against a team that sits deep was never going to work, the game changed when Ramsey came on, his runs destroyed Leicester 's shape and without their defensive shape they can't play the counter attacking game they do so well. We don't have much beyond Xhaka and Ramsey, that is a worry.
The biggest positive was the depth going forward.

Bellerin and Walcott are the two players to whom the formation change has been a real problem.

I agree with that. I don't think Eleny is a bad player but we have one midfield combo that really works at moment and Ramsey tends to pick up a knock here or there which then puts us in trouble though Coq and Xhaka can work on right team. Ramsey was a game changer, came in and broke the Leicester ranks, forced them to bring on another midfielder to nullify it and when Shakespeare made his disastrous second change, Ramsey ran rampant. 

You would be mad to sell Giroud. He shouldn't be first choice, but he is as vital player off the bench, the amount of goal he scores in crucial moments is something. Probably the best header of the ball I've seen in a centerforward in a while

Delighted he stayed. He makes very good cover, a good plan B, a "we need to go slightly different from start against this defence" and it suits Giroud as he is someone who runs out of steam if starting regularly though it would have been completely understandable if he wanted to leave.  He makes a good focal point, teams know he is a threat in the air, our players know they can play off him.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46172 on: August 13, 2017, 12:24:49 PM »

Our problems were obviously defensive, some due to rust, some due to selection (we could have used Gabriel and Chambers so no need to go for two left-wing backs at heart of defence) and some more concerning.

Agree with what you say, only thing is we couldn't use Gabriel as he is still injured. Chambers seems to be close to leaving so might be why he didn't use him.

Just need to try and scrape through Stoke hopefully with a win, and see what we can do against Liverpool. Then it's international break, transfer window closed, guys lacking fitness and carrying injuries should hopefully all be back and can hopefully really push on then.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46173 on: August 14, 2017, 04:18:56 PM »
Agree with what you say, only thing is we couldn't use Gabriel as he is still injured. Chambers seems to be close to leaving so might be why he didn't use him.

Just need to try and scrape through Stoke hopefully with a win, and see what we can do against Liverpool. Then it's international break, transfer window closed, guys lacking fitness and carrying injuries should hopefully all be back and can hopefully really push on then.

Didn't realize Gabriel was injured and was under the assumption that Chambers is someone Wenger wants to move on but nobody is close to it so thought we could put him in shop window/be more secure at the back in one game.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46174 on: August 14, 2017, 05:17:05 PM »
Hopefully we keep Chambers, he cost 16m and is still in his early 20s, excellent on the ball just hamstrung by lack of pace.  With Mert retiring and Koscielny in to his 30s now, would love to see Chambers and Holding as the CB pairing of the next few years.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46175 on: August 16, 2017, 01:34:49 PM »
I would rather lose Gabirel if we need to sell one of our centrebacks but does feel like the players we might be able to sell are all the ones I want to keep

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46176 on: August 19, 2017, 07:30:12 PM »
Another iffy season ahead if they don't pull off a couple of big signings
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46177 on: August 19, 2017, 07:35:16 PM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46178 on: August 19, 2017, 07:35:41 PM »
Same old Arsenal. We've had a fair few games like that in recent times though, so hard to be too critical, and they made enough chances to score on most days. Fair play to Stoke though, did what they needed and defended well.

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« Reply #46179 on: August 19, 2017, 08:39:14 PM »
Should have won that but can't afford too many more. Just hope we can get three points at Anfield now
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46180 on: August 19, 2017, 08:41:25 PM »
They should've had 0 points in 2 matches. I still can't believe how Leicester gave that first match.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46181 on: August 19, 2017, 09:09:48 PM »
Is now time to stoke the wenger out fires......
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46182 on: August 19, 2017, 09:11:54 PM »
wonder how long it will be before the daggers are out? , shit they have never been away have they. They are always going to be a defeat/poor run away from completley imploding as a club.
The fan base is baying for blood, chuck in a last minute sanchez departure and nobody coming in and you have a molotov cocktail on your hands.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46183 on: August 19, 2017, 09:13:46 PM »
I thought Arsenal played very well, and with a little bit of luck they would have won that game 4-1.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46184 on: August 19, 2017, 09:17:24 PM »
I thought Arsenal played very well, and with a little bit of luck they would have won that game 4-1.

With a little bit of luck we would've won the 2014 title also  :P

They lost. Hope they lose many more because given the lack of squad depth we've got the fewer teams doing well the better if we're going to be top four again. I'm not entirely sure we can get 76 points again at the moment, so if 70 would do I'd be delighted.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46185 on: August 19, 2017, 09:31:22 PM »
Season over?  ;)

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« Reply #46186 on: August 19, 2017, 09:50:40 PM »
All their fans talking about how they urgently need to bring some players in all the while AW says in the post-match PC they've got 33 players and need to sell before they can think about buying. Lulz.

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« Reply #46187 on: August 19, 2017, 10:08:11 PM »
All their fans talking about how they urgently need to bring some players in all the while AW says in the post-match PC they've got 33 players and need to sell before they can think about buying. Lulz.
precursor for sanchez  going to bayern or city then?
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46188 on: August 19, 2017, 10:27:25 PM »
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« Reply #46189 on: August 19, 2017, 10:30:34 PM »
They played well and were unfortunate not to come away with something from that game...a couple of clear penalty shouts denied and Lacazette's goal should've stood <insert Lucas behind the curtain gif> - can see him bagging plenty this season though when fully settled..clearly has an eye for a goal.....will be the usual season for Arsenal, ie discontent from the blud/fam brigade culminating in a sturdy finish to the season, a possible cup and possible top 4
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« Reply #46190 on: August 20, 2017, 12:17:22 AM »
It's going to get ugly at the Gooners earlier than usual I reckon.

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« Reply #46191 on: August 20, 2017, 02:14:29 AM »
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« Reply #46192 on: August 20, 2017, 02:23:33 AM »
They played well and were unfortunate not to come away with something from that game...a couple of clear penalty shouts denied and Lacazette's goal should've stood <insert Lucas behind the curtain gif> - can see him bagging plenty this season though when fully settled..clearly has an eye for a goal.....will be the usual season for Arsenal, ie discontent from the blud/fam brigade culminating in a sturdy finish to the season, a possible cup and possible top 4
The goal was just off side.
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« Reply #46193 on: August 20, 2017, 02:45:01 AM »
Ars prob need VVD

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46194 on: August 20, 2017, 08:53:26 AM »
When is Alexis back?

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« Reply #46195 on: August 20, 2017, 09:06:06 AM »
When is Alexis back?

Against us. Of course.
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« Reply #46196 on: August 20, 2017, 09:09:30 AM »
Against us. Of course.

Hopefully he'll be gone by then.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46197 on: August 20, 2017, 09:13:29 AM »
Is there any defender for whom playing 3 at the back is absolutely fundamental? I ask because at the moment all those who played yesterday seemed uncomfortable.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46198 on: August 20, 2017, 09:20:59 AM »
The goal was just off side.
Correct, there's a picture in Guardian showing that he was marginally off. Of course it means Arsenal was unlucky while an offside goal against us last week was simply brushed off under the carpet. 😀
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« Reply #46199 on: August 20, 2017, 09:52:09 AM »
Correct, there's a picture in Guardian showing that he was marginally off.

nah...there's no way that should have been flagged.....unless the linesman is one of the Fantastic Four and has X-ray Fly-vision, he couldn't have seen that tiny freeze frame dependent infraction....in normal play he's level and level means he's onside....and lets have it straight, if that had been us, and it was Mane, or Salah who's equalizer gets chalked off we'd have been going fuckin nuts...and quite rightly so
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